Despite 'Unity' concert, Jackson family feud simmers

bboy87 said:

For folks saying Michael distanced himself away from his family because they were

a)always trying to use him

or

b)trying to help him

Katherine and Joe always had contact with him. I remember on TMZ, MJ was living in vegas and it Michael Jr's birthday and of course, TMZ had their people outside his house when out of the blue, there's Joe Jackson with presents in tow, quietly going to the house. When the AEG deal was going down, Michael brought Joe with him to the meeting

Over the years, it was Jermaine and LaToya who he kept a distance from although as years went by, that changed. Randy was his manager and in charge of Michael's website during the trial, but that ended badly.....REAL BADLY

Jermaine said "fuck a security" and got to Michael. He also worked on music with him before he passed. Jermaine did hook him up with Thome Thome though....

LaToya.....nuff said

So it's not like he shut himself from the entire family, but after being burned (no pun intended) on occasion, could you blame him or Janet or any of them if they decided to keep a distance or stay out of the family drama?

Hell, we could've had a Jackson 5 reunion album in 1998 if Randy and Jermaine weren't beefing and the other brothers were taking sides

Those were just two incidents that you mentioned with Joe. Michael himself has said he wasnt that close with the Joe but he eventually started to be more open to communication in his later years. Im sure their are some interactions with Joe but I highly doubt he wasnt talking to him as much as he was with Katherine and that by any means doesnt mean they were close. I just think people are saying he wasnt all that close with his father and he wasnt. Maybe that changed in 09 but for majority of his life that is how it has always been.

Michael had different eras where he was close with certain family members. During the 80s Michael was exactly closed with La Toya it was just when she started to act crazy in the 90s Michael started to distanced himself and likewise in the 80s with Jermaine when he made that song. Michael appeared close with Randy during the trial but we all know that eventually changed. I believe despite Janet defending Michael in 93 and doing a song.. she was the closet with him when they were little and no other time. I think Michael was the closest with Marlon when they were growing up but of course their were times they had encounters but having some encounters on some occassions doesnt mean your a close family or close with that sibling.

To me a close sibling or close families have a on going communication it doesnt necessarily have to be physical contact but they are all talking to each other and see each other more than often. The family mostly talks to Katherine if they want to get current information about what each of them are up to..

SoulAlive said:

Despite 'Unity' concert, Jackson family feud simmers

By Alan Duke, CNN

updated 7:27 PM EDT, Mon July 30, 2012

The e-mail was "given to the security is in compliance with Judge Beckloff's order and is not arbitrary," Schultz said.

"As for the family members who are on that list, they were either at the house on Monday, July 23, 2012 or in someway participated in the events surrounding that date," Charles Schultz, TJ Jackson's lawyer, said in reply to Martin's story.

"Katherine Jackson is completely free to talk to whomever she chooses and is free to come and go from the house with anyone whom she chooses," Schultz said. "This has been made completely clear to Mrs. Jackson and she has acknowledged that fact."

If Janet, Randy, Jermaine of Rebbie Jackson want to talk to their mother, who they took on an unannounced 10-day vacation to Arizona earlier this month, they can call her, he said.

"If anything, it sounds like the people who tried to manipulate her previously are continuing to do so via telephone," Schultz wrote.

The list of people banned from the property was prepared by estate lawyers and sent at the request of TJ Jackson after "certain members of the Jackson family showed up unannounced at the ... residence of Michael Jackson's mother and children, causing a very public disturbance," according to a statement by the estate lawyers.

"The list may be amended and managed by TJ Jackson Jr. or the Estate when appropriate," the estate statement said.

looks like T.J. ain't playing games He's pissed at his aunts and uncles!

bboy87 said:

and I think we all know where Joe is....... he's plotting Probably gonna use the publicity to revamp JoCola and his line of brandy

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I've never seen this before! Check out Joe tryna get his sex appeal on...Wow..."For the man of Rare Beauty" whoo boy...

SoulAlive said:

lowkey said:

so we got fake relatives adding their 2 cents, mj fans quoting stacy brown for truth, paris got her peoples to kidnap janet, jermajesty n nem cant come over to see granny no more,this is like a full season of a scandalous soap

Earlier today,I was thinking,what if all this was a soap opera on TV? Can you imagine this scenario as the final episode of the season: Everybody meets up at the family reunion.At first,everything is cool then arguments break out.Everyone is arguing with each other,pointing fingers,making accusations.The whole thing is a mess.

Get ready for the cliffhanger

After a few minutes of all this arguing,we hear a familiar voice yelling: STOP IT...JUST STOP IT!!

Everyone looks up,in shock and disbelief Could it really be....??????

The episode fades to black.You gotta tune in next season.......

Now that would be one epic cliffhanger! I'd def. tune in the next season!

NaughtyKitty said:

SoulAlive said:

Earlier today,I was thinking,what if all this was a soap opera on TV? Can you imagine this scenario as the final episode of the season: Everybody meets up at the family reunion.At first,everything is cool then arguments break out.Everyone is arguing with each other,pointing fingers,making accusations.The whole thing is a mess.

Get ready for the cliffhanger

After a few minutes of all this arguing,we hear a familiar voice yelling: STOP IT...JUST STOP IT!!

Everyone looks up,in shock and disbelief Could it really be....??????

The episode fades to black.You gotta tune in next season.......

Now that would be one epic cliffhanger! I'd def. tune in the next season!

I'd host a viewing party!

NaughtyKitty said:

mookie said:

Why Janet Jackson became embroiled in family feud involving Michael's kids

By STACY BROWN

Even the most dysfunctional families have their sane one, and in the famously chaotic Jackson clan, that member has always been Janet.

Until now.

This past week, the family feuded publicly over the late Michael’s estate, with his children taking to Twitter to accuse their Aunt Janet and others of kidnapping their grandmother and legal guardian, Katherine, in order to wrest away control of the King of Pop’s fortune.

At the public memorial service for Michael on July 7, 2009, it was Janet who soothed an emotional Paris, then just 11 years old, as she tearfully remembered her father as “the best daddy,” and it was into Janet’s arms she flew after emotionally collapsing.

Nearly three years to the day, things are quite different. Last Monday, 14-year-old Paris Jackson not only defied her 46-year-old Aunt Janet but also defied the way the Jackson family has traditionally operated: Instead of keeping this latest family feud private, Paris, frantic over her relatives’ refusal to let her speak to her grandma, took to Twitter and declared matriarch Katherine missing.

The national media were quick to go on red alert, and Janet was caught on camera confronting her niece in the driveway of Katherine’s estate.

“You’re a spoiled little bitch!” Janet yelled.

“This is our house,” Paris shot back. “Not the Jackson family house. Get the f--k out!”

On Thursday, Paris’ brother Prince Michael, 15, posted a text message he’d sent to several relatives, including his famous aunt, listed in his iPhone simply as “Janet Jackson.”

“This is enough,” it read, “so I am texting you for the simple fact that WE DEMAND TO SPEAK TO MY GRANDMA NOW!!!”

Janet’s reply was terse: “Don’t let them pls.”

What’s happened to Janet Jackson? How is it that the seemingly calmest, most soft-spoken sibling could be so vicious to her niece and nephews?

Why would a woman who launched her solo career by publicly emancipating herself from her overbearing family — her 1986 breakthrough album was called “Control” — allow herself to become enmeshed in such an ugly family feud? And why would Janet — the only one of 10 Jackson siblings to have a career nearly as successful as Michael’s — allow her image to be tarnished this way?

One Jackson family member tells The Post the answer is simple: It’s all about money. She’s got some; Michael’s estate has more — Billboard recently estimated its net worth at $1 billion — and her siblings have none. She lives in fear of supporting them.

“Janet’s last three tours have failed to sell tickets, and she’s cut each of them short,” the sibling says. “She hasn’t had a hit record in more than a decade, and she no longer has a recording contract.”

This family member says that Janet’s net worth is estimated at $100 million but that “she only has money going out and nothing new coming in.”

Janet hasn’t had a hit song since 2001’s “Someone to Call My Lover,” and the last time she had any cultural relevance was in February 2004, after Justin Timberlake exposed her breast during their Super Bowl performance.

She’s starred in a couple of Tyler Perry films, but lately her brand has been defined by her yo-yo dieting (she’s a spokeswoman for Nutrisystem) and struggles with self-actualization. Her 2011 self-help book, “True You: A Journey to Finding and Loving Yourself,” was a best seller, ironic given that she hasn’t been able to detach fully from her destructive family — especially older brother Randy, whom she is said to worship.

“Janet has nothing to do,” her sibling says. “And she is devoted to any cause Randy takes up.”

It was Randy, says this sibling, who hatched the plan to remove Katherine from the Jackson home, challenge Michael’s will, remove the children from Katherine’s legal custody and ultimately gain control of the estate.

“Randy thought that if they were to publicly show that [Katherine] was no longer capable of caring for the children and no longer able to handle the day-to-day responsibilities of the house, then Randy could take her position.”

Randy, now 50, enlisted his sister Rebbie, 62, brothers Jermaine, 58, and Tito, 60, and Janet, the sibling says. The coup’s ultimate aim: to overthrow Michael’s estate executors, John Branca and John McClain.

With that, Randy would control the $70,000 monthly allowance Katherine gets from the estate and the $100,000 the children get.

About two weeks ago, Randy pushed the button on the plan.

Four of the Jackson siblings — Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon — were doing a concert in New Mexico. Randy coordinated with Katherine’s assistant, Janice Smith, to have the 82-year-old matriarch ready for “a long vacation.”

A doctor hired by the siblings was brought in to visit with Katherine and promptly told her she needed rest, the family member says. The siblings kept her isolated from outside contact, busying her with games of Uno while Jermaine issued statements that his mother had suffered a series of strokes and needed rest.

One can only wonder what the Janet of 1986 — scared, free, struggling to carve her own persona — would make of today’s Janet, back in league with her tormenters against McClain.

And yet, not all is well with her siblings. Janet has fought viciously with La Toya, Jermaine and Jackie.

In 2001, Janet bought a Las Vegas home for her mother with the stipulation that family patriarch Joe Jackson never be allowed to live there, according to Rebbie Jackson.

“She never forgave Joseph for what he did to us when we were children. She doesn’t deal with him at all,” Rebbie said.

While Janet has helped pay bills for her mother in the past and paid her brother Marlon’s mortgage for a full year and moved him to Atlanta, she has mostly been careful about helping her siblings with their cash problems.

“They need to get jobs if they think I’m going to do what Michael did for them. They are grown-ass men. I’m not giving them nothing,” Janet said, according to this family member.

While Janet’s relationship with Michael appeared close, the siblings were one another’s biggest rivals. Michael even once asked Janet to stop using her surname when she performed.

It wasn’t until after repeated pleas from Katherine Jackson that Janet went to a Santa Maria, Calif., courthouse to show support for Michael during his child-molestation trial in 2005.

While Janet’s fortune remains stable, she fears for her security should she find herself supporting eight siblings and their families.

While Michael was in hiding in Bahrain following his acquittal, Janet started paying Katherine’s bills and giving her siblings money. But she has begun to cut them off.

Randy and Jermaine, who have children by the same woman, had previously requested that the estate pay their back child support, something Branca ultimately approved. Randy once owed as much as $150,000 to his ex.

Since Michael’s death in 2009, Branca and McClain have worked miracles to alleviate the $500 million debt left by the legend. The estate owns a share in Sony/ATV music publishing, which contains all of Jackson’s hits and the prized Beatles catalog. It is said to be worth upward of $2 billion. The bulk of it will go to Jackson’s three children: Paris, Prince Michael and 10-year-old Blanket.

If Janet doesn’t support her brothers, the estate could.

“It is a fact that the primary reason Janet got involved in Randy’s plan,” says a sibling, “is because she wants to see her brothers control Michael’s money so they won’t come to her anymore.”

After Prince tweeted that his late father had warned him about “certain people,” the family member said one of those people was Janet. Often calling her “evil, selfish and cheap,” Michael warned his children that Janet wouldn’t be the best of aunts.

Last week, California Judge Mitchell Beckloff appointed Tito’s son, TJ Jackson, guardian of Prince, Paris and Blanket.

TJ’s mother, Dee Dee Jackson, was murdered in 1994 by a man she’d begun dating after divorcing Tito. Michael took TJ and TJ’s two brothers under his wing. He was part of the Michael Jackson-inspired music group 3T.

As such, TJ is inclined to take the side of Jackson’s kids in disputes and said either Rebbie or Janet had a fake doctor persuade Katherine to leave California.

“I am taking actions that I have deemed appropriate to protect Michael’s children,” TJ said in court.

Janet, it’s clear, will no longer be a part of their lives, and this thwarted plan has eroded her power.

The three children have been reunited with their grandmother and have vowed to stay as far as possible from their aunts and uncles. Janet’s efforts to give her brothers a financial parachute has backfired.

“[The children] will probably never let this go,” says one sibling. “They certainly won’t forget it. And the ones the family members tried to paint as bad guys are the very ones those children will always see as protectors.”

Stacy Brown is a reporter and longtime friend of the Jackson family. (LOL)

http://www.nypost.com/p/n...z228XyTsdM

[Edited 7/30/12 12:48pm]

Wow. Well ok then! Imma make a guess as to who "this family member/sibling/family source" is that Stacy Brown got his info from---was none other than.....

I think Rebbie is the 'sibling' source. Her and Stacy Brown are close friends. Maybe she is throwing Janet under the bus to keep the attention off of her.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

So Randy posted this on his twitter

lowkey said:

i wouldnt care if my brothers tried to get a piece of my deceased brother's billion dollar estate either, he cant use it where he's at and they know somebody is gonna get it, why not family.

Fuck family.

It's about having his estate grow and prosper and leaving something to his kids and their kids and so on.

You don't know of anyone that has left their estate in the hands of their deadbeat relatives, so why would you expect MJ to?

[Edited 7/31/12 11:31am]

Azz said:

They were there for him when he wanted them:

and she defended him when he paid $ 25 million to a child who accused him of molestation:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...f08cX6gLZU

But when it was his brothers or sisters time to shine, he was never there:

Here are ALL the Jacksons awarding the brothers for their achievments in the music industry.

or when Janet was crowned the first MTV ICON. Every celebrity in the music industry, including her family was there.

Except Michael, who chose to send in an emotionless 15 second clip:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AB3r2boGwU

[Edited 7/30/12 18:45pm]

Blablabla... that's one way to look at it. The other is, that whenever Michael shows up somewhere the show becomes about him. Had he appeared at Janet's icon show, he would have upstaged her at her very own tribute. The same goes for that award the brothers got. Who cares about the brothers or Janet, when Michael is in the building?!

SoulAlive said:

It would be bigger than those 'Dynasty' and 'Dallas' cliffhangers from the 80s

Nah, not really... nothing could be bigger than the shower cliffhanger... how great would it be though if we would just have dreamed these past 3 years.

Blablabla... that's one way to look at it. The other is, that whenever Michael shows up somewhere the show becomes about him. Had he appeared at Janet's icon show, he would have upstaged her at her very own tribute. The same goes for that award the brothers got. Who cares about the brothers or Janet, when Michael is in the building?!

Another way of looking at it is that Michael could have gotten over himself, he could have put on a nice suit like the rest of the family and showed up. No bullshit monkey or Mr. Lewis in tow, or psuedo military themed do dads, or gloves ... and then held a respectful bearing for whatever was at hand for the family member in question and it would have been just fine. At the end of the day Michael only kept himself more shut off from the world by not showing up to his family stuff, he hurt himself the most. Not showing up allowed him to go deeper into the Dr. Murray woods and eventually be harmed. I did not show up for my family. It really was wrong not to do so. I hurt a lot of people's feelings. I shot myself in the foot. I regret not having shown up.

PatrickS77 said:

Azz said:

They were there for him when he wanted them:

and she defended him when he paid $ 25 million to a child who accused him of molestation:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...f08cX6gLZU

But when it was his brothers or sisters time to shine, he was never there:

Here are ALL the Jacksons awarding the brothers for their achievments in the music industry.

or when Janet was crowned the first MTV ICON. Every celebrity in the music industry, including her family was there.

Except Michael, who chose to send in an emotionless 15 second clip:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AB3r2boGwU

[Edited 7/30/12 18:45pm]

Blablabla... that's one way to look at it. The other is, that whenever Michael shows up somewhere the show becomes about him. Had he appeared at Janet's icon show, he would have upstaged her at her very own tribute. The same goes for that award the brothers got. Who cares about the brothers or Janet, when Michael is in the building?!

That's a load of BS, and you know it. You are just feeding MJ's ego, and I entirely disagree. Janet was chosen as the first MTV ICON, not MJ.

[Edited 7/31/12 12:44pm]

allsmutaside said:

Another way of looking at it is that Michael could have gotten over himself, he could have put on a nice suit like the rest of the family and showed up. No bullshit monkey or Mr. Lewis in tow, or psuedo military themed do dads, or gloves ... and then held a respectful bearing for whatever was at hand for the family member in question and it would have been just fine. At the end of the day Michael only kept himself more shut off from the world by not showing up to his family stuff, he hurt himself the most. Not showing up allowed him to go deeper into the Dr. Murray woods and eventually be harmed. I did not show up for my family. It really was wrong not to do so. I hurt a lot of people's feelings. I shot myself in the foot. I regret not having shown up.

Agreed. Everything MJ ever did, he pulled stunts to maximise media attention. But I guess that's what kept him famous when his quality of music, and popularity took a dive.

The fact that you don't like his music does not mean that it took a dive.

Azz said:

allsmutaside said:

Agreed. Everything MJ ever did, he pulled stunts to maximise media attention. But I guess that's what kept him famous when his quality of music, and popularity took a dive.

Azz said:

Azz said:

allsmutaside said:

Agreed. Everything MJ ever did, he pulled stunts to maximise media attention. But I guess that's what kept him famous when his quality of music, and popularity took a dive.

Please don't use what I had to say on this occasion to support some agenda other than what I was immediatley addressing. I would appreciate it.

@ass No, I don't. But you know that he usually overshadowed everything... whether he wanted it or not. You just don't want to admit it. Also there was another brother missing at the icon thing, that one didn't even send a video message, as no one gave a shit . And again at that award thing there also was another brother missing. And no one really cared. And LOL @ "chosen".

Edit: But just for the record, I too would have wished he attended both events.

[Edited 7/31/12 13:55pm]

^Yep, Jermajesty's dad was MIA at that event as well.

allsmutaside said:

Azz said:

Agreed. Everything MJ ever did, he pulled stunts to maximise media attention. But I guess that's what kept him famous when his quality of music, and popularity took a dive.

Please don't use what I had to say on this occasion to support some agenda other than what I was immediatley addressing. I would appreciate it.

Don't assume that the second and third sentences were in anyway attached to the first.

dag said:

The fact that you don't like his music does not mean that it took a dive.

Azz said:

Agreed. Everything MJ ever did, he pulled stunts to maximise media attention. But I guess that's what kept him famous when his quality of music, and popularity took a dive.

That is the general concensus by critics, evident in lower ratings, and by people, evident in lower sales.

musicology54 said:

Im not even gonna waist my time on this sentence.Azz said:

Agreed. Everything MJ ever did, he pulled stunts to maximise media attention. But I guess that's what kept him famous when his quality of music, and popularity took a dive.

I can't think of any event where MJ displayed any kind of regular behaviour.

Whether it was a press confrence or attending a trial date.

Azz said:

dag said:

The fact that you don't like his music does not mean that it took a dive.

That is the general concensus by critics, evident in lower ratings, and by people, evident in lower sales.

PatrickS77 said:

Azz said:

They were there for him when he wanted them:

and she defended him when he paid $ 25 million to a child who accused him of molestation:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...f08cX6gLZU

But when it was his brothers or sisters time to shine, he was never there:

Here are ALL the Jacksons awarding the brothers for their achievments in the music industry.

or when Janet was crowned the first MTV ICON. Every celebrity in the music industry, including her family was there.

Except Michael, who chose to send in an emotionless 15 second clip:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AB3r2boGwU

[Edited 7/30/12 18:45pm]

Blablabla... that's one way to look at it. The other is, that whenever Michael shows up somewhere the show becomes about him. Had he appeared at Janet's icon show, he would have upstaged her at her very own tribute. The same goes for that award the brothers got. Who cares about the brothers or Janet, when Michael is in the building?!

this dont even make sense,all he would have done was walk on stage, the crowd would clap really loud, he'd say a few words they clap some more, then he'd walk off. it would have been great for him to be the one to give janet her award.

aardvark15 said:

Azz said:

That is the general concensus by critics, evident in lower ratings, and by people, evident in lower sales.

I really don't care what critics think (I love Invincible) and the album was very successful. Sure the album wasn't another Thriller or even Dangerous, but the fact is album sales were already beginning to drop and the album has sold 13 million worldwide. It also debuted number one in the U.S.

But does it not show a decline?

allsmutaside said:

Another way of looking at it is that Michael could have gotten over himself, he could have put on a nice suit like the rest of the family and showed up. No bullshit monkey or Mr. Lewis in tow, or psuedo military themed do dads, or gloves ... and then held a respectful bearing for whatever was at hand for the family member in question and it would have been just fine. At the end of the day Michael only kept himself more shut off from the world by not showing up to his family stuff, he hurt himself the most. Not showing up allowed him to go deeper into the Dr. Murray woods and eventually be harmed. I did not show up for my family. It really was wrong not to do so. I hurt a lot of people's feelings. I shot myself in the foot. I regret not having shown up.

And sometimes family is just a cancer you need to cut out. Just because you're born into a family doesn't mean you need to put up with their bullshit. Mike's problem seemed to be that he turned his back on his family for people just like his family members, blood suckers who were only out for themselves. I know a lot of you come from nice, functional families who don't pull shit like this, but some family members think you're supposed to take all their shit and let them bleed you dry just because you all share the same DNA. I wouldn't put up with this behaviour from a stranger or a friend so why should i put up with it from "family"?

[Edited 7/31/12 14:56pm]

Azz said:

aardvark15 said:

I really don't care what critics think (I love Invincible) and the album was very successful. Sure the album wasn't another Thriller or even Dangerous, but the fact is album sales were already beginning to drop and the album has sold 13 million worldwide. It also debuted number one in the U.S.

But does it not show a decline?