aardvark15 said:

People were more upset about 2Pac that's for sure. Personally though I can see why, he was the best rapper lyrically.

I disagree. Plus, 2pac was a lot more famous. That may have had more to do with it. People wrongly accused Big of having something to do with Pac's murder.

There's a lot of opinion and conjecture goin' on in this thread. Everybody had their favorites and everybody has opinions about what may or may not have happened. Seems like it would be best to try and keep it on topic if we don't want it devolving into the 1375th argument about who was the best, or did the best, or whatever.

Just my two cents, of course - I just think the OP topic is more interesting than arguing about a couple of dead guys... again.

Cerebus said:

There's a lot of opinion and conjecture goin' on in this thread. Everybody had their favorites and everybody has opinions about what may or may not have happened. Seems like it would be best to try and keep it on topic if we don't want it devolving into the 1375th argument about who was the best, or did the best, or whatever.

Just my two cents, of course - I just think the OP topic is more interesting than arguing about a couple of dead guys... again.

Wow... that was rather disrespectful just because they didnt mean much to you doesnt mean people shouldnt talk about it...Obviously they did mean something to people which is why people are talking about it. No one hasnt criticised any of them here... just discussion.

Paris9748430 said:

aardvark15 said:

People were more upset about 2Pac that's for sure. Personally though I can see why, he was the best rapper lyrically.

I disagree. Plus, 2pac was a lot more famous. That may have had more to do with it. People wrongly accused Big of having something to do with Pac's murder.

I think you mean "People wrongly accuse Big of having something to do with Pac's murder." I still thinks find it stupid though

mjscarousal said:

Cerebus said:

There's a lot of opinion and conjecture goin' on in this thread. Everybody had their favorites and everybody has opinions about what may or may not have happened. Seems like it would be best to try and keep it on topic if we don't want it devolving into the 1375th argument about who was the best, or did the best, or whatever.

Just my two cents, of course - I just think the OP topic is more interesting than arguing about a couple of dead guys... again.

Wow... that was rather disrespectful just because they didnt mean much to you doesnt mean people shouldnt talk about it...Obviously they did mean something to people which is why people are talking about it. No one hasnt criticised any of them here... just discussion.

What are you talking about? I just expressed how much Tupac meant to me in my post before the one you quoted. I owned everything he had released BEFORE he died, just in case its not clear. I've told stories about how we had a big ass poster of Pac with his shirt off in the front hallway at one of the places I lived - everyone would touch it on the way out the door like a buddha.

And talk about what? I think the OP had a very direct question in mind, and I thought it was a good one. Letting this thread devolve into another argument about who was a better rapper or who killed who is pointless. Its been done 1000 times before. But I can't remember the last time somebody asked about the reaction of White and Black America in regards to both of their deaths.

Regardless, there was no disrespect meant in the post you quoted. I'm sorry you interpreted it that way.

Cerebus said:

mjscarousal said:

Wow... that was rather disrespectful just because they didnt mean much to you doesnt mean people shouldnt talk about it...Obviously they did mean something to people which is why people are talking about it. No one hasnt criticised any of them here... just discussion.

What are you talking about? I just expressed how much Tupac meant to me in my post before the one you quoted. I owned everything he had released BEFORE he died, just in case its not clear. I've told stories about how we had a big ass poster of Pac with his shirt off in the front hallway at one of the places I lived - everyone would touch it on the way out the door like a buddha.

And talk about what? I think the OP had a very direct question in mind, and I thought it was a good one. Letting this thread devolve into another argument about who was a better rapper or who killed who is pointless. Its been done 1000 times before. But I can't remember the last time somebody asked about the reaction of White and Black America in regards to both of their deaths.

Regardless, there was no disrespect meant in the post you quoted. I'm sorry you interpreted it that way.

I don't know if I answered it right but I think in the case of 2Pac, it was almost like that Kennedy/9-11 moment that you remember where you were when you heard it. I saw his death being posted on MTV and remember being in a state of shock for a few days. With BIG, I got his death while Daria aired one Sunday morning. Around here, BIG's death wasn't treated like Pac's though it did make some huge headlines.

nursev said:

I'll never forget that feeling. Tupac was, and continues to be, my favorite rapper of all time. I completely dig his poetry as well as his music. He had a powerful message delivered powerfully, always leaving me wowed. I was sad by Big's death too. Seeing him in the Hypnotize video with him happy and dancing made me sadder because he was a human who deserved to live like the next person. Two senseless deaths. I often wonder what Tupac would be doing had his life not ended. He was a gift, from acting, poetry to rap. He was very influential and could have made a positive impact on society if steered correctly. I still play a lot of his music from Dear Mama to I get around with the Digital Underground.

InspirationalOne said:

Great post-yeah just seeing tupac walking through those clouds just made you feel weird/sad. I agree that if he had some direction he would have definitely been something great. Really to bad we never got to see that.

Cerebus said:

mjscarousal said:

Wow... that was rather disrespectful just because they didnt mean much to you doesnt mean people shouldnt talk about it...Obviously they did mean something to people which is why people are talking about it. No one hasnt criticised any of them here... just discussion.

What are you talking about? I just expressed how much Tupac meant to me in my post before the one you quoted. I owned everything he had released BEFORE he died, just in case its not clear. I've told stories about how we had a big ass poster of Pac with his shirt off in the front hallway at one of the places I lived - everyone would touch it on the way out the door like a buddha.

And talk about what? I think the OP had a very direct question in mind, and I thought it was a good one. Letting this thread devolve into another argument about who was a better rapper or who killed who is pointless. Its been done 1000 times before. But I can't remember the last time somebody asked about the reaction of White and Black America in regards to both of their deaths.

Regardless, there was no disrespect meant in the post you quoted. I'm sorry you interpreted it that way.

My mistake misinterpretation

mjscarousal said:

That's the sad part about their deaths is that they use to be friends.

Another sidebar, I think Eminem did a great job of mixing Runnin with pac n biggie/the way he put that together was genius.

I will always blame Suge for both of em, and it aint surprising since literally every week someone at Deathrow was getting shot up and Pac was planning to abandon the label + the label has stolen MILLIONS of $ from Pac. For those who dont know, Suge's favorite method of getting what he wants has always been a gun to the head =/. There was this one documentary that did a whole bunch of interviews with everyone involved and actually got a whole bunch of evidence supporting the theory that Suge was responsible for both deaths, but I'm too lazy to try and remember enough to sensibily explain it.

Anways, both rappers were great. Tupac was the poet, with socially concious lyrics while BIG was by far the better rapper with out of this world flow and fantastic rhyming; neither one is the greatest rapper of all time but both are up there.

Instead of awesome BIG albums we're stuck with Jay-Z talking out of his ass every year or two, waiting to see if he will actually try to make something that isnt complete BS =(

For anyone that wants to know why Tupac is considered like the Ghandi of rap with many take a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...YlBy_bn41Y

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

He aint the best rapper ever, but this shit really speaks to people.

nursev said:

mjscarousal said:

That's the sad part about their deaths is that they use to be friends.

Yea I know

I had more of a reaction to Tupac's death than I did Biggie's. I was a pretty big fan of Tupac when he was with Digital Underground, and saw him perform live when he was with the group, when they were on tour with Queen Latifah and Naughty By Nature. He seemed to be a cool guy, had lot's of charisma, and was talented as far as rappers go. But in the years leading up to his death, I had lost most of the respect that I had for him. I felt that he had become very foolish, disrespectful, and reckless. During this time, it seemed like every time he appeared on TV he was always shooting his mouth off, practically daring people to kill him. I lost count of the times I thought to myself: "You better STFU!". Next thing I know... BLAM BLAM BLAM! Tupac's dead. My reaction? That's what he gets! Cold, but my honest feeling regarding his death. I feel like he threw his life away, almost like he wanted to die. So, if HE didn't care about his life, neither did I.

I don't miss him, and I don't honor him. Nevertheless, I sincerely hope he's resting peacefully, and have nothing but respect for those who mourn him.

But regarding the murders of Biggie AND Tupac; it pisses me off that the killers have never been identified and/or brought to justice. If those had been cops that had been killed under the same circumstances, the murderers would have long since been captured, if not killed.

NO JUSTICE.

Paris9748430 said:

aardvark15 said:

People were more upset about 2Pac that's for sure. Personally though I can see why, he was the best rapper lyrically.

I disagree. Plus, 2pac was a lot more famous. That may have had more to do with it. People wrongly accused Big of having something to do with Pac's murder.

I'm not one who would argue or debate about who the better rapper was, I wouldn't even know how you'd measure that. But I will say this: The first time I heard Biggie rapping on the radio ("Who the Hell is this? Pagin' me at 5:46 in the mornin', crack of dawn an'..."), I asked the kids that were in the van with me who it was because I was THAT impressed by what I was hearing. They were like... "Yo, that's Biggie Smalls!", lol. I never forgot his name after that. I think he was the first rapper that ever caught my attention enough to make me want to inquire about who he was. There was definitely something about the way he was rapping, or maybe it was the sound of his voice, that I thought was special and/or unique.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

sc12's 13 14 last I checked.

Fixed.

I'm often surprised to learn that there are members here as young as yourself.

Pac's was distressing because we really did think he would somehow pull through.

Biggie's was his own fault because he had no business being in Cali.....

Neither's was truly surprising.

BklynBabe said:

Pac's was distressing because we really did think he would somehow pull through. Biggie's was his own fault because he had no business being in Cali..... Neither's was truly surprising.

That's really it though. My dad thinks Pac's words got him shot and while I can see how it would, I'm like you, I wished he would've pull through. Judging from his interviews in the last year of his life, he did seemed determined to make it despite knowing he might die before he got a chance to achieve them. BIG should've waited until 1998 or '99 to come to L.A.

I wasn't surprised. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I find the reactions to their two deaths this very day to be overrated. Much more talented folks' deaths since then such as Roger Troutman, Luther Vandross, Rick James, Teena Marie, June Pointer, Gerald Levert, etc. didn't get near the attention.

PDogz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Fixed.

I'm often surprised to learn that there are members here as young as yourself.

After being on a Mary J. Blige site for ten years, this site for almost five years, YouTube for almost five years and TUMBLR for almost two, the surprise wears off.

vainandy said:

I wasn't surprised. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I find the reactions to their two deaths this very day to be overrated. Much more talented folks' deaths since then such as Roger Troutman, Luther Vandross, Rick James, Teena Marie, June Pointer, Gerald Levert, etc. didn't get near the attention.

It's simple why those artists didn't get "the attention": they weren't "popular" at the time of their deaths with the exception of Luther. Plus I don't think it's overrated, they spoke to a group of people who were into that music. I wouldn't diss it as overrated. Maybe by your books from the music you prefer.

And the saying should be "live by the gun, die by the gun". They had that saying in front of Tupac's image in graffiti around the time he died.

PDogz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Fixed.

I'm often surprised to learn that there are members here as young as yourself.

Why wait? This is a great music site.

smoothcriminal12 said:

PDogz said:

I'm often surprised to learn that there are members here as young as yourself.

Why wait? This is a great music site.

You're like me at 14. Not necessarily about sites because I didn't have the internet until 2002.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Why wait? This is a great music site.

You're like me at 14. Not necessarily about sites because I didn't have the internet until 2002.

Is that a good thing?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

You're like me at 14. Not necessarily about sites because I didn't have the internet until 2002.

Is that a good thing?

Of course.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Is that a good thing?

Of course.

Well then that's good!

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

Those two had fans all over the world, not just America.

TheDigitalGardener said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

Those two had fans all over the world, not just America.

Especially 2Pac. I saw his Resurrection special and was actually surprised with how many people worldwide was diggin' Pac. It was mind-blowing to say the least.

TheDigitalGardener said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone?

From both sides of the spectrum, white and black America.

Those two had fans all over the world, not just America.

I'm aware, but that wasn't really what I was thinking of. Go ahead and say your experience if you live in a country outside of America though.