Timmy84 said:

Kurt Loder can suck my fucking dick. Anyways, found a rare candid photo of MJ before the fame:

alphastreet said:

dm3857 said:

this is it is the #1 grossing concert film... not #2..

Yes it is, worldwide. To them, the USA is the world and that means Beiber is #1.

*looks at newspaper* hmm..I don't see anything about pigs flying or hell freezing over.

EmeraldSkies said:

Timmy84 said:

Kurt Loder can suck my fucking dick. Anyways, found a rare candid photo of MJ before the fame:

heh I can't stand Boredor.

Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

heh I can't stand Boredor.

Neither can I.

EmeraldSkies said:

alphastreet said:

Yes it is, worldwide. To them, the USA is the world and that means Beiber is #1.

*looks at newspaper* hmm..I don't see anything about pigs flying or hell freezing over.

I hate beiber

So..... I just watched "Michael Jackson: Life Of An Icon"

overall, it's an okay documentary. It was great seeing Raynaud Jones, Bobby Taylor, Dennis Edwards, Gamble and Huff, Ron Alexenburg, Smokey talk about the early days

It was great for the first part discussing the pre Motown days and the 1969-75 years. Those years along with 1976-81 get passed over so often that it was really nice to hear about how the group formed and the early incarnations and from people who were actually around to give their prospectives

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

1976-79 should've been discussed more. Matter of fact, they spent talking about 1979-1988 in just 5 minutes

Aside from Tito, Katherine and Rebbie saying Joesph wasn't all that bad, everyone else said differently, ESPECIALLY Bobby Taylor, who called Joe a tyrant, mean, and violent

Only ONE....ONE mention of Destiny, and it was brushed to the side

The post Motown stuff is severely missed. The lack of discussion of the music from 1979-1991 and the bad quality news footage that was used made the second part of the documentary feel like a bootleg

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

J. Randy Taraborelli shouldn't have been included so much. His favorite line was "You know, after -X- happened, michael told me...." The fly on the wall method in his writing echoed in this

I wonder if they and Paul Anka knows that Michael copyrighted This Is It (possibly an earlier version) in 1980.....hmmmm

Wonderful footage of the American Cinema Awards

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

The footage of Michael's body being carried off the wheelchair being included...

The talk about 2001-2009 was meh

Frank Cascio creeps me the hell out. Something about him..... He looks like he steals car radios and sells crack as a hobby

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

overall, I'd give a 3 of 5

Hi , im new ! sorry for my bad english , i speak spanish ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiMOS6ZFiQ&feature=related

Kurt Loder or what the fuck ever, can think whatever the hell he wants. He wasn't there. He knows just as much as the rest of us. Doesn't change my opinion at all.

bboy87 said:

So..... I just watched "Michael Jackson: Life Of An Icon"

overall, it's an okay documentary. It was great seeing Raynaud Jones, Bobby Taylor, Dennis Edwards, Gamble and Huff, Ron Alexenburg, Smokey talk about the early days

It was great for the first part discussing the pre Motown days and the 1969-75 years. Those years along with 1976-81 get passed over so often that it was really nice to hear about how the group formed and the early incarnations and from people who were actually around to give their prospectives

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

1976-79 should've been discussed more. Matter of fact, they spent talking about 1979-1988 in just 5 minutes

Aside from Tito, Katherine and Rebbie saying Joesph wasn't all that bad, everyone else said differently, ESPECIALLY Bobby Taylor, who called Joe a tyrant, mean, and violent

Only ONE....ONE mention of Destiny, and it was brushed to the side

The post Motown stuff is severely missed. The lack of discussion of the music from 1979-1991 and the bad quality news footage that was used made the second part of the documentary feel like a bootleg

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

J. Randy Taraborelli shouldn't have been included so much. His favorite line was "You know, after -X- happened, michael told me...." The fly on the wall method in his writing echoed in this

I wonder if they and Paul Anka knows that Michael copyrighted This Is It (possibly an earlier version) in 1980.....hmmmm

Wonderful footage of the American Cinema Awards

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

The footage of Michael's body being carried off the wheelchair being included...

The talk about 2001-2009 was meh

Frank Cascio creeps me the hell out. Something about him..... He looks like he steals car radios and sells crack as a hobby

TOO MUCH DAVID GEST

overall, I'd give a 3 of 5

The 1976-1981 era gets so much DISRESPECT and OVERLOOKING.

Did anyone ever heard of mjfacts.info ? what a horrible site

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I don't want to go to it, why is it a bad site?

alphastreet said:

I don't want to go to it, why is it a bad site?

Michael Jackson's Secret Hollywood

http://www.cbc.ca/documentarychannel/feature-programs/michael_jacksons_secret_hollywood/

it is/was on a Canadian Documentary channel tonight but I was wondering if anyone had seen it and if it was any good/relevant?

Oh shit, I didn't know about it, I get CBC.

And what are these sources on mjfacts? The books printed in the 90's?

motownlover said:

Did anyone ever heard of mjfacts.info ? what a horrible site

LOL, that site is totally laughable. The only thing that does is presenting onesided things about the allegations and their "sourses" are tabloid stories, books of the one and only Diane Dimond, Maureen Orth, the book of the uncle of the 1993 boy, Ray Chandler -very trustworthy indeed etc .Basically they have uploaded anything that will make Mike look like a pedophile, hiding facts and proofs that show otherwise, twisting evidence and court transcripts, presenting faulce and fake "proofs" of Mike's perversion etc. When i first read the site i was laughing about the ignorance and stupidity of those who were "presenting their facts there".

Oh and not to forget, the person that has that site not long ago was using a fake e-mail accunt pretending to be a jurnalist who has written some pro MJ articles. When that jurnalist found it out, he reported the site to their web host and the site was shut down. I guess the person who has it, reupload it.

I can see why people think that is a bad site, For those who are not sure about MJ's innocence or they are in the fence because they don't know the facts, they might believe the stupidities.. But for people who know what really went on in 1993 and 2005, that site is just a wishfull thinking of a perverted ,i might add, mind.

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I finally got my book!! Figures it would take me canceling my order to get them to send it.

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mookie said:

From the Estate of Michael Jackson:

Like so many of Michael’s fans, the Estate is also disgusted by MSNBC’s irresponsible and inexplicable decision to air a Conrad Murray “documentary” and the Co-Executors, John Branca and John McClain, are sending a letter to the top executives at Comcast, NBC Universal and MSNBC to express their disdain for their actions.

Those two are just mad that they can't get 10% of it.

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

i always question when people say, 'well, i've seen documents'.

oh, really? who the hell is kurt fucking loder for anyone to have shown him anything, number one. number two, what has he seen that the fbi and santa barbara police dept. didn't see? under the evidence code, if there were some docs that specifically state 'i, mj, am paying you x dollars not to sue me for molesting your child', then those docs would have been brought into evidence at his trial. loder is a liar.

but hey, at least we know kurt loder is not dead. this is the most publicity his shiveled up ass has seen in along time!

Thank you! The purpose of his little "disclosure" was to reign in some of this public sympathy for MJ lest the pendulum swing too far in the positive direction. It's not cool to out right hate MJ anymore, but they didn't like the overly pro MJ sentiment that has been steadily growing over the last couple of years. This little drama was intended to speak to the media sheeple who like inuendo more than facts.

motownlover said:

Did anyone ever heard of mjfacts.info ? what a horrible site

That site is designed for "fans" who don't know the facts of either the 93 allegations or the 2005 trial. Instead of disproving the specific evidence or lack thereof in MJ's situation, they bombard the reader with unrelated and nonspecific case studies and hypotheticals. Why would anyone trying to convince me that MJ could have anally penetrated a boy and leave no evidence, cite an unrelated study done on girls? Just ludicrous and designed to inflame the imagination of people who enjoy inuendo and jumping to conclusions much more than provable facts like the ones presented in court where MJ was exonerated on all the charges.

AnaisKarim said:

motownlover said:

Did anyone ever heard of mjfacts.info ? what a horrible site

That site is designed for "fans" who don't know the facts of either the 93 allegations or the 2005 trial. Instead of disproving the specific evidence or lack thereof in MJ's situation, they bombard the reader with unrelated and nonspecific case studies and hypotheticals. Why would anyone trying to convince me that MJ could have anally penetrated a boy and leave no evidence, cite an unrelated study done on girls? Just ludicrous and designed to inflame the imagination of people who enjoy inuendo and jumping to conclusions much more than provable facts like the ones presented in court where MJ was exonerated on all the charges.

I worry for the future of these post 6-25 fans thanks to sites like these out there *smh* I wish the estate can shut them down.

WTF quincy jones ?

http://www.mjjunderground.com/2011/11/10/conrad-murrays-guilty-finding-a-joke-says-quincy-jones/

claudiax said:

WTF quincy jones ?

http://www.mjjunderground.com/2011/11/10/conrad-murrays-guilty-finding-a-joke-says-quincy-jones/

Sounds like Quincy must be getting profol from somewhere.

claudiax said:

WTF quincy jones ?

http://www.mjjunderground.com/2011/11/10/conrad-murrays-guilty-finding-a-joke-says-quincy-jones/

Q has been saying shit that was totally senile since MJ passed. When he made the unnecessary comment about "have you seen his kids" - yeah they look like yours Q. Are you their father? I can't stand this old goat. He's still salty that MJ moved on to Teddy Riley after Bad. It's obvious that he has a beef with MJ or he wouldn't just volunteer this type of shit unprovoked.

alphastreet said:

AnaisKarim said:

That site is designed for "fans" who don't know the facts of either the 93 allegations or the 2005 trial. Instead of disproving the specific evidence or lack thereof in MJ's situation, they bombard the reader with unrelated and nonspecific case studies and hypotheticals. Why would anyone trying to convince me that MJ could have anally penetrated a boy and leave no evidence, cite an unrelated study done on girls? Just ludicrous and designed to inflame the imagination of people who enjoy inuendo and jumping to conclusions much more than provable facts like the ones presented in court where MJ was exonerated on all the charges.

I worry for the future of these post 6-25 fans thanks to sites like these out there *smh* I wish the estate can shut them down.

I don't think the estate cares. It benefits them for people to think MJ and his whole family are criminals and nuts because it covers their backs while they sell everything that isn't nailed down and collect their 10%. Lawyers care about the bottom line and these are crooked lawyers at that. Ten percent of a billion bucks is a lot of incentive to turn a blind eye to some crap.

EmeraldSkies said:

I finally got my book!! Figures it would take me canceling my order to get them to send it.

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It's a book I think all MJ fans should have. I'm enjoying it

Just caught the Conrad Murrey doc (called "the man who killed Michael Jackson" in the UK), and I was surprised to see a brief interview with him taken only a month or so ago. It's quite heartbreaking and like anything, both sides of the story needed to be heard.

I had no idea Conrad had that accent. He is soft spoken.

Anyway I do believe him when he said that AEG's Randy Phillips bullied Michael into continuing with the shows after knowingly struggling with rehearsals. In the crisis meeting at Mikes house, Randy supposedly, according to Murrey said omething like "Michael Jackson does not have a f**king cent" or some bullshit. That I can see happening. The pressure on Mike was immense. Randy of course denied ever saying that in court.

I also believe Murrey did try and ween Michael off Properfol (or "milk" as Michael called it LOL). This resulted in better rehearsals just hours before he died. Murrey did admit to giving Michael all sorts of shit the morning he died. Obviously all that crap in him and the properfol (which we now know was minimal) killed him. A tragic accident. I do feel for Murrey when he said Michael begged him for the "milk". Of course, that was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

Murrey does deserve prison time but Michael was seriously dependant on sleeping pills. That I do believe (just like Elvis unfortunately who needed sleep for those fucking vegas shows). Why was he so keen on all these hardcore sleeping drugs? To be "creative" as he put it on giving the best show. A show he should never of done after the crisis meeting. Randy has blood on his hands too.

thesexofit said:

Just caught the Conrad Murrey doc (called "the man who killed Michael Jackson" in the UK), and I was surprised to see a brief interview with him taken only a month or so ago. It's quite heartbreaking and like anything, both sides of the story needed to be heard.

I had no idea Conrad had that accent. He is soft spoken.

Anyway I do believe him when he said that AEG's Randy Phillips bullied Michael into continuing with the shows after knowingly struggling with rehearsals. In the crisis meeting at Mikes house, Randy supposedly, according to Murrey said omething like "Michael Jackson does not have a f**king cent" or some bullshit. That I can see happening. The pressure on Mike was immense. Randy of course denied ever saying that in court.

I also believe Murrey did try and ween Michael off Properfol (or "milk" as Michael called it LOL). This resulted in better rehearsals just hours before he died. Murrey did admit to giving Michael all sorts of shit the morning he died. Obviously all that crap in him and the properfol (which we now know was minimal) killed him. A tragic accident. I do feel for Murrey when he said Michael begged him for the "milk". Of course, that was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

Murrey does deserve prison time but Michael was seriously dependant on sleeping pills. That I do believe (just like Elvis unfortunately who needed sleep for those fucking vegas shows). Why was he so keen on all these hardcore sleeping drugs? To be "creative" as he put it on giving the best show. A show he should never of done after the crisis meeting. Randy has blood on his hands too.

But trying to wean someone off and still ordering 4 gallons of the stuff?

He just sold a documentary to MSNBC, Channel 4 (UK), and Channel 9 (I think) in Australia

bboy87 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I finally got my book!! Figures it would take me canceling my order to get them to send it.

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It's a book I think all MJ fans should have. I'm enjoying it

It's a good book, but a little too praising of everything. Plus it misses all his motown stuff out.

Geoff Browns track by track guide was great when I getting more into the jackson 5. In that book he gives a short review of every single J5/Jacksons and Michael Jackson tracks up until "HIStory", which was the year the book was published. Not sure if it was ever updated but he did a similar track by track thing on Prince. I got one in the same series of Bob Dylan too, though the author was different on that one.

Point is, Geoff is quite funny but also more critical (some would say too critical), but I prefer it more balanced that way. I didn't always agree with him, but it's an interesting "guide" just the same. He was also nearly spot on, on facts, which is surprising for a music critic and not a fan LOL.

I like his review of that all time classic groove, "time explosion" for example:-

"...The last 3 tracks (of "moving violations") on the album have a definate feel of "Here's another one we found in the piano stool"."

Geoff seems to love the late 70's/early 80's stuff too, an era that still gets overlooked.

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