daPrettyman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I just want to say, Janet looks fine as hell in that first picture.

I think that's a pic from her SNL appearance.

It's from her SNL appearance and yes sc12, she was definitely looking tasty here.

alphastreet said:

TotalAlisa said:

well i was really basing it on popularity and success whether the AFY album sold less than the janet album. The last big commercial success for janet was AFY and then she went down hill. So I consider it her peak.

Its like saying Thrill is MJ's peak because it sold the most, even though his albums after were just as amazing and successful.

I actually like VR and AFY better than the Janet album.

But peak means the highest level of popularity among the public, and though she had that with all for you, I think it was at it's highest from the Rhythm Nation through Design of a Decade eras to be honest, and after that if she had a hit, she had a hit, even though I loved her best during the same eras you named too cause I was an active fan then, discovering her at the tail end of the janet. era. If I hear others reference loving Janet the most, they name the janet. era almost all the time and I occasionally hear Control or Rhythm Nation, or "for the songs Together Again and All For You" cute huh?

Since you brought up MJ, I know people act like Thriller is the most popular and I believe them though I was an infant during that era though as soon as I could remember, I remember him in flashes from what was being played, but from what I remember about Bad and Dangerous while happening though I just liked him from afar in passing if he was played at the time, he was extremely popular and it was hard to get away from people performing his stuff or playing him at parties using the popular single of the era, which is why I don't believe critics who say he declined after Thriller, I lived during that time as a casual observer from afar though when I played catch up in the 90's and loved him after rediscovering him and all these things I missed out on or didn't realize was him before though I knew it, he was still considered popular. Yes, during HIStory. I remember an article said the general public likes him, the media don't, and it rang true those days.

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but didn't she get the ICON MTV honor show during the AFY era??? IF thats not a high level of popularity I don't know what is. I just remember during her AFY so many people were on fire for janet, myself included.

is this about an artist peak or highest sales on an album.

MJ's peak was the Dangerous album, then after the child molestation allegations it went down hill.

His star power rose during thriller but MJ continue to maintain and/or get bigger after thriller until his run in with the laws. Thriller was not his peak, he was still as popular during the bad, and dangerous album.

Rythm Nation is not janet's peak, she was still popular and respected all through the 90s. Just because the next album sales after a big hit doesn't mean the person reached their peak.

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

I think that's a pic from her SNL appearance.

It's from her SNL appearance and yes sc12, she was definitely looking tasty here.

Amen.

daPrettyman said:

TotalAlisa said:

I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR POSTS!!!!

like I said AFY is her peak it was her last biggest hit. Whether it sold less than beyonce's first solo album. Because we know it sold more than beyonce's recent album.

Were u around for the RN era? RN was definitely her biggest album/project. That is why she rarely does a show without performing EVERY hit from that album. AFY (the song) was one of her biggest hits, but it wasn't the peak of her career.

I just think an artist peak, is not about album sales, its about hit songs and popularity. Because every artist has one album that sold the most.

I think the VR didn't sell as well as the Janet album because its was a completely side of janet people didn't see before. But people were ANXIOUS for the album it debuted number 1, and tour. So she was very popular, I just think the album suprised the public they probably wanted a Janet album part 2. But after the tour which aired LIVE on HBO. The album began to pick up.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

It's from her SNL appearance and yes sc12, she was definitely looking tasty here.

Amen.

I swore between 2001 and 2004 Janet was definitely influencing me enough that I almost wanted to find JD, sock him and take Janet for myself!

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Amen.

I swore between 2001 and 2004 Janet was definitely influencing me enough that I almost wanted to find JD, sock him and take Janet for myself!

She's always been fine as hell. Marvel at this:

TotalAlisa said:

alphastreet said:

But peak means the highest level of popularity among the public, and though she had that with all for you, I think it was at it's highest from the Rhythm Nation through Design of a Decade eras to be honest, and after that if she had a hit, she had a hit, even though I loved her best during the same eras you named too cause I was an active fan then, discovering her at the tail end of the janet. era. If I hear others reference loving Janet the most, they name the janet. era almost all the time and I occasionally hear Control or Rhythm Nation, or "for the songs Together Again and All For You" cute huh?

Since you brought up MJ, I know people act like Thriller is the most popular and I believe them though I was an infant during that era though as soon as I could remember, I remember him in flashes from what was being played, but from what I remember about Bad and Dangerous while happening though I just liked him from afar in passing if he was played at the time, he was extremely popular and it was hard to get away from people performing his stuff or playing him at parties using the popular single of the era, which is why I don't believe critics who say he declined after Thriller, I lived during that time as a casual observer from afar though when I played catch up in the 90's and loved him after rediscovering him and all these things I missed out on or didn't realize was him before though I knew it, he was still considered popular. Yes, during HIStory. I remember an article said the general public likes him, the media don't, and it rang true those days.

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but didn't she get the ICON MTV honor show during the AFY era??? IF thats not a high level of popularity I don't know what is. I just remember during her AFY so many people were on fire for janet, myself included.

Yeah it's a tribute and high level of popularity, as if done on an awards show, but for an hour to two hours, and I do remember everyone feeling her, but I also feel like she was respected for her older work more after the title track, cause though STCML was a very popular song that summer, people seemed to like J LO and Alicia Keys and Destiny's Child better and talk about them more from that year, from the observations I remember. I personally think STCML is better of course.

And MJ was honored too that year with those tribute concerts for his legendary status and very popular, but it was NOT like the popularity of when Black or White came out and you couldn't get away from how big that was, 10 years before , if you remember living it. And yeah, I remember MJ's name being everywhere before the allegations early in the year though I had no attention span to sit through any celebs interviews or anything and just cared if someone played a song. So I would say he was very very popular and you knew it even if you were not following him his every move that time, but I can't make a Thriller comparison since I was too little though based on knowing the material sometime before Bad era, maybe a year or two before (and being told i would react at age 1) people of different ages knew his music and signature moves and from what I saw on tv, he was big stuff.

Now back to Janet, her big accomplishments of RN and Janet were being celebrated with Icon and people got hyped over that and it contributed to her continuing popularity. I recall VH1 and BET having Janet do interviews about each of her music videos. She didn't really do this in the 90's, she just stuck to the project she had to promote, that alone tells you a veteran artist was being promoted to appeal to a new generation and it worked. And though she was big for All For You, I don't believe it was on the same level as RN or Janet, and she seemed so underrated among the younger crowd though they were liking her more than with Velvet Rope when they weren't getting her for a bit. They seemed to judge her for her recent work and not past successes. That can be a good thing and a bad thing.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

I swore between 2001 and 2004 Janet was definitely influencing me enough that I almost wanted to find JD, sock him and take Janet for myself!

She's always been fine as hell. Marvel at this:

As fine as she was in '06, I loved the Janet that always had jeans on because it showed how curvy her ass was that she didn't really need to strip down to her undies as she did here lol

TotalAlisa said:

daPrettyman said:

Were u around for the RN era? RN was definitely her biggest album/project. That is why she rarely does a show without performing EVERY hit from that album. AFY (the song) was one of her biggest hits, but it wasn't the peak of her career.

I just think an artist peak, is not about album sales, its about hit songs and popularity. Because every artist has one album that sold the most.

I think the VR didn't sell as well as the Janet album because its was a completely side of janet people didn't see before. But people were ANXIOUS for the album it debuted number 1, and tour. So she was very popular, I just think the album suprised the public they probably wanted a Janet album part 2. But after the tour which aired LIVE on HBO. The album began to pick up.

I agree with you that it's not about album sales, but when you think of Janet's peak, to me it would have to be during the RN era. To me a "peak" is when you are at the height of your popularity. When RN came out, Janet was at the top of her game with everything. She not only had number one hits with damn-near every single, but she also had girls dressing like her.

The same could be said about the "janet" era. When the video for "TTWLG" dropped, damn-near every woman in the hood got the curly weave and showed their middrift. Look at the movie "Friday" and "Poetic Justice." Did you notice the fashion in those movies? The fashion all stemed from Janet's RN era. Big, puffy shirts, tight jeans, knee high boots, etc. Not to mention the big hoop earrings with the key. Definitely JJ.

Janet through people off with TVR because it was not your typical "pop" album that people were expecting from her. The only real "pop" track on there is "Together Again." The rest is what is now reffered to as "neo-soul" and r&b. That album (and Damita Jo) were so far ahead of their times.

All of those concert specials were merely a way to make money. She was doing sold out tours, but (someone correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think those concerts broke any records. It was all for money.

As for the MTV Icon special, that was simply a launching campaign for the AFY project. How many "Icon" specials did MTV do? Two or three?

Yeah, Janet was at her peak around RN, Janet and The Velvet Rope in so many ways. She was already an icon/legend by the time of All For You so any success was really a bonus looking back though she wasn't even 40 yet at the time of its release.

Anybody that's saying The All For You era was her peak needs to sit all the way down. How the fuck was that the apex?

musicjunky318 said:

Anybody that's saying The All For You era was her peak needs to sit all the way down. How the fuck was that the apex?

I can't even excuse age for that reasoning. Because anybody following Janet and her career periods would know she reached her peak way before that album came out.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Anybody that's saying The All For You era was her peak needs to sit all the way down. How the fuck was that the apex?

I can't even excuse age for that reasoning. Because anybody following Janet and her career periods would know she reached her peak way before that album came out.

LOL I know. It was successful sure but a representation of the big shining moment? Come on now.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

She's always been fine as hell. Marvel at this:

As fine as she was in '06, I loved the Janet that always had jeans on because it showed how curvy her ass was that she didn't really need to strip down to her undies as she did here lol

Hell, I ain't complainin'.

daPrettyman said:

TotalAlisa said:

I just think an artist peak, is not about album sales, its about hit songs and popularity. Because every artist has one album that sold the most.

I think the VR didn't sell as well as the Janet album because its was a completely side of janet people didn't see before. But people were ANXIOUS for the album it debuted number 1, and tour. So she was very popular, I just think the album suprised the public they probably wanted a Janet album part 2. But after the tour which aired LIVE on HBO. The album began to pick up.

I agree with you that it's not about album sales, but when you think of Janet's peak, to me it would have to be during the RN era. To me a "peak" is when you are at the height of your popularity. When RN came out, Janet was at the top of her game with everything. She not only had number one hits with damn-near every single, but she also had girls dressing like her.

The same could be said about the "janet" era. When the video for "TTWLG" dropped, damn-near every woman in the hood got the curly weave and showed their middrift. Look at the movie "Friday" and "Poetic Justice." Did you notice the fashion in those movies? The fashion all stemed from Janet's RN era. Big, puffy shirts, tight jeans, knee high boots, etc. Not to mention the big hoop earrings with the key. Definitely JJ.

Janet through people off with TVR because it was not your typical "pop" album that people were expecting from her. The only real "pop" track on there is "Together Again." The rest is what is now reffered to as "neo-soul" and r&b. That album (and Damita Jo) were so far ahead of their times.

All of those concert specials were merely a way to make money. She was doing sold out tours, but (someone correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think those concerts broke any records. It was all for money.

As for the MTV Icon special, that was simply a launching campaign for the AFY project. How many "Icon" specials did MTV do? Two or three?

Exactly. Janet was very deserving of the tribute, but it was obviously done to launch All For You and re-introduce a younger generation to Janet, as she was the one who inspired the acts of that time. But I also was wondering back then why she got it first and not Michael, Madonna or Prince, so that tells you it was for marketing. I also remember hearing a rumor that either Mike or Madonna were asked first, can't remember....

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Timmy84 said:

Yeah, Janet was at her peak around RN, Janet and The Velvet Rope in so many ways. She was already an icon/legend by the time of All For You so any success was really a bonus looking back though she wasn't even 40 yet at the time of its release.

Exactly. Though I like her music after All For You, for the underrated stuff, sometimes I wish she just made one more excellent album and just focused on acting after the superbowl. Not to say she shouldn't have continued, but I hate people not giving her credit and saying she flops now or not promoting her properly. I'm cool with her retiring from music though I would really, really miss her. I want to see more movies.

Although, I also feel that if she was promoted better by Virgin, she could have had continued popularity like the janet. album, it was all there,but someone didn't play their cards right. Janet wanted to release Trust a Try knowing it would be huge, and people who actually know the song love it, but they didn't release it. Cancelling Come On Get Up was wrong, she would have easily had her 11th #1 in 2002 with it, like the All For You of 2002. The singles should have been:

All For You

STCML

Trust a Try

Come On Get Up

Feels So Right

although I liked Son of a Gun, it was not a wise choice

alphastreet said:

daPrettyman said:

I agree with you that it's not about album sales, but when you think of Janet's peak, to me it would have to be during the RN era. To me a "peak" is when you are at the height of your popularity. When RN came out, Janet was at the top of her game with everything. She not only had number one hits with damn-near every single, but she also had girls dressing like her.

The same could be said about the "janet" era. When the video for "TTWLG" dropped, damn-near every woman in the hood got the curly weave and showed their middrift. Look at the movie "Friday" and "Poetic Justice." Did you notice the fashion in those movies? The fashion all stemed from Janet's RN era. Big, puffy shirts, tight jeans, knee high boots, etc. Not to mention the big hoop earrings with the key. Definitely JJ.

Janet through people off with TVR because it was not your typical "pop" album that people were expecting from her. The only real "pop" track on there is "Together Again." The rest is what is now reffered to as "neo-soul" and r&b. That album (and Damita Jo) were so far ahead of their times.

All of those concert specials were merely a way to make money. She was doing sold out tours, but (someone correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think those concerts broke any records. It was all for money.

As for the MTV Icon special, that was simply a launching campaign for the AFY project. How many "Icon" specials did MTV do? Two or three?

Exactly. Janet was very deserving of the tribute, but it was obviously done to launch All For You and re-introduce a younger generation to Janet, as she was the one who inspired the acts of that time. But I also was wondering back then why she got it first and not Michael, Madonna or Prince, so that tells you it was for marketing. I also remember hearing a rumor that either Mike or Madonna were asked first, can't remember....

[Edited 9/22/11 15:31pm]

Some guy by the name of trent who is a pop culture fanatic said Mtv offered Madonna The MTV icon special first around the time the music album was coming out but she turned it down then MTV offered it to Janet, Madonna turned down another award that was later given to Mariah Carey

alphastreet said:

Although, I also feel that if she was promoted better by Virgin, she could have had continued popularity like the janet. album, it was all there,but someone didn't play their cards right. Janet wanted to release Trust a Try knowing it would be huge, and people who actually know the song love it, but they didn't release it. Cancelling Come On Get Up was wrong, she would have easily had her 11th #1 in 2002 with it, like the All For You of 2002. The singles should have been:

All For You

STCML

Trust a Try

Come On Get Up

Feels So Right

although I liked Son of a Gun, it was not a wise choice

1000% agree. For some reason, I think Janet wanted to release that one. Maybe it was to help re-introduce a younger generation to Carly Simon, I don't know. Maybe it was Virgin who called that shot? IDK

My take:

Control--Launched Janet to star-status and finally separated her from her famous musical family. The world was beginning to take notice.

Rhythm Nation and janet.--The APEX of her power as a pop icon. These albums solidified her as one of the "big ones" in music and ingrained her in pop culture. These years were definitely her peak. She was selling millions. Her videos were legendary. Her concerts were huge. Women everywhere wanted the straight, black RN-era hair, and later the curly bronze-colored curls of the janet.-era. Fans all over the world were a part of the Rhythm Nation. She was tieing and exceeding records with Bruce Springsteen and Michael Jackson. She signed the biggest record deals ever. In 1993, she dropped her surname, because the world simply knew that she was Janet.

The Velvet Rope--Not as big a seller as her previous two albums, but still a multi-platinum outing, and her most critically-heralded album to date. Her concerts were still huge, and some of her most artistic videos came out of this era.

All For You--By now, her legendary status was long-cemented. Her biggest first-week numbers to date. More hits, videos and awards, including the MTV ICON award. Not her peak, but just a continuation of an astonishingly successful career.

SEANMAN said:

My take:

Control--Launched Janet to star-status and finally separated her from her famous musical family. The world was beginning to take notice.

Rhythm Nation and janet.--The APEX of her power as a pop icon. These albums solidified her as one of the "big ones" in music and ingrained her in pop culture. These years were definitely her peak. She was selling millions. Her videos were legendary. Her concerts were huge. Women everywhere wanted the straight, black RN-era hair, and later the curly bronze-colored curls of the janet.-era. Fans all over the world were a part of the Rhythm Nation. She was tieing and exceeding records with Bruce Springsteen and Michael Jackson. She signed the biggest record deals ever. In 1993, she dropped her surname, because the world simply knew that she was Janet.

The Velvet Rope--Not as big a seller as her previous two albums, but still a multi-platinum outing, and her most critically-heralded album to date. Her concerts were still huge, and some of her most artistic videos came out of this era.

All For You--By now, her legendary status was long-cemented. Her biggest first-week numbers to date. More hits, videos and awards, including the MTV ICON award. Not her peak, but just a continuation of an astonishingly successful career.

I LOVE THISSSS.

Do Beyonce.

Talking about worldwide, Janet was big in the UK (though surprisenly no no.1 single), but she wasn't huge like in America. People pretty much lost interest in UK after "All for you".

Now comparing that to Beyonce, Beyonce in the UK has made a bigger impact in my opinion.

musicjunky318 said:

SEANMAN said:

My take:

Control--Launched Janet to star-status and finally separated her from her famous musical family. The world was beginning to take notice.

Rhythm Nation and janet.--The APEX of her power as a pop icon. These albums solidified her as one of the "big ones" in music and ingrained her in pop culture. These years were definitely her peak. She was selling millions. Her videos were legendary. Her concerts were huge. Women everywhere wanted the straight, black RN-era hair, and later the curly bronze-colored curls of the janet.-era. Fans all over the world were a part of the Rhythm Nation. She was tieing and exceeding records with Bruce Springsteen and Michael Jackson. She signed the biggest record deals ever. In 1993, she dropped her surname, because the world simply knew that she was Janet.

The Velvet Rope--Not as big a seller as her previous two albums, but still a multi-platinum outing, and her most critically-heralded album to date. Her concerts were still huge, and some of her most artistic videos came out of this era.

All For You--By now, her legendary status was long-cemented. Her biggest first-week numbers to date. More hits, videos and awards, including the MTV ICON award. Not her peak, but just a continuation of an astonishingly successful career.

I LOVE THISSSS.

Do Beyonce.

LOL I'm not a Beyonce-head like I'm a Janet-head, so I'll have to do a little research...

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Anybody that's saying The All For You era was her peak needs to sit all the way down. How the fuck was that the apex?

I can't even excuse age for that reasoning. Because anybody following Janet and her career periods would know she reached her peak way before that album came out.

I consider Seanman the final authority on this question.

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And if you don't mind I think I'll do Bey.

Dangerously In Love

The album that proved what alot of people already knew, Beyonce was a star. Built in with huge hits and the modern classic "Crazy In Love", Beyonce was certainly everywhere you looked.

B'Day

This album in my opinion was key to Beyonce's continued success. Without a solid hit the album flew out the gates with upwards of 500,000 opening sales week. The album's only huge success "Irreplaceable" which managed to become her second signature tune. Despite having only one huge hit, the album was explosive in urban markets. This album solidified her appeal to black audiences. She was starring in the Christmas smash Dreamgirls and her high profile romance with Jay-Z was headed for the altar. Easily her peak.

I am... Sasha Fierce

Her most pop friendly album to date, maybe she wanted more singles to stick than her last effort. The identity gimmick and singles worked, the album was a huge seller and the "Single ladies" video may serve as her legacy some day.

4

This album is fucking amazing. Don't talk to me if you think otherwise.

RKJCNE said:

And if you don't mind I think I'll do Bey.

Dangerously In Love

The album that proved what alot of people already knew, Beyonce was a star. Built in with huge hits and the modern classic "Crazy In Love", Beyonce was certainly everywhere you looked.

B'Day

This album in my opinion was key to Beyonce's continued success. Without a solid hit the album flew out the gates with upwards of 500,000 opening sales week. The album's only huge success "Irreplaceable" which managed to become her second signature tune. Despite having only one huge hit, the album was explosive in urban markets. This album solidified her appeal to black audiences. She was starring in the Christmas smash Dreamgirls and her high profile romance with Jay-Z was headed for the altar. Easily her peak.

I am... Sasha Fierce

Her most pop friendly album to date, maybe she wanted more singles to stick than her last effort. The identity gimmick and singles worked, the album was a huge seller and the "Single ladies" video may serve as her legacy some day.

4

This album is fucking amazing. Don't talk to me if you think otherwise.

I agree that it is a pop album, but the plan for this album was to release two singles at a time. One pop and one dance/r&b. "If I Were A Boy" and "Single Ladies" were released very close to each other, but the promotion didn't work. "If I Were A Boy" didn't stimulate album sales like it was expected to do, but the "Single Ladies" video took off and became a phenomenon thanks to the youtube remakes.

SEANMAN said:

JANET, of course. Why is this even a question ? At her peak (RN, janet.), Janet was setting records that matched and exceeded Bruce Springsteen and her brother Michael (two of the biggest artists to come out of the '80s). She achieved several "firsts" for female artists that, in truth, began with Control and kept going through to the early 2000s. She was signing record deals bigger than any artist had ever signed before her. She was courted by the likes of Virgin mogul Richard Branson. She had filmakers writing scripts with her in mind (John Singleton wrote "Poetic Justice" with Janet specifially in mind for the lead). She was setting trends with her iconic music videos--videos that are still being copied 20-plus years later. She was racking up hit after hit, and without the benefit of being in a group, Itunes, YouTube, Twitter, etc. And she never had that trying-too-hard-I'm-gonna-be-a-legend-if-it-kills-me aura about her, either. Her status just came because she was (and still is) Janet.

It's too early to tell, but, IMO, Beyonce hasn't released a video yet to match the artistic merit and legendary status of "The Pleasure Principle", "Rhythm Nation", "If", "Nasty", "Alright", "Love Will Never Do" (Without You)", "Got 'til It's Gone", etc ("Single Ladies", I'm lookin' at you...)

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totally agree!

xperience319 said:

it took me a minute to figure out who the second photo was i'd say Janet. Her peak was "Janet/Thats the way love goes" imo

right. After janet, I think she got over saturated with MTV/VH1 and people started losing interest. In other words, people didn't have to seek her out because she was oversaturated. Then instead of seeking her out... people actually stop listening.

This happens to all muscial stars. It just happens to some quicker than others. I honestly think it happened to Beyonce a lot faster.

The whole "I want to be a legend/icon" attitude made people tire of her more quickly. Yes she has a core fan base... all musical stars does... but the casual fan who pick you up when you're hot and drop you when you are not is how you can measure someone's peak.

Beyonce gets more attention for her private life and created drama/celebrity news than for her music/concerts/ videos.

IMHO.

Also, janet had acting jobs because she went out and auditioned and won the roles outright or the part was created with janet in mind... and she (or her father) was not executive producer of the project.

I can only think of two movie Beyonce was in where she was not the owner of the rights, orhcestrated the project solely as an opportunity to get an award or the executive producer of the project. One of the movies she was the sole star... and the project was cashing in on her celebrity.

Janet was in Poetic Justice a role written just for her by an INDEPENDENT film maker... She was in Eddie Murphy movies (EM was the star, and the movie did not need Janet jackson to be made... JJ was just part of an ensemble.) For Colored girls... she was part of a strong and successful teams... she did not buy the movie rights and then create her own opportunity to angle for an oscar.

I'm not saying Beyonce is wrong for doing these things... it is just to me her naked ambition is a turn off. I would rather she do a great job in a bit part then a sad job on a part that she bought and paid for. Cadillac Man was a great example of a good part for Beyonce and I thought she did her best. Dream girls was blind ambition and Jhud showed beyonce up at her own damn party.

Janet hasn't had those moments.. she just had moments of brillance in video and dance creation, fashion creation.

Not a janet stan.... I only own her greatest hits CD, but I absolutely loved DECADES of her worked, loved her videos, her dancing.... to me she is THE BEST non professional female dancing singer.. No one touches her. And it isn't stripper moves... she can and does dance with professionally trained dancers and holds her own.

i love her different looks, from the black baggy pants and boxy blazers looks of control, to the soft and natural look for That's the way, to the dominatrix look for velvet rope. And these looks aren't to look like Barbie... they are an expression and reflection of where she is creatively...

CREATIVENESS... one of them is lacking that.

Sorry.

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prodigalfan said:

xperience319 said:

it took me a minute to figure out who the second photo was i'd say Janet. Her peak was "Janet/Thats the way love goes" imo

right. After janet, I think she got over saturated with MTV/VH1 and people started losing interest. In other words, people didn't have to seek her out because she was oversaturated. Then instead of seeking her out... people actually stop listening.

This happens to all muscial stars. It just happens to some quicker than others. I honestly think it happened to Beyonce a lot faster.

The whole "I want to be a legend/icon" attitude made people tire of her more quickly. Yes she has a core fan base... all musical stars does... but the casual fan who pick you up when you're hot and drop you when you are not is how you can measure someone's peak.

Beyonce gets more attention for her private life and created drama/celebrity news than for her music/concerts/ videos.

IMHO.

Also, janet had acting jobs because she went out and auditioned and won the roles outright or the part was created with janet in mind... and she (or her father) was not executive producer of the project.

I can only think of two movie Beyonce was in where she was not the owner of the rights, orhcestrated the project solely as an opportunity to get an award or the executive producer of the project. One of the movies she was the sole star... and the project was cashing in on her celebrity.

Janet was in Poetic Justice a role written just for her by an INDEPENDENT film maker... She was in Eddie Murphy movies (EM was the star, and the movie did not need Janet jackson to be made... JJ was just part of an ensemble.) For Colored girls... she was part of a strong and successful teams... she did not buy the movie rights and then create her own opportunity to angle for an oscar.

I'm not saying Beyonce is wrong for doing these things... it is just to me her naked ambition is a turn off. I would rather she do a great job in a bit part then a sad job on a part that she bought and paid for. Cadillac Man was a great example of a good part for Beyonce and I thought she did her best. Dream girls was blind ambition and Jhud showed beyonce up at her own damn party.

Janet hasn't had those moments.. she just had moments of brillance in video and dance creation, fashion creation.

Not a janet stan.... I only own her greatest hits CD, but I absolutely loved DECADES of her worked, loved her videos, her dancing.... to me she is THE BEST non professional female dancing singer.. No one touches her. And it isn't stripper moves... she can and does dance with professionally trained dancers and holds her own.

i love her different looks, from the black baggy pants and boxy blazers looks of control, to the soft and natural look for That's the way, to the dominatrix look for velvet rope. And these looks aren't to look like Barbie... they are an expression and reflection of where she is creatively...

CREATIVENESS... one of them is lacking that.

Sorry.

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I think this is the best post in this thread by far....

I think the reason why Beyonce lacks creativity is because she doesnt know how to and she isnt a REAL artist. She is just a manufactured singer that has been use to doing the same things and doesnt want to change up in fear of backlash and losing her "it girl" status. She has been formulated and has been doing the same things since she was with DC. This is why to me she is just a black version of Brittany Spears except she can sing but me personally I feel Brittany Spears in her prime was a much better dancer than her.

Shes just a pretty face, wears pretty dresses, makes catchy music and has a clean image. I dont see anything special about that nore is that original or creative. I dont know I just view her as a robot. She doesnt seem sincere at all. All I get is she wants to be a legend and achieve alot of awards but lacks originality and creativity. She also seems to care more about looking sexy that showing personality in her wardrobe. Like seriously, the blonde hair, mermaid dresses and bathing suits ... its very old and boring. I wouldnt mine her as much if she didnt take herself so seriously like she is Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder or something

What she fails to understand is popularity and quantity doesnt mean anything if the quality of the production is bland, trendy and boring. She thinks being overexposed is what makes you a legend when really it is the music and creativity. I hope that she understands that because if not she is her own fault to her own demise which has already showed itself these past 2 years. While I never understand her popularity, she peaked way to early to just be 30 and her overexposure, robotic personality and lackluster music is the result of that.

Looks and booty shaking cant take you but so far especially if that is all you are doing.. its boring.

[Edited 9/23/11 16:50pm]