dm3857 said:

alphastreet said:

I personally think will.i.am/BEP are garbage.

as well do i! i feel like will was in a way "taking control" or atleast trying to. and they were going for a more mainstream sound.. and i honestly dont think michael was feeling those tracks.. and im not sure he would want those specific tracks released, of coarse im all for new michael music, and yes i would enjoy hearing those tracks because it is michael.. but to say "Probably the best of whats in the vault" is the just NOT TRUE... think of all the off the wall,thriller,bad,dangerous,history,invincible outtakes.. then think about songs michael had been recording for the past 10 years (post invincible) i believe there is SO MUCH genius and beautiful music in the vault.. i just wish the bone heads at sony would release REAL (NOT jason malachi!!) tracks and DONT mess with the unfinished demos, JUST RELEASE THEM..some may argue that the songs werent "perfected" but im okay with that, i rather have them the way michael had them and not have these bone head producers try and edit them.. LEAVE THE MUSIC ALONE AND RELEASE IT!

Here are some of Michaels Demos.. and as you will hear.. THEY ARE FANTASTIC.. and i would LOVE for them to just release the music the way michael made it.. and not try to edit it at ALL!

NOTE:im sorry that i probabaly repeated my self a few times, but when ever the topic the music in the vault, and the this is it footage i cant help but to share ALL my thoughts, lol, i just feel very strongly about these subjects.

but moral to this long post is that they need to release the music the way michael made it, whether it was "finished" or not, as you can tell by listening to michaels unfinished demos that they are absolutly WONDERFUL!

Will listen to these demos in a bit, but thanks for posting. I wish the lenny and mj collab was untouched, I like the leaked version better. Though I like Another Day and always wished for an MJ and Lenny collab, MJ's signature is missing cause of being incomplete, and Lenny's funk isn't what it usually is either. Maybe it should have been MJ, Lenny and Slash together.

bboy87 said:

motownlover said:

Is the general public intrested in fake songs an remixes ? cirque de soleil ? i dont think so, they dont really care thats what i believe. I cant imagine buying another tainted album , i just want bad tour or otherwhise i buy motown albums

Yes the general public is interested in the Cirque show. They marketed "Michael" to casual listeners. That's why the Akon song and 50 Cent were included...unfortunately nobody told them that 50 was irrelevent by 2010

I must say i havent seen anything on tv about cirque show , nobody ever came up to me and said wow that new' mike song is thee bomb or bad or anything to confirm its excistance.

I dont even hear it on the radio or tv. I heard hold my hand once !

motownlover said:

bboy87 said:

Yes the general public is interested in the Cirque show. They marketed "Michael" to casual listeners. That's why the Akon song and 50 Cent were included...unfortunately nobody told them that 50 was irrelevent by 2010

I must say i havent seen anything on tv about cirque show , nobody ever came up to me and said wow that new' mike song is thee bomb or bad or anything to confirm its excistance.

I dont even hear it on the radio or tv. I heard hold my hand once !

They barely promoted the Michael album.

The Cirque show has been getting a lot of coverage. They performers were on Dancing With The Stars tonight and 20/20 did a story on the show a couple of weeks ago

bboy87 said:

motownlover said:

I must say i havent seen anything on tv about cirque show , nobody ever came up to me and said wow that new' mike song is thee bomb or bad or anything to confirm its excistance.

I dont even hear it on the radio or tv. I heard hold my hand once !

They barely promoted the Michael album.

The Cirque show has been getting a lot of coverage. They performers were on Dancing With The Stars tonight and 20/20 did a story on the show a couple of weeks ago

Just saw them do an MJ tribute on Dancing with the Stars

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

They barely promoted the Michael album.

The Cirque show has been getting a lot of coverage. They performers were on Dancing With The Stars tonight and 20/20 did a story on the show a couple of weeks ago

Just saw them do an MJ tribute on Dancing with the Stars

I was just about email you on FB. My Retron is broken and I JUST bought a game for it too

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Just saw them do an MJ tribute on Dancing with the Stars

I was just about email you on FB. My Retron is broken and I JUST bought a game for it too

smh .. how did u break it?

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

I was just about email you on FB. My Retron is broken and I JUST bought a game for it too

smh .. how did u break it?

Nope just hadn't played it in 2 months. It's $45 on Ebay but I can buy all 3 systems for at least $70. A bit more expensive but they'd be the actual systems....

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

They barely promoted the Michael album.

The Cirque show has been getting a lot of coverage. They performers were on Dancing With The Stars tonight and 20/20 did a story on the show a couple of weeks ago

Just saw them do an MJ tribute on Dancing with the Stars

Here in the netherlands i havent heard or seen anything. But i dont wath too much tv . But i dont see commercials on it either

From the Estate of Michael Jackson:

All of the Herb Ritts outtakes need to be released in HQ ASAP!!!!!!!

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suga10 said:

I can't believe Kurt Loder saiid this

KURT LODER:
MJ Was a Child Molester

Kurt Loder -- the longtime face of "MTV News" -- says he believes Michael Jacksonwas a child molester.

Loder appeared on the "Jeff and Jeremy in the Morning" radio show this morning ... when he was asked if he thought MJ's death was a tragedy.

Loder replied, "Its a shame how he grew up ... his childhood was a shame ... there is many sad aspects to his life, ... on the other hand, I think he was a child molester, and that sort of tempers any feelings you might have about him."

When asked why he believed MJ molested kids, Loder claimed he knew about secret payouts to the parents of little boys ... and pointed to MJ's bizarre behavior.

"Having sleepovers with little boys, and you're a 40 year old man??? Uh, NO. You're like a child molester."

Loder continues, "Maybe being a child molester is the product of a pretty terrible childhood he had ... you can see why that might have happened. On the other hand, molesting children is bad."

An ignorant stupid Man , and above all of that , A Nobody !

Kurt Loder can suck my fucking dick. Anyways, found a rare candid photo of MJ before the fame:

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I think the family wants to have access on what would be put in it. I want the good , the bad , the ugly EVERYTHING If it's well Done I would see it.

I could only hope they could release it to show how Michael was, warts and all

The hard-core fans will not accept a documentary or book with warts and all.

whatsgoingon said:

Timmy84 said:

I could only hope they could release it to show how Michael was, warts and all

The hard-core fans will not accept a documentary or book with warts and all.

FUCK THAT!

whatsgoingon said:

The hard-core fans will not accept a documentary or book with warts and all.

Of course not. No hardcore fanbase would. Especially when that is all you mainly get and especially when those exposing the warts all have their own dirt that's not being exposed.

Kunt Loder has always had a bug in his ass about Mike.

What he really needs in his ass is a fist wearing a spiked glove.

Michael Jackson Estate: What's Next?

Post-Conrad Murray trial projects include Fan Fest in Las Vegas, Badreissue and Cirque du Soleil's 'Immortal' soundtrack.

Michael Jackson has remained just as big a star in death as he was in life — if not bigger. Like Elvis, Bob Marley, Frank Sinatra and Tupac Shakur before him, interest in all things Jackson spiked following the singer's deathand continues to be strong two years after his shocking passing on June 25, 2009.

Jackson's name has been in the news on a daily basis over the past month thanks to the involuntary manslaughter trial of his former physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, who was found guilty, the jury announced Monday. It's not the kind of publicity the Jackson estate is looking for, but with the trial now over, the focus will likely turn to the next projects from the singer's vaults.

To date, the estate has been busy lining up one project after another, beginning with 2009's This Is It, the documentary on Jackson's planned comeback tour that grossed close to $200 million worldwide on its way to becoming the #2 music documentary of all time.

That was followed by the release of Michael, a posthumous album with unreleased Jackson tracks that sold more than 500,000 copies, alongside more than 1 million units of the This Is It soundtrack. There were also 3 million units shifted of the Ubisoft video game "Michael Jackson: The Experience," which helped rack up the more than $1 billion the estate has brought in since Jackson's death through a combination of music sales, film/TV revenue, music publishing, licensing and a $31 million recording contract with Sony.

Cirque du Soleil's traveling MJ extravaganza, "Immortal," made its American debut this month, boasting a soundtrack that features a number of mash-ups and reimaginings of the singer's music, plus some previously unheard bits. The show's soundtrack is slated to hit stores November 21.

When the show hits Las Vegas in December, it will coincide with the annual Michael Jackson Fan Fest (December 3-14), the ritual gathering of the flock that this year will include a raft of never-before-seen memorabilia from the King of Pop. Among the items at the first-ever estate-authorized fest at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino are the actual gates of Neverland Ranch, Jackson's personal book collection, the 1999 Rolls Royce Seraph limousine with 24-karat gold embellishments designed by the singer, the 10-foot-tall HIStory statue, the spaceship set from the "Scream" video, the throne from the Egyptian-themed "Remember the Time" clip and the tank from the "Earth Song" live performance.

Also reportedly due soon is a repackaging of Jackson's 1987 Bad album, which, like previous reissues, is expected to feature previously unearthed bonus material. The original album featured landmark songs such as the title track, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," "The Way You Make Me Feel," "Man in the Mirror," "Smooth Criminal" and "Dirty Diana."

Given the amount of unreleased material that was reportedly left in the vaults at Jackson's death, there is a strong possibility that another album of unheard tunes could be in the offing soon as well.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...rray.jhtml

Cloudbuster said:

Kunt Loder has always had a bug in his ass about Mike.

What he really needs in his ass is a fist wearing a spiked glove.

mookie said:

whatsgoingon said:

The hard-core fans will not accept a documentary or book with warts and all.

Of course not. No hardcore fanbase would. Especially when that is all you mainly get and especially when those exposing the warts all have their own dirt that's not being exposed.

exactly. it's one thing to write a tome about elvis like the one albert goldman did and an entirely different thing to write about one like peter guralnick(sp?) did. guralnick didn't shy away from elvis' low points, but he didn't wallow in them as if the low points were totally representative of his life. most of the books on mj with all the 'warts' have been half-truths or outright lies, and wallow in degredation. that's what goldman did.

look at tito and rebbie out hawking this "documentary" about mj. it's all mj was an addict this, mj was an addict that. do they ever talk about the pain behind what started the prescriptions? no, because the story behind that involves mj trying to please everyone by going on the victory tour to enrich the FAMILY, and the commercial which led to those injuries, which is the reason the prescription drugs came into his life in the first place. in addition, they downplay the role their parents had in mj's psychological make-up. joe not an abuser? give me a break. that relationship played a role in his surgeries.

what about the pain in his feet from dancing, which two sony execs talked about after his death, and with more compassion for him than i have ever seen anyone in his family exhibit, i might add. what about when he broke one of his vertebrae? don't they think that these issues could have played a role in his dependency on painkillers? i would think so, but you would never understand that by listening to these two. finally, what about the horrific allegations and being hunted like an animal for the last 20 years of his life? wouldn't that play a role in any possible addiction to escape the madness? again, i would think so, but you're not going to hear that from the "family".

people want to hear the truth in context. when the so-called warts have their own warts, we have a right to know that. rebbie can call mj an addict all she wants, but what is the wart behind their relationship? because i think there is one.

i would like to see a guralnick type book written about mj, but that's a long way off. i don't think the guralnick books came out for at least 15 yrs. after elvis' death. we're still in the goldman phase.

kibbles said:

i would like to see a guralnick type book written about mj, but that's a long way off. i don't think the guralnick books came out for at least 15 yrs. after elvis' death. we're still in the goldman phase.

I wish there was one out. I wonder if Vogel's is close to it least in the musical sense.

Timmy84 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Kunt Loder has always had a bug in his ass about Mike.

What he really needs in his ass is a fist wearing a spiked glove.

i always question when people say, 'well, i've seen documents'.

oh, really? who the hell is kurt fucking loder for anyone to have shown him anything, number one. number two, what has he seen that the fbi and santa barbara police dept. didn't see? under the evidence code, if there were some docs that specifically state 'i, mj, am paying you x dollars not to sue me for molesting your child', then those docs would have been brought into evidence at his trial. loder is a liar.

but hey, at least we know kurt loder is not dead. this is the most publicity his shiveled up ass has seen in along time!

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

i always question when people say, 'well, i've seen documents'.

oh, really? who the hell is kurt fucking loder for anyone to have shown him anything, number one. number two, what has he seen that the fbi and santa barbara police dept. didn't see? under the evidence code, if there were some docs that specifically state 'i, mj, am paying you x dollars not to sue me for molesting your child', then those docs would have been brought into evidence at his trial. loder is a liar.

but hey, at least we know kurt loder is not dead. this is the most publicity his shiveled up ass has seen in along time!

You notice whenever someone says that, they're just trying to look intelligent but ended up looking dumber than what they're presumed to be. You can do that in public lol

mookie said:

Michael Jackson Estate: What's Next?

Post-Conrad Murray trial projects include Fan Fest in Las Vegas, Badreissue and Cirque du Soleil's 'Immortal' soundtrack.

Michael Jackson has remained just as big a star in death as he was in life — if not bigger. Like Elvis, Bob Marley, Frank Sinatra and Tupac Shakur before him, interest in all things Jackson spiked following the singer's deathand continues to be strong two years after his shocking passing on June 25, 2009.

Jackson's name has been in the news on a daily basis over the past month thanks to the involuntary manslaughter trial of his former physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, who was found guilty, the jury announced Monday. It's not the kind of publicity the Jackson estate is looking for, but with the trial now over, the focus will likely turn to the next projects from the singer's vaults.

To date, the estate has been busy lining up one project after another, beginning with 2009's This Is It, the documentary on Jackson's planned comeback tour that grossed close to $200 million worldwide on its way to becoming the #2 music documentary of all time.

That was followed by the release of Michael, a posthumous album with unreleased Jackson tracks that sold more than 500,000 copies, alongside more than 1 million units of the This Is It soundtrack. There were also 3 million units shifted of the Ubisoft video game "Michael Jackson: The Experience," which helped rack up the more than $1 billion the estate has brought in since Jackson's death through a combination of music sales, film/TV revenue, music publishing, licensing and a $31 million recording contract with Sony.

Cirque du Soleil's traveling MJ extravaganza, "Immortal," made its American debut this month, boasting a soundtrack that features a number of mash-ups and reimaginings of the singer's music, plus some previously unheard bits. The show's soundtrack is slated to hit stores November 21.

When the show hits Las Vegas in December, it will coincide with the annual Michael Jackson Fan Fest (December 3-14), the ritual gathering of the flock that this year will include a raft of never-before-seen memorabilia from the King of Pop. Among the items at the first-ever estate-authorized fest at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino are the actual gates of Neverland Ranch, Jackson's personal book collection, the 1999 Rolls Royce Seraph limousine with 24-karat gold embellishments designed by the singer, the 10-foot-tall HIStory statue, the spaceship set from the "Scream" video, the throne from the Egyptian-themed "Remember the Time" clip and the tank from the "Earth Song" live performance.

Also reportedly due soon is a repackaging of Jackson's 1987 Bad album, which, like previous reissues, is expected to feature previously unearthed bonus material. The original album featured landmark songs such as the title track, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," "The Way You Make Me Feel," "Man in the Mirror," "Smooth Criminal" and "Dirty Diana."

Given the amount of unreleased material that was reportedly left in the vaults at Jackson's death, there is a strong possibility that another album of unheard tunes could be in the offing soon as well.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...rray.jhtml

this is it is the #1 grossing concert film... not #2..

dm3857 said:

mookie said:

Michael Jackson Estate: What's Next?

Post-Conrad Murray trial projects include Fan Fest in Las Vegas, Badreissue and Cirque du Soleil's 'Immortal' soundtrack.

Michael Jackson has remained just as big a star in death as he was in life — if not bigger. Like Elvis, Bob Marley, Frank Sinatra and Tupac Shakur before him, interest in all things Jackson spiked following the singer's deathand continues to be strong two years after his shocking passing on June 25, 2009.

Jackson's name has been in the news on a daily basis over the past month thanks to the involuntary manslaughter trial of his former physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, who was found guilty, the jury announced Monday. It's not the kind of publicity the Jackson estate is looking for, but with the trial now over, the focus will likely turn to the next projects from the singer's vaults.

To date, the estate has been busy lining up one project after another, beginning with 2009's This Is It, the documentary on Jackson's planned comeback tour that grossed close to $200 million worldwide on its way to becoming the #2 music documentary of all time.

That was followed by the release of Michael, a posthumous album with unreleased Jackson tracks that sold more than 500,000 copies, alongside more than 1 million units of the This Is It soundtrack. There were also 3 million units shifted of the Ubisoft video game "Michael Jackson: The Experience," which helped rack up the more than $1 billion the estate has brought in since Jackson's death through a combination of music sales, film/TV revenue, music publishing, licensing and a $31 million recording contract with Sony.

Cirque du Soleil's traveling MJ extravaganza, "Immortal," made its American debut this month, boasting a soundtrack that features a number of mash-ups and reimaginings of the singer's music, plus some previously unheard bits. The show's soundtrack is slated to hit stores November 21.

When the show hits Las Vegas in December, it will coincide with the annual Michael Jackson Fan Fest (December 3-14), the ritual gathering of the flock that this year will include a raft of never-before-seen memorabilia from the King of Pop. Among the items at the first-ever estate-authorized fest at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino are the actual gates of Neverland Ranch, Jackson's personal book collection, the 1999 Rolls Royce Seraph limousine with 24-karat gold embellishments designed by the singer, the 10-foot-tall HIStory statue, the spaceship set from the "Scream" video, the throne from the Egyptian-themed "Remember the Time" clip and the tank from the "Earth Song" live performance.

Also reportedly due soon is a repackaging of Jackson's 1987 Bad album, which, like previous reissues, is expected to feature previously unearthed bonus material. The original album featured landmark songs such as the title track, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," "The Way You Make Me Feel," "Man in the Mirror," "Smooth Criminal" and "Dirty Diana."

Given the amount of unreleased material that was reportedly left in the vaults at Jackson's death, there is a strong possibility that another album of unheard tunes could be in the offing soon as well.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...rray.jhtml

this is it is the #1 grossing concert film... not #2..

Timmy84 said:

whatsgoingon said:

The hard-core fans will not accept a documentary or book with warts and all.

FUCK THAT!

Co-Sign with Timmy, and in the mean time, read "The Magic & The Madness," Jermaine's new book, and watch "The Life of an Icon" and come to your own conclusion about who Michael was. Maybe in 20 years we'll get the ideal Michael book.

Off topic..do you think we'll ever see a Michael biopic done right ala "Ray?" (I know for it to be done right, it might take 20 years, but just wondering..given how the mainstream views MJ's personal life. Something tells me if/when that does come out..it will end up like the film "Wilde" or "Chaplin" - that really makes the viewer have a lot of empathy for the main character, because, let's face it, Michael, like Wilde, and like, Chaplin, got the shit-end of the stick for the last 20 years of his life, because of some shitty power hungry - and later revenge driven DA. Maybe he wasn't "normal" but fuck it..normal is boring. Michael was lightyears cooler than normal.

alphastreet said:

dm3857 said:

this is it is the #1 grossing concert film... not #2..

Yes it is, worldwide. To them, the USA is the world and that means Beiber is #1.

that makes me sick... this is it earned over 250 million and never say never didnt even reach 100 million...