Harlepolis said:

babybugz said:

Aaliyah was only appreciated after she died. I remember here in New York Hot 97 was making fun of the plane crash I believe.

Was that Miss Jones' show? Gotta be, she's the ONLY one willing to stoop this low, she done it before.

I think it was Star and Bucwild. I also think they got fired after that, but I don't live in NYC, so I'm not sure.

Paris9748430 said:

Harlepolis said:

Was that Miss Jones' show? Gotta be, she's the ONLY one willing to stoop this low, she done it before.

I think it was Star and Bucwild. I also think they got fired after that, but I don't live in NYC, so I'm not sure.

Ah now I remember! Yeah it was them.

Paris9748430 said:

Harlepolis said:

Was that Miss Jones' show? Gotta be, she's the ONLY one willing to stoop this low, she done it before.

I think it was Star and Bucwild. I also think they got fired after that, but I don't live in NYC, so I'm not sure.

radio jocks in NYC seem to be on the extra side. Charlamagne The God is just an asshole from the stuff I've heard from him

bboy87 said:

Paris9748430 said:

I think it was Star and Bucwild. I also think they got fired after that, but I don't live in NYC, so I'm not sure.

radio jocks in NYC seem to be on the extra side. Charlamagne The God is just an asshole from the stuff I've heard from him

I heard the same about him.

bboy87 said:

Paris9748430 said:

I think it was Star and Bucwild. I also think they got fired after that, but I don't live in NYC, so I'm not sure.

radio jocks in NYC seem to be on the extra side. Charlamagne The God is just an asshole from the stuff I've heard from him

Charlamagne is from the South though, but I agree, shock jock became sort of like the common NYC station language. Outside of Egypt, Angie and Mtume, I don't think I listened to NYC stations anymore.

bboy87 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I know, but c'mon. Black people are extra as it is, but really? REALLY?

That's how we are about our favorite artists

Vainandy said Teena, Luther, Rick, and others didn't get much love when they passed....SHIIIIIIIIIT maybe not in Mississippi because when Rick died, they announced over the radio here, did a moment of silence and launched into a mix right after. Folks were HURT when Rick passed, same with Luther

My mom told me when Marvin passed. She had to pull the car over and cry

I had just come in to work on the day that Rick died and a coworker's mother called up here and told us about it. They all got off at 5:00 p.m. that evening but I had to continue working until around 11:00 that night so when they left at 5:00 p.m., I turned on the radio. One R&B station played about an hour and a half or two hours of Rick's songs and that was it. The same thing with Michael Jackson also.

But in the longterm of things over the years, when it comes to Tupac, they have made him out to be some sort of undeserving "legend" status like Elvis or Michael Jackson or something. Hell, they haven't even put James Brown up on a pedastol like that and Lord knows what a huge star and influence he was. The thing is, shit hop dominated when Tupac was killed and it still dominates now. Actually, looking back now, his death was the worst thing that could have happened to music because not only did it help the genre to continue, but it also made the glamorization of thugs grow to even bigger heights. If he had lived, he would have eventually just fizzled out like everyone else and maybe we could have possibly gotten a full and complete style change in R&B. But when someone becomes a "legend", and Lord knows I taste a little vomit in my mouth every time I think of it, their influence lives on. I want the damn glamorization of thugs and criminals gone.

vainandy said:

bboy87 said:

That's how we are about our favorite artists

Vainandy said Teena, Luther, Rick, and others didn't get much love when they passed....SHIIIIIIIIIT maybe not in Mississippi because when Rick died, they announced over the radio here, did a moment of silence and launched into a mix right after. Folks were HURT when Rick passed, same with Luther

My mom told me when Marvin passed. She had to pull the car over and cry

I had just come in to work on the day that Rick died and a coworker's mother called up here and told us about it. They all got off at 5:00 p.m. that evening but I had to continue working until around 11:00 that night so when they left at 5:00 p.m., I turned on the radio. One R&B station played about an hour and a half or two hours of Rick's songs and that was it. The same thing with Michael Jackson also.

But in the longterm of things over the years, when it comes to Tupac, they have made him out to be some sort of undeserving "legend" status like Elvis or Michael Jackson or something. Hell, they haven't even put James Brown up on a pedastol like that and Lord knows what a huge star and influence he was. The thing is, shit hop dominated when Tupac was killed and it still dominates now. Actually, looking back now, his death was the worst thing that could have happened to music because not only did it help the genre to continue, but it also made the glamorization of thugs grow to even bigger heights. If he had lived, he would have eventually just fizzled out like everyone else and maybe we could have possibly gotten a full and complete style change in R&B. But when someone becomes a "legend", and Lord knows I taste a little vomit in my mouth every time I think of it, their influence lives on. I want the damn glamorization of thugs and criminals gone.

These are all very good points, especially the one about how Tupac has been made a bigger legend than James Brown, which is CRAZY when I think about it. Keen observations Vain One.

As someone who grew up on Hip Hop from its infant stages and watched it grow into the precious obese thing we have today, I was truly saddened for the culture as a whole. I wasn't shocked with Pac's passing and I damn sure was expecting Biggie to catch it soon after Pac was killt (Yes, I know better). Why? because you can't play with fire and not get burned.

It was personal to an extent because this was my generation's music. A lot of my varied musical influences came from having older than usual parents and a slew of older siblings, who allowed me to explore different genre's from different generations. But this was different. These were my people, around my age. I think what pissed me off more than anything was the fact that it seemed sooooo SENSELESS to me. For me, it was Hip Hop's greatest blemish. This far exceeded the early days of people being shot at the live shows or being trampled to death because of overcrowding at a venue. The whole East Coast, West Coast fiasco was instigated by the media (black media outlets included) but everyone bought into it like fools. I remember thinking, "What the hell are we doing?" I remember the feuds between friends over this crap, over people who wouldn't know them from Adam. So yes, I was more pissed at how this thing grew into a monster that couldn't be put back into its cave and two people actually lost their lives over it. Dumb.

Every culture, every generation have their "icons" that garners the emotions that's liken to the lost of a family member. This isn't just a black thing as suggested. However, that scene in Brooklyn was something special

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

What did he say?

He basically dismissed the account of their deaths as "assassinations".

Here is what was actually said:

Tupac Shakur was assassinated, Biggie Smalls assassinated, struck down by assassin's bullets … no, they wasn't. Martin Luther King was assassinated, Malcolm X was assassinated, John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Them two niggas got shot! Shit, I love Tupac, I love Biggie, but school will be open on their birthday.

You gotta love Chris.

[Edited 1/17/12 12:43pm]

Musicslave said:

As someone who grew up on Hip Hop from its infant stages and watched it grow into the precious obese thing we have today, I was truly saddened for the culture as a whole. I wasn't shocked with Pac's passing and I damn sure was expecting Biggie to catch it soon after Pac was killt (Yes, I know better). Why? because you can't play with fire and not get burned.

It was personal to an extent because this was my generation's music. A lot of my varied musical influences came from having older than usual parents and a slew of older siblings, who allowed me to explore different genre's from different generations. But this was different. These were my people, around my age. I think what pissed me off more than anything was the fact that it seemed sooooo SENSELESS to me. For me, it was Hip Hop's greatest blemish. This far exceeded the early days of people being shot at the live shows or being trampled to death because of overcrowding at a venue. The whole East Coast, West Coast fiasco was instigated by the media (black media outlets included) but everyone bought into it like fools. I remember thinking, "What the hell are we doing?" I remember the feuds between friends over this crap, over people who wouldn't know them from Adam. So yes, I was more pissed at how this thing grew into a monster that couldn't be put back into its cave and two people actually lost their lives over it. Dumb.

Every culture, every generation have their "icons" that garners the emotions that's liken to the lost of a family member. This isn't just a black thing as suggested. However, that scene in Brooklyn was something special

I was surprised when black media outlets blew that East Coast/West Coast bullshit and maddened too. Then when they die they wanna go "let's unite". Fuck outta here. 15 years later and we're still fucked up.

Timmy84 said:

Musicslave said:

As someone who grew up on Hip Hop from its infant stages and watched it grow into the precious obese thing we have today, I was truly saddened for the culture as a whole. I wasn't shocked with Pac's passing and I damn sure was expecting Biggie to catch it soon after Pac was killt (Yes, I know better). Why? because you can't play with fire and not get burned.

It was personal to an extent because this was my generation's music. A lot of my varied musical influences came from having older than usual parents and a slew of older siblings, who allowed me to explore different genre's from different generations. But this was different. These were my people, around my age. I think what pissed me off more than anything was the fact that it seemed sooooo SENSELESS to me. For me, it was Hip Hop's greatest blemish. This far exceeded the early days of people being shot at the live shows or being trampled to death because of overcrowding at a venue. The whole East Coast, West Coast fiasco was instigated by the media (black media outlets included) but everyone bought into it like fools. I remember thinking, "What the hell are we doing?" I remember the feuds between friends over this crap, over people who wouldn't know them from Adam. So yes, I was more pissed at how this thing grew into a monster that couldn't be put back into its cave and two people actually lost their lives over it. Dumb.

Every culture, every generation have their "icons" that garners the emotions that's liken to the lost of a family member. This isn't just a black thing as suggested. However, that scene in Brooklyn was something special

I was surprised when black media outlets blew that East Coast/West Coast bullshit and maddened too. Then when they die they wanna go "let's unite". Fuck outta here. 15 years later and we're still fucked up.

Yup!

Timmy84 said:

Musicslave said:

As someone who grew up on Hip Hop from its infant stages and watched it grow into the precious obese thing we have today, I was truly saddened for the culture as a whole. I wasn't shocked with Pac's passing and I damn sure was expecting Biggie to catch it soon after Pac was killt (Yes, I know better). Why? because you can't play with fire and not get burned.

It was personal to an extent because this was my generation's music. A lot of my varied musical influences came from having older than usual parents and a slew of older siblings, who allowed me to explore different genre's from different generations. But this was different. These were my people, around my age. I think what pissed me off more than anything was the fact that it seemed sooooo SENSELESS to me. For me, it was Hip Hop's greatest blemish. This far exceeded the early days of people being shot at the live shows or being trampled to death because of overcrowding at a venue. The whole East Coast, West Coast fiasco was instigated by the media (black media outlets included) but everyone bought into it like fools. I remember thinking, "What the hell are we doing?" I remember the feuds between friends over this crap, over people who wouldn't know them from Adam. So yes, I was more pissed at how this thing grew into a monster that couldn't be put back into its cave and two people actually lost their lives over it. Dumb.

Every culture, every generation have their "icons" that garners the emotions that's liken to the lost of a family member. This isn't just a black thing as suggested. However, that scene in Brooklyn was something special

I was surprised when black media outlets blew that East Coast/West Coast bullshit and maddened too. Then when they die they wanna go "let's unite". Fuck outta here. 15 years later and we're still fucked up.

Civil Rights Movement

Million Man March

"Unite" after death of 2Pac and Biggie

Barack Obama

Black people can keep talking but until they do something, I'm not listening.

[Edited 1/17/12 14:26pm]

bboy87 said:

Paris9748430 said:

I think it was Star and Bucwild. I also think they got fired after that, but I don't live in NYC, so I'm not sure.

radio jocks in NYC seem to be on the extra side. Charlamagne The God is just an asshole from the stuff I've heard from him

Charlamagne was funny when he was with Wendy Williams but he does go overboard. Just the New York way I guess

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

I recall black america being in shock with some thinking their deaths were inevitable.

I recall white america dismissing their deaths as just some more ghetto rap shit.

With that said, there was a white looking black woman who had the nerve to say about 2Pac

"you live by the sword you die by the sword". Her comment was not well received even though it was a bit true.

Empress said:

Timmy84 said:

He basically dismissed the account of their deaths as "assassinations".

Here is what was actually said:

Tupac Shakur was assassinated, Biggie Smalls assassinated, struck down by assassin's bullets … no, they wasn't. Martin Luther King was assassinated, Malcolm X was assassinated, John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Them two niggas got shot! Shit, I love Tupac, I love Biggie, but school will be open on their birthday.

You gotta love Chris.

[Edited 1/17/12 12:43pm]

Now that's the Chris Rock I know and love!

HotGritz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

I recall black america being in shock with some thinking their deaths were inevitable.

I recall white america dismissing their deaths as just some more ghetto rap shit.

With that said, there was a white looking black woman who had the nerve to say about 2Pac

"you live by the sword you die by the sword". Her comment was not well received even though it was a bit true.

More of your racist bullshit. Serious, it gets fucking old.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

I was surprised when black media outlets blew that East Coast/West Coast bullshit and maddened too. Then when they die they wanna go "let's unite". Fuck outta here. 15 years later and we're still fucked up.

Civil Rights Movement

Million Man March

"Unite" after death of 2Pac and Biggie

Barack Obama

Black people can keep talking but until they do something, I'm not listening.

[Edited 1/17/12 14:26pm]

I know right? It's like it goes in one ear and out the other... I haven't been listening for years.

I can tell you my own reaction.

Tupac, I was stunned and devoured whatever I could about it and him for a little while.

Biggie? Didn't really register on my radar, I was never much of a fan. I was always a Tupac girl.

Empress said:

Timmy84 said:

He basically dismissed the account of their deaths as "assassinations".

Here is what was actually said:

Tupac Shakur was assassinated, Biggie Smalls assassinated, struck down by assassin's bullets … no, they wasn't. Martin Luther King was assassinated, Malcolm X was assassinated, John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Them two niggas got shot! Shit, I love Tupac, I love Biggie, but school will be open on their birthday.

You gotta love Chris.

LOL!!!

As for me, Tupac's death made far more of an impression, and was a much greater loss. 20-ish years later I still feel the same. Biggie is okay, but doesn't carry the weight Tupac's music does.

I know this might sounds ridiculous, but I feel like his death rode the coattails of Tupac's death. Because they were associated and their deaths were so close together, their legends were also associated in terms of importance. But I know plenty of people think I'm wrong. But much as I like Tupac, death makes people even greater legends, and it really made Biggie even moreso IMO.

I actually associate Tupac more with Kurt Cobain. Two sides of the same coin. The two most influential artists of their genres, who were bigger than the scenes they were associated with. They were also both victims of pride, and unwillingness to rise above the trappings of the lifestyles that they considered to keep them real. And it killed them.

As for what Chris Rock said. He is right. Tupac could have been another Malcom (maybe not Martin ), he showed hints at going in that direction, but he was not there yet. I believe he was murdered, not assasinated.

[Edited 1/17/12 17:51pm]

That Puffy and Suge Knight is behind it?

I remember on Letterman on their Top 20 most dangerous jobs of the year being an East Coast rapper was #1.

But yeah, when they both died radio and MTV were all over and it and the news was reporting that no leads were found. People in my neighborhood were passing out fliers that their deaths were a big conspiracy, especially since a few rappers had died around that time (if I'm not mistaken). My mom told me that if you "If you live by the sword, you'll die by it."

I knew that given about 20 years or so the truth will start to come out though. If not already.

Black people in their conspiracies, maybe we could move forward if we' stop lying. To put those two in the same list as the Civil Rights Movement, the Million Man March, or with President Obama, is laughable at best. My reaction, two mo' Negroes killed because of some he said he said bullshit. The day Tupac and Biggie were murdered, hundreds of black people were killed under similar circum-stances. Anybody know their names? Does anyone really care? Pretty much no... that's why this mess continues.

TD3 said:

Black people in their conspiracies, maybe we could move forward if we' stop lying. To put those two in the same list as the Civil Rights Movement, the Million Man March, or with President Obama, is laughable at best. My reaction, two mo' Negroes killed because of some he said he said bullshit. The day Tupac and Biggie were murdered, hundreds of black people were killed under similar circum-stances. Anybody know their names? Does anyone really care? Pretty much no... that's why this mess continues.

TD3 said:

Black people in their conspiracies, maybe we could move forward if we' stop lying. To put those two in the same list as the Civil Rights Movement, the Million Man March, or with President Obama, is laughable at best. My reaction, two mo' Negroes killed because of some he said he said bullshit. The day Tupac and Biggie were murdered, hundreds of black people were killed under similar circum-stances. Anybody know their names? Does anyone really care? Pretty much no... that's why this mess continues.

Good Post

Cerebus said:

HotGritz said:

I recall black america being in shock with some thinking their deaths were inevitable.

I recall white america dismissing their deaths as just some more ghetto rap shit.

With that said, there was a white looking black woman who had the nerve to say about 2Pac

"you live by the sword you die by the sword". Her comment was not well received even though it was a bit true.

More of your racist bullshit. Serious, it gets fucking old.

I have long thought you had deep rooted psychological issues that prevent you from making sense on a consistent basis and now I'm convinced that.....

YOU'RE FUCKIN' NUTS!!!!!!

TD3 said:

Black people in their conspiracies, maybe we could move forward if we' stop lying. To put those two in the same list as the Civil Rights Movement, the Million Man March, or with President Obama, is laughable at best. My reaction, two mo' Negroes killed because of some he said he said bullshit. The day Tupac and Biggie were murdered, hundreds of black people were killed under similar circum-stances. Anybody know their names? Does anyone really care? Pretty much no... that's why this mess continues.

Um, what?

Do you know what I was saying in that post or did you just read and respond?

[Edited 1/18/12 13:30pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

TD3 said:

Black people in their conspiracies, maybe we could move forward if we' stop lying. To put those two in the same list as the Civil Rights Movement, the Million Man March, or with President Obama, is laughable at best. My reaction, two mo' Negroes killed because of some he said he said bullshit. The day Tupac and Biggie were murdered, hundreds of black people were killed under similar circum-stances. Anybody know their names? Does anyone really care? Pretty much no... that's why this mess continues.

Um, what?

Do you know what I was saying in that post or did you just read and respond?

[Edited 1/18/12 13:30pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

TD3 said:

Black people in their conspiracies, maybe we could move forward if we' stop lying. To put those two in the same list as the Civil Rights Movement, the Million Man March, or with President Obama, is laughable at best. My reaction, two mo' Negroes killed because of some he said he said bullshit. The day Tupac and Biggie were murdered, hundreds of black people were killed under similar circum-stances. Anybody know their names? Does anyone really care? Pretty much no... that's why this mess continues.

Um, what?

Do you know what I was saying in that post or did you just read and respond?

[Edited 1/18/12 13:30pm]

I read what you wrote S.C. and I understood what You meant and its context. If I had disagreed with what you said, I would've posted your full quote in my post and responded accordingly. Yet, I didn't, I'll allow you to figure it out.

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[Edited 1/18/12 13:58pm]

TD3 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um, what?

Do you know what I was saying in that post or did you just read and respond?

[Edited 1/18/12 13:30pm]

I read what you wrote S.C. and I understood what You meant and its context. If I had disagreed with what you said, I would've posted your full quote in my post and responded accordingly. Yet, I didn't, I'll allow you to figure it out.

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[Edited 1/18/12 13:58pm]

...right, okay.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TD3 said:

I read what you wrote S.C. and I understood what You meant and its context. If I had disagreed with what you said, I would've posted your full quote in my post and responded accordingly. Yet, I didn't, I'll allow you to figure it out.

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[Edited 1/18/12 13:58pm]

...right, okay.

yeah, it is OK. Maybe you should've taken your own advice before popping off.