bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

Just caught the Conrad Murrey doc (called "the man who killed Michael Jackson" in the UK), and I was surprised to see a brief interview with him taken only a month or so ago. It's quite heartbreaking and like anything, both sides of the story needed to be heard.

I had no idea Conrad had that accent. He is soft spoken.

Anyway I do believe him when he said that AEG's Randy Phillips bullied Michael into continuing with the shows after knowingly struggling with rehearsals. In the crisis meeting at Mikes house, Randy supposedly, according to Murrey said omething like "Michael Jackson does not have a f**king cent" or some bullshit. That I can see happening. The pressure on Mike was immense. Randy of course denied ever saying that in court.

I also believe Murrey did try and ween Michael off Properfol (or "milk" as Michael called it LOL). This resulted in better rehearsals just hours before he died. Murrey did admit to giving Michael all sorts of shit the morning he died. Obviously all that crap in him and the properfol (which we now know was minimal) killed him. A tragic accident. I do feel for Murrey when he said Michael begged him for the "milk". Of course, that was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

Murrey does deserve prison time but Michael was seriously dependant on sleeping pills. That I do believe (just like Elvis unfortunately who needed sleep for those fucking vegas shows). Why was he so keen on all these hardcore sleeping drugs? To be "creative" as he put it on giving the best show. A show he should never of done after the crisis meeting. Randy has blood on his hands too.

But trying to wean someone off and still ordering 4 gallons of the stuff?

He just sold a documentary to MSNBC, Channel 4 (UK), and Channel 9 (I think) in Australia

I know, Murrey is shady, but Mike was fucked up during the rehearsals. Those sleeping pills were hardcore. And of course Murrey never went out to kill him. Michael became totaly dependant on him which means being totally dependant on drugs. Maybe Murrey was slowly weening him off? As I said even before the trial, Mike never should of done those shows, and that fool Randy Phillips ALLEGEDLY bullying Michael into continuing is horrible.

The line in "lets go crazy" has a slight new meaning to me now related to Mike. You know the one....

"so when u call up that shrink in beverly hills....."

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

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It's a book I think all MJ fans should have. I'm enjoying it

It's a good book, but a little too praising of everything. Plus it misses all his motown stuff out.

Geoff Browns track by track guide was great when I getting more into the jackson 5. In that book he gives a short review of every single J5/Jacksons and Michael Jackson tracks up until "HIStory", which was the year the book was published. Not sure if it was ever updated but he did a similar track by track thing on Prince. I got one in the same series of Bob Dylan too, though the author was different on that one.

Point is, Geoff is quite funny but also more critical (some would say too critical), but I prefer it more balanced that way. I didn't always agree with him, but it's an interesting "guide" just the same. He was also nearly spot on, on facts, which is surprising for a music critic and not a fan LOL.

I like his review of that all time classic groove, "time explosion" for example:-

"...The last 3 tracks (of "moving violations") on the album have a definate feel of "Here's another one we found in the piano stool"."

Geoff seems to love the late 70's/early 80's stuff too, an era that still gets overlooked.

"

I wish a book about his entire career was published

One thing I didn't like about Vogel's book was that parts of it, I felt I read before. He used "For The Record" for reference so that's definitely why. I also think he should've dug deeper on some topics like unreleased material and should've included Destiny, Triumph, and Victory in the book IMO

AnaisKarim said:

claudiax said:

WTF quincy jones ?

http://www.mjjunderground.com/2011/11/10/conrad-murrays-guilty-finding-a-joke-says-quincy-jones/

Q has been saying shit that was totally senile since MJ passed. When he made the unnecessary comment about "have you seen his kids" - yeah they look like yours Q. Are you their father? I can't stand this old goat. He's still salty that MJ moved on to Teddy Riley after Bad. It's obvious that he has a beef with MJ or he wouldn't just volunteer this type of shit unprovoked.

Quincy was right until that last flippant line (which I suppose was the "joke"). But hey, at least Quincy is honest about shit and I respect him for that. Very bad taste from Quincy though, but hey I hacn't heard the audio yet so I suppose it was sarcastic LOL.

I know Quincy made some crack about his kids, but he is right LOL. Blanket might have something to do with Mike but Paris and Prince don't. It doesn't matter to me personally as Mike raised and loved them, but genetics clearly show Prince and Paris have nothing to do with Mike biologically.

As for Teddy? I lost alot of respect for him for that "Michael" bullshit. I think Quincy said it didn't sound like him on some of the tracks and he was right. Teddy's lying about that, and got paid for it too. Not cool.

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

It's a good book, but a little too praising of everything. Plus it misses all his motown stuff out.

Geoff Browns track by track guide was great when I getting more into the jackson 5. In that book he gives a short review of every single J5/Jacksons and Michael Jackson tracks up until "HIStory", which was the year the book was published. Not sure if it was ever updated but he did a similar track by track thing on Prince. I got one in the same series of Bob Dylan too, though the author was different on that one.

Point is, Geoff is quite funny but also more critical (some would say too critical), but I prefer it more balanced that way. I didn't always agree with him, but it's an interesting "guide" just the same. He was also nearly spot on, on facts, which is surprising for a music critic and not a fan LOL.

I like his review of that all time classic groove, "time explosion" for example:-

"...The last 3 tracks (of "moving violations") on the album have a definate feel of "Here's another one we found in the piano stool"."

Geoff seems to love the late 70's/early 80's stuff too, an era that still gets overlooked.

"

I wish a book about his entire career was published

One thing I didn't like about Vogel's book was that parts of it, I felt I read before. He used "For The Record" for reference so that's definitely why. I also think he should've dug deeper on some topics like unreleased material and should've included Destiny, Triumph, and Victory in the book IMO

Do you own the Geoff Brown book? His "guide to Michael" was better then his "guide to Prince". He even briefly mentions Jermaines career, something that is never written about (and also at lenth on "2300 Jackson street", one of my favourites). I think its UK written but Iam sure it got some sort of release in the states.

Damn that hook is annoyingly catchy LOL. I always loved the "moving violations" cover bytheway

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

But trying to wean someone off and still ordering 4 gallons of the stuff?

He just sold a documentary to MSNBC, Channel 4 (UK), and Channel 9 (I think) in Australia

I know, Murrey is shady, but Mike was fucked up during the rehearsals. Those sleeping pills were hardcore. And of course Murrey never went out to kill him. Michael became totaly dependant on him which means being totally dependant on drugs. Maybe Murrey was slowly weening him off? As I said even before the trial, Mike never should of done those shows, and that fool Randy Phillips ALLEGEDLY bullying Michael into continuing is horrible.

The line in "lets go crazy" has a slight new meaning to me now related to Mike. You know the one....

"so when u call up that shrink in beverly hills....."

Michael was really jittery in several of the clips of This Is It (the scenes were he had the orange pants and silver jacket) The rehearsal footage of him during the Bad Tour and Dangerous Tour was very different. You're right sexofit, I also don't think Michael should've done the shows or the 50 that were planned. Had it been 10, that's different

It was said the benzos that were in Michael's system were harmless but when you add the propofol, that's when it was deadly, add on that Murray walked out and then all the other stuff afterwards....

While I think Murray didn't intentionally kill Michael, I do think he didn't give that much of a fuck either to a certain extent. Michael was wrong of course for even going with the method and going to Murray and Murray is wrong for being greedy and violating his code of ethics

From what the clip of the upcoming special, it looks like he and his defense team is going to drag MJ through the mud. and I why do I have a feeling Joe's greedy ass is gonna sue him....and JUST JOE ALONE?

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

I wish a book about his entire career was published

One thing I didn't like about Vogel's book was that parts of it, I felt I read before. He used "For The Record" for reference so that's definitely why. I also think he should've dug deeper on some topics like unreleased material and should've included Destiny, Triumph, and Victory in the book IMO

Do you own the Geoff Brown book? His "guide to Michael" was better then his "guide to Prince". He even briefly mentions Jermaines career, something that is never written about (and also at lenth on "2300 Jackson street", one of my favourites). I think its UK written but Iam sure it got some sort of release in the states.

Damn that hook is annoyingly catchy LOL. I always loved the "moving violations" cover bytheway

I read Geoff's book from 1984 but not the more recent one. I may have to check it out. My Prince/MJ bookshelf is still looking light

On Teddy, that's what happens when you spend your life slamming Guitar Hero around and writing creepy songs for little girls in Korea now.

Michael Jackson to sing again with Queen stars
Alistair Foster, Showbusiness Correspondent
Updated 12:11pm on 10 Nov 2011

Queen stars Brian May and Roger Taylor are working on tracks featuring the late Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson which will be ready "in the next year".The demos were recorded in the Eighties at Jackson's house while Queen were on tour in the US. At the Classic Rock Roll Of Honour ceremony at the Camden Roundhouse, May, 64, said: "We've been talking to Jackson's estate and they're happy."Queen won the reissue of the year award, The Who's Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend collected the classic album award for Quadrophenia and Jeff Beck, who performed with Joss Stone and Chrissie Hynde, was given the living legend award.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-24008385-michael-jackson-to-sing-again-with-queen-stars.do

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

I know, Murrey is shady, but Mike was fucked up during the rehearsals. Those sleeping pills were hardcore. And of course Murrey never went out to kill him. Michael became totaly dependant on him which means being totally dependant on drugs. Maybe Murrey was slowly weening him off? As I said even before the trial, Mike never should of done those shows, and that fool Randy Phillips ALLEGEDLY bullying Michael into continuing is horrible.

The line in "lets go crazy" has a slight new meaning to me now related to Mike. You know the one....

"so when u call up that shrink in beverly hills....."

Michael was really jittery in several of the clips of This Is It (the scenes were he had the orange pants and silver jacket) The rehearsal footage of him during the Bad Tour and Dangerous Tour was very different. You're right sexofit, I also don't think Michael should've done the shows or the 50 that were planned. Had it been 10, that's different

It was said the benzos that were in Michael's system were harmless but when you add the propofol, that's when it was deadly, add on that Murray walked out and then all the other stuff afterwards....

While I think Murray didn't intentionally kill Michael, I do think he didn't give that much of a fuck either to a certain extent. Michael was wrong of course for even going with the method and going to Murray and Murray is wrong for being greedy and violating his code of ethics

From what the clip of the upcoming special, it looks like he and his defense team is going to drag MJ through the mud. and I why do I have a feeling Joe's greedy ass is gonna sue him....and JUST JOE ALONE?

Iam as hardcore as they come, but I still cant watch all of "this is it". I've seen clips but seeing Mike like that is like a die hard fan seeing fat Elvis. Sure you still see the odd spark or glimmer in their eyes but the heart or soul doesn't really seem to be there anymore. Do you know what I mean? Mike never should have toured again. Maybe the odd show, but never 50. That was bullshit. As you said, you look at his other tour rehearsals and he is loving it. Even the "HIStory" tour he is loving it. I just dont see that in "this is it"....

Iam not sure what to think of Murrey when he says hearkbreaking things like "Mike begged me for Propofol" on the morning of his death. Mike so wanted to do "this is it" and be alert for the rehearsals, that I do believe but Mike never should of done those damn shows.

You see Murrey crying in an interview clip from 2009. I know the doc is biased, but those tears seemed real. Still doesn't alter any of the shit he did, but it's worth a watch though.

alphastreet said:

On Teddy, that's what happens when you spend your life slamming Guitar Hero around and writing creepy songs for little girls in Korea now.

LOL I still love alot of Teddy's classic era stuff, and he worked so great with Mike, but that whole "Michael" album bullshit stunk. He should be ashamed.

Quincy talks shit sometimes but Mike still seemed to love him and vice versa. They had a bond. I wish Quincy would talk about it properly but it's probably too painful still. You know Mike still loved Quincy, despite what some fans say.

bboy87 said:

Michael Jackson to sing again with Queen stars
Alistair Foster, Showbusiness Correspondent
Updated 12:11pm on 10 Nov 2011

Queen stars Brian May and Roger Taylor are working on tracks featuring the late Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson which will be ready "in the next year".The demos were recorded in the Eighties at Jackson's house while Queen were on tour in the US. At the Classic Rock Roll Of Honour ceremony at the Camden Roundhouse, May, 64, said: "We've been talking to Jackson's estate and they're happy."Queen won the reissue of the year award, The Who's Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend collected the classic album award for Quadrophenia and Jeff Beck, who performed with Joss Stone and Chrissie Hynde, was given the living legend award.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-24008385-michael-jackson-to-sing-again-with-queen-stars.do

Finally we will hear what the track "victory" sounds like. Iam sure it's average as I've dreamt for so long about the collaborations. As long as we get the demo's also, I'll be happy.

My God, if only Freddy hadn't been caught doing coke by Mike, lord knows what they could of done together. Particually on stage. Those 2 would be been insane and thats no hyperbole. Imagine "live aid" with them doing a duet? Christ if only....

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

Michael was really jittery in several of the clips of This Is It (the scenes were he had the orange pants and silver jacket) The rehearsal footage of him during the Bad Tour and Dangerous Tour was very different. You're right sexofit, I also don't think Michael should've done the shows or the 50 that were planned. Had it been 10, that's different

It was said the benzos that were in Michael's system were harmless but when you add the propofol, that's when it was deadly, add on that Murray walked out and then all the other stuff afterwards....

While I think Murray didn't intentionally kill Michael, I do think he didn't give that much of a fuck either to a certain extent. Michael was wrong of course for even going with the method and going to Murray and Murray is wrong for being greedy and violating his code of ethics

From what the clip of the upcoming special, it looks like he and his defense team is going to drag MJ through the mud. and I why do I have a feeling Joe's greedy ass is gonna sue him....and JUST JOE ALONE?

Iam as hardcore as they come, but I still cant watch all of "this is it". I've seen clips but seeing Mike like that is like a die hard fan seeing fat Elvis. Sure you still see the odd spark or glimmer in their eyes but the heart or soul doesn't really seem to be there anymore. Do you know what I mean? Mike never should have toured again. Maybe the odd show, but never 50. That was bullshit. As you said, you look at his other tour rehearsals and he is loving it. Even the "HIStory" tour he is loving it. I just dont see that in "this is it"....

Iam not sure what to think of Murrey when he says hearkbreaking things like "Mike begged me for Propofol" on the morning of his death. Mike so wanted to do "this is it" and be alert for the rehearsals, that I do believe but Mike never should of done those damn shows.

You see Murrey crying in an interview clip from 2009. I know the doc is biased, but those tears seemed real. Still doesn't alter any of the shit he did, but it's worth a watch though.

I haven't watched it in full since I got it on DVD. I'll never forget seeing it in theaters though. THAT was a truly beautiful experience

I know he didn't want to tour again. He even said it SEVERAL TIMES. I think he was okay doing shows here and there and maybe a brief residency similar to the first phase of the o2 thing, but a full year? 50 shows? Definitely not.

Honestly, I would've just loved for him to just release his music. Maybe do some shows around the world but just the music and to know he was doing okay would've been just fine for me

My mom still hasn't seen it (She can barely watch his videos now)

thesexofit said:

alphastreet said:

On Teddy, that's what happens when you spend your life slamming Guitar Hero around and writing creepy songs for little girls in Korea now.

LOL I still love alot of Teddy's classic era stuff, and he worked so great with Mike, but that whole "Michael" album bullshit stunk. He should be ashamed.

Quincy talks shit sometimes but Mike still seemed to love him and vice versa. They had a bond. I wish Quincy would talk about it properly but it's probably too painful still. You know Mike still loved Quincy, despite what some fans say.

Yeah I love much of Teddy's work too, he was on fire in the 90's! I think he respects MJ though and didn't trash him like others, so for that alone, I can overlook the 'Michael' incident though it was so upsetting at the time like they were killing him again and trying to make fools out of fans who know his voice.

MJ definitely loved Quincy, but his attitude changed after 2003 towards him.

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-24008385-michael-jackson-to-sing-again-with-queen-stars.do

Finally we will hear what the track "victory" sounds like. Iam sure it's average as I've dreamt for so long about the collaborations. As long as we get the demo's also, I'll be happy.

My God, if only Freddy hadn't been caught doing coke by Mike, lord knows what they could of done together. Particually on stage. Those 2 would be been insane and thats no hyperbole. Imagine "live aid" with them doing a duet? Christ if only....

I remember when I read about the sessions (Victory, State Of Shock, and There Must Be More To Life Than This was recorded in the 24 track studio at Hayvenhurst), and the info I read never mentioned that part but when I read the thing about Freddie doing coke, that surprised the hell outta me

You go to someone's house and you do blow in their bathroom, how rude....

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

Iam as hardcore as they come, but I still cant watch all of "this is it". I've seen clips but seeing Mike like that is like a die hard fan seeing fat Elvis. Sure you still see the odd spark or glimmer in their eyes but the heart or soul doesn't really seem to be there anymore. Do you know what I mean? Mike never should have toured again. Maybe the odd show, but never 50. That was bullshit. As you said, you look at his other tour rehearsals and he is loving it. Even the "HIStory" tour he is loving it. I just dont see that in "this is it"....

Iam not sure what to think of Murrey when he says hearkbreaking things like "Mike begged me for Propofol" on the morning of his death. Mike so wanted to do "this is it" and be alert for the rehearsals, that I do believe but Mike never should of done those damn shows.

You see Murrey crying in an interview clip from 2009. I know the doc is biased, but those tears seemed real. Still doesn't alter any of the shit he did, but it's worth a watch though.

I haven't watched it in full since I got it on DVD. I'll never forget seeing it in theaters though. THAT was a truly beautiful experience

I know he didn't want to tour again. He even said it SEVERAL TIMES. I think he was okay doing shows here and there and maybe a brief residency similar to the first phase of the o2 thing, but a full year? 50 shows? Definitely not.

Honestly, I would've just loved for him to just release his music. Maybe do some shows around the world but just the music and to know he was doing okay would've been just fine for me

My mom still hasn't seen it (She can barely watch his videos now)

My friends at the time were baffled when I didn't want to see it in the theatre. Show looked vegasy anyway but I could see Mike didn't look quite "right". I know its only rehearsal footage but still....

I still hear "elizabeth, I love u" sometimes. Such a bizarre song. I've said it before but Mike really could of done wonders writing songs for the west end/broadway. We know he wanted to play the phantom in the 80's LOL. You could of teamed Mike up with Alen Menken (who does music) or with a great lyricist like Howard Ashman (who died unfortunately in the early 90's).

His work with Buzzy Kohen is overlooked as its few and far between. I hope theres some more collabs with him somewhere? Iam pretty sure he wrote "elizabeth..." with Mike aswell. Sounds like something they would collab on as its so stagey.

[Edited 11/11/11 0:30am]

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

Finally we will hear what the track "victory" sounds like. Iam sure it's average as I've dreamt for so long about the collaborations. As long as we get the demo's also, I'll be happy.

My God, if only Freddy hadn't been caught doing coke by Mike, lord knows what they could of done together. Particually on stage. Those 2 would be been insane and thats no hyperbole. Imagine "live aid" with them doing a duet? Christ if only....

I remember when I read about the sessions (Victory, State Of Shock, and There Must Be More To Life Than This was recorded in the 24 track studio at Hayvenhurst), and the info I read never mentioned that part but when I read the thing about Freddie doing coke, that surprised the hell outta me

You go to someone's house and you do blow in their bathroom, how rude....

Freddie, like Mike, rarely gave interviews, but is often candid (unlike Mike LOL) and he basically said "I blew it" (pardon the pun LOL) with Mike. Fred didn't mention why he blew it, but he did say it though. It was Freddies fault of course as he knew Mike's stance on such things.

I find it weird how Mike stayed living at home after "thriller" had blown up. Talk about a come down. Doing all that hard work, getting all the succsess and then coming back to Joe and all that drama and back to same ole' same ole'. Mike should of got out years before.....

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

I haven't watched it in full since I got it on DVD. I'll never forget seeing it in theaters though. THAT was a truly beautiful experience

I know he didn't want to tour again. He even said it SEVERAL TIMES. I think he was okay doing shows here and there and maybe a brief residency similar to the first phase of the o2 thing, but a full year? 50 shows? Definitely not.

Honestly, I would've just loved for him to just release his music. Maybe do some shows around the world but just the music and to know he was doing okay would've been just fine for me

My mom still hasn't seen it (She can barely watch his videos now)

My friends at the time were baffled when I didn't want to see it in the theatre. Show looked vegasy anyway but I could see Mike didn't look quite "right". I know its only rehearsal footage but still....

I still hear "elizabeth, I love u" sometimes. Such a bizarre song. I've said it before but Mike really could of done wonders writing songs for the west end/broadway. We know he wanted to play the phantom in the 80's LOL. You could of teamed Mike up with Alen Menken (who does music) or with a great lyricist like Howard Ashman (who died unfortunately in the early 90's).

His work with Buzzy Kohen is overlooked as its few and far between. I hope theres some more collabs with him somewhere? Iam pretty sure he wrote "elizabeth..." with Mike aswell. Sounds like something they would collab on as its so stagey.

[Edited 11/11/11 0:30am]

Buz did cowrite Elizabeth The studio version surfaced recently or part of it did

I think Michael would've done broadway music and movie soundtracks. Streetwalker was originally for a broadway play he was working on. That's why 1984-1986 is so interesting to me. He took himself out of the spotlight and appeared rarely after We Are The World and it made people wonder "where did he go?"

He was working on Bad, Smooth Criminal, Moonwalk, Street Dandy, Scared Of The Moon....

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

I remember when I read about the sessions (Victory, State Of Shock, and There Must Be More To Life Than This was recorded in the 24 track studio at Hayvenhurst), and the info I read never mentioned that part but when I read the thing about Freddie doing coke, that surprised the hell outta me

You go to someone's house and you do blow in their bathroom, how rude....

Freddie, like Mike, rarely gave interviews, but is often candid (unlike Mike LOL) and he basically said "I blew it" (pardon the pun LOL) with Mike. Fred didn't mention why he blew it, but he did say it though. It was Freddies fault of course as he knew Mike's stance on such things.

I find it weird how Mike stayed living at home after "thriller" had blown up. Talk about a come down. Doing all that hard work, getting all the succsess and then coming back to Joe and all that drama and back to same ole' same ole'. Mike should of got out years before.....

A shame Fred & Mike never got to finish those sessions, or if they did and that incident happened, that that's why he exchanged Fred for Mick.

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

My friends at the time were baffled when I didn't want to see it in the theatre. Show looked vegasy anyway but I could see Mike didn't look quite "right". I know its only rehearsal footage but still....

I still hear "elizabeth, I love u" sometimes. Such a bizarre song. I've said it before but Mike really could of done wonders writing songs for the west end/broadway. We know he wanted to play the phantom in the 80's LOL. You could of teamed Mike up with Alen Menken (who does music) or with a great lyricist like Howard Ashman (who died unfortunately in the early 90's).

His work with Buzzy Kohen is overlooked as its few and far between. I hope theres some more collabs with him somewhere? Iam pretty sure he wrote "elizabeth..." with Mike aswell. Sounds like something they would collab on as its so stagey.

[Edited 11/11/11 0:30am]

Buz did cowrite Elizabeth The studio version surfaced recently or part of it did

I think Michael would've done broadway music and movie soundtracks. Streetwalker was originally for a broadway play he was working on. That's why 1984-1986 is so interesting to me. He took himself out of the spotlight and appeared rarely after We Are The World and it made people wonder "where did he go?"

He was working on Bad, Smooth Criminal, Moonwalk, Street Dandy, Scared Of The Moon....

Michael definitely had a lot of plans to do those types of work, I look at that time period and think "wow if he was able to do ALL of that, he'd rule the world better than he did then."

So yeah anyway, the doc about Murrey is worth seeing. I know its tough, but you should still hear both sides....

anyway, I wonder how Mike did feel about complete filler songs like "time explosion"? (Ok dumb question, I bet he hated at least some of those j5 songs, not that you could ever tell as he often sounded so good on even the filler, dross tracks)

I do feel the vast amount of work he did as a kid, made him work hard on every song as an adult because of how bad some of those J5 songs were. In otherwords, he didn't want to repeat the fact he put his voice to alot of filler in his early days. If that was the case then he sucseeded and then some.

And I bet it's true he was pissed at the blatant cash in of "farewell my summer love" . That was one of my first ever Michael Jackson records. I love all the sorta New Editionesque overdubs, and whilst I don't like side 2 much, side 1 is still pretty good if you like that sorta thing (which would be only me LOL). It helps that I like the 2 new producers on that album called Steve Barri and Tony Peluso. I loved their work around that time.

thesexofit said:

So yeah anyway, the doc about Murrey is worth seeing. I know its tough, but you should still hear both sides....

anyway, I wonder how Mike did feel about complete filler songs like "time explosion"? (Ok dumb question, I bet he hated at least some of those j5 songs, not that you could ever tell as he often sounded so good on even the filler, dross tracks)

I do feel the vast amount of work he did as a kid, made him work hard on every song as an adult because of how bad some of those J5 songs were. In otherwords, he didn't want to repeat the fact he put his voice to alot of filler in his early days. If that was the case then he sucseeded and then some.

And I bet it's true he was pissed at the blatant cash in of "farewell my summer love" . That was one of my first ever Michael Jackson records. I love all the sorta New Editionesque overdubs, and whilst I don't like side 2 much, side 1 is still pretty good if you like that sorta thing (which would be only me LOL). It helps that I like the 2 new producers on that album called Steve Barri and Tony Peluso. I loved their work around that time.

I wonder if there's some lost tape interview of Michael from around 2003 where he's talking SHIT about the later Motown sessions and how he thought that most of the songs they were doing were crap.

alphastreet said:

I don't want to go to it, why is it a bad site?

There's nothing there that hasn't been seen or said before, ignore it.

But here's a site concerning something about Mike that the biased, agenda driven lamestream media will never tell you about.

http://rhythmofthetide.co...d-friends/

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

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It's a book I think all MJ fans should have. I'm enjoying it

It's a good book, but a little too praising of everything. Plus it misses all his motown stuff out.

Geoff Browns track by track guide was great when I getting more into the jackson 5. In that book he gives a short review of every single J5/Jacksons and Michael Jackson tracks up until "HIStory", which was the year the book was published. Not sure if it was ever updated but he did a similar track by track thing on Prince. I got one in the same series of Bob Dylan too, though the author was different on that one.

Point is, Geoff is quite funny but also more critical (some would say too critical), but I prefer it more balanced that way. I didn't always agree with him, but it's an interesting "guide" just the same. He was also nearly spot on, on facts, which is surprising for a music critic and not a fan LOL.

I like his review of that all time classic groove, "time explosion" for example:-

"...The last 3 tracks (of "moving violations") on the album have a definate feel of "Here's another one we found in the piano stool"."

Geoff seems to love the late 70's/early 80's stuff too, an era that still gets overlooked.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!!

That's the era that most critics drool over while ignoring/discrediting Mike's later work.

The reason Joe's book is so great is precisely because he digs into the underrated post Thriller material.

thesexofit said:

So yeah anyway, the doc about Murrey is worth seeing. I know its tough, but you should still hear both sides....

anyway, I wonder how Mike did feel about complete filler songs like "time explosion"? (Ok dumb question, I bet he hated at least some of those j5 songs, not that you could ever tell as he often sounded so good on even the filler, dross tracks)

I do feel the vast amount of work he did as a kid, made him work hard on every song as an adult because of how bad some of those J5 songs were. In otherwords, he didn't want to repeat the fact he put his voice to alot of filler in his early days. If that was the case then he sucseeded and then some.

And I bet it's true he was pissed at the blatant cash in of "farewell my summer love" . That was one of my first ever Michael Jackson records. I love all the sorta New Editionesque overdubs, and whilst I don't like side 2 much, side 1 is still pretty good if you like that sorta thing (which would be only me LOL). It helps that I like the 2 new producers on that album called Steve Barri and Tony Peluso. I loved their work around that time.

I wonder how that documentary fares with the upcoming one that Murray did

Michael once said he couldn't remember a lot of the Motown stuff because they were always recording and there was so much. Alot of it may be a blur to him. If you look at the recording session dates, tour dates, and various appearances, it's a wonder he remembered specific moments Martin Bashir even asked him about With A Child's Heart and Michael said "I don't remember that one very much" He did like the album cover for Moving Violation

bboy87 said:

Michael Jackson to sing again with Queen stars
Alistair Foster, Showbusiness Correspondent
Updated 12:11pm on 10 Nov 2011

Queen stars Brian May and Roger Taylor are working on tracks featuring the late Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson which will be ready "in the next year".The demos were recorded in the Eighties at Jackson's house while Queen were on tour in the US. At the Classic Rock Roll Of Honour ceremony at the Camden Roundhouse, May, 64, said: "We've been talking to Jackson's estate and they're happy."Queen won the reissue of the year award, The Who's Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend collected the classic album award for Quadrophenia and Jeff Beck, who performed with Joss Stone and Chrissie Hynde, was given the living legend award.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-24008385-michael-jackson-to-sing-again-with-queen-stars.do

So blue gangsta , land with no name , and queen demo's are confirmed for the next post humous album? What about do you know where youre children are?

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

Michael was really jittery in several of the clips of This Is It (the scenes were he had the orange pants and silver jacket) The rehearsal footage of him during the Bad Tour and Dangerous Tour was very different. You're right sexofit, I also don't think Michael should've done the shows or the 50 that were planned. Had it been 10, that's different

It was said the benzos that were in Michael's system were harmless but when you add the propofol, that's when it was deadly, add on that Murray walked out and then all the other stuff afterwards....

While I think Murray didn't intentionally kill Michael, I do think he didn't give that much of a fuck either to a certain extent. Michael was wrong of course for even going with the method and going to Murray and Murray is wrong for being greedy and violating his code of ethics

From what the clip of the upcoming special, it looks like he and his defense team is going to drag MJ through the mud. and I why do I have a feeling Joe's greedy ass is gonna sue him....and JUST JOE ALONE?

Iam as hardcore as they come, but I still cant watch all of "this is it". I've seen clips but seeing Mike like that is like a die hard fan seeing fat Elvis. Sure you still see the odd spark or glimmer in their eyes but the heart or soul doesn't really seem to be there anymore. Do you know what I mean? Mike never should have toured again. Maybe the odd show, but never 50. That was bullshit. As you said, you look at his other tour rehearsals and he is loving it. Even the "HIStory" tour he is loving it. I just dont see that in "this is it"....

Iam not sure what to think of Murrey when he says hearkbreaking things like "Mike begged me for Propofol" on the morning of his death. Mike so wanted to do "this is it" and be alert for the rehearsals, that I do believe but Mike never should of done those damn shows.

You see Murrey crying in an interview clip from 2009. I know the doc is biased, but those tears seemed real. Still doesn't alter any of the shit he did, but it's worth a watch though.

Do you really think he had fun during history tour ? To me it looked like he didnt have fun after bad tour. But thats just my 2 cents

Cloudbuster said:

thesexofit said:

It's a good book, but a little too praising of everything. Plus it misses all his motown stuff out.

Geoff Browns track by track guide was great when I getting more into the jackson 5. In that book he gives a short review of every single J5/Jacksons and Michael Jackson tracks up until "HIStory", which was the year the book was published. Not sure if it was ever updated but he did a similar track by track thing on Prince. I got one in the same series of Bob Dylan too, though the author was different on that one.

Point is, Geoff is quite funny but also more critical (some would say too critical), but I prefer it more balanced that way. I didn't always agree with him, but it's an interesting "guide" just the same. He was also nearly spot on, on facts, which is surprising for a music critic and not a fan LOL.

I like his review of that all time classic groove, "time explosion" for example:-

"...The last 3 tracks (of "moving violations") on the album have a definate feel of "Here's another one we found in the piano stool"."

Geoff seems to love the late 70's/early 80's stuff too, an era that still gets overlooked.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!!

That's the era that most critics drool over while ignoring/discrediting Mike's later work.

The reason Joe's book is so great is precisely because he digs into the underrated post Thriller material.

True. Mike's post Thriller work and especially his 90's work don't get credit at all which is sad because during the 90 Mike created, in my opinion, some of his best song, both musically and lyrically.

alphastreet said:

AnaisKarim said:

That site is designed for "fans" who don't know the facts of either the 93 allegations or the 2005 trial. Instead of disproving the specific evidence or lack thereof in MJ's situation, they bombard the reader with unrelated and nonspecific case studies and hypotheticals. Why would anyone trying to convince me that MJ could have anally penetrated a boy and leave no evidence, cite an unrelated study done on girls? Just ludicrous and designed to inflame the imagination of people who enjoy inuendo and jumping to conclusions much more than provable facts like the ones presented in court where MJ was exonerated on all the charges.

I worry for the future of these post 6-25 fans thanks to sites like these out there *smh* I wish the estate can shut them down.

[Edited 11/11/11 6:24am]

bboy87 said:

Conrad Murray - NBC Today Show Interview - Part 1 - Aired 11-10-2011

Savannah: Michael Jackson was one of the most beloved entertainers in this country, around the world. what is like to be blamed for his death ?

Murray: Well I love Michael too. I'm as much of a fan as any of the others. To be blamed for his death has not been an easy thing.

(Voice over) Murray first met Michael Jackson during a house call in Las Vegas at 2006 and then saw him on and off from that point forward.

(Video of TII announcement)

(Voice over) When Jackson agreed to a comeback tour in 2009, he wanted his own full time doctor with him and the concert promoter agreed to hire Jackson's pick Dr. Murray for a salary of $150,000 a month.

Savannah: Do you now wish that you never met Michael Jackson?

Murray: (I don't want to?) put blame on Michael as an individual. I'm not sure I regret that I meet Michael, I only wish maybe in our dealings with each other he was more forthcoming and honest to tell me things about himself.

Savannah: You think he lied to you?

Murray: Definitely.

Savannah: About what?

Murray : Well certainly he was deceptive by not sharing with me his whole medical history, the doctors he was seeing, the treatments he might have been receiving.

(video of Walgren at trial talking about medicines)

(Voice over) In court prosecutors laid out dozens of prescription bottles found in Michael Jackson's home days after his death. A pharmacopia of pain killers, anti depressants and anti anxiety medications.

Savannah: Did you really not know he had an addiction problem?

Murray : Absolutely not. did not have a clue.

Savannah: But wait a minute, you knew he was seeing other doctors. on bedside there are all these prescriptions with other doctors names on it.

Murray : I cannot prevent Michael from seeing other doctor for whatever reason.

Savannah: When he hired you, you must have realized the main reason he hired you was to give him this drug Propofol.

Murray: No. Not at all.

Savannah: But when he hired you full time one of the first actions you took was to start buying Propofol and sending it to California.

Murray : Absolutely that's not correct. First of all I met Michael with Propofol. This was not something that I introduced to Michael.

(voice over) In fact Murray was hired in March 2009 and between April and June of that year prosecutors say he ordered 255 vials of Propofol adding up to more than 4 gallons for Jackson's personal use.

(video of security footage)

(voice over) For 2 months Jackson came home late at night for rehearsals and Dr. Murray's work day began. Setting up Michael with an IV in his bedroom, administering Propofol to help him sleep.

Savannah: To you there's still nothing wrong with giving Propofol in a home setting?

Murray: I think Propofol is not recommended to be given in a home setting but it's not contraindicated.

Savannah: Was it wrong for you to give it in the conditions in which you gave it to Michael Jackson?

Murray: I look at Mike's condition but Michael - not as giving it but trying to find a method to take away something from him that I felt he should not be using on his own.

Savannah: but why didn't you just walk away?

Murray: I should have walked away but if also I walked away I would have abandoned a friend.

(voice over) Dr. Murray claims he was weaning Jackson off the drug.

Savannah: Why should anyone believe that after 60 days of administering Propofol that suddenly in those last few days you decided to stop giving him Propofol? Why should anyone believe that?

Murray: Well I tell you what. That happened. 3 days towards his death he was weaned off and I was success- I was extremely happy. because I finally received the state I wanted. The state was Michael away from Propofol.

(voice over) Whatever his state was that night, at trial one of the most shocking pieces of evidence showed Michael Jackson in early May under the influence of something

(partial audio of May 10 recording)

(voice over) The slurred voice of Michael Jackson 6 weeks before his death in a recording police found out on Conrad Murray's iPhone.

Savannah: What was the purpose of recording him in that state?

Murray : It was incidentally recorded.

Savannah: You mean an accident?

Murray: Yeah it was an accident.

Savannah: When did you find out that it had been recorded?

Murray: In court.

Savannah: During the opening statements?

Murray: H-hmm.

(another part of May 10 recording is played)

Murray : I ask him a question "Are you okay?" , I'm heard saying that to Michael. Then he says yes and then the next thing I heard is that he says "I'm asleep".

Savannah: Was he on Propofol?

Murray : He was.

(footage from TII movie)

(Voice over) Although he desperately wanted that comeback, Michael Jackson's days was numbered and Dr. Murray was the last person to ever to see Michael Jackson alive.

Savannah: How much pressure did you feel to get him to sleep?

Murray : Tremendous, tremendous. It was like nothing that I had ever encountered.

Savannah: You are the last person to see him or talk to him before he died. What was he like in those final hours?

Murray: A desperate man. Desperate.

Savannah : Are you the cause of Michael Jackson's death?

Murray: No. I'm not.

Savannah: Do you remember his final words before he died?

Murray: (thinks for a while) It was probably - I don't know - Probably when he was pleading and begging me to please please let him have some milk because that was the only thing that would work.

Tomorrow he'll answer : why he didn't call 911 right away, why he didn't tell paramedics that he had given Propofol and how long was he really out of the room.

Can someone explain to me how is it possible that jurors are not allowed to talk about it and get paid and he is? Even if it was done for free, how come he is allowed to talk about it in the first place? Spreading his lies to the already brainwashed public without Walgren cross examining, I truly don't wanna hear his part of the story especially since everything he said in court was one big LIE! I don¨t trust a word this man says.

As for Quincy... I am speechless.

[Edited 11/11/11 8:13am]