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Discuss Anything & Everything MJ & The Jackson 5 **New album coming, XSCAPE**

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Reply #2 posted 02/02/14 7:44pm

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I was giving Childhood a listen today, and I realized how beautiful his vocal are, and how sad the lyrics are when you relate them to his life. Sure Mj was awkward, and quite odd, but this man had a scarring childhood. Being on the top during your childhood (at an age younger than most child stars now), he probably witnessed and saw stuff he shouldnt have seen at his age... along with the abuse from Joe.

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Reply #3 posted 02/02/14 8:59pm

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FnkyManifesto7 said:

I was giving Childhood a listen today, and I realized how beautiful his vocal are, and how sad the lyrics are when you relate them to his life. Sure Mj was awkward, and quite odd, but this man had a scarring childhood. Being on the top during your childhood (at an age younger than most child stars now), he probably witnessed and saw stuff he shouldnt have seen at his age... along with the abuse from Joe.

You know everyone keeps saying "the abuse from Joe". Frankly I think the most abuse MJ received was at the hands of the media and the haters. Particularly 1993 on. Michael himself suggested that Marlon and the other brothers got it worse than he did because he was the star or "the golden goose".

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Reply #4 posted 02/03/14 10:40am

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MJ received physical abuse as well although it might not have been as much as the other siblings but I think Joe's psychological abuse was more damaging. Imagine being 10/11 years old and your father is telling you your ugly, you didn't get your ugliness from me, your nose is too wide etc. and then you have to smile publicly and go on stage and perform. Joe also was not really emotionally involved with his children and was more so of a manager type figure than an actual father figure. That disconnect can really scorn a child mentally and emtionally. I personally think Michael's loneliness and love for children was because he longed to have a closer relationship and love from his father.

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Reply #5 posted 02/03/14 9:55pm

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MJ received physical abuse as well although it might not have been as much as the other siblings but I think Joe's psychological abuse was more damaging. Imagine being 10/11 years old and your father is telling you your ugly, you didn't get your ugliness from me, your nose is too wide etc. and then you have to smile publicly and go on stage and perform. Joe also was not really emotionally involved with his children and was more so of a manager type figure than an actual father figure. That disconnect can really scorn a child mentally and emtionally. I personally think Michael's loneliness and love for children was because he longed to have a closer relationship and love from his father.

Well said. The part I don't understand is that many people who knew Michael Jackson very well as a child discribe him as extremely well adjusted. Including his Motown family who spent a lot of time with him. He had several father figures and mothers because the entire Motown family took him under their wing and gave him a lot of love...certainly more than the average child receives...and this is always ignored.

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Reply #6 posted 02/07/14 12:20am

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BJ Novak Peaked When He Met Michael Jackson. Vanity Fair.
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Reply #7 posted 02/08/14 8:28am

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Yes joe was abusive but many of his white fans (and mainstream media hand-in-hand) fail to see how hard visible minorities had it in those times and how it still affects us today. Those were days you were looked down upon for not disciplining your children, and he did this to keep those boys from straying off their path into a wrong crowd. They need to read jermaines book properly and what was going on on their Gary street.

I never thought deep about this before though its obviously scarring, but going to strip clubs and places like that from age 7 or so is not a normal childhood, it's not too different from watching x rated material at an age you shouldn't, that discretion was not there on the adults part, all in the name of getting discovered. There was no star search or any show like that yet, there was racism about who could perform where, all of it in North America. This is what he refers to when missing out on his Childhood, the whole Grammy speech about missing occasions due to being Jevohah's Witness is a very small part of it but he had to keep it G-rated for his young audience at the time. That's a good point too about having older role models at Motown and supportivr older siblings before their marriages

The song Childhood has been one I've like on and off for years, I'm warming up to it again though its cheesy, don't get me started on the video. I really think it depends where I am in my own life when I'm feeling it, missing aspects of mine like we all do time to time or if something recent takes you back. I do think he unintentionally kept the story going for years and it backfired in the end. I understand the media and Bashirs role, but he played a huge part too in his downfall and I wish people were easier on him and had more empathy when he was alive. They would have realized he is not that different in some ways though I don't believe anybody should compare or want the kind of life he had. A huge price came with it, and I'm sure he envied people who didn't have the struggles he did when it came to being judged
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Reply #8 posted 02/08/14 10:07am

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Los Angeles Times eek

Michael Jackson estate embroiled in tax fight with IRS

Executors say Michael Jackson was worth $7 million when he died. The IRS says it's more like $1.125 billion and wants $702 million in taxes and penalties.

By Jeff Gottlieb

7:51 PM PST, February 7, 2014

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The spectacle that was Michael Jackson's life shows no signs of abating with his death.

There was the conviction of the doctor who gave him the fatal overdose of a powerful anesthetic, battles over his will, attempts to remove the executors of his estate and the wrongful death suit against the promoter of his doomed comeback tour.

Now, Jackson's estate is in the midst of a fight with the Internal Revenue Service.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009

The agency has told Jackson's executors that the estate owes $505 million in taxes and an additional $197 million in penalties, for a total of more than $702 million.

According to documents filed with the U.S. Tax Court in Washington, Jackson's executors placed his net worth at the time of his June 2009 death at slightly more than $7 million.

The IRS placed it at $1.125 billion, a difference so vast it looks like a typo.

Jackson's return was so inaccurate, the IRS said, that it qualified for a gross valuation misstatement penalty, which would allow the government to double the usual 20% penalty for underpayment.

"I've never even heard of the gross valuation misstatement penalty being asserted," said Andrew Katzenstein, an estate tax expert at the law firm Proskauer Rose in Los Angeles.

Few estates are valuable enough that they are required to file with the IRS. In 2012, the latest year for which statistics are available, only 9,400 estate-tax returns were filed in the nation. Because the value of the estates that file is relatively high, they usually are audited, tax experts said, but few end up in Tax Court.

"Estate planning is like playing a game of hot potato, and the potato is wealth, and you don't want to die with the potato in your hands," said Edward McCaffery, a professor in USC's Gould School of Law. "You want to get it out to your kids or into trusts."

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Most of the dispute is over the value of Jackson's image, along with his interest in a trust that includes the rights to some of his songs and most of the Beatles catalog, including "Yesterday," "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" and "Get Back."

The estate valued Jackson's likeness at just $2,105.

The IRS put it at $434.264 million.

A dead celebrity's image and likeness, used on things such as T-shirts and television commercials, can be a lucrative source of income. Elizabeth Taylor, for example, directed that 25% of the income from her image go to the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation.

The estate put the value of the pop star's interest in the trust that owns the Beatles' and Jackson's songs at zero. The IRS put it at $469 million.

A certified public accountant testified during the wrongful death suit last year that Jackson had taken a $320-million loan against the music catalog.

The IRS also said Jackson's interest in another trust was worth $60.6 million, not $2.2 million, as the estate claimed.

Experts agreed that it was hard to imagine that someone would price a catalog that included some of the world's most memorable songs at zero and think it would pass muster with the IRS.

McCaffery and Katzenstein suspected that while he was living, Jackson may have tried to pass the catalog on to his children as a trust but that the IRS found problems with the transfer.

Neither the IRS nor Howard Weitzman, the attorney for Jackson's estate, would comment.

Tax experts said the Jackson estate would have hired appraisers to determine how much his assets were worth at the time of his death, including his likeness. One document mentions a report by the venerable firm Bonhams & Butterfield.

Most estates are much easier to value than Jackson's. You can look up the prices of stocks and bonds. You can check comparable properties for real estate. With a business, you can compare sales with a similar firm. But how do you value Jackson's likeness?

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson memorabilia on display

"This is something unusual," Katzenstein said. "He was one of the premier entertainers of our time. So there are really no comparables, and it leaves the valuation question open to a huge range of possibilities.

"Do I think his likeness was worth $2,105? No. But was it worth $400 million?"

The Jackson estate probably would argue that before he died, the singer had neither toured nor released a CD for several years, and his public image had been severely damaged by allegations of child molestation. Companies were not exactly begging Jackson to endorse their products or trying to make deals with him.

Since he died, Jackson's recordings have gained new life. The estate had earned $475 million, according to a court filing in July 2012. Forbes magazine reported in October 2013 that Jackson was the highest-paid celebrity that year — dead or alive — earning $160 million.

Much of the money, according to Forbes, came from two Cirque du Soleil shows based on Jackson's music, one at Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas and another that tours the world.

"You have the Jim Croce effect," McCaffery said, referring to a singer who was killed in an airplane crash in 1973. "Before he dies, everyone is tired of his songs. But after the tragic death, there is a spike up."

The court documents also list other disagreements between the estate and the IRS. The documents often refer to assets, such as a company or a trust, but do not go into detail about them and often do not explain why the IRS disputes the estate's figures.

Listed under stocks and bonds, the IRS said MJJ Ventures Inc. was worth $81.13 million, $67.4 million more than the estate said.

The IRS also took issue with the valuation of Jackson's share of the rights to the Jackson 5 master recordings. The estate valued them at $11.193 million, while the IRS placed their worth at nearly $45.5 million.

The tax court documents show that Jackson had three Rolls-Royces and a 2001 Bentley Arnage that the IRS said were worth $250,000, not the $91,600 the estate placed on them.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson and friends

The IRS also found other automobiles, saying, "Tangible personal property including vehicles not reported otherwise" were worth $47.467 million instead of the $0 the estate reported.

If it is found liable for the taxes, the Jackson estate could pay them off by selling assets or asking the IRS if it could pay over 15 years, Katzenstein said.

Although most inheritance tax disputes are settled before trial, the Jackson estate appears to be taking a hard line, having hired the top tax litigators in Los Angeles — Hochman, Salkin, Rettig, Toscher & Perez — Katzenstein said.

"They're trial lawyers," he said. "They're a firm not afraid of litigating these matters to resolution."

But the IRS, McCaffery said, signaled it is not backing off when it said Jackson's likeness was worth $434 million. "They're saying, `Bring it on.'"

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Reply #9 posted 02/09/14 8:23am

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Michael Jackson's 'Number Ones' Hits 5 Million in Sales.

Michael Jackson, "Number Ones" - No. 141 - The greatest hits package surpasses 5 million in total U.S. sales this week, marking the King of Pop's third album to sell that many copies since SoundScan started tracking sales in 1991. It joins "Thriller" (6.3 million) and "Dangerous" (5.8 million) in Jackson's 5 million-seller club (again, in the SoundScan era).

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Reply #10 posted 02/09/14 4:07pm

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Los Angeles Times eek

The estate valued Jackson's likeness at just $2,105.

Was someone in the Estate smoking crack? They must be crazy to have put such a low figure on his likeness. So here we go again another money draining trial.

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Think Number Ones will beat Dangerous someday with Soundscan figures? I see it going up in sales like Immaculate Collection over the years

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Reply #13 posted 02/21/14 8:37am

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YO! Its GANGSTA MJ! lol



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From Joe Jackson's Twitter (Yes Joe has a twitter! lol)


Joseph Jackson ‏@Joe5Jackson 8m Katherine, Eddie Murphy and I at Planet Hollywood to see our sons perform in Vegas. I'm so proud of them!

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Reply #16 posted 02/21/14 12:50pm

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Question: Is It True that Prince Gave MJ Some Ideas for a late'00s Comeback??

you know, just before the announcement/rehearsals of the This Is It project (before his death)

I've heard/read some stories about Prince advising MJ to make a broadcast live unplugged concert or something like that, but it sounds like fan rumour and BS

some say that even Prince was (one of) the masterminds behind the This Is It project

does anyone know sumthing 'bout this? source? proof?

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Reply #17 posted 02/21/14 2:48pm

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Not sure if this is the actual demo (vocals are the same) - I like the version though..


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Reply #18 posted 02/22/14 1:22pm

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I wanna ask yall, did Prince made any reaction to MJ's death back in 2009?

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Reply #19 posted 02/22/14 9:24pm

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JoeTyler said:

Question: Is It True that Prince Gave MJ Some Ideas for a late'00s Comeback??

you know, just before the announcement/rehearsals of the This Is It project (before his death)

I've heard/read some stories about Prince advising MJ to make a broadcast live unplugged concert or something like that, but it sounds like fan rumour and BS

some say that even Prince was (one of) the masterminds behind the This Is It project

does anyone know sumthing 'bout this? source? proof?

thanks

discuss

I hadnt heard anything about Prince discussing ideas with This Is It with Michael, I know Michael wanted to beat Prince's record of performing at the O2. Sounds like a fanmade rumor to me.

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Reply #20 posted 02/22/14 9:25pm

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Shawy89 said:

I wanna ask yall, did Prince made any reaction to MJ's death back in 2009?



Prince talks Michael Jackson, pays tribute to Jackson 5: 'It is always sad to lose someone you love'


October 16, 2:22 AM Pop Media

Performer, and singer extraordinaire, Prince, in a new interview breaks his silence about the death of his peer, Michael Jackson. Prince speaks specifically of concerts, what Michael Jackson showed him as an artist, and his thoughts on MJ's untimely death.

When asked about his years of cultivating the art of surprise concerts in exceptional locations, Prince revealed, "I now prefer this format above the traditional tour, it tempts me more. I like being the first and the last to do something. When I played in London in 2007, the O ² Arena, I asked the producers what had been the record number of shows played consecutely in their venue. They said six. I said that I wanted to do twenty-one. During two weeks they refused me, nobody had ever played for so long. All concerts were nevertheless sold out. Since then, Michael Jackson showed me that I should go farther (Michael Jackson had planned to fifty concerts in this venue for what should be his big comeback)."

When asked if his performance of the Jackson 5 Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) at his concert at the Grand Palais was a tribute, he replied, "My singer Elisa has the same timbre as Michael when he was young. And a good song is a good song." The mood shifted when Prince was asked about his feelings on the death of Michael Jackson, "(Prince, obviously reluctant, does not want to dwell on the subject.) It is always sad to lose someone you loved."

http://www.michaeljackson...ode/345962

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Reply #21 posted 02/22/14 9:27pm

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http://rhapsodyincolour.tumblr.com/post/77534413908/tally777-heres-michael-jackson-and-i-on-a-new



"Here’s Michael Jackson and I on a New York chat show around 1970… I think 1970 anyway! Can’t remember the exact date, it was so long ago. Don’t we look young?!"

Via Twiggy

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The Jacksons - This Place Hotel - The Victory Tour in Buffalo, NY 1984

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Reply #23 posted 02/23/14 8:00am

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op Rewind: Michael Jackson “Billie Jean”

From a music history standpoint, Michael Jackson really had two careers: a child singing star who stole the spotlight among his brothers early on as part of the Jackson 5; and his emergence as the “King of Pop” in the 1980s. This week’s rewind, “Billie Jean,” the second single from 1982’s breakthrough album Thriller, is one of the songs that helped propel Jackson’s second career into megastardom.

Ironically, “Billie Jean” almost didn’t make the track list for Thriller, as producer Quincy Jones didn’t feel the song was strong enough (proving that even Quincy Jones can make a mistake). Nevertheless, it seemed the song was destined to be a game-changer in the pop scene. Audio engineer Bruce Swedien reportedly mixed the song a whopping 91 times attempting to heed Jones’ instructions to create a never-before-heard drum sound. And even after becoming a worldwide hit, “Billie Jean” became a ground-breaker in another way, as Jackson used it to unveil his signature “moonwalk” dance move on national television. Appearing on the 1983 TV special Motown 25: Yesterday, Today and Forever, Jackson broke out the move only twice during his performance—a few seconds’ worth of television footage—but those few seconds launched a global phenomenon as millions of young people began attempting to copy the move.

Today, “Billie Jean” remains one of the best-selling singles of all time, and the Motown 25 performance has made many lists as of the all-time most powerful moments in television history. Below is the official video for “Billie Jean,” along with Jackson’s appearance on Motown 25. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/Zi_XLOBDo_Y

http://youtu.be/kXhy7ZsiR50

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No matter how many times you hear it, Billy Jean always draws you in. It is a captivating song by the master. Michael Jackson was pure genius. There will never be another.




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Reply #24 posted 02/23/14 12:07pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

The Jacksons - This Place Hotel - The Victory Tour in Buffalo, NY 1984

Wow, god, what an energetic super star he was, performing at its best

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Reply #25 posted 02/23/14 12:10pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

Shawy89 said:

I wanna ask yall, did Prince made any reaction to MJ's death back in 2009?



Prince talks Michael Jackson, pays tribute to Jackson 5: 'It is always sad to lose someone you love'


October 16, 2:22 AM Pop Media

Performer, and singer extraordinaire, Prince, in a new interview breaks his silence about the death of his peer, Michael Jackson. Prince speaks specifically of concerts, what Michael Jackson showed him as an artist, and his thoughts on MJ's untimely death.

When asked about his years of cultivating the art of surprise concerts in exceptional locations, Prince revealed, "I now prefer this format above the traditional tour, it tempts me more. I like being the first and the last to do something. When I played in London in 2007, the O ² Arena, I asked the producers what had been the record number of shows played consecutely in their venue. They said six. I said that I wanted to do twenty-one. During two weeks they refused me, nobody had ever played for so long. All concerts were nevertheless sold out. Since then, Michael Jackson showed me that I should go farther (Michael Jackson had planned to fifty concerts in this venue for what should be his big comeback)."

When asked if his performance of the Jackson 5 Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) at his concert at the Grand Palais was a tribute, he replied, "My singer Elisa has the same timbre as Michael when he was young. And a good song is a good song." The mood shifted when Prince was asked about his feelings on the death of Michael Jackson, "(Prince, obviously reluctant, does not want to dwell on the subject.) It is always sad to lose someone you loved."

http://www.michaeljackson...ode/345962

Prince is always prideful and doesn't like to share his inner feelings about his peers.

I'm itching to see a documentary about these guys... and their long lost rivalry.

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Reply #26 posted 02/24/14 1:21am

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Convenient for Prince to say these things now...(he who refused all genuine attempts for meaningful collaboration).

Prince NEVER did right for Michael...and we need to remember, he rarely gave superlatives to Michael when he was...ALIVE.

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Sony has announced that it has worked with the estate of Michael Jackson on the launch of its new Xperia Z2 smartphone.

An advert for the handset featuring Jackson's unreleased track 'Slave 2 The Rhythm' was shown to press at MWC.

Sony Xperia Z2 phone

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Sony Xperia Z2 phone

Michael Jackson performing.

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Michael Jackson


Sony Xperia Z2 hands-on p...m Sony yet

The song was worked on during Jackson's Dangerous sessions and completed in 1998, before leaking onto the internet in 2010. A version featuring vocals from Justin Bieber emerged online in August 2013.

Buyers of the smartphone are reportedly being treated to 'something special' around Jackson's music.

What exactly it is remains to be seen, but given Sony Music's ties with Jackson's current music library, it is possible users will see tracks bundled with the device.

The smartphone is unique in that it features a digital noise cancelling processor in the handset, providing improved sound quality in noisy environments with its included headphones.

Sony has promised more information on the Michael Jackson news over the coming weeks.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a553283/sony-working-with-michael-jackson-on-special-xperia-z2-smartphone-launch.html


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http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12700000/Michael-the-thriller-era-12703763-800-564.jpg

Bruce Springsteen & Michael Jackson

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