Graycap23 said:

NorthC said:

Hey, ...... If we erased John, Paul, George & Ringo from musical history, then music today would still sound exactly the same! [Edited 2/23/16 16:30pm]

I agree with this part.

This thread is being jacked by trolls who don't like an honest discussion about this subject. I've actually enjoyed seeing other people's opinions and learning a bit from others. Oh well. I guess the Beatles are like Jesus Christ for some people.

This video is for the trolls who are trying to get this thread locked....nice try though. Nobody said that an artist doesn't have a right to be inspired. What we are talking about is impact. Take note of the impact that Fred Astaire obviously had on Michael Jackson...

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

I agree with this part.

This thread is being jacked by trolls who don't like an honest discussion about this subject. I've actually enjoyed seeing other people's opinions and learning a bit from others. Oh well. I guess the Beatles are like Jesus Christ for some people.

It's just sort of strange. Seems that either you LOVE the Beatles or something is wrong with you.

The simple fact is James Brown, Lil Richard and that side of music tree was funking before anyone ever heard of the Beatles. That isn't me talking........that is factual.

Graycap23 said:

James Brown and the music I love was jamming before anyone ever heard of the Beatles.

That is a simple FACT.

A lot of the style of music that is played at Renassaince Faires is pre-home electricity, long before The Beatles and James Brown were even born.

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is being jacked by trolls who don't like an honest discussion about this subject. I've actually enjoyed seeing other people's opinions and learning a bit from others. Oh well. I guess the Beatles are like Jesus Christ for some people.

It's just sort of strange. Seems that either you LOVE the Beatles or something is wrong with you.

The simple fact is James Brown, Lil Richard and that side of music tree was funking before anyone ever heard of the Beatles. That isn't me talking........that is factual.

true ....but how many MORE musicians/singers claim to be more influenced by the beatles than james brown/little richard?

NorthC said:

Hey, can we, just to keep this nonsense from going on any longer, just for this one time, agree that The Beatles were shit and they stole everything from black artists and that the only good album they ever made was Sgt. Pepper? Please, everybody! Just to put this to rest! The answer to the question is, No! Any impact they ever had on music was gone after 1970! It was all about screaming girls anyway! And of course David Bowie was never inspired by them! If we erased John, Paul, George & Ringo from musical history, then music today would still sound exactly the same! Little Richard did all the work! There! Happy now?

free2bfreeda said:

the proof is in the pudding

so no matter what one seems to try to argue about who did what, or who stole from who, no other artist have impacted the music world as heavily as the beatles did.

soookay?

thx rodeo

But The Monkees outsold The Beatles & Rolling Stones in 1966 & 1967.

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is being jacked by trolls who don't like an honest discussion about this subject. I've actually enjoyed seeing other people's opinions and learning a bit from others. Oh well. I guess the Beatles are like Jesus Christ for some people.

It's just sort of strange. Seems that either you LOVE the Beatles or something is wrong with you.

The simple fact is James Brown, Lil Richard and that side of music tree was funking before anyone ever heard of the Beatles. That isn't me talking........that is factual.

Yes, I've noticed that sentiment by many people in this thread. It's really mind boggling to see people either downplay or completely dismiss the predecessors because it doesn't fit the narrative.

luvsexy4all said:

Graycap23 said:

It's just sort of strange. Seems that either you LOVE the Beatles or something is wrong with you.

The simple fact is James Brown, Lil Richard and that side of music tree was funking before anyone ever heard of the Beatles. That isn't me talking........that is factual.

true ....but how many MORE musicians/singers claim to be more influenced by the beatles than james brown/little richard?

You can't be serious! HA! Man, James Brown's music gave birth to FUNK AND HIP HOP....two entire GENRES of music!!!! Nice try though. LOL

When you diss the Beatles you diss God. He made something great and you all are telling him he fucked up. That is a well anyone would gladly gulp from. John Lennon was dogged by the FBI, Prince cannot say that.

MickyDolenz said:

free2bfreeda said:

the proof is in the pudding

so no matter what one seems to try to argue about who did what, or who stole from who, no other artist have impacted the music world as heavily as the beatles did.

soookay?

thx rodeo

But The Monkees outsold The Beatles & Rolling Stones in 1966 & 1967.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

at best

now moving back on topic.

point is imo all the innuendos about how each of us feel about the topic at hand is irrelevant. we each have our own pov about the beatles. i cannot change how you feel about the impact this group had on music, and you cannot change mine.

if i got into the "criticize you about your pov" game, that was not my intention.

i feel you and no matter what, i do not wish to change your opinion of the beatles. hopefully you can understand it's about the respect for "freedom of opinion" on an individual level.

where i am from, where i was raised shaped my view of this world. which is the same for you and everyone participating in ths thread.

i respect your find on the topic as i would like for my find to be respected in turn.

the genius of little richard was the musial template for the beatles in the beginning. then they grabbed the baton from little richard and kept on running with the sound. then they reshaped the sound by adding their own home grown type of creativity to his sound as the moved on musically.

both john lennon and paul mccartney were phenominal lyricist. as a group the beatles created some great musical compositions.

the naysayers should just take a week and really listen to the beatles songs post the early sixties to discover what they added to the world of music. as i have posted, the beatles (john lennon especially) gave tribute to little richard for inspiring their sound as often as he could. imo if john lennon were still alive he'd still be shouting out the greatness of Mr. Richard Penniman, aka: Little Richard.

yes i appreciate the beatles in the world of music. little richard planted the seeds for them, and as time went on for the beatles they watered those (little richard ) seeds with their own style of creativity. it's called fusion.

fusion is what most music is about. every musician is infuenced by his/her predecessors. so my appreciation of the beatles is mine and mine alone.

what i see when i check out the history of music and i come upon the beatles i WILL always say they did in fact really impact music during their hey day in my honest opinion.

plus if you look back at some of my previous post you will see how the beatles helped open more racial harmony between the races. which in turn many other british and american white musicians did at the time.

~

All Together Now: Civil Rights and The Beatles' First American Tour

: http://mentalfloss.com/ar...rican-tour

[Edited 2/23/16 19:50pm]

free2bfreeda said:

MickyDolenz said:

But The Monkees outsold The Beatles & Rolling Stones in 1966 & 1967.

Wow, they did?! Never knew this. I wonder if Betty Ottendorf knows...

SeventeenDayze said:

That's interesting...so perhaps Chuck D was talking shit about Elvis in that song just to fan the flames huh? Nobody is above using gimmicks, catchphrases and off color remarks to appeal to the masses, not even Chuck D

In this video Chuck is asked what music he likes besides hip hop and Elvis is one of the acts he mentions. It's around 1:27

For those of you boasting about Chuck D's "comments" about loving Elvis, here's something else to chew on. Remember the line in this song he said about Elvis??? So, sounds like Chuck D is basically full of shit in one of these videos....

~

American Bandstand. August 08, 1964

listen to interview @ 2:40

yes Little Richard was largely responsible to the impact the beatles had on music. John Lennon voiced this very often.

as with others: http://forums.stevehoffma...tes.73196/

John Lennon - Elvis was bigger than religion in my life. Then this boy at school said that he'd got this record by somebody called Little Richard who was better than Elvis. The new record was Little Richard's "Long Tall Sally." When I heard it, it was so great I couldn't speak.

Paul McCartney - The first song I ever sang in public was "Long Tall Sally." I love his voice and I always wanted to sing like him. When the Beatles were first starting we performed with Richard in Liverpool and Hamburg, and we became close friends. Richard is one of the greatest kings of rock 'n' roll.

Johnny Otis - Little Richard is twice as important as the Beatles and Stones put together.

Smokey Robinson - Little Richard is the beginning of rock 'n' roll.

Keith Richards - The first time we realized we were on the same stage with LITTLE RICHARD in 1963, that seemed like the top of the world for us. That's as big a thrill as I've ever had. The most exciting moment of my life was appearing on the same stage as Little Richard.

Mick Jagger - I had heard so much about the audience reaction that I thought there must be some exaggeration. But it was all true. He drove the whole house into a complete frenzy. There's no single phrase to describe his hold on the audience. I couldn't believe the power of Little Richard on stage. He was amazing. Chuck Berry is my favorite, along with Bo (Diddley), but nobody could beat Little Richard's stage act. Little Richard is the originator and my first idol.

Elvis Presley - Your music has inspired me--you are the greatest (1969).

Jimi Hendrix - I want to do with my guitar what Little Richard does with his voice

i love seeking the truth so as to dispell negativity and confusion.

[Edited 2/24/16 8:04am]

People say all kinds of things in songs. Public Enemy, Ice Cube, and Big Daddy Kane has a song called Burn Hollywood Burn. What is Ice Cube doing now? The interviewer didn't mention Elvis, Chuck D. said that on his own.

purplethunder3121 said:

Wow, they did?! Never knew this. I wonder if Betty Ottendorf knows...

Who is that?

MickyDolenz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Wow, they did?! Never knew this. I wonder if Betty Ottendorf knows...

Who is that?

The biggest Monkees fan I ever knew in my life from when I was a kid.

MickyDolenz said:

People say all kinds of things in songs. Public Enemy, Ice Cube, and Big Daddy Kane has a song called Burn Hollywood Burn. What is Ice Cube doing now? The interviewer didn't mention Elvis, Chuck D. said that on his own.

No matter what evidence I put out there, you find a way to rationalize it. He clearly said "Fuck Elvis"...so either Chuck D was blowing smoke in 1989 or he was blowing smoke in the interview that you posted....

Graycap23 said:

NorthC said:

Hey, ...... If we erased John, Paul, George & Ringo from musical history, then music today would still sound exactly the same! [Edited 2/23/16 16:30pm]

I agree with this part.

Do you listen to rock music ? Or anything besides R&B or Hip Hop ? I'm not trying to be insulting or anything- I'm seriously asking this question because I'm curious.

Graycap23 said:

NorthC said:

Hey, ...... If we erased John, Paul, George & Ringo from musical history, then music today would still sound exactly the same! [Edited 2/23/16 16:30pm]

I agree with this part.

Do you listen to rock music ? Or anything besides R&B or Hip Hop ? I'm not trying to be insulting or anything- I'm seriously asking this question because I'm curious.

SeventeenDayze said:

No matter what evidence I put out there, you find a way to rationalize it. He clearly said "Fuck Elvis"...so either Chuck D was blowing smoke in 1989 or he was blowing smoke in the interview that you posted....

You posted a song I have, so I already knows what it says. This interview was in 2008 long after Fight The Power. I don't think he was talking about Elvis music itself in that song, more the idea that Elvis invented rock n roll when it wasn't so. If Elvis was really a racist, Muhammad Ali surely wouldn't have been friends with him.

SeventeenDayze said:

For those of you boasting about Chuck D's "comments" about loving Elvis, here's something else to chew on. Remember the line in this song he said about Elvis??? So, sounds like Chuck D is basically full of shit in one of these videos....

I brought this up earlier (maybe your forgot)...Chuck D said in Mojo Magazine that he was attacking Elvis as a SOCIAL phenemenom, how he was elevated because of the color of his skin. He then said Elvis was a GREAT ARTIST

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is being jacked by trolls who don't like an honest discussion about this subject. I've actually enjoyed seeing other people's opinions and learning a bit from others. Oh well. I guess the Beatles are like Jesus Christ for some people.

It's just sort of strange. Seems that either you LOVE the Beatles or something is wrong with you.

The simple fact is James Brown, Lil Richard and that side of music tree was funking before anyone ever heard of the Beatles. That isn't me talking........that is factual.

You have a right to your opinion (and if you don't know what John Lennon once said about opinions...go Google it). If you don't like that type of music, that's your right as an American. But listening to you is like asking a hard core country fan to understand or discuss the importance of Louis Armstrong or Miles Davis (or a serious jazz head to see the greatness of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline).

[Edited 2/23/16 21:30pm]

free2bfreeda said:

MickyDolenz said:

But The Monkees outsold The Beatles & Rolling Stones in 1966 & 1967.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

at best

now moving back on topic.

point is imo all the innuendos about how each of us feel about the topic at hand is irrelevant. we each have our own pov about the beatles. i cannot change how you feel about the impact this group had on music, and you cannot change mine.

if i got into the "criticize you about your pov" game, that was not my intention.

i feel you and no matter what, i do not wish to change your opinion of the beatles. hopefully you can understand it's about the respect for "freedom of opinion" on an individual level.

where i am from, where i was raised shaped my view of this world. which is the same for you and everyone participating in ths thread.

i respect your find on the topic as i would like for my find to be respected in turn.

the genius of little richard was the musial template for the beatles in the beginning. then they grabbed the baton from little richard and kept on running with the sound. then they reshaped the sound by adding their own home grown type of creativity to his sound as the moved on musically.

both john lennon and paul mccartney were phenominal lyricist. as a group the beatles created some great musical compositions.

the naysayers should just take a week and really listen to the beatles songs post the early sixties to discover what they added to the world of music. as i have posted, the beatles (john lennon especially) gave tribute to little richard for inspiring their sound as often as he could. imo if john lennon were still alive he'd still be shouting out the greatness of Mr. Richard Penniman, aka: Little Richard.

yes i appreciate the beatles in the world of music. little richard planted the seeds for them, and as time went on for the beatles they watered those (little richard ) seeds with their own style of creativity. it's called fusion.

fusion is what most music is about. every musician is infuenced by his/her predecessors. so my appreciation of the beatles is mine and mine alone.

what i see when i check out the history of music and i come upon the beatles i WILL always say they did in fact really impact music during their hey day in my honest opinion.

plus if you look back at some of my previous post you will see how the beatles helped open more racial harmony between the races. which in turn many other british and american white musicians did at the time.

~

All Together Now: Civil Rights and The Beatles' First American Tour

: http://mentalfloss.com/ar...rican-tour

[Edited 2/23/16 19:50pm]

Actually, the Beatles (along with the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin and numerous British acts) went out of their way to praise the (mainly) Black American artists who came before and influenced them. And in fact, many Black acts who were losing popularity with Black audiences, such as BB King and Muddy Waters and Albert King, gained a whole NEW audience based on the word of mouth from the English stars

SeventeenDayze said:

luvsexy4all said:

true ....but how many MORE musicians/singers claim to be more influenced by the beatles than james brown/little richard?

You can't be serious! HA! Man, James Brown's music gave birth to FUNK AND HIP HOP....two entire GENRES of music!!!! Nice try though. LOL

Why can't James Brown be great AND the Beatles be great as well ? But if they are not your thing, that's fine...no sweat. I personally love 1950s Rock, Classic Rock, Classic R&B, Blues, pre-1980's Country, Funk, Show tunes, and funky jazz (like Jimmy Smith). I have little use for most Heavy Metal (especially post 1980s), post 1990 R&B, modern Country music, esoteric jazz, and probably about 95% of Hip Hop....We all have our own tastes

jjhunsecker said:

Graycap23 said:

It's just sort of strange. Seems that either you LOVE the Beatles or something is wrong with you.

The simple fact is James Brown, Lil Richard and that side of music tree was funking before anyone ever heard of the Beatles. That isn't me talking........that is factual.

You have a right to your opinion (and if you don't know what John Lennon once said about opinions...go Google it). If you don't like that type of music, that's your right as an American. But listening to you is like asking a hard core country fan to understand or discuss the importance of Louis Armstrong or Miles Davis (or a serious jazz head to see the greatness of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline).

Oh come on You're making it seem like Graycap is being one-dimensional here! LOL!

jjhunsecker said:

SeventeenDayze said:

You can't be serious! HA! Man, James Brown's music gave birth to FUNK AND HIP HOP....two entire GENRES of music!!!! Nice try though. LOL

Why can't James Brown be great AND the Beatles be great as well ? But if they are not your thing, that's fine...no sweat. I personally love 1950s Rock, Classic Rock, Classic R&B, Blues, pre-1980's Country, Funk, Show tunes, and funky jazz (like Jimmy Smith). I have little use for most Heavy Metal (especially post 1980s), post 1990 R&B, modern Country music, esoteric jazz, and probably about 95% of Hip Hop....We all have our own tastes

Okay, this thread is long BUT I assumed you read all of my posts. If not, go back and read ALL of my posts and then we'll talk again later. It seems that you missed the part where I said (in at least three posts) that I LIKE the Sgt. Pepper's album. You're also doing what Mickey is doing. Anytime I make a valid point you guys shift the goalpost and then bring up some other point that was not related to the original discussion at hand. Who said at any time it had to be "one or the other" that you liked? No one. Okay, good night. It's bed time

SeventeenDayze said:

Oh come on You're making it seem like Graycap is being one-dimensional here! LOL!

He is. He's been saying the same things about The Beatles & Madonna before this thread was created