JKOOLMUSIC said:

its a silly ceremony to be featured in some circlejerk museum in Ohio

In a nutshell yes in Cleveland, Ohio that is.

The Rock and Roll hall of fame is one of the reasons Cleveland Browns then late

owner Art Modell moved the football franchise from Cleveland to Baltimore in 1996 because

the city wouldn't give funds to build them a new football stadium as the old Cleveland Municipal stadium became old and decrepit whereas the Indians

and Cavaliers got new a new baseball stadium and new basketball arena respectively

and the city decided to build the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I guess it's important to those

that follow the inductions but I usually don't care or pay attention unless it's mentioned here.

mjscarousal said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Hispanic is not considered a race by many sources, including the one you used. So when the term "racist" is used, Hispanic has nothing to do with it. The 77% of "white people" you referenced INCLUDES Hispanics.

Seems like you're trying to say there should be more Hispanic inductees too. Well in the 1940's and 1950's only 2% of the US population was Hispanic, and by 1990 it was only 9%. Why on Earth would you expect there to be a lot more Hispanic inductees? There's a Latin Music Hall of Fame you know, and also a Country Music Hall of Fame. And a Classical Music Hall of Fame. The Rock Hall includes many, but not all genres.

How many Latin artists dominated the charts prior to 1990? Off the top of my head I can think of Santana and Valens ... and Carlos Santana has stated he doesn't do Latin music, he says "What it is, is African music... All the music that I love comes from Africa."


If you can find a breakdown of RHOF Inductees that counts only Hispanics, feel free to post the link here.

Do you realize musicians have to wait 25 years from the release of their first album before they become eligible for induction? Therefore if you are going to look at demographics, you need to look pre-1990.

Plenty of acts, both white and black, have long been deserving. When only 5 or so can be inducted each year, and there's a backlog going all the way back to at least the 1940's, sure there's going to be plenty who are snubbed. But when you look at the percentage of inductees who are African American, it's silly to accuse the RHOF of racism. Fortunately as the US continues to produce more multi-racial artists and bands, the subject of race will become even more of a non-issue than it already is.

I am confused with why you even posted the African American stats when there are less African Americans in this country compared to Whites. What were you trying to prove with the stat? What does that even have to do with this discussion? NOTHING. Nothing in this post debunks the point I made. I presented you with a few African Americans acts that have been overlooked for decades more than the two white rock bands you presented. To say that race is not an issue in how acts get inducted over others in RHOF is ridiculous. There was only one black act that was inducted this year. There are tons of black acts that get snubbed for decades over white rock bands. That is my opinion and it is not changing. You do not have to agree with it.

That's what I generally don't understand at times when the discussion of an r&b act is bought up here then all of a sudden the topic goes left and it becomes well they were never big sellers compared to this white act and that white act. It's like comparing apples and oranges considering

the large disparity of black music listeners to white music listeners in the U.S.

Pokeno4Money said:

babynoz said:

Colin Powell? Seriously?

The letter writer's sense of proportion is waaaay off. This is hardly a life or death matter.

No doubt.

This is the part that cracks me up the most: "What artist today has not been influenced by Janet Jackson?"



Yes, they call it the "Entitlement Generation" for a reason ... always about getting the most for "me and my own", regardless of all the others who may be more deserving at that point in time.


Maybe I'll write my own letter on behalf of Kid Rock and Lenny Kravitz.

That letter was the funniest thing I've read all year. I think it's safe to say this is a person who doesn't know much about what's going on in the world if this is their idea of fighting the power. Nor do they seem to know much about music. Apparently Janet is more worthy than Bruce Springsteen!

Man, there oughta be humanitarian interventions against this kind of cluelessness.

Janet doesn't deserve to be in the R&RHOF. Madonna's already there and she's had more of an effect on culture and subsequent music than Janet has.

I don't see rock n roll as a catch-all term like some folks do and Janet is neither rock n roll nor has she had an influence on it. She's made some good tunes, but making good tunes doesn't mean you deserve to be there.

That said, the R&RHOF is a shit show if ever I saw one.

SoulAlive said:

lezama said:

Chic was rejected for the 10th time which is incredible.

Makes you wonder how many times Janet will be nominated and rejected.They didn't induct Donna Summer until after she died,which is unforgivable

You are so right. They wouldn't have inducted Donna Summer even after she died if stars like Elton John and Bruce Springsteen hadn't started complaining about her being snubbed over the years. That's the only reason she is in there.

That hall of fame is very sexists. They act as though females have contributed nothing to music. Also, why isn't Pat Benatar in there? It's a mess.

grethomory said:

SoulAlive said:

lezama said: Makes you wonder how many times Janet will be nominated and rejected.They didn't induct Donna Summer until after she died,which is unforgivable

You are so right. They wouldn't have inducted Donna Summer even after she died if stars like Elton John and Bruce Springsteen hadn't started complaining about her being snubbed over the years. That's the only reason she is in there.

That hall of fame is very sexists. They act as though females have contributed nothing to music. Also, why isn't Pat Benatar in there? It's a mess.

Thank You before people cite racism, look at the HALL as what it is, a boys club. Ann and Nancy wilson who finally got in (HEART) they had to deal with nonsense forever, they also suffered from the 80's stigma which kept out chicago and hall and oates for a long time and YES this stigma is REAL if you don't believe it research it because there are writers on record saying they will not put in any 80's acts that had pop hits. Outside of ICONS like madonna and prince you wont see many 80's artists in. Good luck Duran duran and Bon jovi the Cure depeche mode etc....it aint happening.

grethomory said:

why isn't Pat Benatar in there? It's a mess.

a mess,indeed.Pat Benatar should be a shoo-in for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

mjscarousal said:

Race is most definitly a factor in these nominations and inductions. For crying out loud only ONE black act got inducted this year. I am sorry but that is ridiculous Some of ya'll really think race is no factor in these inductions? I think its pretty safe to say the RHOF is racist and political. Chic got snubbed TEN TIMES. What white band you know (regardless of genre) got snubbed 10 times?

1. the band Yes (who is more musically talented than JJ) 20 snubs
2. Steppenwolf - 21 snubs
3. Procol Harum - 22 snubs
4. The Moody Blues - 25 snubs
5. The Monkees (not really deserving of the HOF) 23 snubs
6. King Crimson - 20 snubs
7. Judas Priest - 15 snubs
8. Journey - 14 snubs
9. the GUess Who - 24 snubs
10. ELO - 18 snubs
11. Emerson, Lake and Palmer - 19 snubs
12. Doobie Brothers - 18 snubs
13. Bad Company - 15 snubs

Any questions?

avasdad said:

mjscarousal said:

Race is most definitly a factor in these nominations and inductions. For crying out loud only ONE black act got inducted this year. I am sorry but that is ridiculous Some of ya'll really think race is no factor in these inductions? I think its pretty safe to say the RHOF is racist and political. Chic got snubbed TEN TIMES. What white band you know (regardless of genre) got snubbed 10 times?

1. the band Yes (who is more musically talented than JJ) 20 snubs
2. Steppenwolf - 21 snubs
3. Procol Harum - 22 snubs
4. The Moody Blues - 25 snubs
5. The Monkees (not really deserving of the HOF) 23 snubs
6. King Crimson - 20 snubs
7. Judas Priest - 15 snubs
8. Journey - 14 snubs
9. the GUess Who - 24 snubs
10. ELO - 18 snubs
11. Emerson, Lake and Palmer - 19 snubs
12. Doobie Brothers - 18 snubs
13. Bad Company - 15 snubs

Any questions?

Recently the Hall has been righting the wrongs by inducting bands that have been snubbed for at least a decade.

Rush was a long time coming, but finally got in after being snubbed for 14 years.
Heart got in after being snubbed for 11 years.
Hall & Oates after 16 years.
Kiss after 14 years.
Genesis after 16 years.
Abba after 11 years.
Chicago after 21 years.
Steve Miller after 22 years.
Cheap Trick after 13 years.

And the biggest travesty of all, Deep Purple after 22 years.

I'd also add The Cars (13 years) to the list of long overdue bands that need to be inducted

Moral of the Story: Sometimes it's a very long wait, but eventually those who are deserving get in.

Pokeno4Money said:

mancabdriver said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Recently the Hall has been righting the wrongs by inducting bands that have been snubbed for at least a decade.

Rush was a long time coming, but finally got in after being snubbed for 14 years.
Heart got in after being snubbed for 11 years.
Hall & Oates after 16 years.
Kiss after 14 years.
Genesis after 16 years.
Abba after 11 years.
Chicago after 21 years.
Steve Miller after 22 years.
Cheap Trick after 13 years.

And the biggest travesty of all, Deep Purple after 22 years.

I'd also add The Cars (13 years) to the list of long overdue bands that need to be inducted

Moral of the Story: Sometimes it's a very long wait, but eventually those who are deserving get in.

Hold up - are these the number of times they've been nominated or the number of years they've been eligible for induction? I can't believe Green Day were inducted the same year of eligibility - I thought only emo teenagers were into them ( me included at one time ) Does anyone have a list of artists with the most nominations?

It's the number of years eligible for induction. The way most people view it, not getting nominated is just as worse a snub as getting nominated and not inducted.

Green Day was groundbreaking by bringing punk mainstream, I think that's the main reason they got in. Being friendly with the Hall (ie: Billie Joe hosting the 2012 ceremony) definitely helps.

I'm sorry but this letter is so pathetic. I see nothing wrong with supporting your fave artist and wanting them to succeed but this fan is over the top in their reaction. I'm sure they're more bothered about this than even Janet herself is.

I gotta say this for Green Day, they really changed what the whole notion of "rock and roll fame" was about. And they remain popular, probably Rolling Stone's favorite band. They're totally worthy, even though I don't like them that much. As a punk rocker, there are at least three hundred bands I like more/ were more influential/ did it earlier/ are way cooler bands. But it is a hall of fame, not a hall of merit.

Cinnamon234 said:

I'm sorry but this letter is so pathetic. I see nothing wrong with supporting your fave artist and wanting them to succeed but this fan is over the top in their reaction. I'm sure they're more bothered about this than even Janet herself is.

I agree.Some of her fans take this stuff waaaayyy too seriously It's not a life or death thing,lol

SoulAlive said:

Cinnamon234 said:

I'm sorry but this letter is so pathetic. I see nothing wrong with supporting your fave artist and wanting them to succeed but this fan is over the top in their reaction. I'm sure they're more bothered about this than even Janet herself is.

I agree.Some of her fans take this stuff waaaayyy too seriously It's not a life or death thing,lol

Agree. I love J but her fans are really over the top when it comes down to what they think she deserves.

Can someone please explain to me why they think Green Day is worthy of RHOF induction? Because I don't get why they deserve to be in the RHOF over the likes of Chic, WAR, Janet, Spinners, Marvelettes or Whitney. Can someone care to explain?

avasdad said:

mjscarousal said:

Race is most definitly a factor in these nominations and inductions. For crying out loud only ONE black act got inducted this year. I am sorry but that is ridiculous Some of ya'll really think race is no factor in these inductions? I think its pretty safe to say the RHOF is racist and political. Chic got snubbed TEN TIMES. What white band you know (regardless of genre) got snubbed 10 times?

1. the band Yes (who is more musically talented than JJ) 20 snubs
2. Steppenwolf - 21 snubs
3. Procol Harum - 22 snubs
4. The Moody Blues - 25 snubs
5. The Monkees (not really deserving of the HOF) 23 snubs
6. King Crimson - 20 snubs
7. Judas Priest - 15 snubs
8. Journey - 14 snubs
9. the GUess Who - 24 snubs
10. ELO - 18 snubs
11. Emerson, Lake and Palmer - 19 snubs
12. Doobie Brothers - 18 snubs
13. Bad Company - 15 snubs

Any questions?

Fair enough but 13 bands compared to hundreds of black acts that have yet to be inducted?

Cinnamon234 said:

mjscarousal said:

Pokeno4Money said:

mancabdriver said:

Pokeno4Money said: Hold up - are these the number of times they've been nominated or the number of years they've been eligible for induction? I can't believe Green Day were inducted the same year of eligibility - I thought only emo teenagers were into them ( me included at one time ) Does anyone have a list of artists with the most nominations?

It's the number of years eligible for induction. The way most people view it, not getting nominated is just as worse a snub as getting nominated and not inducted.

Green Day was groundbreaking by bringing punk mainstream, I think that's the main reason they got in. Being friendly with the Hall (ie: Billie Joe hosting the 2012 ceremony) definitely helps.

Ah the latter explains why they got in so prematurely. I personally don't think they have the legendary status the other inductees have.

I expect Timberlake and Beyonce to do the similar ass licking when their time is close.

So other than ‘Chic’ does anyone know what other artists have been nominated multiple times but have failed to get an induction? I think LL Cool J has been nominated a few times.

It will be really interesting to see what female artist gets in next. Pat Benatar? Cary Simon? tiny chance of Kate Bush?

Still hoping and praying it’s Janet though.

mancabdriver said:

Pokeno4Money said:

It's the number of years eligible for induction. The way most people view it, not getting nominated is just as worse a snub as getting nominated and not inducted.

Green Day was groundbreaking by bringing punk mainstream, I think that's the main reason they got in. Being friendly with the Hall (ie: Billie Joe hosting the 2012 ceremony) definitely helps.

Ah the latter explains why they got in so prematurely. I personally don't think they have the legendary status the other inductees have.

I expect Timberlake and Beyonce to do the similar ass licking when their time is close.

So other than ‘Chic’ does anyone know what other artists have been nominated multiple times but have failed to get an induction? I think LL Cool J has been nominated a few times.

It will be really interesting to see what female artist gets in next. Pat Benatar? Cary Simon? tiny chance of Kate Bush?

Still hoping and praying it’s Janet though.

Found the list here for anyone who is interested:

List of Artists with most nominations but have yet to be inducted:

It's also interesting to note that Bowie was nominated 2 times before getting in, Joni had to wait 3 times and the Jackson 5 were 4th time lucky - and Madonna and Green Day get in first time?? What is wrong with people???

mancabdriver said:

It's also interesting to note that Bowie was nominated 2 times before getting in, Joni had to wait 3 times and the Jackson 5 were 4th time lucky - and Madonna and Green Day get in first time?? What is wrong with people???

It's just my opinion,but I think Madonna deserved to have gotten in the first time she was nominated.Her musical and cultural impact and influence is undeniable.

SoulAlive said:

RJOrion said:

mancabdriver said:

SoulAlive said:

It's just my opinion,but I think Madonna deserved to have gotten in the first time she was nominated.Her musical and cultural impact and influence is undeniable.

I agree Madonna rightly belongs in the hall of fame. But Bowie and Joni are far more worthy. There is not doubt that she is culturally significant, but I was wondering how influential is she really musically? I never hear artists cover or sample her work. Very rarely (unless they are working with her at the time) do I hear artists speak of her influence on them. She just plays the game really well.

I agree. Artists that preceeded and paved the way should get in first. Joni should have definitly been inducted before Madonna, agree (I still think Madonna deserves her induction too but just saying)

mancabdriver said:

SoulAlive said:

It's just my opinion,but I think Madonna deserved to have gotten in the first time she was nominated.Her musical and cultural impact and influence is undeniable.

I agree Madonna rightly belongs in the hall of fame. But Bowie and Joni are far more worthy. There is not doubt that she is culturally significant, but I was wondering how influential is she really musically? I never hear artists cover or sample her work. Very rarely (unless they are working with her at the time) do I hear artists speak of her influence on them. She just plays the game really well.

No,it's not just a case of "playing the game really well" She has made some incredible music in her career and done some incredible performances and tours.Her amazing success and longevity speaks for itself.

mancabdriver said:

mancabdriver said:

Ah the latter explains why they got in so prematurely. I personally don't think they have the legendary status the other inductees have.

I expect Timberlake and Beyonce to do the similar ass licking when their time is close.

So other than ‘Chic’ does anyone know what other artists have been nominated multiple times but have failed to get an induction? I think LL Cool J has been nominated a few times.

It will be really interesting to see what female artist gets in next. Pat Benatar? Cary Simon? tiny chance of Kate Bush?

Still hoping and praying it’s Janet though.

Found the list here for anyone who is interested:

List of Artists with most nominations but have yet to be inducted:

Artist	Nominations	Most Recent Nomination
Chic	10	2016
Chuck Willis	6	2011
Joe Tex	4	2011
Kraftwerk	3	2015
The J. Geils Band	3	2011
LL Cool J	3	2014
Gram Parsons	3	2005
The Spinners	3	2016
The Meters	3	2014
Ben E. King	3	1988
War	3	2015
Nine Inch Nails	2	2016
Esther Phillips	2	1987
The Smiths	2	2016
Johnny Ace	2	1987
The Chantels	2	2010
Mary Wells	2	1987
The Marvelettes	2	2015
Yes	2	2016

It's also interesting to note that Bowie was nominated 2 times before getting in, Joni had to wait 3 times and the Jackson 5 were 4th time lucky - and Madonna and Green Day get in first time?? What is wrong with people???

Didn't Ben E King get in (not including his induction as a Drifter?) And JOE TEX should have been in.