Sad.

NWA received induction before her? There's something wrong about that. I can understand Steve Miller, Chicago and Deep Purple.. Cheap Trick not really. Chic was rejected for the 10th time which is incredible.

its a silly ceremony to be featured in some circlejerk museum in Ohio

lezama said:

NWA received induction before her? There's something wrong about that. I can understand Steve Miller, Chicago and Deep Purple.. Cheap Trick not really. Chic was rejected for the 10th time which is incredible.

Not to be a double downer or anything but IMO I think NWA has had the same amount of influence as Janet. Just because their a hip hop band doesn't mean there contributions should be minimized either. Both NWA and Janet came out around the same time (1986/late 1980's). Although Janet released two previous efforts before Control, the Control album is what made her a "super star." I understand the Janet fans frustrations (because Janet is underrated) but I personally think Chaka and Chic were more deserving for induction and yet again they were snubbed.

lezama said:

Where are the Britneys, Beyonces, Rhiannas, J. Los, and even Nickis who have been obviously inspired by Miss Jackson

Low key, I think the Rock Hall wants to future-snub the Britneys, Beyonces, Rihannas, and J.Lo's, so that might weigh in their decision for inducting her. I know Madonna's in there, but... that might have been their one shout-out to that world.

Why?

Believe it or not, this is still having a significant effect on her career:

Cinny said:

Where are the Britneys, Beyonces, Rhiannas, J. Los, and even Nickis who have been obviously inspired by Miss Jackson

Low key, I think the Rock Hall wants to future-snub the Britneys, Beyonces, Rihannas, and J.Lo's, so that might weigh in their decision for inducting her. I know Madonna's in there, but... that might have been their one shout-out to that world.

But none of those acts have done anything as groundbreaking as Rhythm Nation or has made an album as influential as Control. Janet is more than worthy to be inducted. Same with Whitney. Its pretty ridiculous Whitney has not been in either. If Madonna can be inducted don't see why Janet or Whitney can't be.

PurpleMedley122 said:

Why?

Believe it or not, this is still having a significant effect on her career:

Unfornately, I have to agree. She is so underrated. I am glad she has had a successful comeback though.

mjscarousal said:

Cinny said:

Low key, I think the Rock Hall wants to future-snub the Britneys, Beyonces, Rihannas, and J.Lo's, so that might weigh in their decision for inducting her. I know Madonna's in there, but... that might have been their one shout-out to that world.

But none of those acts have done anything as groundbreaking as Rhythm Nation or has made an album as influential as Control. Janet is more than worthy to be inducted. Same with Whitney. Its pretty ridiculous Whitney has not been in either. If Madonna can be inducted don't see why Janet or Whitney can't be.

They absolutely have not eclipsed her (never will), but just trying to figure out why they snub her. They might already be regretting Madonna's induction.

mjscarousal said:

But none of those acts have done anything as groundbreaking as Rhythm Nation or has made an album as influential as Control. Janet is more than worthy to be inducted. Same with Whitney. Its pretty ridiculous Whitney has not been in either. If Madonna can be inducted don't see why Janet or Whitney can't be.

There's not that many female acts in the Hall. So her gender have something to do with it. Rock is considered to be a macho male thing. Most of the founders were male, and popular rock remained primarily male. Dance music is not considered macho (probably why Chic can't get in), but rap is. Even more than rock, rap is definitely more masculine and ever since Rapper's Delight became a hit, very few female rappers got any kind of popularity.

PurpleMedley122 said:

I didn't know Victor French performed with Janet

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

But none of those acts have done anything as groundbreaking as Rhythm Nation or has made an album as influential as Control. Janet is more than worthy to be inducted. Same with Whitney. Its pretty ridiculous Whitney has not been in either. If Madonna can be inducted don't see why Janet or Whitney can't be.

There's not that many female acts in the Hall. So her gender have something to do with it. Rock is considered to be a macho male thing. Most of the founders were male, and popular rock remained primarily male. Dance music is not considered macho (probably why Chic can't get in), but rap is. Even more than rock, rap is definitely more masculine and ever since Rapper's Delight became a hit, very few female rappers got any kind of popularity.

There seems to be some of that, for sure. That makes more sense than an ethnicity argument.

Race is most definitly a factor in these nominations and inductions. For crying out loud only ONE black act got inducted this year. I am sorry but that is ridiculous Some of ya'll really think race is no factor in these inductions? I think its pretty safe to say the RHOF is racist and political. Chic got snubbed TEN TIMES. What white band you know (regardless of genre) got snubbed 10 times?

Cinny said:

mjscarousal said:

But none of those acts have done anything as groundbreaking as Rhythm Nation or has made an album as influential as Control. Janet is more than worthy to be inducted. Same with Whitney. Its pretty ridiculous Whitney has not been in either. If Madonna can be inducted don't see why Janet or Whitney can't be.

They absolutely have not eclipsed her (never will), but just trying to figure out why they snub her. They might already be regretting Madonna's induction.

I actually think Madonna deserves to be in RHOF. However, if she is already in it than why can't Janet or Whitney? They all have classics, groundbreaking albums, influence etc. I think its a race AND gender issue. Donna Summer didn't get inducted until after she passed away, gross

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

But none of those acts have done anything as groundbreaking as Rhythm Nation or has made an album as influential as Control. Janet is more than worthy to be inducted. Same with Whitney. Its pretty ridiculous Whitney has not been in either. If Madonna can be inducted don't see why Janet or Whitney can't be.

There's not that many female acts in the Hall. So her gender have something to do with it. Rock is considered to be a macho male thing. Most of the founders were male, and popular rock remained primarily male. Dance music is not considered macho (probably why Chic can't get in), but rap is. Even more than rock, rap is definitely more masculine and ever since Rapper's Delight became a hit, very few female rappers got any kind of popularity.

Agree but it is definitly a race issue as well.

mjscarousal said:

For crying out loud only ONE black act got inducted this year.

How many Mexican, Chinese, Cherokee, Puerto Rican, Japanese, Indian, etc. performers are in the Hall period? Or have become popular in mainstream USA for that matter? There's many blacks that have been inducted, including early influence acts.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

For crying out loud only ONE black act got inducted this year.

How many Mexican, Chinese, Cherokee, Puerto Rican, Japanese, Indian, etc. performers are in the Hall period? Or have become popular in mainstream USA for that matter? There's many blacks that have been inducted, including early influence acts.

Actually there have been fewer black acts compared whites inducted and I didn't say this was a BLACKissue. I said this was a RACE issue which includes other races besides African Americans.

mjscarousal said:

Actually there have been fewer black acts compared whites inducted and I didn't say this was a BLACKissue. I said this was a RACE issue which includes other races besides African Americans.

What do you expect from a rock magazine started by a white guy? Whites are the main readers of Rolling Stone. It's not a R&B music focused magazine. Most of the black performers featured in RS and that have been inducted in the Hall Of Fame have been the ones who crossed over to the pop charts and not the ones who are mainly known to the black audience. How many times has Willie Hutch, Joe Simon, & Millie Jackson been in RS or a reggae act not named Bob Marley? Way less than Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jackson, and Stevie Wonder. Black people are not the the main ones who buy the magazine and the primarily white audience who do would be less likely to have heard of the non-crossover acts. Geto Boys formed before or around the same time as NWA, but they're less known to the mainstream and didn't get the same amount of press although they were basically doing the same thing. Magazines are a business and they're going to feature people who are more likely to sell and so is a museum. RS is not an underground or niche music magazine.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Actually there have been fewer black acts compared whites inducted and I didn't say this was a BLACKissue. I said this was a RACE issue which includes other races besides African Americans.

What do you expect from a rock magazine started by a white guy? Whites are the main readers of Rolling Stone. It's not a R&B music focused magazine. Most of the black performers featured in RS and that have been inducted in the Hall Of Fame have been the ones who crossed over to the pop charts and not the ones who are mainly known to the black audience. How many times has Willie Hutch, Joe Simon, & Millie Jackson been in RS or a reggae act not named Bob Marley? Way less than Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jackson, and Stevie Wonder. Black people are not the the main ones who buy the magazine and the primarily white audience who do would be less likely to have heard of the non-crossover acts. Geto Boys formed before or around the same time as NWA, but they're less known to the mainstream and didn't get the same amount of press although they were basically doing the same thing. Magazines are a business and they're going to feature people who are more likely to sell and so is a museum. RS is not an underground or niche music magazine.

So maybe we shouldn't be surprised if Beyonce gets nominated and inducted the first time out, would that be like in 2033? And Janet and Chic will still probably left out in the cold when it comes to being inducted by that time.

oh for f's sake..not everyone can get in every year...

alphastreet said:

Would love to see it happen, but I feel like fans who keep putting out things like this over and over just want their fandom to be validated. I understand why in the greater context, but it's starting to sound like a temper tantrum at this point and almost embarrassing

Agree

A reissuing campaign that would make writers cozy up to her classics again might've helped.

UnderMySun said:

So maybe we shouldn't be surprised if Beyonce gets nominated and inducted the first time out, would that be like in 2033? And Janet and Chic will still probably left out in the cold when it comes to being inducted by that time.

By the time that comes around, Jann Wenner & the other boomer staff of RS will be really old & retired or dead. Notice that most of the current inducted acts debuted in the 1960s & 1970s and so was last year like Paul Butterfield, Bill Withers, & Ringo Starr. I think they're trickling out the older acts because there's not many acts that debuted 25 years ago had any longevity. I don't see Blues Traveler & Spin Doctors getting in anytime soon. I think Green Day got in because they had a successful Broadway play and NWA because of the later success of Ice Cube & Dr. Dre. Dre & DJ Yella was doing electro in World Class Wreckin' Cru. They didn't get in for that. NWA did not invent gangsta rap. They only released 2 albums, unless you count NWA & The Posse, and then they broke up. They just became the face of gangsta. The big success of their biopic probably help too.

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When Beyonce comes around it'll be a different generation voting who may not have been around when rock was big. Rap and maybe pop country is the rock of today. Rock has been replaced in the mainstream, like rock n roll replaced the easy listening acts before them like Dinah Shore, Percy Faith, & Jackie Gleason. I think as far as Top 40 is concerned, rock is like Lawrence Welk, something their grandparents or great-grandparents listened to.

NorthC said:

At the end of the day, rock & roll is black music performed by white folks.

Like basketball was invented by a white guy and was a mostly white sport but now primarily black (in the USA) The thing is black people in the US in general abandoned the blues, jazz, and rock. At some blues & jazz concerts the audience might be primarily white, even with a black performer. I think there's also less nostalgia. On TV recently I saw several reports on the 100th birthday of Frank Sinatra. You're not likely to see BET talking about Ethel Waters and Louis Armstrong.