mjscarousal said:

I love both Tupac and Biggie. I use to be into Biggie but now I find I am more of a 2pac fan but I still adore them both nonetheless.

I was around 4 or 5 when they both died... so obviously to young to remember....

I do believe that their is a bigger conspiracy around who exactly killed them...

Also, everyone claiming Biggies music was better than Pac needs to sit down LOL... Now I LOVE Biggie but here me out....

Pac had alot more political and complex lyrics than Biggie ever did not to mention most of all his lyrics were written by HIM himself... not knocking Biggie but just saying... I find Pacs music overall alot more challenging and complicated as well as creatively constructed... Nothing Biggie has ever done tops The 7 Theory Don Killuminati which was exactly written in 7 days...

Im lovin your threads lately smooth!! Nice

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You have some great posts.

And thanks!

For me, I dunno regarding Biggie and Tupac. They're actually really different in terms of style imo, but I find that I prefer Biggie ever so slightly.

I was rooting for both of them but probably a bigger fan of Pac (though I purchased BIG's last album). Over the years, I've grown to respect Pac a lot more than BIG.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

When you're my age, that one year makes a whole lot of difference.

Yeah I should know. I did notice a change after I turned 14 (voice got deeper, no more cracks, mustache grew more ).

You're lucky you even had hair. I'm like a naked mole rat. Appparently it runs in the family or something.

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

I was rooting for both of them but probably a bigger fan of Pac (though I purchased BIG's last album). Over the years, I've grown to respect Pac a lot more than BIG.

Pac was definitely deeper. I feel Biggie didn't get a chance to show his talent though, only two albums in.

Off topic: Has anyone notcied that a lot of rappers who talk about their death eventually die?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I should know. I did notice a change after I turned 14 (voice got deeper, no more cracks, mustache grew more ).

You're lucky you even had hair. I'm like a naked mole rat. Appparently it runs in the family or something.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

I was rooting for both of them but probably a bigger fan of Pac (though I purchased BIG's last album). Over the years, I've grown to respect Pac a lot more than BIG.

Pac was definitely deeper. I feel Biggie didn't get a chance to show his talent though, only two albums in.

Off topic: Has anyone notcied that a lot of rappers who talk about their death eventually die?

Scarface is still living.

But yeah BIG never got a chance to prove how deep he was, there was hints on Life After Death, albeit a few.

Timmy84 said:

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

I was rooting for both of them but probably a bigger fan of Pac (though I purchased BIG's last album). Over the years, I've grown to respect Pac a lot more than BIG.

Tupac was a poet Big on the other hand was a hustler who took his experience from the streets and rapped about em. He was talented, but if you weren't from the streets it was hard to relate to Biggie. Tupac rapped about the reality of being young, black and less fortunate. Something masses related to.

Pretty much. I wasn't a drug dealer or a hustler so I couldn't relate to BIG but his rhymes were dope though.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Pac was definitely deeper. I feel Biggie didn't get a chance to show his talent though, only two albums in.

Off topic: Has anyone notcied that a lot of rappers who talk about their death eventually die?

Scarface is still living.

But yeah BIG never got a chance to prove how deep he was, there was hints on Life After Death, albeit a few.

It's a shame. He had great potential.

nursev said:

mjscarousal said:

I love both Tupac and Biggie. I use to be into Biggie but now I find I am more of a 2pac fan but I still adore them both nonetheless.

I was around 4 or 5 when they both died... so obviously to young to remember....

I do believe that their is a bigger conspiracy around who exactly killed them...

Also, everyone claiming Biggies music was better than Pac needs to sit down LOL... Now I LOVE Biggie but here me out....

Pac had alot more political and complex lyrics than Biggie ever did not to mention most of all his lyrics were written by HIM himself... not knocking Biggie but just saying... I find Pacs music overall alot more challenging and complicated as well as creatively constructed... Nothing Biggie has ever done tops The 7 Theory Don Killuminati which was exactly written in 7 days...

Im lovin your threads lately smooth!! Nice

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All true-Tupac was the most talented out of both men. I would tell someone new to Pac's music to listen to one song Unconditional Love/kinda gives u a look at the genius that was Tupac. He had a gift to make you feel the meaning from his lyrics.

Yes... I have been listening to ALOT of his music lately... His passion and delivery... you had no other option but to feel what he was saying.... If he was sad... you was sad.. if he was mad... you was mad LOL

We always talk about singers that were able to convey emotion through their music but as a rapper I would say that 2pac makes Top 5 easy as one of the greatest rappers to convey emotion and connect with audiences through music. Rare gift..

Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

It was an unfortunate thing to hear, but not exactly unexpected. I was sad for about 60 seconds and moved on.

As an aside, can someone please explain all the accolades given Tupac since his death? He was popular, but folk act like he was hip hop's Khalil Gibran. I've just never understood it. Break it down for me please. I promise I'll just listen and won't put up a fight.

nursev said:

Timmy84 said:

I was rooting for both of them but probably a bigger fan of Pac (though I purchased BIG's last album). Over the years, I've grown to respect Pac a lot more than BIG.

Tupac was a poet Big on the other hand was a hustler who took his experience from the streets and rapped about em. He was talented, but if you weren't from the streets it was hard to relate to Biggie. Tupac rapped about the reality of being young, black and less fortunate. Something masses related to.

I think masses related more to Biggie because he was more commercial and had more commercial success (someone please correct me if I am wrong)

Some of Tupac most influential material NEVER were singles and NEVER have been commercially acclaimed...

I think masses related to Biggie more because he had a tight flow a great delivery with catchy rhymes that talked mostly about what that whole Badboys was promoting (money, women, street, etc) and they were real hot at the time... Tupac on the other hand...aint nobody cared about politics or what the illumunati was.. He was trying to say something beyond being young and black....He was trying to make you think... which made it harder to understand... Personally, I always thought Biggie got more praise than Pac commercially but thats just me...

Lammastide said:

I'll never forget when pac died. my homie texted me. I didnt believe him. i pulled out my Ipad and got a twitter. saw it everywhere. Tupac dead. couldnt believe. I had to log out of facebook for a week, too many messages on my wall, they knew that was my boy!

nursev said:

Lammastide said:

It was an unfortunate thing to hear, but not exactly unexpected. I was sad for about 60 seconds and moved on.

As an aside, can someone please explain all the accolades given Tupac since his death? He was popular, but folk act like he was hip hop's Khalil Gibran. I've just never understood it. Break it down for me please. I promise I'll just listen and won't put up a fight.

I don't know about accolades, but I got tired of muthafuckas putting out cd's after his death with some bull that obviously wasn't Tupac

I'm glad that shit's stopped!

Nvncible1 said:

i pulled out my Ipad and got a twitter. saw it everywhere. Tupac dead. couldnt believe. I had to log out of facebook for a week, too many messages on my wall, they knew that was my boy!

What?

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Nvncible1 said:

i pulled out my Ipad and got a twitter. saw it everywhere. Tupac dead. couldnt believe. I had to log out of facebook for a week, too many messages on my wall, they knew that was my boy!

What?

He's just fuckin' around.

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Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

What?

He's just fuckin' around.

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I was gon' say.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

My personal reaction to both deaths was sadness - I cried for both. Biggie's death hit me a little harder only because I thought everyone had moved beyond the whole "east coast/west coast" bs (I thught it was real at the time) . I guess there was some anger for me that went along with Big's death.

As far as media coverage I'm on the East Coast. So while Tupac got a lot of coverage I believe Biggie got more. It's only natural since he's from Brooklyn.

And say what you will about Puffy, but he did what he had to do to keep Biggie's memory and music alive. All the tribute songs and performances (having a Sting song and performance was cool imo)

But hindsight being 20/20.....I don't think there was ever really an east coast/west coast beef. Someone benefited from all the hype though. If we can find the beneficiary we'll know from whence it came.

-

nursev said:

mjscarousal said:

I think masses related more to Biggie because he was more commercial and had more commercial success (someone please correct me if I am wrong)

Some of Tupac most influential material NEVER were singles and NEVER have been commercially acclaimed...

I think masses related to Biggie more because he had a tight flow a great delivery with catchy rhymes that talked mostly about what that whole Badboys was promoting (money, women, street, etc) and they were real hot at the time... Tupac on the other hand...aint nobody cared about politics or what the illumunati was.. He was trying to say something beyond being young and black....He was trying to make you think... which made it harder to understand... Personally, I always thought Biggie got more praise than Pac commercially but thats just me...

May be, may be, but like Timmy I was never in the streets so Bad Boy was not really something I was into until later. Now I could relate to being young, black and broke and wanting a better existence. Which is why I kinda went to the Tupac side of things.

Yea I tend to relate to 2pac more as well..

R.I.P. 2pac and Biggie

Shaolin325 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

My personal reaction to both deaths was sadness - I cried for both. Biggie's death hit me a little harder only because I thought everyone had moved beyond the whole "east coast/west coast" bs (I thught it was real at the time) . I guess there was some anger for me that went along with Big's death.

As far as media coverage I'm on the East Coast. So while Tupac got a lot of coverage I believe Biggie got more. It's only natural since he's from Brooklyn.

And say what you will about Puffy, but he did what he had to do to keep Biggie's memory and music alive. All the tribute songs and performances (having a Sting song and performance was cool imo)

But hindsight being 20/20.....I don't think there was ever really an east coast/west coast beef. Someone benefited from all the hype though. If we can find the beneficiary we'll know from whence it came.

-

Yeah Puffy and Suge lol

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

I didn't, like, cry about Tupac, but it was definitely really sad here in the Bay Area amongst the people I know. I saw him as a dancer with DU in Oakland WAAAAY back in the day (didn't know it was him, of course). Myself and nearly all of my friends, white and black, followed his career from day one. It was definitely a downer when he died, but I can remember MANY conversations about how he should probably have died a long time before then.

Biggie... nothin'. I wasn't a fan. Paid no attention to anything he did. I'm sure I thought it was a waste, which is what I think anytime any of these guys get shot.

People were more upset about 2Pac that's for sure. Personally though I can see why, he was the best rapper lyrically.