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Reply #810 posted 07/25/12 5:23am

SoulAlive

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All I can say is thank God for the Jacksons.

I was really feeling robbed of a great summer tabloid story after Tom & Katie wrapped up that potentially ugly divorce so quickly.

And then these people come along and shit themselves all over the media. They just don't know how NOT to entertain. Hallelujah!! lol

the ironic thing is....I thought that things had finally gotten back to "normal" in Jackson Land.The brothers are on tour,Janet's doing Tyler Perry movies,Katherine and the children are living happily,and everyone is healing after the pain of MJ's death,etc.

and now here they are....acting like fools for the whole world to see disbelief Hell,next week's tabloids should just devote the entire issue to the Jacksons and their latest drama!

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Reply #811 posted 07/25/12 5:26am

Azz

Now Chris Brown is getting involved... eek

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Reply #812 posted 07/25/12 5:27am

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Azz said:

Now Chris Brown is getting involved... eek

Huh?

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Reply #813 posted 07/25/12 5:28am

Azz

@chrisbrown That Jackson family feud shit gotta stop! Stop making y'all business public! Michael was under enough scrutiny.

@chrisbrown Don't put the kids through the bullshit! Work y'all shit out as a family and stop giving them the pleasure of fucking wit y'all!

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Reply #814 posted 07/25/12 5:40am

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LOL Of all people.

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Reply #815 posted 07/25/12 5:46am

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@chrisbrown That Jackson family feud shit gotta stop! Stop making y'all business public! Michael was under enough scrutiny.

@chrisbrown Don't put the kids through the bullshit! Work y'all shit out as a family and stop giving them the pleasure of fucking wit y'all!

lol lol lol

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Reply #816 posted 07/25/12 5:48am

SoulAlive

Source: Jackson family 'imploding' as members struggle for control of King of Pop's kids, estate

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    Blanket, Prince and Paris Jackson. (Reuters)

Days after Katherine Jackson was reported missing by a family member, then found by police in Arizona with another family member, a family insider tells FOX411 Jackson family has “imploded,” and that the late King of Pop is starting to “look more and more like the normal one” in the tumultuous family.

The L.A Sheriff’s department showed up at the Jacksons’ Calabasas compound Monday to answer a family disturbance call that Janet, Randy and Jermaine Jackson were attempting to remove the children from the home against their will. No arrests were made, but police rep Steve Whitmore said a report was taken and that an investigation is underway regarding an alleged misdemeanor battery.

Katherine Jackson’s attorney told us her version of the events that transpired at the house.

“Certain Jackson family members ambushed Katherine Jackson’s home after their vehicle tore through security gates on the tails of the SUV containing Michael Jackson’s children. After exiting their vehicles, Jackson family members ran up to Michael’s children as they yelled and began to aggressively grab at the cell phones in their hands,” Katherine Jackson’s legal rep Sandra Rivera told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column. “Out of concern for the well being of Prince, Paris, and Blanket Jackson, the children were forced to temporarily leave their home and taken to a safe location. An altercation ensued shortly thereafter and law enforcement arrived at the scene.”

Rivera said that following the incident, one of the family members who was part of the ambush admitted that a plan has been in place for the last three years to remove Katherine Jackson from her home and her grandchildren, of whom she is the legal guardian.

“Prince, Paris, and Blanket Jackson have not heard from their grandmother since she left their home nine days ago to attend a series of her sons’ concerts on their Unity Tour. She never made the shows,” Rivera continued. “Despite efforts to interview Katherine Jackson at her current location in Arizona yesterday, Los Angeles County Sheriffs confirmed that they were denied access to Mrs. Jackson by security for one of her children.”

Our source said the family dispute comes down to one thing: cold hard cash.

“These are grown adults, and all of this is terribly embarrassing, and it all comes down to money,” the insider said. “When Janet, Randy and Jermaine went to the house, the mission was to take [the kids’] computers and electronics and limit their contact with the outside world. They don’t want them tweeting and they don’t want the world to know what is really going on.”

According to TMZ, Janet went so far as to slap Paris, screaming, "You're a spoiled little bitch!" The website reported that the teenager fired back with her own slap and told her famous aunt, "This is our house. Not the Jackson family house. Get the f**k out!"

But even though the Jacksons’ turmoil has been splashed over the Internet and TV, our insider said Katherine jackon has no clue any o fit is even going on.

“Katherine really doesn’t know about all this drama, the tweets and how this is all over the news,” said the source. “She just thinks they are with her nephew Trent, and are doing fine while she is on a vacation.”

But on Tuesday, a clearly far from fine Paris, 14, tweeted with regards to her grandmother’s disappearance: “9 days and counting… so help me god, I will make whoever did this pay.”

TJ Jackson, her cousin and the son of her uncle Tito, also tweeted to Paris: “I know it's completely unfair for them to do this to you and your brothers. We will keep trying. I love you.”

We’re told that TJ has been helping Trent care for the kids in Katherine’s absence, and as the estate executors are reportedly in the process of drafting legal documents in support of a temporary guardian, TJ is likely to be awarded temporary guardianship as appointed by the court. If granted, Michael’s kids will apparently move into TJ’s nearby Calabasas home that he shares with his wife and two young children.

“TJ has their back, he is on the side of the kids and the estate,” continued the insider.

The executors did not respond for comment as to whether a temporary guardianship request is in motion.

But TJ isn’t the only relative in the Calabasas area. We’re told Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of Prince and Paris, is now temporarily living with a family friend less than a mile away, and even paid a visit to the children early Tuesday following the dramatic altercation outside the family compound.

“Debbie went over to support and encourage them,” added the source. “Their relationship with her has really gotten a lot stronger over the past 18 months.”

As the saga continues, family members have taken to TV interviews to tell their sides of the story. An emotional Marlon Jackson told The Insider on Tuesday that "somebody made the decision that my mother cannot talk to me, and whoever that person is, they've got to answer to me."

Meanwhile Randy appeared on MSNBC to proclaim that Katherine is fine, and that the siblings went to Calabasas to let the children know that they can visit with her or talk to her at anytime. He went on to say that this isn't about the money or being left off Michael's will. He said the drama is meant to deflect attention from the letter some of the Jacksons sent, insisting that executors John Branca and John McClain resign under allegations of falsified documents.

Rivera did not respond to a request to confirm that the estate was seeking a temporary guardian, or that Rowe visited the home.

Reps for Janet Jackson, the Jackson brothers and Debbie Rowe did not respond to a request for comment.

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Reply #817 posted 07/25/12 5:49am

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Azz said:

@chrisbrown That Jackson family feud shit gotta stop! Stop making y'all business public! Michael was under enough scrutiny.

@chrisbrown Don't put the kids through the bullshit! Work y'all shit out as a family and stop giving them the pleasure of fucking wit y'all!

Now his ass...most seriously needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #818 posted 07/25/12 6:01am

Ottensen

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

musicjunky318 said:

So this would mean that Marlon, Jackie, & Tito have a problem with Rebbie too right? I'm trying to decide who's on what side. Latoya is nowhere to be seen (yet I'm sure she'll strike soon), and Randy, Janet, & Jermaine seem to be the three amigos making the most waves against the estate/children. They apparently know where Katherine is (as Randall points out in the Sharpton interview) which contrasts with what Marlon's crying about it. So there at odds.

It's Marlon, Jackie & Tito against Jermaine, Rebbie, Janet, & Randy.

We're just waiting on Black Death now to pick a team. There we go.

I just looked at the Insider video. I thought Marlon was alone in it but no, Jackie and Tito are there too. So WTF? They can't call Rebbie either? If Katherine is well enough to be up playing Uno with Rebbie and her family as the picture that was released suggests, then she seems well enough to handle a phone call letting her other children and her grandchildren know that she is alright.

This whole mess is truly bazaar, even by the Jackson's standards...it's bazaar as hell and that's scary!

[Edited 7/25/12 4:48am]

Gurl, yesss! Tito has withdrawn his name from Randy, Jermaine & Jan's complaint and is now on the side of the siblings who do not concur with the allegations made against the executors of the estate. nod That in and of itself leads me to be suspicious that exponential shade is involved.

Some hypothesis currently in my mind about this scenario:

1....that UNO picture. I'm still giving that one the side eye. You and I both work in fields where it's our job to use images to convey certain feelings or a point of view. We also know how many frames and how much editing it takes to convey exactly the message we want to communicate. From a production/ pr point of view- that pic could easily have been manipulated (i.e. staged) to back up claims that Mrs. Jackson is not only "safe", but fine with not communicating with her grandkids in California. At this point, I'm pulling the foul card on that one.

2. Some hypothesis on why Mrs. Jackson may be in contact with her children outside of Rebbie's circle of will contesters, the Michael's children (whom she's raising), and her own attorneys:

a. Her cel phone has been removed from her possession, and she is not being permitted to use the phone wherever she is

b. She is being told that the state of things at home in Calabasas and amongst the family is absolutely fine and under control and don't need her attention, and being encouraged to relax and de-stress, whatever the hell that means...and supported by the same doctor who had past dealing's with Michael's situation, no less.

c. She has zero clue to the storm brewing around her and Michael's estate, and the rest of the family. After all, Jermaine himself (with his hopelessly greazy behind) has already publicly stated that part of her "treatment" is to stay away from phones and computers..if that isn't the richest, boiling hot crock of **** I've ever heard faint

3. I actually believe Marlon when he's sitting there crying that he doesn't know exactly who has his mother and where, that he only knows what they've been told. I also believe that if when he gets ahold of his momma, somebody is going to get a can of whoopass opened on them for real (Jermaine, Chile, are you listening? Your brother's going to whoop that tail when he gets ahold of you....that is if you don't slip your greazy Dax slicked ass from under his grip hammer )

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Reply #819 posted 07/25/12 6:15am

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Ottensen you're a mess. LMAO @ #3 falloff

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Reply #820 posted 07/25/12 6:21am

Ottensen

musicjunky318 said:

Ottensen you're a mess. LMAO @ #3 falloff

After all these years y'all know how I am lurking lurking lurking

lol

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Reply #821 posted 07/25/12 6:29am

alphastreet

Greasy's head needs a can of whoop ass

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Reply #822 posted 07/25/12 6:38am

CynicKill

I feel bad for america's FIRST first black family.

A mass media mess.

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Reply #823 posted 07/25/12 6:42am

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Ottensen said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I just looked at the Insider video. I thought Marlon was alone in it but no, Jackie and Tito are there too. So WTF? They can't call Rebbie either? If Katherine is well enough to be up playing Uno with Rebbie and her family as the picture that was released suggests, then she seems well enough to handle a phone call letting her other children and her grandchildren know that she is alright.

This whole mess is truly bazaar, even by the Jackson's standards...it's bazaar as hell and that's scary!

[Edited 7/25/12 4:48am]

Gurl, yesss! Tito has withdrawn his name from Randy, Jermaine & Jan's complaint and is now on the side of the siblings who do not concur with the allegations made against the executors of the estate. nod That in and of itself leads me to be suspicious that exponential shade is involved.

Some hypothesis currently in my mind about this scenario:

1....that UNO picture. I'm still giving that one the side eye. You and I both work in fields where it's our job to use images to convey certain feelings or a point of view. We also know how many frames and how much editing it takes to convey exactly the message we want to communicate. From a production/ pr point of view- that pic could easily have been manipulated (i.e. staged) to back up claims that Mrs. Jackson is not only "safe", but fine with not communicating with her grandkids in California. At this point, I'm pulling the foul card on that one.

2. Some hypothesis on why Mrs. Jackson may be in contact with her children outside of Rebbie's circle of will contesters, the Michael's children (whom she's raising), and her own attorneys:

a. Her cel phone has been removed from her possession, and she is not being permitted to use the phone wherever she is

b. She is being told that the state of things at home in Calabasas and amongst the family is absolutely fine and under control and don't need her attention, and being encouraged to relax and de-stress, whatever the hell that means...and supported by the same doctor who had past dealing's with Michael's situation, no less.

c. She has zero clue to the storm brewing around her and Michael's estate, and the rest of the family. After all, Jermaine himself (with his hopelessly greazy behind) has already publicly stated that part of her "treatment" is to stay away from phones and computers..if that isn't the richest, boiling hot crock of **** I've ever heard faint

3. I actually believe Marlon when he's sitting there crying that he doesn't know exactly who has his mother and where, that he only knows what they've been told. I also believe that if when he gets ahold of his momma, somebody is going to get a can of whoopass opened on them for real (Jermaine, Chile, are you listening? Your brother's going to whoop that tail when he gets ahold of you....that is if you don't slip your greazy Dax slicked ass from under his grip hammer )

You know I've got mad side eye on that picture. I just wasn't giving them too much credit on photo manipulation because frankly...they just don't seem that clever to me. lol I do think the pic could be old though, as in taken back in April I think it was, along with another pic of Katherine that I've seen from when she was there at that time.

I honestly can't believe that Katherine knows what's going on and is condoning it. If everything is on the up and up, she should just call Marlon and the others and just say, "I'm alright, don't worry." Because she would have to know that they are worried about her and I just don't want to believe that she would intentionally do that to them.

I hope Marlon does start whooping some ass! Starting with Jermaine and Randy's sorry asses. OMG, those two are just pathetic and I'd bet cash money they started this whole mess.

I wished I could have slapped the hell out of Randy yesterday, when he was talking that family shit and say, "Motherfucker! You and Jermaine owe child support to the same crazy bitch that was refusing to leave your mother's house and you couldn't do a damn thing about it. Shut that "family" bullshit up!"

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #824 posted 07/25/12 6:43am

allsmutaside

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Azz said:

I repeat: Whilst Marlon is distraught, Paris' seems to be relishing this:

Paris does not play. *snaps in Z formation*

yea ? bite me.

So, it took a total stranger to tell Paris get off Twitter, and stop putting her family business out there? Shame disbelief

Yes, it does. Paris is not out of the blue putting family business out there. She is doing it in response to some straight up shady bullshit. And stupid shady bullshit at that. Randy is showing himself to be about as smart and sane as the can that the whoop ass surely waiting for him is coming in. Janet, I love her, but perhaps everyone would have been better served if she had just put her neice directly in touch with her grandmother. Just whipped out her own phone and called the woman for her, right then and there and ended it all. Oh, that's right, Janet's phone seemed to be occupied being used as a camera to capture this lovely family reunion. Why do people seem to hold a 14 year old child accountable but let a grown folks run amok. At the end of the day, for someone who was forced to wear a mask when she was out in public with her father, she seems remarkably well adjusted.

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Reply #825 posted 07/25/12 6:46am

AsherFierce

Now Chris Brown trying to be the voice of reason? lol This is a grade A, five star, ten out of ten mess. Hopefully the Jackson family can get it sorted out but ya never know. shrug bored2

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Reply #826 posted 07/25/12 6:54am

Ottensen

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Ottensen said:

Gurl, yesss! Tito has withdrawn his name from Randy, Jermaine & Jan's complaint and is now on the side of the siblings who do not concur with the allegations made against the executors of the estate. nod That in and of itself leads me to be suspicious that exponential shade is involved.

.... I also believe that if when he gets ahold of his momma, somebody is going to get a can of whoopass opened on them for real (Jermaine, Chile, are you listening? Your brother's going to whoop that tail when he gets ahold of you....that is if you don't slip your greazy Dax slicked ass from under his grip hammer )

You know I've got mad side eye on that picture. I just wasn't giving them too much credit on photo manipulation because frankly...they just don't seem that clever to me. lol I do think the pic could be old though, as in taken back in April I think it was, along with another pic of Katherine that I've seen from when she was there at that time.

I honestly can't believe that Katherine knows what's going on and is condoning it. If everything is on the up and up, she should just call Marlon and the others and just say, "I'm alright, don't worry." Because she would have to know that they are worried about her and I just don't want to believe that she would intentionally do that to them.

I hope Marlon does start whooping some ass! Starting with Jermaine and Randy's sorry asses. OMG, those two are just pathetic and I'd bet cash money they started this whole mess.

I wished I could have slapped the hell out of Randy yesterday, when he was talking that family shit and say, "Motherfucker! You and Jermaine owe child support to the same crazy bitch that was refusing to leave your mother's house and you couldn't do a damn thing about it. Shut that "family" bullshit up!"

Tell the truth and shame the devil, them boys is trifling as hay-ell! They remind me of my dearly departed great auntie's sons faint

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Reply #827 posted 07/25/12 6:58am

musicology54

Out of all the people on twitter I never thought I'd see Chris brown acting sane. Plus I'm glad that the bickering on this thread has toned down.
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Reply #828 posted 07/25/12 7:02am

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Ottensen said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

You know I've got mad side eye on that picture. I just wasn't giving them too much credit on photo manipulation because frankly...they just don't seem that clever to me. lol I do think the pic could be old though, as in taken back in April I think it was, along with another pic of Katherine that I've seen from when she was there at that time.

I honestly can't believe that Katherine knows what's going on and is condoning it. If everything is on the up and up, she should just call Marlon and the others and just say, "I'm alright, don't worry." Because she would have to know that they are worried about her and I just don't want to believe that she would intentionally do that to them.

I hope Marlon does start whooping some ass! Starting with Jermaine and Randy's sorry asses. OMG, those two are just pathetic and I'd bet cash money they started this whole mess.

I wished I could have slapped the hell out of Randy yesterday, when he was talking that family shit and say, "Motherfucker! You and Jermaine owe child support to the same crazy bitch that was refusing to leave your mother's house and you couldn't do a damn thing about it. Shut that "family" bullshit up!"

Tell the truth and shame the devil, them boys is trifling as hay-ell! They remind me of my dearly departed great auntie's sons faint

falloff Is that not some repugnant trifling hot mess??? Yet, many grown folks are trying to come down on Paris. GTFOHWTBS! I'd believe the ghost of Bubbles the chimp, before I'd believe anything out of Jermaine and Randy's mouths. lol

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #829 posted 07/25/12 7:38am

duccichucka

This family puts the "fun" in "dysfunctional."

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Reply #830 posted 07/25/12 7:48am

mjscarousal

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Ottensen said:

Gurl, yesss! Tito has withdrawn his name from Randy, Jermaine & Jan's complaint and is now on the side of the siblings who do not concur with the allegations made against the executors of the estate. nod That in and of itself leads me to be suspicious that exponential shade is involved.

Some hypothesis currently in my mind about this scenario:

1....that UNO picture. I'm still giving that one the side eye. You and I both work in fields where it's our job to use images to convey certain feelings or a point of view. We also know how many frames and how much editing it takes to convey exactly the message we want to communicate. From a production/ pr point of view- that pic could easily have been manipulated (i.e. staged) to back up claims that Mrs. Jackson is not only "safe", but fine with not communicating with her grandkids in California. At this point, I'm pulling the foul card on that one.

2. Some hypothesis on why Mrs. Jackson may be in contact with her children outside of Rebbie's circle of will contesters, the Michael's children (whom she's raising), and her own attorneys:

a. Her cel phone has been removed from her possession, and she is not being permitted to use the phone wherever she is

b. She is being told that the state of things at home in Calabasas and amongst the family is absolutely fine and under control and don't need her attention, and being encouraged to relax and de-stress, whatever the hell that means...and supported by the same doctor who had past dealing's with Michael's situation, no less.

c. She has zero clue to the storm brewing around her and Michael's estate, and the rest of the family. After all, Jermaine himself (with his hopelessly greazy behind) has already publicly stated that part of her "treatment" is to stay away from phones and computers..if that isn't the richest, boiling hot crock of **** I've ever heard faint

3. I actually believe Marlon when he's sitting there crying that he doesn't know exactly who has his mother and where, that he only knows what they've been told. I also believe that if when he gets ahold of his momma, somebody is going to get a can of whoopass opened on them for real (Jermaine, Chile, are you listening? Your brother's going to whoop that tail when he gets ahold of you....that is if you don't slip your greazy Dax slicked ass from under his grip hammer )

You know I've got mad side eye on that picture. I just wasn't giving them too much credit on photo manipulation because frankly...they just don't seem that clever to me. lol I do think the pic could be old though, as in taken back in April I think it was, along with another pic of Katherine that I've seen from when she was there at that time.

I honestly can't believe that Katherine knows what's going on and is condoning it. If everything is on the up and up, she should just call Marlon and the others and just say, "I'm alright, don't worry." Because she would have to know that they are worried about her and I just don't want to believe that she would intentionally do that to them.

I hope Marlon does start whooping some ass! Starting with Jermaine and Randy's sorry asses. OMG, those two are just pathetic and I'd bet cash money they started this whole mess.

I wished I could have slapped the hell out of Randy yesterday, when he was talking that family shit and say, "Motherfucker! You and Jermaine owe child support to the same crazy bitch that was refusing to leave your mother's house and you couldn't do a damn thing about it. Shut that "family" bullshit up!"

Something is mentally wrong with these people eek Why are they still feeding the public that UNITED FAMILY bullshit. The family is divided and its clear their not close... so why do they keep saying that? neutral

Michael was the only honest Jackson in regards to how his FAMILY really were. There not close and while they tell Katherine more than what they might tell Joe... they manipulate their own mother because shes old.... just sad.

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Reply #831 posted 07/25/12 7:48am

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SoulAlive said:

  • paris prince blanket jackson 2012 reuters.JPG

Not tryin to start nothin but tell me the oldest boy doesn't look like the dermatologist in this picture.

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Reply #832 posted 07/25/12 7:54am

alphastreet

duccichucka said:

This family puts the "fun" in "dysfunctional."

can't say I disagree lol
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Reply #833 posted 07/25/12 7:54am

SeventeenDayze

musicjunky318 said:

SoulAlive said:

  • paris prince blanket jackson 2012 reuters.JPG

Not tryin to start nothin but tell me the oldest boy doesn't look like the dermatologist in this picture.

Naw, I think he's spitting image of Marlon Brando (one of Brando's kids was rumored to be father)

Trolls be gone!
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Reply #834 posted 07/25/12 7:55am

alphastreet

musicjunky318 said:

SoulAlive said:

  • paris prince blanket jackson 2012 reuters.JPG

Not tryin to start nothin but tell me the oldest boy doesn't look like the dermatologist in this picture.

Prince Arnold? lol

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Reply #835 posted 07/25/12 8:04am

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musicjunky318 said:

SoulAlive said:

  • paris prince blanket jackson 2012 reuters.JPG

Not tryin to start nothin but tell me the oldest boy doesn't look like the dermatologist in this picture.

I'm sure 99% that Dr. Klein is the biological father of Prince. But let's not start something .. lol

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Reply #836 posted 07/25/12 8:17am

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alphastreet said:

musicjunky318 said:

Not tryin to start nothin but tell me the oldest boy doesn't look like the dermatologist in this picture.

Prince Arnold? lol

falloff

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Reply #837 posted 07/25/12 8:21am

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Katherine Jackson
PLOT CRUMBLES
Returns to L.A.

[img:$uid]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/25/072512-jackson-gma-launch-v2-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

Michael Jackson's conspiratorial siblings couldn't withstand the onslaught of bad publicity ... because Randy Jackson just revealed that his mother Katherine is finally returning to L.A. -- proof the Jackson scheme has completely fallen apart.

Katherine has been holed up in Arizona for the past 10 days ... after she was effectively kidnapped by Randy and several other Jackson siblings in what appears to be a scheme to pressure Katherine to try and overthrow the executors of the Michael Jackson estate.

But moments ago, Randy -- the family ringleader -- appeared on "Good Morning America" ... and announced his mother was finally coming home ... just one day after Tito BAILED on the plot.

It's unclear if this will affect TJ Jackson's plan to seek temporary guardianship of MJ's kids.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/0...ullwrapper

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Reply #838 posted 07/25/12 8:25am

mancabdriver

dag said:

mancabdriver said:

Please read the post carefully before gettting all excited with your replies.

The word initially does not make that much difference, cause the other siblings also had Joe there and none of the other brothers made it this far. The fact that Joseph helped him initially does not mean he wouldn't be able to do it himself, so what's your point? The fact that I can't obviously prove it cause I am not God to change the history does not mean that it couldn't happen. The fact that he was able to go on without his family while the rest struggled proves he was able to do very well himself.

You’re clearly not understanding the point being made, which is that without Joe’s relentless pursuit for the Jackson 5 to succeed they wouldn’t have made it. A 10year old MJ will have never gone to Barry Gordy on his own accord.

Even La Toya Jackson acknowledged this.

My god what kind of people are on this forum? – you’d think it was a Taylor Swift or One Direction one.

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Reply #839 posted 07/25/12 8:31am

alphastreet

musicjunky318 said:

alphastreet said:

Prince Arnold? lol

falloff

lol has quite a nice ring to it doesn't it

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Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Katherine Jackson reported MISSING!