Azz said:

The 81% statistic more or less proves I was right. I expect a reponse attempting to save face.

"Research shows that 12.9 percent of people who primarily abuse Lorazepam also abuse another drug, and 82.1 percent of people who primarily abuse another drug also abuse Lorazepam."

I find it funny that you chose to ignore the statistics.

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1) LOL Omg you are so funny! You didn't have anything of the such in the first place which is why I told you to provide a source in the first place. No you are acting as if I'm ignoring the information you are adding as you edit your posts? You are a riot.

2) According to the Atlanta Police Department as of May 2012: In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary.

So that means that black Americans, especially in Atlanta, are more inclined to crime, because it's statiscally proven amirite? Which is why things such as racial profiling deserve to exist correct, because the statistics are correct? This is, basically, what you are saying when you claim that what you did even though, again, there's really no outright proof of it. Especially when we are talking about a drug commonly found in 'dead drug addicts.'

aardvark15 said:

Unholyalliance said:

No, this thread is about Katherine missing. This has nothing to do with MJ personally.

If this isn't an MJ related thread than why exactly is it in the music forum?

You are right...it's not as if Michael Jackson also had any siblings that were into music. Not at all. I tend to forget he was the only child.

Unholyalliance said:

Azz said:

The 81% statistic more or less proves I was right. I expect a reponse attempting to save face.

"Research shows that 12.9 percent of people who primarily abuse Lorazepam also abuse another drug, and 82.1 percent of people who primarily abuse another drug also abuse Lorazepam."

I find it funny that you chose to ignore the statistics.

[Edited 8/3/12 20:24pm]

1) LOL Omg you are so funny! You didn't have anything of the such in the first place which is why I told you to provide a source in the first place. No you are acting as if I'm ignoring the information you are adding as you edit your posts? You are a riot.

2) According to the Atlanta Police Department as of May 2012: In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary.

So that means that black Americans, especially in Atlanta, are more inclined to crime, because it's statiscally proven amirite? Which is why things such as racial profiling deserve to exist correct, because the statistics are correct? This is, basically, what you are saying when you claim that what you did even though, again, there's really no outright proof of it. Especially when we are talking about a drug commonly found in 'dead drug addicts.'

So because you were wrong, you are now leading this into a never-ending argument about the realistic and truthful conclusions we can draw from statistics........

OK. I think I'm done for the day.

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Azz said:

So because you were wrong, you are now leading this into a never-ending argument about the realistic and truthful conclusions we can draw from statistics........

OK. I think I'm done for the day.

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You were done a long time ago, because you still have no proof for the drug COMMONLY being found in DEAD DRUG ADDICTS. When you have that proof and the source of it, then we can talk about you being right. Until then, keep googling. Or ask that 'doctor' you are related to.

Unholyalliance said:

aardvark15 said:

If this isn't an MJ related thread than why exactly is it in the music forum?

You are right...it's not as if Michael Jackson also had any siblings that were into music. Not at all. I tend to forget he was the only child.

The only one you (and a lot of others on this thread) care about. Count how many times "Michael Jackson's mother" is used. They aren't referring to Janet (I'm a fan BTW) or Jermaine that's for sure.

aardvark15 said:

The only one you (and a lot of others on this thread) care about. Count how many times "Michael Jackson's mother" is used. They aren't referring to Janet (I'm a fan BTW) or Jermaine that's for sure.

Please don't be presumptuous like that. Also, it doesn't matter, it's still a Jacksons related thread.

Analyst said:

Azz said:

Oop. Janet's lawyer just repeated everything I have said.

I've always loved how Janet stands by what she believes in. She would never have signed the letter, if she did not believe in what it stood for.

That is an excellent letter.

Now, if MJ fans and random jackasses are still talking shit, it's because they just want to shit on the family. They can't hide behind the excuse that they're just 'concerned about the kids welfare' anymore...

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it's already known that even if this will proves to be a fake that none of the siblings stand anything to gain from it...directly. I even asked that question in the first thread and someone answered it. Also, I have an issue with the 'estate wanting to cut off Katherine from those who were against the will.' Even if that wasn't the intent it's looks like the three of them were keeping the grandkids from their grandmother. Katherine even mentioned that she was led out of the state and had no idea what was going on. This would have been avoided had they just let the woman talk to her grandkids...unless there's something else amidst. Someone already suggested that if the will does become invalidated that there might be a chance that Katherine would get a bigger piece of the pie which would be enough to share with the rest of the family though.

Knowing all this I don't understand why you guys are doing some weird kind of victory dance as if they have all been cleared of suspicion or something.

The letter is nothing more than a PR spin to try and turn this trainwreck around, bout time, but bout a week too late.

I've said it before and repeat it Prince and Paris need to lawyer up and emancipate and remove themselves from this shady family.

That letter is nothing more than damage control,but it's a little too late for that.Furthermore,if Janet,Rebbie,Jermaine and Rebbie truly think MJ's will is fake,why don't they simply hire a lawyer,file charges and take the executors to court? Their scandalous actions created all this drama and nearly cost Katherine custody of her grandkids.From now on,she should keep her guard up and be very careful about who she trusts.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Katherine insisted that Michael bleached his skin and described his nose in a insulting way and called him a liar.

Michael did change his skin colour, either by bleaching or by creams. If he simply had vitiligo, his skin would be patchy, not one colour.

Of course...because you're the expert on such a medical condition.

The internet is really a beautiful thing!

Unholyalliance said:

Analyst said:

That is an excellent letter.

Now, if MJ fans and random jackasses are still talking shit, it's because they just want to shit on the family. They can't hide behind the excuse that they're just 'concerned about the kids welfare' anymore...

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it's already known that even if this will proves to be a fake that none of the siblings stand anything to gain from it...directly. I even asked that question in the first thread and someone answered it. Also, I have an issue with the 'estate wanting to cut off Katherine from those who were against the will.' Even if that wasn't the intent it's looks like the three of them were keeping the grandkids from their grandmother. Katherine even mentioned that she was led out of the state and had no idea what was going on. This would have been avoided had they just let the woman talk to her grandkids...unless there's something else amidst. Someone already suggested that if the will does become invalidated that there might be a chance that Katherine would get a bigger piece of the pie which would be enough to share with the rest of the family though.

Knowing all this I don't understand why you guys are doing some weird kind of victory dance as if they have all been cleared of suspicion or something.

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

SoulAlive said:

if Janet,Rebbie,Jermaine and Rebbie truly think MJ's will is fake,why don't they simply hire a lawyer,file charges and take the executors to court? Their scandalous actions created all this drama and nearly cost Katherine custody of her grandkids.From now on,she should keep her guard up and be very careful about who she trusts.

Analyst said:

Unholyalliance said:

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it's already known that even if this will proves to be a fake that none of the siblings stand anything to gain from it...directly. I even asked that question in the first thread and someone answered it. Also, I have an issue with the 'estate wanting to cut off Katherine from those who were against the will.' Even if that wasn't the intent it's looks like the three of them were keeping the grandkids from their grandmother. Katherine even mentioned that she was led out of the state and had no idea what was going on. This would have been avoided had they just let the woman talk to her grandkids...unless there's something else amidst. Someone already suggested that if the will does become invalidated that there might be a chance that Katherine would get a bigger piece of the pie which would be enough to share with the rest of the family though.

Knowing all this I don't understand why you guys are doing some weird kind of victory dance as if they have all been cleared of suspicion or something.

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

Finally some common sense being spoken on here about this situation. This whole story began with the family wanting the executors to resign, period. That's it.

It wasn't until Paris had to open up her big mouth and defended the executors and, it fucked up the whole game and made her family look like the bad guys. That little girl should've never spoke on some grown folks shit. I wish Janet would've slap the shit out of her, that's one of my favorite quotes from the Godfather, don't ever take sides with anyone against the family.

It's very easy to accuse the family of being money hungry, that's some basic shit. But folks don't know how much each of the family members are worth, folks honestly believe this family is broke without Michael's paper. This family is more popular all over the world, and they can get money anywhere, even Latoya's ass can get broke off some paper overseas.

Azz said:

isobelfq said:

my response to the vitaligo comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6nv-CK4xQ

watch it.

I believe whitening creams were found in Michael Jackson's house. I'm pretty sure I remember reading something along those lines. Whether it was tabloid lies, remains to be seen. But it does support what katherine has said, and the fact that he managed to mostly be seen with one skin colour rather than patches on his face and arms.

I know someone with Vitiligo who told me his doctor told him Michael took shots to remove his pigment rather than have patches and have to wear makeup. His doctor offered him the same option

SoulAlive said:

That letter is nothing more than damage control,but it's a little too late for that.Furthermore,if Janet,Rebbie,Jermaine and Rebbie truly think MJ's will is fake,why don't they simply hire a lawyer,file charges and take the executors to court? Their scandalous actions created all this drama and nearly cost Katherine custody of her grandkids.From now on,she should keep her guard up and be very careful about who she trusts.

they don't have the standing to do anything b/c they are not beneficiaries. kat, however, does, which is why they apparently wanted to get her away from the house and go to work on her to convince her to challenge them.

several problems, though. i don't think that any of kat's lawyers, past or present, will agree to help her do that. the time to challenge the will, including the execs, elapsed long ago; the previous 1997 will names the same people as executors and bears mj's signature - unless they are saying that will is invalid b/c mj was somewhere else on that occasion, too; and more importantly, the siblings have not clarified just exactly how the execs have not done what is in the interest of mj's kids or kat. nothing in the recently released court docs supports their case. the kids are getting $70K EACH per month for their care. kat not only get her allowance, but the execs have loaned her over $6 million against her 40% share in the last year alone. they have entered into business deals that have brought in $475 million, and in the next month there will be a big push for the re-release of bad, which will include a doc from spike lee. how is any of this NOT in the best long-term interests of mj3? the last letter implied that they already had the info and evidence against the execs at hand; now they're still looking to uncover it? well, whatever, i guess.

the jacksons have their defenders, but under the circumstances, particular kat's convoluted and contradictory statements about her absence, i can't be one of them. janet had her lawyer release this letter on a friday, after-hours which some media types characterize as a "document dump". this is what happens when the govt has some bad news to release, they do it on a friday at a time when the major news orgs have already run their major broadcasts so that by the time the weekend is over, everyone will either have forgotten all about it, or it will be displaced as a major story. by this time next week, all of this will be over, all of it.

thatruth said:

Analyst said:

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

Finally some common sense being spoken on here about this situation. This whole story began with the family wanting the executors to resign, period. That's it.

It wasn't until Paris had to open up her big mouth and defended the executors and, it fucked up the whole game and made her family look like the bad guys. That little girl should've never spoke on some grown folks shit. I wish Janet would've slap the shit out of her, that's one of my favorite quotes from the Godfather, don't ever take sides with anyone against the family.

It's very easy to accuse the family of being money hungry, that's some basic shit. But folks don't know how much each of the family members are worth, folks honestly believe this family is broke without Michael's paper. This family is more popular all over the world, and they can get money anywhere, even Latoya's ass can get broke off some paper overseas.

That's why some of them owe so much in alimony.

Some individuals call MJ fans deluded believing what the media feed you, yet they have just posted two pages trying to claim MJ did not have a vitiligo and that he was an addict while his organs remained miracously untouched by it. All those things have been cleared in court by experts based on MJ's actual medical records and autopsy. Those who followed the trial know damn well how desperate Flanagan and others were to prove he was an addict and how they failed. That does not seem to bother them. They are just posting stupid statistics which have nothing to do with MJ specifically. So you may continue with your

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Scorp said:

He never had it....the day after the interview, his sisters responded while conducting their own live interview w/a urban radio station and said point blank, there was nobody in their family who had a skin disorder as Michael contended.....

[Edited 8/3/12 17:34pm]

Which sisters are you talking about?

dag said:

Scorp said:

[Edited 8/3/12 17:34pm]

Which sisters are you talking about?

I've often wondered why no one ever questions LaToya's skin color.

Yes she had the lightest color brown in the group, but she was not that pale growing up, nor as a young adult.

WaterInYourBath said:

I've often wondered why no one ever questions LaToya's skin color.

Yes she had the lightest color brown in the group, but she was not that pale growing up, nor as a young adult.

She has vitiligo aswell; it runs in the family. So much so, that even Michael's non biological child has it.

Analyst said:

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

You always believe everything you read, eh?

If this was a legitimate complaint why not challenge will formally when there was an actual opportunity to do so? Why wait so late? That doesn't make any sense? Why only do so when it's announced that the estate is worth 1 billion? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Analyst said:

Unholyalliance said:

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it's already known that even if this will proves to be a fake that none of the siblings stand anything to gain from it...directly. I even asked that question in the first thread and someone answered it. Also, I have an issue with the 'estate wanting to cut off Katherine from those who were against the will.' Even if that wasn't the intent it's looks like the three of them were keeping the grandkids from their grandmother. Katherine even mentioned that she was led out of the state and had no idea what was going on. This would have been avoided had they just let the woman talk to her grandkids...unless there's something else amidst. Someone already suggested that if the will does become invalidated that there might be a chance that Katherine would get a bigger piece of the pie which would be enough to share with the rest of the family though.

Knowing all this I don't understand why you guys are doing some weird kind of victory dance as if they have all been cleared of suspicion or something.

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

great points....if his family shared the same skin complexion that Mike gravitated to in the pats 25 years, his fans wouldn't be saying anything, or making any suggestion his family is out for his money.........I think it's quite sad we even have to indulge in these type of situations to begin with

Janet has been recording music since 1982, yeaaaaaaaars before many of MJ's current following were even born

and this is something current MJ fans commercial media and the public at large need to consider:

People don’t know Marlon Jackson worked with Michael in creating the dance routines the brothers performed during the TRIUMPH TOUR of 1981, which was the best tour Michael ever did. They don’t know Randy Jackson co-wrote SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND with Michael, which many music critics recognize as the greatest disco record ever made.

Let me not forget, Randy helped develop the rhythm arrangement Michael crafted for DON’T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH, the first song Michael ever released as an adult solo artist. The concept Mike used during his solo tours where he would disappear and then reappear in the cloud of smoke, that started with the Triumph Tour. The moment where he runs to the right side of the stage holding up the lighted torch during the History Tour, that was a concept brought forth by Michael, Randy, and Marlon together

Randy also co-wrote a number of songs with Michael on the Jacksons album TRIUMPH such as LOVELY ONE while crafting the rhythm arrangements. What about brother Jackie, he co-wrote the Jacksons’ epic song on the Triumph album CAN YOU FEEL IT, lyrics that truly elevate the conscious. And he also acted as the sole writer for the song TORTURE from their album VICTORY, a song that still proves recognizable to this day. And while J5 performed on stage, Jermaine and Tito executed the intricate dance routines while playing the guitar at the same time. Jermaine was playing bass hooked up to an amplifier and Tito playing electric guitar. So when we add in all these factors, there’s no way Michael Jackson broke ground by himself. That MEANS his brothers weren’t lazy because they shed blood, sweat, and tear on that stage right along with Michael. The energy produced by J-5’s showmanship fueled Michael’s talent as he produced his most groundbreaking work during the beginning stage of his solo career. The brothers didn’t stand on that stage as props, as fill-ins, as statues. They earned their keep too and whatever they earn from this point on is well deserved, especially due to the fact their careers have been sabotaged for the past 20 years.

All of the evidence is there for all of us to see for ourselves, all one has to do is view the album credits for those albums I mentioned...

Truth be told, if it wasn’t for Tito acting so precociously playing his father’s guitar without permission during their years in Gary, Indiana, J-5 would have never been discovered, they would have never broke bread.

Why did it appear that the family, particularly the brothers have had to rely on Michael’s success all these years? It’s because the brothers’ careers were sabotaged, beginning in 1989 as the brothers were enjoyed a great level of success with their album 2300 JACKSON STREET released that year. That album reached #1 status on the R&B charts, after releasing two stellar singles: the title track as well as the song NOTHIN THAT COMPARES TO U. Both songs received constant airplay on urban radio.

During that summer Randy Jackson debut his solo career by releasing an album with a group he founded: RANDY AND THE GYPSIES releasing the single PERPETRATORS that shot up to #1 on the charts as well, and album so good, brother Jackie said Randy’s album was even better than Janet Jackson’s upcoming album (Rhythm Nation). His album was on its way to reaching platinum status.

Jackie released his solo album STAY in 1989 as well, earning gold status.

Marlon Jackson had released his debut solo album in 1987 titled BABY TONIGHT, which reached #1 status on R&B charts, earning two #1 singles: the title track and the song DON’T GO, a record that supplanted Michael Jackson’s BAD single from the top of the R&B charts. His album sold over 2 million copies. so that means for a period of about a month, Marlon Jackson was the #1 r&b artist in the United States. He also produced an album for blues artist Betty Wright in the process and produced a number of tracks on Janet Jackson's beginning albums

Jermaine Jackson released two stalwart albums in 1989 DON’T TAKE IT PERSONAL with the title track reaching #1 status on the R&B charts, and for 1991 released YOU SAID featuring the title track and I DREAM, I DREAM. Both albums received major airplay on urban radio.

The entire family was producing quality music; there was enough room for everyone to shine. But guess what? Someone put in motion to essentially shut down the careers of the brothers along with Rebbie Jackson.

Jermaine Jackson produced the song TELL ME I’M NOT DREAMIN in 1984. This was an awesome record featuring Michael Jackson. The record was awesome. It would have achieved definite #1 status but it was never released as a single. Guess who denied its release?

In 1989, 2300 Jackson Street stopped receiving radio airplay and the album was pulled from the shelves of every record store imaginable all on the same day. I was at the record store when it happened. It’s as if the album dropped from the face of the earth. Every copy was yanked. There was something wrong with that picture because there’s no way that could have been a coincidence.

There’s a reason why this situation regarding the family depending on Michael’s success has come to pass. There’s a reason why they have appeared “lazy” all these years. It’s because their careers were destroyed where they could have been making music in their own right if they hadn’t been manipulated into signing a contract that would shut them down to the point where no producers in the industry would work with them.

and during the years of J-5, all of the brothers conducted those rehearsals together, they broke sweat right along with Michael, Jermaine and Tito had to dance and play guitar at the same time, that's no small feat........

I think it's criminal how this family has been percieved in the past 20 years

how in the hell are they lazy when they were recognized as "The First Family of Music" before all the lies destroyed that good will over the past 25 years....eroding year by year

Scorp said:

Analyst said:

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

great points....if his family shared the same skin complexion that Mike gravitated to in the pats 25 years, his fans wouldn't be saying anything, or making any suggestion his family is out for his money.........I think it's quite sad we even have to indulge in these type of situations to begin with

Janet has been recording music since 1982, yeaaaaaaaars before many of MJ's current following were even born

and this is something current MJ fans commercial media and the public at large need to consider:

People don’t know Marlon Jackson worked with Michael in creating the dance routines the brothers performed during the TRIUMPH TOUR of 1981, which was the best tour Michael ever did. They don’t know Randy Jackson co-wrote SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND with Michael, which many music critics recognize as the greatest disco record ever made.

Let me not forget, Randy helped develop the rhythm arrangement Michael crafted for DON’T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH, the first song Michael ever released as an adult solo artist. The concept Mike used during his solo tours where he would disappear and then reappear in the cloud of smoke, that started with the Triumph Tour. The moment where he runs to the right side of the stage holding up the lighted torch during the History Tour, that was a concept brought forth by Michael, Randy, and Marlon together

Randy also co-wrote a number of songs with Michael on the Jacksons album TRIUMPH such as LOVELY ONE while crafting the rhythm arrangements. What about brother Jackie, he co-wrote the Jacksons’ epic song on the Triumph album CAN YOU FEEL IT, lyrics that truly elevate the conscious. And he also acted as the sole writer for the song TORTURE from their album VICTORY, a song that still proves recognizable to this day. And while J5 performed on stage, Jermaine and Tito executed the intricate dance routines while playing the guitar at the same time. Jermaine was playing bass hooked up to an amplifier and Tito playing electric guitar. So when we add in all these factors, there’s no way Michael Jackson broke ground by himself. That MEANS his brothers weren’t lazy because they shed blood, sweat, and tear on that stage right along with Michael. The energy produced by J-5’s showmanship fueled Michael’s talent as he produced his most groundbreaking work during the beginning stage of his solo career. The brothers didn’t stand on that stage as props, as fill-ins, as statues. They earned their keep too and whatever they earn from this point on is well deserved, especially due to the fact their careers have been sabotaged for the past 20 years.

All of the evidence is there for all of us to see for ourselves, all one has to do is view the album credits for those albums I mentioned...

Truth be told, if it wasn’t for Tito acting so precociously playing his father’s guitar without permission during their years in Gary, Indiana, J-5 would have never been discovered, they would have never broke bread.

Why did it appear that the family, particularly the brothers have had to rely on Michael’s success all these years? It’s because the brothers’ careers were sabotaged, beginning in 1989 as the brothers were enjoyed a great level of success with their album 2300 JACKSON STREET released that year. That album reached #1 status on the R&B charts, after releasing two stellar singles: the title track as well as the song NOTHIN THAT COMPARES TO U. Both songs received constant airplay on urban radio.

During that summer Randy Jackson debut his solo career by releasing an album with a group he founded: RANDY AND THE GYPSIES releasing the single PERPETRATORS that shot up to #1 on the charts as well, and album so good, brother Jackie said Randy’s album was even better than Janet Jackson’s upcoming album (Rhythm Nation). His album was on its way to reaching platinum status.

Jackie released his solo album STAY in 1989 as well, earning gold status.

Marlon Jackson had released his debut solo album in 1987 titled BABY TONIGHT, which reached #1 status on R&B charts, earning two #1 singles: the title track and the song DON’T GO, a record that supplanted Michael Jackson’s BAD single from the top of the R&B charts. His album sold over 2 million copies. so that means for a period of about a month, Marlon Jackson was the #1 r&b artist in the United States. He also produced an album for blues artist Betty Wright in the process and produced a number of tracks on Janet Jackson's beginning albums

Jermaine Jackson released two stalwart albums in 1989 DON’T TAKE IT PERSONAL with the title track reaching #1 status on the R&B charts, and for 1991 released YOU SAID featuring the title track and I DREAM, I DREAM. Both albums received major airplay on urban radio.

The entire family was producing quality music; there was enough room for everyone to shine. But guess what? Someone put in motion to essentially shut down the careers of the brothers along with Rebbie Jackson.

Jermaine Jackson produced the song TELL ME I’M NOT DREAMIN in 1984. This was an awesome record featuring Michael Jackson. The record was awesome. It would have achieved definite #1 status but it was never released as a single. Guess who denied its release?

In 1989, 2300 Jackson Street stopped receiving radio airplay and the album was pulled from the shelves of every record store imaginable all on the same day. I was at the record store when it happened. It’s as if the album dropped from the face of the earth. Every copy was yanked. There was something wrong with that picture because there’s no way that could have been a coincidence.

There’s a reason why this situation regarding the family depending on Michael’s success has come to pass. There’s a reason why they have appeared “lazy” all these years. It’s because their careers were destroyed where they could have been making music in their own right if they hadn’t been manipulated into signing a contract that would shut them down to the point where no producers in the industry would work with them.

and during the years of J-5, all of the brothers conducted those rehearsals together, they broke sweat right along with Michael, Jermaine and Tito had to dance and play guitar at the same time, that's no small feat........

I think it's criminal how this family has been percieved in the past 20 years

how in the hell are they lazy when they were recognized as "The First Family of Music" before all the lies destroyed that good will over the past 25 years....eroding year by year

Hi Scorpion and you already know that this is bullshit with your obession to trash Michael and make this a race thing when this has nothing to do with the odd behavior of the Jacksons over the past couple of weeks.

You always love to insist this black self hatred on Michaels part, accuss him of stealing from his brothers and sabotages his family career Something is seriously wrong with you Keep thinking those things IN YOUR HEAD THE JACKSONS are the ones that have used Michael sucked him dry and wanted there for him and was only there when it was related to money. Rebbie, 3T etc were all on MJs record label so please go back to where you came from with that bullshit..

4 REPLIES... you clearly joined this site just to stay in this thread and bash Michael........ SAD.

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Analyst said:

Unholyalliance said:

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it's already known that even if this will proves to be a fake that none of the siblings stand anything to gain from it...directly. I even asked that question in the first thread and someone answered it. Also, I have an issue with the 'estate wanting to cut off Katherine from those who were against the will.' Even if that wasn't the intent it's looks like the three of them were keeping the grandkids from their grandmother. Katherine even mentioned that she was led out of the state and had no idea what was going on. This would have been avoided had they just let the woman talk to her grandkids...unless there's something else amidst. Someone already suggested that if the will does become invalidated that there might be a chance that Katherine would get a bigger piece of the pie which would be enough to share with the rest of the family though.

Knowing all this I don't understand why you guys are doing some weird kind of victory dance as if they have all been cleared of suspicion or something.

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

I dont see how you can sit here and honestly say this. It has been proven numerous times before and after Michael died that the family has used him for money and even after death has exploited his children... it doesnt take a genius to see that. His OWN family has used the MEDIA to exploit their own brother and trash him and his children. Randy had no business tweeting that letter to the Estate publicly to the begin with. This has NOTHING to do with Michael.

Michael was trashed all these years in the media because he was an African American. What point are you making? This has NOTHING to do with skin color. This has everything to do with the actions and choices of the Jackson Family. Nobody is bashing them because they are African American, over the past weeks they have made shady choices that it appears maybe geared toward money. And just because their attorney made this letter 3 weeks to late, doesnt mean greed is not driven behind. Greed is not necessarily related to JUST money either.

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claudiax said:

SoulAlive said:

if Janet,Rebbie,Jermaine and Rebbie truly think MJ's will is fake,why don't they simply hire a lawyer,file charges and take the executors to court? Their scandalous actions created all this drama and nearly cost Katherine custody of her grandkids.From now on,she should keep her guard up and be very careful about who she trusts.

It leaked. I'm sure they didn't plan on that happening. When it leaked they tweeted it just to show it was real

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

great points....if his family shared the same skin complexion that Mike gravitated to in the pats 25 years, his fans wouldn't be saying anything, or making any suggestion his family is out for his money.........I think it's quite sad we even have to indulge in these type of situations to begin with

Janet has been recording music since 1982, yeaaaaaaaars before many of MJ's current following were even born

and this is something current MJ fans commercial media and the public at large need to consider:

People don’t know Marlon Jackson worked with Michael in creating the dance routines the brothers performed during the TRIUMPH TOUR of 1981, which was the best tour Michael ever did. They don’t know Randy Jackson co-wrote SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND with Michael, which many music critics recognize as the greatest disco record ever made.

Let me not forget, Randy helped develop the rhythm arrangement Michael crafted for DON’T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH, the first song Michael ever released as an adult solo artist. The concept Mike used during his solo tours where he would disappear and then reappear in the cloud of smoke, that started with the Triumph Tour. The moment where he runs to the right side of the stage holding up the lighted torch during the History Tour, that was a concept brought forth by Michael, Randy, and Marlon together

Randy also co-wrote a number of songs with Michael on the Jacksons album TRIUMPH such as LOVELY ONE while crafting the rhythm arrangements. What about brother Jackie, he co-wrote the Jacksons’ epic song on the Triumph album CAN YOU FEEL IT, lyrics that truly elevate the conscious. And he also acted as the sole writer for the song TORTURE from their album VICTORY, a song that still proves recognizable to this day. And while J5 performed on stage, Jermaine and Tito executed the intricate dance routines while playing the guitar at the same time. Jermaine was playing bass hooked up to an amplifier and Tito playing electric guitar. So when we add in all these factors, there’s no way Michael Jackson broke ground by himself. That MEANS his brothers weren’t lazy because they shed blood, sweat, and tear on that stage right along with Michael. The energy produced by J-5’s showmanship fueled Michael’s talent as he produced his most groundbreaking work during the beginning stage of his solo career. The brothers didn’t stand on that stage as props, as fill-ins, as statues. They earned their keep too and whatever they earn from this point on is well deserved, especially due to the fact their careers have been sabotaged for the past 20 years.

All of the evidence is there for all of us to see for ourselves, all one has to do is view the album credits for those albums I mentioned...

Truth be told, if it wasn’t for Tito acting so precociously playing his father’s guitar without permission during their years in Gary, Indiana, J-5 would have never been discovered, they would have never broke bread.

Why did it appear that the family, particularly the brothers have had to rely on Michael’s success all these years? It’s because the brothers’ careers were sabotaged, beginning in 1989 as the brothers were enjoyed a great level of success with their album 2300 JACKSON STREET released that year. That album reached #1 status on the R&B charts, after releasing two stellar singles: the title track as well as the song NOTHIN THAT COMPARES TO U. Both songs received constant airplay on urban radio.

During that summer Randy Jackson debut his solo career by releasing an album with a group he founded: RANDY AND THE GYPSIES releasing the single PERPETRATORS that shot up to #1 on the charts as well, and album so good, brother Jackie said Randy’s album was even better than Janet Jackson’s upcoming album (Rhythm Nation). His album was on its way to reaching platinum status.

Jackie released his solo album STAY in 1989 as well, earning gold status.

Marlon Jackson had released his debut solo album in 1987 titled BABY TONIGHT, which reached #1 status on R&B charts, earning two #1 singles: the title track and the song DON’T GO, a record that supplanted Michael Jackson’s BAD single from the top of the R&B charts. His album sold over 2 million copies. so that means for a period of about a month, Marlon Jackson was the #1 r&b artist in the United States. He also produced an album for blues artist Betty Wright in the process and produced a number of tracks on Janet Jackson's beginning albums

Jermaine Jackson released two stalwart albums in 1989 DON’T TAKE IT PERSONAL with the title track reaching #1 status on the R&B charts, and for 1991 released YOU SAID featuring the title track and I DREAM, I DREAM. Both albums received major airplay on urban radio.

The entire family was producing quality music; there was enough room for everyone to shine. But guess what? Someone put in motion to essentially shut down the careers of the brothers along with Rebbie Jackson.

Jermaine Jackson produced the song TELL ME I’M NOT DREAMIN in 1984. This was an awesome record featuring Michael Jackson. The record was awesome. It would have achieved definite #1 status but it was never released as a single. Guess who denied its release?

In 1989, 2300 Jackson Street stopped receiving radio airplay and the album was pulled from the shelves of every record store imaginable all on the same day. I was at the record store when it happened. It’s as if the album dropped from the face of the earth. Every copy was yanked. There was something wrong with that picture because there’s no way that could have been a coincidence.

There’s a reason why this situation regarding the family depending on Michael’s success has come to pass. There’s a reason why they have appeared “lazy” all these years. It’s because their careers were destroyed where they could have been making music in their own right if they hadn’t been manipulated into signing a contract that would shut them down to the point where no producers in the industry would work with them.

and during the years of J-5, all of the brothers conducted those rehearsals together, they broke sweat right along with Michael, Jermaine and Tito had to dance and play guitar at the same time, that's no small feat........

I think it's criminal how this family has been percieved in the past 20 years

how in the hell are they lazy when they were recognized as "The First Family of Music" before all the lies destroyed that good will over the past 25 years....eroding year by year

Hi Scorpion and you already know that this is bullshit with your obession to trash Michael and make this a race this when this has nothing to do with it.

I told you, I'm cool on MJ fans associated with that KOP forum.....so you can run and tell them that because I ain't missing nothing there.....it's there loss...

it's funny how king of pop fans can crash every other fan forum but they never allow that to happen to them......shows how desperate the majority of them act to uphold all the lies

this situation as never been funny.....it stopped being about the music decades ago....this ain't no game to me.....

this family dynamic was destroyed a quarter a century ago, to exploit the family's most successful member

the guy wasn't speaking to his family for 2 years at a time, and the people he developed relationships with is who got him in trouble and during this most daring hour, his "friends" bailed on him and the only people who showed up at that trial was his family.....

even Prince himself spoke on it back in 1989, the year he produced soundtrack for the original Batman Movie

[Prince video snip - luv4u]

on and let me not forget, even Jermaine Jackson said how his family was being exploited back in 1991, right after he released his last studio album YOU SAID, before his career was juked out. The stories about "abuse" were lies....I never believed in that crap

http://www.youtube.com/wa...zgUjPui3m0

and the moment Michael Jackson transformed his being, at that moment, it DID become about race as he internalized the racial conflict and he manifested that physically.....

and if you think I'm lying about marlon jackson and what he laid down in 1987....

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/wa...=endscreen

all of the brothers were doing there on things, and didn't need to ride on Mike's coattails....especially when you knock the title track from the most anticipated follow up album in history off the top spot

the lies eventually give way to the truth and hit a brick wall

you're believing in all lies, and that's why you've been juked, so when you respond again you'll be talking to all air, you can run and tell KOP what's up

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Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Hi Scorpion and you already know that this is bullshit with your obession to trash Michael and make this a race this when this has nothing to do with it.

I told you, I'm cool on MJ fans associated with that KOP forum.....so you can run and tell them that because I ain't missing nothing there.....it's there loss...

it's funny how king of pop fans can crash every other fan forum but they never allow that to happen to them......shows how desperate the majority of them act to uphold all the lies

this situation as never been funny.....it stopped being about the music decades ago....this ain't no game to me.....

this family dynamic was destroyed a quarter a century ago, to exploit the family's most successful member

the guy wasn't speaking to his family for 2 years at a time, and the people he developed relationships with is who got him in trouble and during this most daring hour, his "friends" bailed on him and the only people who showed up at that trial was his family.....

even Prince himself spoke on it back in 1989, the year he produced soundtrack for the original Batman Movie

[Prince video snip - luv4u]

on and let me not forget, even Jermaine Jackson said how his family was being exploited back in 1991, right after he released his last studio album YOU SAID, before his career was juked out. The stories about "abuse" were lies....I never believed in that crap

http://www.youtube.com/wa...zgUjPui3m0

and the moment Michael Jackson transformed his being, at that moment, it DID become about race as he internalized the racial conflict and he manifested that physically.....

and if you think I'm lying about marlon jackson and what he laid down in 1987....

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/wa...=endscreen

all of the brothers were doing there on things, and didn't need to ride on Mike's coattails....especially when you knock the title track from the most anticipated follow up album in history off the top spot

the lies eventually give way to the truth and hit a brick wall

you're believing in all lies, and that's why you've been juked, so when you respond again you'll be talking to all air, you can run and tell KOP what's up

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This is Jennifer1 Scorpion and its going on a year since I have been on KOP actively, dont go there anymore and if I do its mostly to lurk once in a while for MJ info.

Secondly, there are millions of other fans here of other artists besides Prince and there is no issue in criticizing Michael but this thread is not about that. Dont come on this forum and try to put someone in check. I dont know why you were on KOP anyway because its clear you dont like Michael but you love trashing him.

Lastly, WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS ABOUT MICHAEL?

Michael has NOT done anything here. This is not about him. This is about the BEHAVIOR of his family over the last couple of weeks. Nothing you say can change that. So continue with your long rants on how crazy Michael is when this is not about that.

THIS is about the actions of his family over the last couple of weeks, Katherines well being, and his children. You always try to find an excuse just to trash Michael..... pathetic.

mjscarousal said:

Analyst said:

You can't read for shit, eh?

The specifically said themselves that it was not about money for them...which should make sense considering that Janet is fucking loaded, and I'm assuming that if her family needed help she'd have no problem stepping in and looking out for them herself.

What I'm more interested in, is why MJ fans are so quick to assume that his family are villains in this and after money and trying to screw over a pack of kids. Like, it seemed to never occur to any of you that maybe this is a legitimate complaint by them. The vast majority of MJ fans came right out of the gate assuming the family was guilty of something and trying to tar and feather them.

And I find that very, VERY telling.

I get the feeling that if the skin tones were reversed in this situation that the bulk of MJ fans shitting on his family, would be singing another tune. But when you're darkskinned it's guilty til proven innocent...right?

Right.

I'm out. Feel free to try and spin this however you like. I know you will anyway.

I dont see how you can sit here and honestly say this. It has been proven numerous times before and after Michael died that the family has used him for money and even after death has exploited his children... it doesnt take a genius to see that. His OWN family has used the MEDIA to exploit their own brother and trash him and his children. Randy had no business tweeting that letter to the Estate publicly to the begin with. This has NOTHING to do with Michael.

Michael was trashed all these years in the media because he was an African American. What point are you making? This has NOTHING to do with skin color. This has everything to do with the actions and choices of the Jackson Family. Nobody is bashing them because they are African American, over the past weeks they have made shady choices that it appears maybe geared toward money. And just because their attorney made this letter 3 weeks to late, doesnt mean greed is not driven behind. Greed is not necessarily related to JUST money either.

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Scorpio knows more than all of us about The Jackson family. He's been following them since before you were born. I think a little respect is in order.

Secondly, Michael Jackson was the best selling, most successful artist of all time when he released Thriller. He had surpassed the racial boundaries. I agree that his change in skin colour was the source of everything that went wrong later in his life.

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