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Reply #1140 posted 08/02/12 11:23pm

lazycrockett

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^ Basically they showed what most people already knew, the family is a fucking ghetto mess.

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Reply #1141 posted 08/02/12 11:37pm

helena36

I noticed Katherine continuously keeps referring to "those who I was with" while not once mentioning Randy Rebbie Jermaine Janet by name. I tried replacing "those who I was with" with the respective names and the result gives me chills.

Guess she couldn't bear to bring her children's names into it, no matter how useless or silly.

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Reply #1142 posted 08/02/12 11:49pm

mjscarousal

helena36 said:

I noticed Katherine continuously keeps referring to "those who I was with" while not once mentioning Randy Rebbie Jermaine Janet by name. I tried replacing "those who I was with" with the respective names and the result gives me chills.

Guess she couldn't bear to bring her children's names into it, no matter how useless or silly.

Katherine threw Michael under the bus because his not here to defend himself but Katherine wouldnt throw her living children under the bus publicly. Im sure things got airred out behind closed doors but I wouldnt be surprised if she decided to not trust them again in regards to MJs children but then again I was shocked at alot of things Katherine has done since Michaels passing so WHO REALLY KNOWS.

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Reply #1143 posted 08/03/12 12:30am

SoulAlive

kibbles said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I think its outrageous that some "doctor" lied to Katherine about being in contact with her longtime doctor and advising this so-called rest. I think Katherine's doctor should order an investigation to find out just who this "doctor" is going around pretending to be a collegue ordering one of his patients to go on rest on his (KJ's doctor) behalf. Could some kind of charges be brought against this phony for lying and helping to abduct an elderly lady? I wonder which one of Katherine's children is responsible for bringing the lying doctor in? I wonder if he's even actually a real doctor?

naughty, i wouldn't be surprised to learn that there is an investigation quietly going on in the background. b/c your suspicions are correct: this stinks to high heaven. remember, the sheriff's office has confirmed that there has been an ongoing investigation since april surrounding allegations that kat is being taken advantage of financially.

i would think that the sheriff's dept. will likely speak to tj's lawyers who've intimated that this ruse was all for the money in their motion to the judge today, in addition to the estate, the kids, trent and tj. there are security cameras at the house so the "doctor's" identity will not remain a secret. impersonating a doctor is a crime, and i would think it would be unethical for another physician to be providing false information to the patient of another doctor. i'm not so sure this thing is over.

I agree,there needs to be some kind of investigation.Someone played a cruel trick on Katherine and it nearly cost her custody of Paris,Prince and Blanket.This needs to be taken seriously.

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Reply #1144 posted 08/03/12 12:40am

SoulAlive

Azz said:

Sad that Janet and Randy and Reebie aren't being allowed to speak to Katherine.

They should have thought about the consequences before they launched their absurd scheme with Jermaine and Randy.Thanks to their actions,Katherine nearly lost custody of MJ's kids.

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Reply #1145 posted 08/03/12 1:10am

isobelfq

CAN WE PLEASE MOVE PAST THIS ADOPTED THING!!! Adopted or not, biologically or not, THEY ARE MICHAEL'S KIDS!!!! He raised them and loved them and kept them until his death. Katherine loves them; its seems like TJ loves them. They love their FATHER, and they love their GRANDMOTHER too. So can we please stop bringing up or mentioning that these kids may not biologically be Michaels. It's a sneaky way of saying they don't have a right to his legacy or money because they might not be his, which is just a sneaker way of saying Randy and Co. had every right to do what they did because they're "not really michael's kids". YES THEY ARE!!!

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Reply #1146 posted 08/03/12 1:14am

isobelfq

mjscarousal said:

helena36 said:

I noticed Katherine continuously keeps referring to "those who I was with" while not once mentioning Randy Rebbie Jermaine Janet by name. I tried replacing "those who I was with" with the respective names and the result gives me chills.

Guess she couldn't bear to bring her children's names into it, no matter how useless or silly.

Katherine threw Michael under the bus because his not here to defend himself but Katherine wouldnt throw her living children under the bus publicly. Im sure things got airred out behind closed doors but I wouldnt be surprised if she decided to not trust them again in regards to MJs children but then again I was shocked at alot of things Katherine has done since Michaels passing so WHO REALLY KNOWS.

I didn't know about this. When did this happen? What did she say/do?

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Reply #1147 posted 08/03/12 3:17am

claudiax

"They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit, my ass." - Michael Jackson

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Reply #1148 posted 08/03/12 4:26am

Azz

mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

Why even make this about her and her accomplishments when this thread is not even about that?

[Snip - luv4u]

Whether you like it or not Janet is apart of this mess and should have not gotten involved. To sit here and suggest that she has no fault in this situation with her family is just straight bullshitting.

It has nothing to do with "whether we like it or not". It has everything to do with the fact that none of us knows anything about what is going on with this family except what we hear and read in the media. Unless you are a participating member in this saga, then you don't know shit (this includes you, too, mjscarousal). I don't give a fuck how much you "think" you know.

And speaking of "stans" (such a stupid word, by the way), the word applies to you as well. Why don't you go listen to "Billie Jean" or something, and deal with things happening in your own life instead of worrying about the lives of people you will never meet.

Somebody is butt hurt over there? lol

Freetobe is just expressing their opinion.

I have a life..... but this is a message board and regardless whether you agree or disagree people have a right to comment and to their opinion. Nobody knows what is going on behind closed doors but there has been enough information that has been releasd publicly that has been credible that shows what the root of this whole saga which is money. Now if you believe otherwise than that is you. Janet has everything to do with this situation.

You keep bringing up Michael... What does me being a MJ fan have to do with this? nuts O and by the way I am a Janet fan to nuts It doesnt make your arguement more credible especially when that has nothing to do with the discussion. If you want to be convincing to others with a point then stick to the thread topic. Talking about how many accomplishments Janet has or trashing Michaels flaws doesnt prove anything because it doesnt change Janets involvement in this situation. Yes you Janet stans are indenial because its clear Janet had everything to do with this situation it takes no rocket science to figure that out.

More than half your posts have been filled with information coming from the media... the same media you said we cant believe. You know that as well as I do so please stop calling the kettle black. People are just expressing their opinion. This is a message board and if you have a issue with that then you need to stop going on message boards because its clear you cant handle difference of opinions or just hybernate on Janet Xone nuts

lol

You are just reiterating everything I have been saying.

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Reply #1149 posted 08/03/12 4:31am

Azz

petes2 said:

so they basically kidnapped their own momma

And yet they only hint at this. Because they know it is a lie, and can't have a law suit on their hands.

There are lies in the document (regarding communications - there was a phone in every room, the fact she said it was broken is either irrelivant or a lie), whilst some of the situations (Katherine could here she was missing on the TV but couldn't hear the picture) are unrealistic, and go against the fact that she was visited by the police, and obviously aware what was going. She previously said she was in contact and other things which contradict these documents. Again, maybe she was forced to say it, but then again why not state this in the court document rather than just hint at it? Because they know it's not true as these are very serious claims, and the sheriff who visited said everything seemed fine. Furthermore, it's a lie, and a deseperate bid to regain custody.


Why are MJ fans now believing the word of Katherine's lawyer, who basically said all of what is in the documents BEFORE the lawyer had even spoke to Katherine. It's not impossible to believe that Katherine would sign anything which would favour her chances of getting her grandchildren back.

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Reply #1150 posted 08/03/12 4:32am

Azz

free2bfreeda said:

i wasn't there, but i know who said what, and who did what, and why they did what they did when they did it. 'cause i just know everything there is to know about all the jacksons. 'cause i just know.

lol

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Reply #1151 posted 08/03/12 4:36am

SoulAlive

petes2 said:

so they basically kidnapped their own momma

It looks that way nod They wanted her out of the picture so that they could put their "plan" into motion.It backfired and instead,their mother almost lost custody of MJ's kids.

....

[Edited 8/3/12 4:36am]

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Reply #1152 posted 08/03/12 4:38am

Azz

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

Sad that Janet and Randy and Reebie aren't being allowed to speak to Katherine.

They should have thought about the consequences before they launched their absurd scheme with Jermaine and Randy.Thanks to their actions,Katherine nearly lost custody of MJ's kids.

No you mean: thanks to TJ and the estate Katherine nearly lost custody.

The court document, if we are to believe what is on it is the truth, clearly states that TJ has been acting as co guardian since MJ died, and was instructed to look after the kids whilst Katherine was gone, as he has always been doing. Why did he find the need to claim co guardian in court, when he was already acting as one?

Looks like they are expecting Katherine to not be around much longer, and TJ wants full custody of those kids after she has gone.

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Reply #1153 posted 08/03/12 4:41am

SoulAlive

Azz said:

SoulAlive said:

They should have thought about the consequences before they launched their absurd scheme with Jermaine and Randy.Thanks to their actions,Katherine nearly lost custody of MJ's kids.

No you mean: thanks to TJ and the estate Katherine nearly lost custody.

The court document, if we are to believe what is on it is the truth, clearly states that TJ has been acting as co guardian since MJ died, and was instructed to look after the kids whilst Katherine was gone, as he has always been doing. Why did he find the need to claim co guardian in court, when he was already acting as one?

Looks like they are expecting Katherine to not be around much longer, and TJ wants full custody of those kids after she has gone.

You want to put the blame on everyone except the four people who were most involved in this scheme (Janet,Jermaine,Rebbie and Randy) lol

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Reply #1154 posted 08/03/12 4:43am

Azz

SoulAlive said:

Azz said:

No you mean: thanks to TJ and the estate Katherine nearly lost custody.

The court document, if we are to believe what is on it is the truth, clearly states that TJ has been acting as co guardian since MJ died, and was instructed to look after the kids whilst Katherine was gone, as he has always been doing. Why did he find the need to claim co guardian in court, when he was already acting as one?

Looks like they are expecting Katherine to not be around much longer, and TJ wants full custody of those kids after she has gone.

You want to put the blame on everyone except the four people who were most involved in this scheme (Janet,Jermaine,Rebbie and Randy) lol

And yet you don't deny what I said, because you can't.

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Reply #1155 posted 08/03/12 5:06am

dag

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Azz said:

I think Katherine is lying. She has contradicted herself, her kids, and the manager of the spa.

First you say the story is fake cause TMZ always has court documents and it wasn't shown and when it is shown, you accuse Katherine of lying.

In the beginning you said she is fine with her kids and is probably too stressed to take care of that spoiled brat Paris, now you are saying that she's lying because she's desperate to get custody back.

You should get your story straight cause it seems to keep on changing whenever it fits you trying to blame everyone, but few people that you are constantly apologizing.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1156 posted 08/03/12 5:14am

SoulAlive

Jackson Family Tensions Ease Amid Internal Power Struggle

Aug 3, 2012 4:45 AM EDT

As Katherine won back custody of Michael’s children, family friends say the clan is mortified by how they’ve been portrayed in recent weeks—and worry about their matriarch.

After telling the judge in a Los Angeles Superior Court that she had no idea people though...as missing or that her grandchildren were attempting to reach her, Katherine Jackson won back custody of three of her grandchildren Thursday. She’ll share custody temporarily with a grandson, TJ Jackson, until another hearing is held this month. It is expected that the judge will grant joint custody to both.

In the second week of public turmoil involving ...son family, the estate of Michael Jackson, and the custody of his children, friends and insiders say tensions are slowly beginning to simmer down as at least one Jackson family member, Jermaine, has asked for family unity. A family spokesperson couldn’t be reached for comment.

Others inside the family’s inner circle say the siblings, particularly Janet, Jermaine, and Randy, are mortified by the way they’ve all been portrayed in the media and continue to be upset over how the news coverage has affected their weary mother.

That weariness was apparent in the declaration submitted to the court Thursday in which Katherine Jackson explained that she was taken to a luxury resort in Arizona with no working phone in her room, a television with sound but no picture, and had her iPad taken away from her. She wrote “At the time, I expected the people I was with to be honest with me,’’ she wrote without naming who those people were. She had denied being kidnapped by her children.

She was reportedly staying with her older daughter, Rebbie Jackson, and her family in New Mexico during her nine days away from California. Pictures were released to the media during her absence showing her playing the card game Uno with her daughter and grandkids. Court documents also revealed that Mrs. Jackson repeatedly asked for her television to be fixed while at the resort; once it was repaired, only then did she say she realized she’d been reported missing.

Katherine Jackson had her guardianship removed by the executors of Michael Jackson’s estate during her absence from his three children.

The matriarch was gone from the family’s home for nearly a week with no word and no contact with the three minor children of her late son Michael Jackson; she had full custody of the children, according to news reports and family members. The icon’s only daughter, Paris, began tweeting non-stop about her grandmother’s absence, which brought another round of national and international attention to the case.

Katherine Jackson said she’d planned for months to attend a concert in New Mexico given by four of her sons. But reports say prior to her leaving for the trip, a doctor was brought in to see her by Randy and Jermaine Jackson and it was decided she needed rest and removal from all stress.

Court documents also revealed that Mrs. Jackson repeatedly asked for her television to be fixed while at the resort; once it was repaired, only then did she say she realized she’d been reported missing.

Michael Jackson Doctor

Bret Hartman / AP Photo

“It started with a few of the kids wanting to give their mother a break from all the pressure she’s under,’’ says one family member. “They thought she was being pulled in too many directions and felt the people in control had too much control. But they didn’t think it through and it became one big mess.’’

A mess indeed, as the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department began to investigate the whereabouts of Mrs. Jackson at around the same time as a letter surfaced signed by five of the Jackson siblings challenging Michael’s will, which provided only for his mother, his children and charities. The letter also asked for the removal of the two executors of the estate due to alleged improper handling. Spokespeople for the estate have denied any wrongdoing.

In the weeks since Katherine Jackson’s disappearance and reappearance, her sons Tito and Jermaine decided they will not challenge Michael’s will further. In a statement on Twitter on Wednesday, Jermaine Jackson said he was withdrawing his name from an accusatory letter sent by some family members and appealed for unity for the entire Jackson family.

“It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation and healing. I truly hope we can find it our hearts to do so.’’ Jermaine Jackson wrote.

But some wonder if peace will ever be possible for one of the most famous families in Hollywood.

“This is a family that’s had years of hurt, bickering, and drama,’’ says a family friend. “But this event really caused a divide that no one is sure can be closed. Their mother was hurt and betrayed and that may never be forgotten or forgiven.’’

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Reply #1157 posted 08/03/12 5:42am

LightOfArt

dag said:

Azz said:

I think Katherine is lying. She has contradicted herself, her kids, and the manager of the spa.

First you say the story is fake cause TMZ always has court documents and it wasn't shown and when it is shown, you accuse Katherine of lying.

In the beginning you said she is fine with her kids and is probably too stressed to take care of that spoiled brat Paris, now you are saying that she's lying because she's desperate to get custody back.

You should get your story straight cause it seems to keep on changing whenever it fits you trying to blame everyone, but few people that you are constantly apologizing.

well said dag. jackson family is pure trash no wonder michael avoided them like the plague when he was alive. i feel sorry for his kids they will have to deal with them 4 a long time. they better grow up fast and get the fuck out of there asap. i dont trust katherine or tj either.

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Reply #1158 posted 08/03/12 6:24am

allsmutaside

Yes, AZZ, someone checked. I don't know why you changed the line, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter why. I would ask that you give yourself a time-out from this thread. Your presence and constant assault is ruining a perfectly fine experience for rest of the org in here. Yes, you were baited and responded by coming back to the thread, but it really is time for you to show some restraint and self control. Without question your posts in this thread have been innacurate, poorly thought through, unnecessarily oppositional, or outright untruths. You don't always need to show out. Sometimes a person can "win" by simply doing the right thing, and right now the right thing for you to do is take a step back and show some, gain some, feel some ... maturity. Apply this concept throughout your life and you will find yourself with blessings you never realized you were blocking. You will win because these blessings you clearly seek will show up on your doorstep, seeking YOU out, wanting to know - "where have you been?."

Azz said:

Jermaine Jackson FLIP FLOPS -- I'm Now Backing the Estate

8/1/2012 12:26 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Jermaine Jackson
FLIP-FLOPS
I'm Backing Off the Estate

Breaking News
0801_jermaine_jackson_tmz
Jermaine Jackson
-- a major ringleader in the Jackson family rebellion against the MJ Estate -- has officially defected from a family letter criticizing the Estate ... but still has "deep reservations" about the executors.

Jermaine just posted a long letter on his Twitter account, writing, "I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public."

"I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict."

He adds, "In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch."

Jermaine follows in the footsteps of his brother Tito, who withdrew his signature last week from the siblings' July 17th letter to the Estate, in which they accused the executors of failing at their job and stressing out Katherine Jackson so badly she suffered a "mini-stroke."

As of now, the signatures of Janet, Rebbie, and Randy remain on the letter.
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Reply #1159 posted 08/03/12 8:50am

mjscarousal

isobelfq said:

mjscarousal said:

Katherine threw Michael under the bus because his not here to defend himself but Katherine wouldnt throw her living children under the bus publicly. Im sure things got airred out behind closed doors but I wouldnt be surprised if she decided to not trust them again in regards to MJs children but then again I was shocked at alot of things Katherine has done since Michaels passing so WHO REALLY KNOWS.

I didn't know about this. When did this happen? What did she say/do?

Katherine insisted that Michael bleached his skin and described his nose in a insulting way and called him a liar.

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Reply #1160 posted 08/03/12 9:04am

Azz

mjscarousal said:

isobelfq said:

I didn't know about this. When did this happen? What did she say/do?

Katherine insisted that Michael bleached his skin and described his nose in a insulting way and called him a liar.


Michael did change his skin colour, either by bleaching or by creams. If he simply had vitiligo, his skin would be patchy, not one colour.

He did lie about havnig two nose jobs, he had way more than that. The whole of his face was reconstructed, he even indented a dent into his chin!

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Reply #1161 posted 08/03/12 9:07am

Azz

allsmutaside said:

Yes, AZZ, someone checked. I don't know why you changed the line, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter why. I would ask that you give yourself a time-out from this thread. Your presence and constant assault is ruining a perfectly fine experience for rest of the org in here. Yes, you were baited and responded by coming back to the thread, but it really is time for you to show some restraint and self control. Without question your posts in this thread have been innacurate, poorly thought through, unnecessarily oppositional, or outright untruths. You don't always need to show out. Sometimes a person can "win" by simply doing the right thing, and right now the right thing for you to do is take a step back and show some, gain some, feel some ... maturity. Apply this concept throughout your life and you will find yourself with blessings you never realized you were blocking. You will win because these blessings you clearly seek will show up on your doorstep, seeking YOU out, wanting to know - "where have you been?."

Azz said:

Jermaine Jackson FLIP FLOPS -- I'm Now Backing the Estate

8/1/2012 12:26 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Jermaine Jackson
FLIP-FLOPS
I'm Backing Off the Estate

Breaking News
0801_jermaine_jackson_tmz
Jermaine Jackson
-- a major ringleader in the Jackson family rebellion against the MJ Estate -- has officially defected from a family letter criticizing the Estate ... but still has "deep reservations" about the executors.

Jermaine just posted a long letter on his Twitter account, writing, "I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public."

"I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict."

He adds, "In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch."

Jermaine follows in the footsteps of his brother Tito, who withdrew his signature last week from the siblings' July 17th letter to the Estate, in which they accused the executors of failing at their job and stressing out Katherine Jackson so badly she suffered a "mini-stroke."

As of now, the signatures of Janet, Rebbie, and Randy remain on the letter.

Blah Blah Blah Blah.


I copied and pasted this. I did not alter the tittle. TMZ must have been forced to retract statements again, they are after all, constant liars falloff

I don't need any life lessons from someone I don't know, nor from someone I do not care for. My posts have been perfectly fine to many orgers. Thank you but no thank you.

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Reply #1162 posted 08/03/12 9:11am

Azz

Azz said:

allsmutaside said:

Yes, AZZ, someone checked. I don't know why you changed the line, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter why. I would ask that you give yourself a time-out from this thread. Your presence and constant assault is ruining a perfectly fine experience for rest of the org in here. Yes, you were baited and responded by coming back to the thread, but it really is time for you to show some restraint and self control. Without question your posts in this thread have been innacurate, poorly thought through, unnecessarily oppositional, or outright untruths. You don't always need to show out. Sometimes a person can "win" by simply doing the right thing, and right now the right thing for you to do is take a step back and show some, gain some, feel some ... maturity. Apply this concept throughout your life and you will find yourself with blessings you never realized you were blocking. You will win because these blessings you clearly seek will show up on your doorstep, seeking YOU out, wanting to know - "where have you been?."

8/1/2012 12:26 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Jermaine Jackson
FLIP-FLOPS
I'm Backing Off the Estate

Breaking News
0801_jermaine_jackson_tmz
Jermaine Jackson
-- a major ringleader in the Jackson family rebellion against the MJ Estate -- has officially defected from a family letter criticizing the Estate ... but still has "deep reservations" about the executors.

Jermaine just posted a long letter on his Twitter account, writing, "I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public."

"I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict."

He adds, "In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch."

Jermaine follows in the footsteps of his brother Tito, who withdrew his signature last week from the siblings' July 17th letter to the Estate, in which they accused the executors of failing at their job and stressing out Katherine Jackson so badly she suffered a "mini-stroke."

As of now, the signatures of Janet, Rebbie, and Randy remain on the letter.

Blah Blah Blah Blah.


I copied and pasted this. I did not alter the tittle. TMZ must have been forced to retract statements again, they are after all, constant liars falloff

I don't need any life lessons from someone I don't know, nor from someone I do not care for. My posts have been perfectly fine to many orgers. Thank you but no thank you.

EDIT: I was right. TMZ did change the title of their post.

Jermaine Jackson FLIP FLO...the Estate

Jermaine Jackson -- a major ringleader in the Jackson family rebellion against the MJ Estate -- has officially defected and now supports the Estate ... but with "deep reservations."Jermaine just posted a long letter on his Twitter account, writing,… ...

Published By: TMZ - 2 days ago

Found from:

http://thunderfeeds.com/reader/news/jermaine-jackson-flip-flops-im-now-backing-the-estate

http://njuice.com/jermaine-jackson-flip-flops-im-now-backing-the-estate

http://inagist.com/all/230749859177709568/

http://news168.co.uk/news/jermaine-jackson-flip-flops-im-now-backing-the-estate

Get your facts right before you try and test me. Good day.

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Reply #1163 posted 08/03/12 9:25am

Azz

dag said:

Azz said:

I think Katherine is lying. She has contradicted herself, her kids, and the manager of the spa.

First you say the story is fake cause TMZ always has court documents and it wasn't shown and when it is shown, you accuse Katherine of lying.

In the beginning you said she is fine with her kids and is probably too stressed to take care of that spoiled brat Paris, now you are saying that she's lying because she's desperate to get custody back.

You should get your story straight cause it seems to keep on changing whenever it fits you trying to blame everyone, but few people that you are constantly apologizing.

eek

I think I really am talking to a 5 year old.

Yes I refuse to believe TMZ, because they have lied several times now, as I have proven. What did you expect me to say?

How could I possibly of known that Katherine was lying (Which I did not mean, and already have explained what I meant by it, but yet you chose to pick up on something I said a long time ago) without having any reliable information.


So ofcourse my perspective was going to change, that is just common sense.

How can one get a 'story straight' when they do not have the facts, because not only can they not possibly know whats going on, most of the information which is fed to the media is false, but Mj fans chose to believe it.

And yes, some lying has gone on. Because the court documents contradict EVEYRTHING she said before hand. Not only that, but some of it is just a plain lie (i.e. There was a phone in every room of the spa). But then again, I believe that Katherine would have signed anything which would get custody back, including lies that Katherines Lawyer is continuing to spread DESPITE conjuring them BEFORE she had even spoke to Katherine. These EXACT lies are now on the court document.

So either that or Katherine was indeed held against her will in the spa. But ignoring that fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely, the court documents only hint at this. Why hint and not state? Because they know it's a lie, and they don't want to risk a law suit (which could still be a possibilty).

But once again, I say that Janet and Reebie may let it slide, they wouldn't want Katherine to lose custody now, would they? Not if they want that $30,000 a month money rolleyes

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Reply #1164 posted 08/03/12 10:41am

allsmutaside

Azz said:

Azz said:

EDIT: I was right. TMZ did change the title of their post.

Jermaine Jackson FLIP FLO...the Estate

Jermaine Jackson -- a major ringleader in the Jackson family rebellion against the MJ Estate -- has officially defected and now supports the Estate ... but with "deep reservations."Jermaine just posted a long letter on his Twitter account, writing,… ...

Published By: TMZ - 2 days ago

Found from:

http://thunderfeeds.com/reader/news/jermaine-jackson-flip-flops-im-now-backing-the-estate

http://njuice.com/jermaine-jackson-flip-flops-im-now-backing-the-estate

http://inagist.com/all/230749859177709568/

http://news168.co.uk/news/jermaine-jackson-flip-flops-im-now-backing-the-estate

Get your facts right before you try and test me. Good day.

Sadly, even with what looks like some of the facts falling on your side of the fence, your yard is still a wretched mess. Your post actually supports what most people have been saying to you. You need to give yourself a time-out. You have been tested, and you have failed, yourself. Good ness.

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Reply #1165 posted 08/03/12 10:51am

NaughtyKitty

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allsmutaside said:

Yes, AZZ, someone checked. I don't know why you changed the line, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter why. I would ask that you give yourself a time-out from this thread. Your presence and constant assault is ruining a perfectly fine experience for rest of the org in here. Yes, you were baited and responded by coming back to the thread, but it really is time for you to show some restraint and self control. Without question your posts in this thread have been innacurate, poorly thought through, unnecessarily oppositional, or outright untruths. You don't always need to show out. Sometimes a person can "win" by simply doing the right thing, and right now the right thing for you to do is take a step back and show some, gain some, feel some ... maturity. Apply this concept throughout your life and you will find yourself with blessings you never realized you were blocking. You will win because these blessings you clearly seek will show up on your doorstep, seeking YOU out, wanting to know - "where have you been?."

THIS x 100! clapping clapping clapping Thank you!

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Reply #1166 posted 08/03/12 10:59am

musicology54

Keep on telling yourself that azz.

Azz said:



allsmutaside said:


Yes, AZZ, someone checked. I don't know why you changed the line, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter why. I would ask that you give yourself a time-out from this thread. Your presence and constant assault is ruining a perfectly fine experience for rest of the org in here. Yes, you were baited and responded by coming back to the thread, but it really is time for you to show some restraint and self control. Without question your posts in this thread have been innacurate, poorly thought through, unnecessarily oppositional, or outright untruths. You don't always need to show out. Sometimes a person can "win" by simply doing the right thing, and right now the right thing for you to do is take a step back and show some, gain some, feel some ... maturity. Apply this concept throughout your life and you will find yourself with blessings you never realized you were blocking. You will win because these blessings you clearly seek will show up on your doorstep, seeking YOU out, wanting to know - "where have you been?."





Azz said:


Jermaine Jackson FLIP FLOPS -- I'm Now Backing the Estate







8/1/2012 12:26 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF



Jermaine Jackson
FLIP-FLOPS
I'm Backing Off the Estate



Breaking News

0801_jermaine_jackson_tmz
Jermaine Jackson
-- a major ringleader in the Jackson family rebellion against the MJ Estate -- has officially defected from a family letter criticizing the Estate ... but still has "deep reservations" about the executors.

Jermaine just posted a long letter on his Twitter account, writing, "I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public."

"I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict."

He adds, "In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch."

Jermaine follows in the footsteps of his brother Tito, who withdrew his signature last week from the siblings' July 17th letter to the Estate, in which they accused the executors of failing at their job and stressing out Katherine Jackson so badly she suffered a "mini-stroke."

As of now, the signatures of Janet, Rebbie, and Randy remain on the letter.




Blah Blah Blah Blah.



I copied and pasted this. I did not alter the tittle. TMZ must have been forced to retract statements again, they are after all, constant liars falloff



I don't need any life lessons from someone I don't know, nor from someone I do not care for. My posts have been perfectly fine to many orgers. Thank you but no thank you.

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Reply #1167 posted 08/03/12 11:01am

SoulAlive

allsmutaside said:

Sadly, even with what looks like some of the facts falling on your side of the fence, your yard is still a wretched mess. Your post actually supports what most people have been saying to you. You need to give yourself a time-out. You have been tested, and you have failed, yourself. Good ness.

lol yeah,this person needs to take a BREAK! Day after day,he's bending over backwards to "prove" that everyone else is guilty,except the main folks who started this mess lol

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Reply #1168 posted 08/03/12 11:03am

HatrinaHaterwi
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lazycrockett said:

^ Basically they showed what most people already knew, the family is a fucking ghetto mess.

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Y'all are not going to pin this shit on the ghetto. Ain't nobody in the ghetto crazy enough to try kidnapping their own mama! hammer

I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #1169 posted 08/03/12 11:17am

Azz

musicology54 said:

Keep on telling yourself that azz.Azz said:

Blah Blah Blah Blah.


I copied and pasted this. I did not alter the tittle. TMZ must have been forced to retract statements again, they are after all, constant liars falloff

I don't need any life lessons from someone I don't know, nor from someone I do not care for. My posts have been perfectly fine to many orgers. Thank you but no thank you.

Fail. I proved above that TMZ changed the title, because once again they were telling lies.

falloff

Read before you write.

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