mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

I told you, I'm cool on MJ fans associated with that KOP forum.....so you can run and tell them that because I ain't missing nothing there.....it's there loss...

it's funny how king of pop fans can crash every other fan forum but they never allow that to happen to them......shows how desperate the majority of them act to uphold all the lies

this situation as never been funny.....it stopped being about the music decades ago....this ain't no game to me.....

this family dynamic was destroyed a quarter a century ago, to exploit the family's most successful member

the guy wasn't speaking to his family for 2 years at a time, and the people he developed relationships with is who got him in trouble and during this most daring hour, his "friends" bailed on him and the only people who showed up at that trial was his family.....

even Prince himself spoke on it back in 1989, the year he produced soundtrack for the original Batman Movie

[Prince video snip - luv4u]

on and let me not forget, even Jermaine Jackson said how his family was being exploited back in 1991, right after he released his last studio album YOU SAID, before his career was juked out. The stories about "abuse" were lies....I never believed in that crap

http://www.youtube.com/wa...zgUjPui3m0

and the moment Michael Jackson transformed his being, at that moment, it DID become about race as he internalized the racial conflict and he manifested that physically.....

and if you think I'm lying about marlon jackson and what he laid down in 1987....

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/wa...=endscreen

all of the brothers were doing there on things, and didn't need to ride on Mike's coattails....especially when you knock the title track from the most anticipated follow up album in history off the top spot

the lies eventually give way to the truth and hit a brick wall

you're believing in all lies, and that's why you've been juked, so when you respond again you'll be talking to all air, you can run and tell KOP what's up

[Edited 8/4/12 7:31am]

This is Jennifer1 Scorpion and its going on a year since I have been on KOP actively, dont go there anymore and if I do its mostly to lurk once in a while for MJ info.

Secondly, there are millions of other fans here of other artists besides Prince and there is no issue in criticizing Michael but this thread is not about that. Dont come on this forum and try to put someone in check. I dont know why you were on KOP anyway because its clear you dont like Michael but you love trashing him.

Lastly, WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS ABOUT MICHAEL?

Michael has NOT done anything here. This is not about him. This is about the BEHAVIOR of his family over the last couple of weeks. Nothing you say can change that. So continue with your long rants on how crazy Michael is when this is not about that.

THIS is about the actions of his family over the last couple of weeks, Katherines well being, and his children. You always try to find an excuse just to trash Michael..... pathetic.

This is about the disrespect towards The Jackson family without reason. That is what this thread is about.

The letter is requesting the resignation of the executives; nothing more, nothing less.

But MJ fans, with their absurd accusations and their astonishingly concieved assumptions have derailed this situation into something it is not. The reason MJ fans have done this, is because they disrespect The Jackson family without reason. Scorp is merely explaining why this injustice has happened.

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

I told you, I'm cool on MJ fans associated with that KOP forum.....so you can run and tell them that because I ain't missing nothing there.....it's there loss...

it's funny how king of pop fans can crash every other fan forum but they never allow that to happen to them......shows how desperate the majority of them act to uphold all the lies

this situation as never been funny.....it stopped being about the music decades ago....this ain't no game to me.....

this family dynamic was destroyed a quarter a century ago, to exploit the family's most successful member

the guy wasn't speaking to his family for 2 years at a time, and the people he developed relationships with is who got him in trouble and during this most daring hour, his "friends" bailed on him and the only people who showed up at that trial was his family.....

even Prince himself spoke on it back in 1989, the year he produced soundtrack for the original Batman Movie

[Prince video snip - luv4u]

on and let me not forget, even Jermaine Jackson said how his family was being exploited back in 1991, right after he released his last studio album YOU SAID, before his career was juked out. The stories about "abuse" were lies....I never believed in that crap

http://www.youtube.com/wa...zgUjPui3m0

and the moment Michael Jackson transformed his being, at that moment, it DID become about race as he internalized the racial conflict and he manifested that physically.....

and if you think I'm lying about marlon jackson and what he laid down in 1987....

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/wa...=endscreen

all of the brothers were doing there on things, and didn't need to ride on Mike's coattails....especially when you knock the title track from the most anticipated follow up album in history off the top spot

the lies eventually give way to the truth and hit a brick wall

you're believing in all lies, and that's why you've been juked, so when you respond again you'll be talking to all air, you can run and tell KOP what's up

[Edited 8/4/12 7:31am]

This is Jennifer1 Scorpion and its going on a year since I have been on KOP actively, dont go there anymore and if I do its mostly to lurk once in a while for MJ info.

Secondly, there are millions of other fans here of other artists besides Prince and there is no issue in criticizing Michael but this thread is not about that. Dont come on this forum and try to put someone in check. I dont know why you were on KOP anyway because its clear you dont like Michael but you love trashing him.

Lastly, WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS ABOUT MICHAEL?

Michael has NOT done anything here. This is not about him. This is about the BEHAVIOR of his family over the last couple of weeks. Nothing you say can change that. So continue with your long rants on how crazy Michael is when this is not about that.

THIS is about the actions of his family over the last couple of weeks, Katherines well being, and his children. You always try to find an excuse just to trash Michael..... pathetic.

I know who you are

KOP ain't the only forum providing news about this man because most of the information they post is shaped on lies anyway. I don't need that information

those from back in the day, those who grew up on J-5 music when this stuff meant something already knew he was heading down a perilous path once he partook in that transformation, an action happened because he was drawn away from opportunist w/in the industry, and once they happened, they destroyed the family dynamic altogether, which directly ties in what was is going on today

there is no legit way to handle a situation based on a lie to begin with

even before his fiasco happened, his fans were already pissin on his family, and they've been doing it for 20 years, as well as commercial media....

and I wouldn't bring up people, or fans caring about Katherine's well being since many of them have cursed her out and called her every vile name in the book...adding insult to injury, cursing out an 82 year old woman in the process

and it DOES have to do w/their color since I"ve seen many of his fans, they've been calling them n****s outright.....they've been calling them that on youtbue, tmz, and the like...so if they are calling them that, then it DOES pertain to race, and tha'ts what's so said, it didnt have to be this way. How in the world can you sit there and say it's not about race when people calling them the N-WORD

as far as Michael goes, he discredited himself, he hurt his own self, whereas during his years of glory, he received the respect of a nation as his talent captivated all of us, he was not the subject of the ridicule and scrutiny he received after THRILLER

this whole situation wouldn't be taking place now if he saw things different after reaching the pinnacle, and it would have really been all about the music

I don't hate anyone, I hate what he felt he needed to do, which brought forth his self destruction, and very few people want to admit that.....

the entire notion about Janet hounding for money is bogus, thats what allot of this issue is centered around, that notion......

the lies has the world believing Joe Jackson was a monster when he wasn't

if those 3 kids inherit that estate, they will gain more than Michael's music, but that of the J-5 too, music presented to audiences around the world by all of the brothers, and for them to wind up w/nothing when the put their work in to build up that name, that would be a crime....period

so if you respond back, I'm not talkin w/you anymore

[Edited 8/4/12 8:03am]

Right.... so everything that occured over the last couple of weeks is Michael Jacksons fault since he made his siblings do all those things........ okay.

Azz you do not know Scorpio Ive known him longer than you and I know how he really feels about Michael... so why not just hush up about things you dont know about His long rant doesnt mean he knows anything about the Jacksons, he knows just about the same as all of us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this thread has turned ridiculous now. This thread has turned into bashing Michael and more so about Michael then the Jackson family. Regardless of what you lunatic psychotic MJ haters think in you delusional mind and yes that includes you to Azz it doesnt change the original thread topic which is Katherine Jackson Reported Missing/Jackson Family drama. What occured over the last 3 weeks had nothing to do with Michael. Michael didnt make his siblings do those things that they did. It is irrelevant to constantly bring him up just to insult him to revert this thread from the original topic. Its just a another scheme for the non MJ fans to do because they have no other arguement and they are indenial of the Jackson family behavior.

Its uselss to even go back in forth anymore because you pressed individuals will just change whatever is said and make it about Michael.........

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

This is Jennifer1 Scorpion and its going on a year since I have been on KOP actively, dont go there anymore and if I do its mostly to lurk once in a while for MJ info.

Secondly, there are millions of other fans here of other artists besides Prince and there is no issue in criticizing Michael but this thread is not about that. Dont come on this forum and try to put someone in check. I dont know why you were on KOP anyway because its clear you dont like Michael but you love trashing him.

Lastly, WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS ABOUT MICHAEL?

Michael has NOT done anything here. This is not about him. This is about the BEHAVIOR of his family over the last couple of weeks. Nothing you say can change that. So continue with your long rants on how crazy Michael is when this is not about that.

THIS is about the actions of his family over the last couple of weeks, Katherines well being, and his children. You always try to find an excuse just to trash Michael..... pathetic.

I know who you are

KOP ain't the only forum providing news about this man because most of the information they post is shaped on lies anyway. I don't need that information

those from back in the day, those who grew up on J-5 music when this stuff meant something already knew he was heading down a perilous path once he partook in that transformation, an action happened because he was drawn away from opportunist w/in the industry, and once they happened, they destroyed the family dynamic altogether, which directly ties in what was is going on today

there is no legit way to handle a situation based on a lie to begin with

even before his fiasco happened, his fans were already pissin on his family, and they've been doing it for 20 years, as well as commercial media....

and I wouldn't bring up people, or fans caring about Katherine's well being since many of them have cursed her out and called her every vile name in the book...adding insult to injury, cursing out an 82 year old woman in the process

and it DOES have to do w/their color since I"ve seen many of his fans, they've been calling them n****s outright.....they've been calling them that on youtbue, tmz, and the like...so if they are calling them that, then it DOES pertain to race, and tha'ts what's so said, it didnt have to be this way. How in the world can you sit there and say it's not about race when people calling them the N-WORD

as far as Michael goes, he discredited himself, he hurt his own self, whereas during his years of glory, he received the respect of a nation as his talent captivated all of us, he was not the subject of the ridicule and scrutiny he received after THRILLER

this whole situation wouldn't be taking place now if he saw things different after reaching the pinnacle, and it would have really been all about the music

I don't hate anyone, I hate what he felt he needed to do, which brought forth his self destruction, and very few people want to admit that.....

the entire notion about Janet hounding for money is bogus, thats what allot of this issue is centered around, that notion......

the lies has the world believing Joe Jackson was a monster when he wasn't

if those 3 kids inherit that estate, they will gain more than Michael's music, but that of the J-5 too, music presented to audiences around the world by all of the brothers, and for them to wind up w/nothing when the put their work in to build up that name, that would be a crime....period

so if you respond back, I'm not talkin w/you anymore

[Edited 8/4/12 8:03am]

And please ask me if I give a flying fuck? and I would hope you dont respond back to me either anytime you dont want to hold a discussion just because someone differs in opinion and clearly shows your agenda here. Im not going to kiss your ass.

Lurking doesnt mean I solely rely on ONE forum for information or means I like the forum. I grew up on that forum so naturally Im going to go back from time to time regarless of how fucked up it may be now...

and they report the same news over there like they do over here and like they do on the internet or anywhere else...

You have crossed the line with me and what is funny is I exactly used to admire that you made left field opinions but no Im not going to sit back and be quiet while I know you have a right to your opinion...... so DO I.

I dont have a problem with you having an opinion but you clearly do NOT like Michael and you are very judgemental and you push your posts as if they are facts when they are just opinions... Your making a situation that has nothing to do with Michael about him just to vent your twisted obsession with Michael hating himself, family and blackness... its tired. This thread is not remotely about any of that.

[Edited 8/4/12 8:46am]

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

I dont see how you can sit here and honestly say this. It has been proven numerous times before and after Michael died that the family has used him for money and even after death has exploited his children... it doesnt take a genius to see that. His OWN family has used the MEDIA to exploit their own brother and trash him and his children. Randy had no business tweeting that letter to the Estate publicly to the begin with. This has NOTHING to do with Michael.

Michael was trashed all these years in the media because he was an African American. What point are you making? This has NOTHING to do with skin color. This has everything to do with the actions and choices of the Jackson Family. Nobody is bashing them because they are African American, over the past weeks they have made shady choices that it appears maybe geared toward money. And just because their attorney made this letter 3 weeks to late, doesnt mean greed is not driven behind. Greed is not necessarily related to JUST money either.

[Edited 8/4/12 7:04am]

Scorpio knows more than all of us about The Jackson family. He's been following them since before you were born. I think a little respect is in order.

Secondly, Michael Jackson was the best selling, most successful artist of all time when he released Thriller. He had surpassed the racial boundaries. I agree that his change in skin colour was the source of everything that went wrong later in his life.

[Edited 8/4/12 7:48am]

I appreciate your support and understanding

I'm not trying to discredit anyone, or change the direction of the thread

I'm just showing how past actions have shaped how people feel about this present situation

because many of MJ fans and commercial media put the crap out there that the family is out for this man's money,

but 22 years ago, all of the brothers were shaping their own successful careers, and would have done so all along if moves weren't made to curtail those efforts.....

and because of the perception they are LAZY, that's why MJ fans insinuate they are money grabbers when that's not the case

and yes, nobody has ever disputed Michael's greatness, 25 million people sure attested to it in America when we all bought THRILLER.....the problems started immediately has his physical appearance changed, and led to everything we have witnessed over time.......one flare up after another.....

I've watched this entire thing unfold, there's nothing to have to exaggerate, this has caused a mess and divided people when back in the day, we all stood as one....

also, back in the day, if you were a fan of Janet, you were a fan of Michael, and you were a fan of all of the other siblings who put out music

that's not the case anymore and it's so sad....

mjscarousal said:

Right.... so everything that occured over the last couple of weeks is Michael Jacksons fault since he made his siblings do all those things........ okay.

Azz you do not know Scorpio Ive known him longer than you and I know how he really feels about Michael... so why not just hush up about things you dont know about His long rant doesnt mean he knows anything about the Jacksons, he knows just about the same as all of us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this thread has turned ridiculous now. This thread has turned into bashing Michael and more so about Michael then the Jackson family. Regardless of what you lunatic psychotic MJ haters think in you delusional mind and yes that includes you to Azz it doesnt change the original thread topic which is Katherine Jackson Reported Missing/Jackson Family drama. What occured over the last 3 weeks had nothing to do with Michael. Michael didnt make his siblings do those things that they did. It is irrelevant to constantly bring him up just to insult him to revert this thread from the original topic. Its just a another scheme for the non MJ fans to do because they have no other arguement and they are indenial of the Jackson family behavior.

Its uselss to even go back in forth anymore because you pressed individuals will just change whatever is said and make it about Michael.........

But I'm not a psychotic MJ hater, or a MJ hater at that.

mjscarousal said:

Right.... so everything that occured over the last couple of weeks is Michael Jacksons fault since he made his siblings do all those things........ okay.

Azz you do not know Scorpio Ive known him longer than you and I know how he really feels about Michael... so why not just hush up about things you dont know about His long rant doesnt mean he knows anything about the Jacksons, he knows just about the same as all of us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this thread has turned ridiculous now. This thread has turned into bashing Michael and more so about Michael then the Jackson family. Regardless of what you lunatic psychotic MJ haters think in you delusional mind and yes that includes you to Azz it doesnt change the original thread topic which is Katherine Jackson Reported Missing/Jackson Family drama. What occured over the last 3 weeks had nothing to do with Michael. Michael didnt make his siblings do those things that they did. It is irrelevant to constantly bring him up just to insult him to revert this thread from the original topic. Its just a another scheme for the non MJ fans to do because they have no other arguement and they are indenial of the Jackson family behavior.

Its uselss to even go back in forth anymore because you pressed individuals will just change whatever is said and make it about Michael.........

C'mon girl..you know "Hate-Azz" and the rest of the trolls gon' throw shade. Because even though Michael's presence isn't even in this world anymore, these vultures would like to dance on his grave with the same bullshit that plagued the man in life.

This ain't a Michael Jackson haterade thread. This is a discussion about the drama that's currently going on in his family over his Estate. Can we keep it that way?

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

mjscarousal said:

Right.... so everything that occured over the last couple of weeks is Michael Jacksons fault since he made his siblings do all those things........ okay.

Azz you do not know Scorpio Ive known him longer than you and I know how he really feels about Michael... so why not just hush up about things you dont know about His long rant doesnt mean he knows anything about the Jacksons, he knows just about the same as all of us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this thread has turned ridiculous now. This thread has turned into bashing Michael and more so about Michael then the Jackson family. Regardless of what you lunatic psychotic MJ haters think in you delusional mind and yes that includes you to Azz it doesnt change the original thread topic which is Katherine Jackson Reported Missing/Jackson Family drama. What occured over the last 3 weeks had nothing to do with Michael. Michael didnt make his siblings do those things that they did. It is irrelevant to constantly bring him up just to insult him to revert this thread from the original topic. Its just a another scheme for the non MJ fans to do because they have no other arguement and they are indenial of the Jackson family behavior.

Its uselss to even go back in forth anymore because you pressed individuals will just change whatever is said and make it about Michael.........

C'mon girl..you know "Hate-Azz" and the rest of the trolls gon' throw shade. Because even though Michael's presence isn't even in this world anymore, these vultures would like to dance on his grave with the same bullshit that plagued the man in life.

This ain't a Michael Jackson haterade thread. This is a discussion about the drama that's currently going on in his family over his Estate. Can we keep it that way?

Tabloids and websites like TMZ plagued MJ's life. The same tabloids and websites that MJ's fans are now using to plague the rest of the family.

Azz said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

C'mon girl..you know "Hate-Azz" and the rest of the trolls gon' throw shade. Because even though Michael's presence isn't even in this world anymore, these vultures would like to dance on his grave with the same bullshit that plagued the man in life.

This ain't a Michael Jackson haterade thread. This is a discussion about the drama that's currently going on in his family over his Estate. Can we keep it that way?

Tabloids and websites like TMZ plagued MJ's life. The same tabloids and websites that MJ's fans are now using to plague the rest of the family.

Throwing rocks and already hiding your hands, huh?

So if you're not a "hater", I take it the comments about his children, his skin condition, and plastic surgery was just you suffering from diarrhea of the mouth?

Take some Imodium for that and call if your condition worsens.

[Edited 8/4/12 9:34am]

Scorp said:

Azz said:

Scorpio knows more than all of us about The Jackson family. He's been following them since before you were born. I think a little respect is in order.

Secondly, Michael Jackson was the best selling, most successful artist of all time when he released Thriller. He had surpassed the racial boundaries. I agree that his change in skin colour was the source of everything that went wrong later in his life.

[Edited 8/4/12 7:48am]

I appreciate your support and understanding

I'm not trying to discredit anyone, or change the direction of the thread

I'm just showing how past actions have shaped how people feel about this present situation

because many of MJ fans and commercial media put the crap out there that the family is out for this man's money,

but 22 years ago, all of the brothers were shaping their own successful careers, and would have done so all along if moves weren't made to curtail those efforts.....

and because of the perception they are LAZY, that's why MJ fans insinuate they are money grabbers when that's not the case

and yes, nobody has ever disputed Michael's greatness, 25 million people sure attested to it in America when we all bought THRILLER.....the problems started immediately has his physical appearance changed, and led to everything we have witnessed over time.......one flare up after another.....

I've watched this entire thing unfold, there's nothing to have to exaggerate, this has caused a mess and divided people when back in the day, we all stood as one....

also, back in the day, if you were a fan of Janet, you were a fan of Michael, and you were a fan of all of the other siblings who put out music

that's not the case anymore and it's so sad....

You, Azz and Seanman make sense. I appreciate the calm, cool and collectiveness of your posts.

DawnD said:

Scorp said:

I appreciate your support and understanding

I'm not trying to discredit anyone, or change the direction of the thread

I'm just showing how past actions have shaped how people feel about this present situation

because many of MJ fans and commercial media put the crap out there that the family is out for this man's money,

but 22 years ago, all of the brothers were shaping their own successful careers, and would have done so all along if moves weren't made to curtail those efforts.....

and because of the perception they are LAZY, that's why MJ fans insinuate they are money grabbers when that's not the case

and yes, nobody has ever disputed Michael's greatness, 25 million people sure attested to it in America when we all bought THRILLER.....the problems started immediately has his physical appearance changed, and led to everything we have witnessed over time.......one flare up after another.....

I've watched this entire thing unfold, there's nothing to have to exaggerate, this has caused a mess and divided people when back in the day, we all stood as one....

also, back in the day, if you were a fan of Janet, you were a fan of Michael, and you were a fan of all of the other siblings who put out music

that's not the case anymore and it's so sad....

You, Azz and Seanman make sense. I appreciate the calm, cool and collectiveness of your posts.

"Got a chip upon your shoulder

I just knocked it off

Show me what you're gonna do

I ain't 'bout to run

You have just run out of ammunition

Shootin' blanks now

You son of a gun..."

can one of you estate defenders answer this...the family members were supposedly banned from the house to 'protect' the kids right, jermaine was on the list which means they considered him one of the 'threats' to the kids. if jermaine is now allowed to enter the house how did simply removing his name from a letter make him no longer a 'threat' to the kids? also katherine's statement from her own mouth had to be forced but the statment lawyers had her sign couldnt possibly be manipulated right? like i said before i find it very interesting that the siblings being accused of wanting money are the only ones who hasnt attached themselves to anything mj or his kids related since his death.randy hardly has a relationship with his kids yet they are banned from their grandmother's house because why?how did the mj estate gain so much power over the entire jackson family, i'll tell you how, through intimidation,manipulation, and the ole divide and conquer tactic.randy has been against these men from day 1 but they knew he couldnt go toe to toe with them, janet being involved has kinda leveled the playing field so they had to find a way to discredit her, what better way then to have the kids launch a public dispute with their mean,cold auntie.the thing is the regular general public dont really care about this and janet dont care what the mj stans think about her,and she's not some up and coming artist worried about her career, so they gonna just have to fight it out with her because she's not gonna back down.

Enough of the name calling, trolling, derailing from the topic, and all the bitching and other crap going on.