Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

It was something about there first meeting in 1856 and how they had a sing off.

1956 at a sing-off lol I can believe it. They always seem like they were in competition with each other. In fact I can kinda believe James swagger jacked Joe just a smudge. Even their vocal styles were similar to some degree!

Ok, it wasn't a sing off but it was close, I found it.

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

dang!!! the ticket prices back then

Makes you realize we've done come a LONG way...

yeah, for the worse

prices these days are ridiculous

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

1956 at a sing-off lol I can believe it. They always seem like they were in competition with each other. In fact I can kinda believe James swagger jacked Joe just a smudge. Even their vocal styles were similar to some degree!

Ok, it wasn't a sing off but it was close, I found it.

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

"Battle of the Blues" lol I like that.

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

Makes you realize we've done come a LONG way...

yeah, for the worse

prices these days are ridiculous

To be frank, I think the billing LBC posted was from an auditorium that would feature like 2,000 people (which is still large) but prices are probably higher than they were here especially since we don't have "concert dances" anymore.

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

yeah, for the worse

prices these days are ridiculous

To be frank, I think the billing LBC posted was from an auditorium that would feature like 2,000 people (which is still large) but prices are probably higher than they were here especially since we don't have "concert dances" anymore.

I bet it was less than 2,000. The Apollo and Howard Theaters didn't even hold that many.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

To be frank, I think the billing LBC posted was from an auditorium that would feature like 2,000 people (which is still large) but prices are probably higher than they were here especially since we don't have "concert dances" anymore.

I bet it was less than 2,000. The Apollo and Howard Theaters didn't even hold that many.

True. Might've been a good 800.

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

Makes you realize we've done come a LONG way...

yeah, for the worse

prices these days are ridiculous

But back then, it was just the singer/band, basic instruments, and maybe a couple of small amps. No pyro, dancers, giant screens, big fancy stage, light shows, sound system, roadies, security, etc. So low overhead.

Lol at JB's reaction when Hank Ballard screams Joe Tex's name.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Lol at JB's reaction when Hank Ballard screams Joe Tex's name.

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Man their rivalry was DEEP!

James always stayed beefing with someone lol

In 1975, David Bowie came out with the song, "Fame", which he wrote with the help of Carlos Alomar (who wrote the music, especially the famous guitar riff) and John Lennon (who wrote the chorus and insisted the song's name should be "Fame"). The song gave David some fans in the R&B community (hence why he was invited to perform on "Soul Train" later).

Anyway, when James heard the song, he was reportedly pissed because he felt they had stolen his guitar riff (though it was never used in any of his songs). To make matters worse, Carlos was a former member of James' late 1960s road band and was many that walked out on him during the James Brown Band mutiny of 1970.

So to claim back "ownership" of the riff, he created an answer song (of sorts) to "Fame" called "Hot (I Need to Be Loved, Loved, Loved)", which basically sampled the "Fame" riff, I guess in his attempt to tell Carlos and David, "well if you guys can make a hit out of it, then so can I!"

Unfortunately for James, the song only made it to #31 R&B. Pop radio ignored it.

Bowie saluting "ce première femme noire"

HuMpThAnG said:

dang!!! the ticket prices back then

For real!

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Ok, it wasn't a sing off but it was close, I found it.

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

"Battle of the Blues" lol I like that.

Me thinks Joe maybe one upped him in that battle and James never forgot.

And you know Joe being a jokester probably made sure James never forgot and it ate at him for over 25 years.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

"Battle of the Blues" lol I like that.

Me thinks Joe maybe one upped him in that battle and James never forgot.

And you know Joe being a jokester probably made sure James never forgot and it ate at him for over 25 years.

I can believe it. Joe will never make him forget it either probably: "Face it James, I whipped your ass onstage all those years ago." In fact both of them were always saying they were the real "number-one soul men" and shit. Joe didn't take James' new nickname of Godfather of Soul serious in 1973. "Godfather? Everyone knows he's only a pretender". I know James was mad at him. That's why he didn't get him respect. It was like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Joe at least tried helping him get another hit but James never respected him, even taking Bea Ford as his romantic mistress lol

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Me thinks Joe maybe one upped him in that battle and James never forgot.

And you know Joe being a jokester probably made sure James never forgot and it ate at him for over 25 years.

I can believe it. Joe will never make him forget it either probably: "Face it James, I whipped your ass onstage all those years ago." In fact both of them were always saying they were the real "number-one soul men" and shit. Joe didn't take James' new nickname of Godfather of Soul serious in 1973. "Godfather? Everyone knows he's only a pretender". I know James was mad at him. That's why he didn't get him respect. It was like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Joe at least tried helping him get another hit but James never respected him, even taking Bea Ford as his romantic mistress lol

Joe put the name "The New Soul Brother #1" on his tour bus around 67-68 and JB was calling himself Soul Brother #1.

But in a book I read, James said he didn't know Bea Ford was married to Joe Tex when he met up with her in 1960. Joe and Bea had already been divorced in 1959 when JB met her and asked her to be part of his show.

One day in 1961 on tour in Texas, Joe visited JB backstage at a show and Bea was back there. This is when Joe bought "Baby You're Right" to Jame attention. He was suprised to find her making herself at home in the dressing room but carried on with his business.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

I can believe it. Joe will never make him forget it either probably: "Face it James, I whipped your ass onstage all those years ago." In fact both of them were always saying they were the real "number-one soul men" and shit. Joe didn't take James' new nickname of Godfather of Soul serious in 1973. "Godfather? Everyone knows he's only a pretender". I know James was mad at him. That's why he didn't get him respect. It was like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Joe at least tried helping him get another hit but James never respected him, even taking Bea Ford as his romantic mistress lol

Joe put the name "The New Soul Brother #1" on his tour bus around 67-68 and JB was calling himself Soul Brother #1.

But in a book I read, James said he didn't know Bea Ford was married to Joe Tex when he met up with her in 1960. Joe and Bea had already been divorced in 1959 when JB met her and asked her to be part of his show.

One day in 1961 on tour in Texas, Joe visited JB backstage at a show and Bea was back there. This is when Joe bought "Baby You're Right" to Jame attention. He was suprised to find her making herself at home in the dressing room but carried on with his business.

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Hmm interesting. So by the time Bea was working with James, she and Joe had already divorced? I see. I guess Bea didn't tell him about Joe lol

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Joe put the name "The New Soul Brother #1" on his tour bus around 67-68 and JB was calling himself Soul Brother #1.

But in a book I read, James said he didn't know Bea Ford was married to Joe Tex when he met up with her in 1960. Joe and Bea had already been divorced in 1959 when JB met her and asked her to be part of his show.

One day in 1961 on tour in Texas, Joe visited JB backstage at a show and Bea was back there. This is when Joe bought "Baby You're Right" to Jame attention. He was suprised to find her making herself at home in the dressing room but carried on with his business.

[Edited 7/14/12 15:41pm]

Hmm interesting. So by the time Bea was working with James, she and Joe had already divorced? I see. I guess Bea didn't tell him about Joe lol

Or maybe when they met, she saw a picture or Joe's face with darts on them.

Bea: Hey babe (acting like she don't know) who's that?

JB: Some little mothafucka who think he can sing and dance better than me ... fuck him!!

Bea: Oh he's a singer too ...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Hmm interesting. So by the time Bea was working with James, she and Joe had already divorced? I see. I guess Bea didn't tell him about Joe lol

Or maybe when they met, she saw a picture or Joe's face with darts on them.

Bea: Hey babe (acting like she don't know) who's that?

JB: Some little mothafucka who think he can sing and dance better than me ... fuck him!!

Bea: Oh he's a singer too ...

Oh wow! Damn James hated him, didn't he?!

"THAT GUY AIN'T GOT MOVES LIKE ME MAN!" James sound like he was more bitter about Joe than Joe was about James having the success he had lol

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Or maybe when they met, she saw a picture or Joe's face with darts on them.

Bea: Hey babe (acting like she don't know) who's that?

JB: Some little mothafucka who think he can sing and dance better than me ... fuck him!!

Bea: Oh he's a singer too ...

Oh wow! Damn James hated him, didn't he?!

"THAT GUY AIN'T GOT MOVES LIKE ME MAN!" James sound like he was more bitter about Joe than Joe was about James having the success he had lol

The thing is they seemed cool even in that meeting backstage in 1961. Something must have happened we don't know about between that time and 1963?

All we know that happened in 63 is James sent a letter to JB about Bea, Joe then put out "You Keep Her" and the shooting at JB's homecoming concert.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh wow! Damn James hated him, didn't he?!

"THAT GUY AIN'T GOT MOVES LIKE ME MAN!" James sound like he was more bitter about Joe than Joe was about James having the success he had lol

The thing is they seemed cool even in that meeting backstage in 1961. Something must have happened we don't know about between that time and 1963?

All we know that happened in 63 is James sent a letter to JB about Bea, Joe then put out "You Keep Her" and the shooting at JB's homecoming concert.

Something happened yes lol but by whose hand, who knows? But the issue I bet had to do with James' complete lack of respect for Joe's song, King's promotion of him, and Bea Ford singing with him. James' beef is with Joe mocking him at his homecoming concert but it may have been deeper for Joe. I mean, he probably still had affections for Bea lol

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

The thing is they seemed cool even in that meeting backstage in 1961. Something must have happened we don't know about between that time and 1963?

All we know that happened in 63 is James sent a letter to JB about Bea, Joe then put out "You Keep Her" and the shooting at JB's homecoming concert.

Something happened yes lol but by whose hand, who knows? But the issue I bet had to do with James' complete lack of respect for Joe's song, King's promotion of him, and Bea Ford singing with him. James' beef is with Joe mocking him at his homecoming concert but it may have been deeper for Joe. I mean, he probably still had affections for Bea lol

James disrespect toward Joe didn't happen until after the shooting and all that.

Joe actually showed him love in one of his 1966 songs "If I were a dancefloor, James Brown could mashed potatoes on me all night long"

But it is deeper, with Bea and maybe even his stge show who Joe said James took from him.

But it's still wierd he would even visit him backstage and offer him a song he wrote when by 1961, I know Joe had seen his stage show, ect. I wonder is Bea is still around or someone back then so they can write a book.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Something happened yes lol but by whose hand, who knows? But the issue I bet had to do with James' complete lack of respect for Joe's song, King's promotion of him, and Bea Ford singing with him. James' beef is with Joe mocking him at his homecoming concert but it may have been deeper for Joe. I mean, he probably still had affections for Bea lol

James disrespect toward Joe didn't happen until after the shooting and all that.

Joe actually showed him love in one of his 1966 songs "If I were a dancefloor, James Brown could mashed potatoes on me all night long"

But it is deeper, with Bea and maybe even his stge show who Joe said James took from him.

But it's still wierd he would even visit him backstage and offer him a song he wrote when by 1961, I know Joe had seen his stage show, ect. I wonder is Bea is still around or someone back then so they can write a book.

True. Joe was kinda like 2Pac. He claimed not only did he write James' songs, he also said James stole his suits, his dance moves, his entire style and everything and that he felt James had ripped him off. I'm surprised he didn't do any diss records like James did with "Funky Side of Town".

Hank Ballard: JOE TEX!
James Brown: Who? What?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

The Flames basically stopped performing on record with JB in 1963 (though they do back him on 64's Maybe The Last Time.) The did back him on stage untill late 1967 though only 2 were left, the two Bobby's.

I wonder if he kept them on the pressing so they could still get some album royalties?

This is true, both Bobby's accompanied JB on his historic '66 European Tour. To me this video was quintessential JB.

Smittyrock70 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

The Flames basically stopped performing on record with JB in 1963 (though they do back him on 64's Maybe The Last Time.) The did back him on stage untill late 1967 though only 2 were left, the two Bobby's.

I wonder if he kept them on the pressing so they could still get some album royalties?

This is true, both Bobby's accompanied JB on his historic '66 European Tour. To me this video was quintessential JB.

Do you know who were the members of the Famous Flames when they recorded a single in 1970/1971? Johnny Terry was a writter so I'm assuming him and some other guys. Not sure if former Flames or noy?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Smittyrock70 said:

This is true, both Bobby's accompanied JB on his historic '66 European Tour. To me this video was quintessential JB.

Do you know who were the members of the Famous Flames when they recorded a single in 1970/1971? Johnny Terry was a writter so I'm assuming him and some other guys. Not sure if former Flames or noy?

I dunno. I have to research that.

Smittyrock70 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Do you know who were the members of the Famous Flames when they recorded a single in 1970/1971? Johnny Terry was a writter so I'm assuming him and some other guys. Not sure if former Flames or noy?

I dunno. I have to research that.

http://randall-funk.blogs...knows.html

I found a link to their single, of course not sure WHo's singing lead. I'm guessing Johnny Terry since he wrote the tune. I'm guessing Bill Hollings and maybe Bobby Bennett and Baby Lloyd made up the other Flames.

Seems like I left one man out of the "interim Flames": a fellow Dominion named Willie Johnson. He stayed with James for a while and sung on "Good Good Lovin'", "Think" and "Bewildered", wondered when HE left.

I also wonder why Lloyd wasn't there at the Olympia... he couldn't afford a visa/passport?

Timmy84 said:

Seems like I left one man out of the "interim Flames": a fellow Dominion named Willie Johnson. He stayed with James for a while and sung on "Good Good Lovin'", "Think" and "Bewildered", wondered when HE left.

I also wonder why Lloyd wasn't there at the Olympia... he couldn't afford a visa/passport?

I see Lloyd in between the teo bobby's and I haven't heard of Willie Johnson. I do see him on the credits of my disc now that you mentionit, but it doesn't have him as a former member of the Dominions.