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Reply #150 posted 05/25/11 12:46am

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i hate spiders but i love this photo

For more than 40 years, Greg Gorman has taken photos of the world's most interesting people. More than 125 of them are showcased In Greg Gorman: A Distinct Vision 1970-2010, on display at the Decorative Center Houston through June 3. Recently, the Los Angeles-based photographer picked out some of his favorite images in the exhibit and talked about how they came about.

Michael Jackson, 1987

"Michael was a perfectionist beyond your wildest imagination. Every time we would shoot, he would call me and we'd have a two-hour conversation to discuss what it was we were going to do and how we were going to go about it. He had pet tarantulas; they actually shed their skin. This is the casing of the tarantula that he brought with him.

"He never traveled with a big entourage. He was very genuine and really loved photography. I dearly miss him. He was a tragic individual but an amazing human being."

I hate that tragic individual stuff, the only tragic thing about michael is his death.

"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #151 posted 05/25/11 3:31am

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"He never traveled with a big entourage. He was very genuine and really loved photography. I dearly miss him. He was a tragic individual but an amazing human being."

Can someone please explain what a "tragic individual" means?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #152 posted 05/25/11 6:02am

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dag said:

mimi07 said:

"He never traveled with a big entourage. He was very genuine and really loved photography. I dearly miss him. He was a tragic individual but an amazing human being."

Can someone please explain what a "tragic individual" means?

My interpretation of "tragic individual" would be a person who suffered from something in a negative way but doesn't necessarily mean it was that persons fault. I wouldn't make this quote out to be something negative towards Michael Jackson, especially when followed by an "amazing human being". Here's another way of looking at it: It was tragic that Michael Jackson never experienced a normal childhood. Therefore, you could say Michael Jackson was a tragic individual.

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Reply #153 posted 05/25/11 6:46am

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seeingvoices12 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

They're posted here because this is a Michael Jackson thread and those are his children confused Just because you dont care to look at them doesnt mean that others feel the same way. Believe it or not some of us like seeing pics of them out and about having fun and enjoying themselves. People like seeing them interact with other kids their age. They are living their life and posting a few pics of them every now and then isnt hurting them in any way. Its not like these are pics of them doing private or embarrasing stuff. rolleyes

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and with all what you said, there is still NO point to post pics of his children .............

Excuse me but are you the owner of this thread? I think not. Therefore you have no right to tell me or anybody here what to post and what not to post. If I want to post some pics of the children I will do just that and you have the ability to scroll past them if you dont wanna look. And another thing, stop with the stupid striking of people's posts, it doesnt mean anything.

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Reply #154 posted 05/25/11 7:06am

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Can someone please explain what a "tragic individual" means?

trag·ic/ˈtrajik/Adjective

1. Causing or characterized by extreme distress or sorrow.

2. Suffering extreme distress or sorrow.
Now if we couple that with indivdual we can come to the conclusion that he suffered a lot. Like the poster said, that one element was his tragic childhood and, also, a lot of the things that happened to him. So, he was a great person, but he was one that suffered greatly.
I always took the fact that he was the most famous person in the world and experienced a lot of success, but for all that still not being able to have friends or people he can trust, have friends, talking to mannequins, only being able to find solace in animals and children, being seen and treated as an outcast of society, and etc. seemed really ironic to me. In some ways I think that he's viewed the same as Marilyn Monroe, another tragic figure. A victim.
Just my opinion though, so I could be wrong.

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Reply #155 posted 05/25/11 8:06am

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Interview with Patrick A...ertainment

The following is the transcript of my interview, conducted last year (2010), with Patrick Allocco, President of AllGood Entertainment.
The conversation helped me understand the entrance of Leonard Rowe and Frank Dileo into Michael’s life as managers. It also depicted why Randy Phillips of AEG had an urgent need to control Michael Jackson in his favor.
In his recent months, Michael Jackson was pulled by 2 camps
pursuing their own business agenda, blind to Michael's declining health

- Why did you go to Frank Dileo, did you think he was Michael's manager?

I met Joe at New Orleans Casino in Las Vegas. Joe told me that Michael was closely working with Frank Dileo and that Frank was managing his business affairs. That’s how the idea came about, it was Joe that referred us to Frank Dileo
- Your proposal was a one-day live performance by Jackson siblings in Texas. You were going to film the event for Internet pay-per-view, correct?

That is correct. It was going to be at Cowboy Stadium, in Arlington, Texas.
- The binder agreement is in Frank Dileo Company letterhead and it states “if you agree with the terms of this contract, sign and return it”. It appears to me as if the agreement was prepared by Frank Dileo Company and NOT AllGood Entertainment. Who prepared this binder agreement?

We actually had gone to Nashville, myself, Mark Lamicka, Terry Harvey, his business associate Jimmy Miguel and Ladd Biro. We met with Frank Dileo at his office. The terms were negotiated right there.
- In Raffles Van Exel interview, Frank Dileo makes it sound as if he wasn’t that involved with this deal, so he was very much involved?

The binder speaks for itself. Who would do that? It’s like me promising to deliver to you Jay Z when I have no authority to do so.
- Was the Jackson Family supportive of the AllGood proposal?

Oh yes, Joe was on board from the beginning, Katherine was too. I met Katherine with Leonard Rowe on February 3,2009 at a restaurant in Encino. I went through with her my vision for the show. The biggest thing with Joe and Katherine was that Michael couldn’t do a lot of shows…Michael did not want to do a lot of shows, that is why our deal was very suitable, 1 day of show with substantial amount of money.
- You saw Michael, how did he look?

He was emaciated. He wasn’t…as Randy Phillips or Frank Dileo claim.
He wasn’t healthy.
- Why didn’t you call Dileo on his lie by letting TMZ know that Dileo team were involved in this fake tribute? (re: Tribute Scam)

I have a very good contact, (name redacted) at TMZ. I did call (name redacted) and sent her documents but they were hesitant to publicize. Frank Dileo’s attorney called TMZ and left a voice message that Dileo wasn’t involved in the tribute, that he didn’t know these people so TMZ added an update.
- How did you find out about the fundraising efforts for the tribute?

The fundraising email was actually sent to Ladd Biro who was a partner in Jackson Family Show Project. I believe Katherine Susmeier of Starlink didn’t know that Ladd Biro was working with us, she sent the fundraising email to him and he forwarded it to me.
- What was Michael’s reaction when he found out that Frank Dileo committed to this deal with you without his consent?

That is a really good question…. We really didn’t get into with Michael the binder with Frank Dileo. We were focused on the getting the deal done.
-Dileo claims he was Michael’s manager. Have you seen them together?

Aside from the photographs in his office, I never saw Dileo and Michael together.
-Do you feel Michael hired Frank Dileo as his manager?

In my opinion, Randy Phillips hired Frank Dileo. Randy Phillips wasn’t able to control Michael the way he wanted to and Randy Phillips was most definitely angry at us involving Leonard Rowe in Michael’s life. Randy is the one who hired Frank Dileo.
- I think so too. In the Raffles interview, Dileo said Randy Phillips, Michael and himself had a conference call during which Michael allegedly hired Dileo as his manager. Dileo stated that when he came to LA, he met with Randy Phillips (@5:27), NOT with Michael who allegedly hired him.

- Exactly. I know for a fact that Randy had trouble dealing with Michael. I know this from Dr Tohme, I know this from Dennis Hawk (Tohme’s attorney). Randy Phillips needed a Frank Dileo to control Michael Jackson. Think about it, if you are the CEO of AEG, why couldn’t you deal directly with Michael?
- How did Randy Phillips know that Frank Dileo was for sale?

Don’t forget, Randy Phillips knew of our deal and we had Frank Dileo. There were 2 people in the world that could have filled, at the time, the management position for Michael Jackson, Frank Dileo and Leonard Rowe. And who had BOTH of them under contract? AllGood Entertainment. We had a non-compete with Frank Dileo AND we had a non-compete with Leonard Rowe. Randy Phillips had to go around us, he was obsessed with controlling Michael.
- The last email communication between you and Dileo’s camp was on February 20 in which you stated that you talked to Bert (Dileo accountant) who told you that Dileo wouldn’t move forward without receiving $150,000. At this point, you failed to come up with the money by the deadline. Did Dileo’s camp state that the deal was off or did they indicate that they would be willing to extend the deadline for you to come up with the money?

I met with Frank on January 15, I believe….it was the same day the plane landed on Hudson River. Frank told me that he wouldn’t move forward without the non-refundable $150,000 commission. But we found out about the Mark Lamicka scam. Lamicka was one of the signers in our non-disclosure agreement and he is the guy we dealt with in regards to our agreement. We were aware of the federal lawsuit, Lamicka scammed a promoter. So we grew uncomfortable and offered to put the monies in a trust account.

So no, Dileo or Lamicka never stopped working for us but the problem was they weren’t producing results so I got on the plane in the first week of February and worked directly with Katherine and Leonard Rowe. But no, Dileo never indicated to us that he wasn’t working with us. Generally, you send a written notice or file a breach of contract, indicating that “I am no longer working for you”, Dileo never did that. Personally, I thought Dileo was a fraud and I wanted to get to Michael myself and that’s what I did.
Don’t forget Dileo was telling us the London Shows were never gonna happen, and that Michael didn’t have a deal with AEG…these were the stories Dileo told us and we were skeptical about it. One of my insiders got a call from a guy in AEG that they got a deal imminent to be signed with Michael, this was at the end of January so this told me that Frank Dileo was a fraud. That’s why I retained Leonard Rowe for $15,000 and we met with Katherine and later with Michael. I told Katherine “Dileo asked for $150,000 non-refundable just to be able to talk to your son”.
- Yes, in an interview, Dileo says “I am just someone who could get Michael on the phone” and I am thinking “Why didn’t you just Michael on the phone so you wouldn’t need $150,000 expense money”

Right. And he said that Michael didn’t want to do our Show. Michael told me, Katherine and Leonard Rowe that he wanted to do our show…..uh…not wanted to but he was going to do our show. And he said so to his father in April. This was the first time his father had seen Michael in over 3 years. His father said “let me say my peace” and he explained to Michael that he should trust Leonard Rowe oversee his business affairs.
- Was Katherine Jackson supportive of the O2 Tour?

I know that she was very concerned that Michael physically could not do it. In terms of supportive, I am sure Katherine was supportive of the money that Michael would make but I know that she was concerned that Michael couldn’t do the shows. She had that conversation with me and she he had that conversation with Leonard Rowe.
- Before you sent the cease & desist letter to AEG, did you communicate with Dileo’s camp one last time?

I didn’t have to because around March 26, Michael asked Leonard Rowe to talk with Frank Dileo. I don’t even know to this day what transpired in that meeting, I really don’t. I don’t even know what the purpose of the meeting was you have to ask Leonard about it. I know that Michael wanted the two of them to meet. There was always conversations with either Terry Harvey who spoke with Dileo a number of times, with Leonard Rowe who spoke with Dileo or Katherine Jackson who spoke with Dileo. And there was always communication. At that point, I didn’t need to because was directly talking with Michael, with Dr Thome, with Leonard Rowe. To me, Dileo was fraud, a guy who violated my non-compete by going to work with AEG, I had no use for Dileo at that point.
- Do you know when Tohme was fired?

It was around the time….Frank Dileo claimed he was the manager; Tohme claimed he was the manager and If you remember there was a news report, “Will the Real Michael Ja...e stand up”. It was around that time. It was after the Julien Court. Michael was sooo upset that Tohme auctioned his stuff without his consent. I remember Michael saying “I am never talking to him again” and he stopped taking his calls.
- He said that to you?

No he said that to Leonard Rowe, I was in the room, we were at the hotel, Sportmans Lodge. Michael was very upset and we were trying to stop the auction. Leonard and I was going to meet with Joe at the court to stop the auction but Tohme worked out a deal with the auction House. That was the point Michael stopped all contact with Dr Tohme....

[Edited 5/25/11 8:08am]

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Reply #156 posted 05/25/11 8:45am

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Thanks for your explanations of "tragic individual", guys.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #157 posted 05/25/11 3:50pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

seeingvoices12 said:

and with all what you said, there is still NO point to post pics of his children .............

Excuse me but are you the owner of this thread? I think not. Therefore you have no right to tell me or anybody here what to post and what not to post. If I want to post some pics of the children I will do just that and you have the ability to scroll past them if you dont wanna look. And another thing, stop with the stupid striking of people's posts, it doesnt mean anything.

If you respected Michael and his wish before he died regarding his children , you wouldn't post a pic of his children , This is a MICHAEL JACKSON thread , NOT Michael's children thread ....MJ thread..striking posts means what you said is really hogwash...

You can post whatever and whenever you want , and I'm not the owner of anything , but when I see something stupid I have to point it out , the media following the kids whenever they are spotted , they still need some privacy , real music lovers on here could careless about the man's children, Posting their pics on here doesn't add any value to the thread really , keep it about music and leave the personal side alone..........

MICHAEL JACKSON
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Reply #158 posted 05/25/11 4:09pm

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Excuse me but are you the owner of this thread? I think not. Therefore you have no right to tell me or anybody here what to post and what not to post. If I want to post some pics of the children I will do just that and you have the ability to scroll past them if you dont wanna look.

Honestly, I don't get what the big deal is because it's not like pics of the kids are constantly posted in this thread and it's not like these were those webcam pics we keep hearing about, but I hate unneccessary drama, so I won't post any in here again. No biggie.

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Reply #159 posted 05/25/11 4:14pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Excuse me but are you the owner of this thread? I think not. Therefore you have no right to tell me or anybody here what to post and what not to post. If I want to post some pics of the children I will do just that and you have the ability to scroll past them if you dont wanna look. And another thing, stop with the stupid striking of people's posts, it doesnt mean anything.

If you respected Michael and his wish before he died regarding his children , you wouldn't post a pic of his children , This is a MICHAEL JACKSON thread , NOT Michael's children thread ....MJ thread..striking posts means what you said is really hogwash...

You can post whatever and whenever you want , and I'm not the owner of anything , but when I see something stupid I have to point it out , the media following the kids whenever they are spotted , they still need some privacy , real music lovers on here could careless about the man's children, Posting their pics on here doesn't add any value to the thread really , keep it about music and leave the personal side alone..........

I don't go to any other MJ website...I don't ever look up for his childrens photos or articles..ever...So personally it's nice to see their photos once in a while on this thread. I get what you're saying but seeing pictures of Michael's children having fun and looking healthy and happy makes me smile...

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Reply #160 posted 05/25/11 4:17pm

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mookie said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Excuse me but are you the owner of this thread? I think not. Therefore you have no right to tell me or anybody here what to post and what not to post. If I want to post some pics of the children I will do just that and you have the ability to scroll past them if you dont wanna look.

Honestly, I don't get what the big deal is because it's not like pics of the kids are constantly posted in this thread and it's not like these were those webcam pics we keep hearing about, but I hate unneccessary drama, so I won't post any in here again. No biggie.

What? Leaving? Fuck that. Don't let one's remarks stop you from coming in here. Just avoid it and keep it moving. If you wanna post the pictures, I'm cool with it. lol Really I am. I can see both sides but yeah.

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Reply #161 posted 05/25/11 4:24pm

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Timmy84 said:

mookie said:

Honestly, I don't get what the big deal is because it's not like pics of the kids are constantly posted in this thread and it's not like these were those webcam pics we keep hearing about, but I hate unneccessary drama, so I won't post any in here again. No biggie.

What? Leaving? Fuck that. Don't let one's remarks stop you from coming in here. Just avoid it and keep it moving. If you wanna post the pictures, I'm cool with it. lol Really I am. I can see both sides but yeah.

LOL, It's not like I'm not letting anyone post pics of them here , you know, I don't have the power to do that and never will , members can do whatever they want, It's a point I wanted to make...some fans can take it or leave....

I'm sorry if I offended anyone , especially Naughtykitty hug

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Reply #162 posted 05/25/11 4:28pm

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mookie said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Excuse me but are you the owner of this thread? I think not. Therefore you have no right to tell me or anybody here what to post and what not to post. If I want to post some pics of the children I will do just that and you have the ability to scroll past them if you dont wanna look.

Honestly, I don't get what the big deal is because it's not like pics of the kids are constantly posted in this thread and it's not like these were those webcam pics we keep hearing about, but I hate unneccessary drama, so I won't post any in here again. No biggie.

LOL, again, at the end , you can do whatever you want, I'm not the owner of the thread , and I will not constantly critize , It's a point I want to make

MICHAEL JACKSON
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Reply #163 posted 05/25/11 4:31pm

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From all the leaks we heard , This is the most I'm interested about ....MJ's version would be amazing I'm sure...

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Reply #164 posted 05/25/11 6:37pm

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Since it's been a big topic for me for awhile (I've discussed this with NMuzak and Militant) but what do you guys think of bootlegs and trading? It seems Michael Jackson fans follow a different set of rules.

While I've seen Prince and Stevie Wonder fans being very generous, Michael fans have been pretty big on hoarding material. People want credit for leaking something or refuse to share footage or songs with other fans

Trading seems nonexistant. I'm sure some of ya'll remember the MJ DVD online stores disbelief

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #165 posted 05/25/11 6:39pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Since it's been a big topic for me for awhile (I've discussed this with NMuzak and Militant) but what do you guys think of bootlegs and trading? It seems Michael Jackson fans follow a different set of rules.

While I've seen Prince and Stevie Wonder fans being very generous, Michael fans have been pretty big on hoarding material. People want credit for leaking something or refuse to share footage or songs with other fans

Trading seems nonexistant. I'm sure some of ya'll remember the MJ DVD online stores disbelief

They're cocky and arrogant. Least with Prince fans they can share if you asked them. With Michael, it's "because I found it first so you can't have it." rolleyes Fuck 'em lol

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Reply #166 posted 05/25/11 7:27pm

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bboy87 said:

Since it's been a big topic for me for awhile (I've discussed this with NMuzak and Militant) but what do you guys think of bootlegs and trading? It seems Michael Jackson fans follow a different set of rules.

While I've seen Prince and Stevie Wonder fans being very generous, Michael fans have been pretty big on hoarding material. People want credit for leaking something or refuse to share footage or songs with other fans

Trading seems nonexistant. I'm sure some of ya'll remember the MJ DVD online stores disbelief

It does seem like MJ fans are more keen on being known for having something, than for sharing something. It's like people are still trying to prove they are bigger fans by having something you don't or having something you haven't heard - but hey, if you want to hear it - gimme money.

Some fans might want to protect Michael's legacy by not releasing or sharing songs if they aren't great (if I had Carousel I'd probably accidently erase it razz) but I doubt this - maybe more since he died but still...

It seems to be all about BEING the one with the track and being known in the fan community for having it - like they are one step closer to MJ as a result.

If i had stuff I would willingly share it - especially with other fans who I respect.

That said who wants the Buffalo Bill/I am the Loser/Men in Black/Price of Fame megamix I have?

[Edited 5/25/11 19:35pm]

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Reply #167 posted 05/25/11 8:23pm

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Question: Is this Michael?

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Answer: No, it's not. It's his nephew Austin. eek .... love

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Reply #168 posted 05/25/11 9:18pm

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Swa said:

bboy87 said:

Since it's been a big topic for me for awhile (I've discussed this with NMuzak and Militant) but what do you guys think of bootlegs and trading? It seems Michael Jackson fans follow a different set of rules.

While I've seen Prince and Stevie Wonder fans being very generous, Michael fans have been pretty big on hoarding material. People want credit for leaking something or refuse to share footage or songs with other fans

Trading seems nonexistant. I'm sure some of ya'll remember the MJ DVD online stores disbelief

It does seem like MJ fans are more keen on being known for having something, than for sharing something. It's like people are still trying to prove they are bigger fans by having something you don't or having something you haven't heard - but hey, if you want to hear it - gimme money.

Some fans might want to protect Michael's legacy by not releasing or sharing songs if they aren't great (if I had Carousel I'd probably accidently erase it razz) but I doubt this - maybe more since he died but still...

It seems to be all about BEING the one with the track and being known in the fan community for having it - like they are one step closer to MJ as a result.

If i had stuff I would willingly share it - especially with other fans who I respect.

That said who wants the Buffalo Bill/I am the Loser/Men in Black/Price of Fame megamix I have?

[Edited 5/25/11 19:35pm]

I think there is a section like this with all legendary artists. Sure, the relatively common stuff will be shared freely, but the mega rare stuff will be held onto like gold. There has been extremely rare Elvis footage and recordings that have only ever been in the hands of a select few private collectors. Not even his estate or record company can get a hold of this stuff because the people with it are either asking for too much money or are simply unwilling to let it go.

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Reply #169 posted 05/25/11 9:21pm

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Swa said:

bboy87 said:

Since it's been a big topic for me for awhile (I've discussed this with NMuzak and Militant) but what do you guys think of bootlegs and trading? It seems Michael Jackson fans follow a different set of rules.

While I've seen Prince and Stevie Wonder fans being very generous, Michael fans have been pretty big on hoarding material. People want credit for leaking something or refuse to share footage or songs with other fans

Trading seems nonexistant. I'm sure some of ya'll remember the MJ DVD online stores disbelief

It does seem like MJ fans are more keen on being known for having something, than for sharing something. It's like people are still trying to prove they are bigger fans by having something you don't or having something you haven't heard - but hey, if you want to hear it - gimme money.

Some fans might want to protect Michael's legacy by not releasing or sharing songs if they aren't great (if I had Carousel I'd probably accidently erase it razz) but I doubt this - maybe more since he died but still...

It seems to be all about BEING the one with the track and being known in the fan community for having it - like they are one step closer to MJ as a result.

If i had stuff I would willingly share it - especially with other fans who I respect.

That said who wants the Buffalo Bill/I am the Loser/Men in Black/Price of Fame megamix I have?

[Edited 5/25/11 19:35pm]

eek

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Reply #170 posted 05/25/11 9:42pm

Timmy84

Swa said:

bboy87 said:

Since it's been a big topic for me for awhile (I've discussed this with NMuzak and Militant) but what do you guys think of bootlegs and trading? It seems Michael Jackson fans follow a different set of rules.

While I've seen Prince and Stevie Wonder fans being very generous, Michael fans have been pretty big on hoarding material. People want credit for leaking something or refuse to share footage or songs with other fans

Trading seems nonexistant. I'm sure some of ya'll remember the MJ DVD online stores disbelief

It does seem like MJ fans are more keen on being known for having something, than for sharing something. It's like people are still trying to prove they are bigger fans by having something you don't or having something you haven't heard - but hey, if you want to hear it - gimme money.

Some fans might want to protect Michael's legacy by not releasing or sharing songs if they aren't great (if I had Carousel I'd probably accidently erase it razz) but I doubt this - maybe more since he died but still...

It seems to be all about BEING the one with the track and being known in the fan community for having it - like they are one step closer to MJ as a result.

If i had stuff I would willingly share it - especially with other fans who I respect.

That said who wants the Buffalo Bill/I am the Loser/Men in Black/Price of Fame megamix I have?

[Edited 5/25/11 19:35pm]

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You buggin'...

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Reply #171 posted 05/25/11 10:11pm

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WildStyle said:

Swa said:

It does seem like MJ fans are more keen on being known for having something, than for sharing something. It's like people are still trying to prove they are bigger fans by having something you don't or having something you haven't heard - but hey, if you want to hear it - gimme money.

Some fans might want to protect Michael's legacy by not releasing or sharing songs if they aren't great (if I had Carousel I'd probably accidently erase it razz) but I doubt this - maybe more since he died but still...

It seems to be all about BEING the one with the track and being known in the fan community for having it - like they are one step closer to MJ as a result.

If i had stuff I would willingly share it - especially with other fans who I respect.

That said who wants the Buffalo Bill/I am the Loser/Men in Black/Price of Fame megamix I have?

[Edited 5/25/11 19:35pm]

I think there is a section like this with all legendary artists. Sure, the relatively common stuff will be shared freely, but the mega rare stuff will be held onto like gold. There has been extremely rare Elvis footage and recordings that have only ever been in the hands of a select few private collectors. Not even his estate or record company can get a hold of this stuff because the people with it are either asking for too much money or are simply unwilling to let it go.

But that's the thing with MJ collectors: All the stuff they have, the estate has, and in way better quality.

There's fans who are holding on to terrible quality live recordings. A fan was asking for about $800 for a VHS tape of the Rome concert from the Dangerous tour. This wasn't professionally shot footage, this was recorded from the side of the stadium by fan, the footage was blurred and off balanced. the audio was nearly unlistenable, and you could barely see Michael, but the fan was selling it for $800

there's a fan I know that has Tomboy and Hot Fever (the same person who had the Tokyo 88 and Rome 88 shows). Somebody was selling a DAT tape awhile back of tracks from the Bad sessions on Ebay awhile back too.

somebody bought I Am A Loser and said "I'm not going to share it with all these selfish fans"

REALLY? lol

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Reply #172 posted 05/25/11 10:28pm

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Question: Is this Michael?

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Answer: No, it's not. It's his nephew Austin. eek .... love

He looks good, but he doesn´t look like Michael to me here.

Swa - of course, I want that megamix!!!!!eek

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Reply #173 posted 05/26/11 12:00am

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^^ I know my Carousel comment would stir - and that's cool - each to their own. It's just every time I hear it I cringe, and thank goodness it wasn't included on Thriller - oh how it would have been a step backward for the album.

That said, I can appreciate others like it.

But more importantly I appreciated the gifs.



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Reply #174 posted 05/26/11 2:42am

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WildStyle said:

I think there is a section like this with all legendary artists. Sure, the relatively common stuff will be shared freely, but the mega rare stuff will be held onto like gold. There has been extremely rare Elvis footage and recordings that have only ever been in the hands of a select few private collectors. Not even his estate or record company can get a hold of this stuff because the people with it are either asking for too much money or are simply unwilling to let it go.

But that's the thing with MJ collectors: All the stuff they have, the estate has, and in way better quality.

There's fans who are holding on to terrible quality live recordings. A fan was asking for about $800 for a VHS tape of the Rome concert from the Dangerous tour. This wasn't professionally shot footage, this was recorded from the side of the stadium by fan, the footage was blurred and off balanced. the audio was nearly unlistenable, and you could barely see Michael, but the fan was selling it for $800

there's a fan I know that has Tomboy and Hot Fever (the same person who had the Tokyo 88 and Rome 88 shows). Somebody was selling a DAT tape awhile back of tracks from the Bad sessions on Ebay awhile back too.

somebody bought I Am A Loser and said "I'm not going to share it with all these selfish fans"

REALLY? lol

Oh there is is some greedy motherfuckers, no doubt! I HOPE the estate has everything, but I would think there would be quite a few little tidbits that have escaped over the years. Michael surely couldn't have kept an inventory of everything pertaining to him. Especially footage. But I have no faith in the estate anyway. Even if they do have it, they will most likely ether hold on to it because it isn't "comercially viable" or fuck it up somehow in the releasing of it. That's why I kind of prefer leaks confused

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Reply #175 posted 05/26/11 3:11am

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I still argue that all post-humous releases should be two discs - one with the album the record label wants to release (eg Michael with all the rerecorded instruments etc) and the second dis with the original demos they were working from - its ok if Michael didn't finish a bridge, etc I want to hear it how he had it at that point in time.

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Reply #176 posted 05/26/11 3:12am

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Reply #177 posted 05/26/11 3:37am

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Swa said:

^^ I know my Carousel comment would stir - and that's cool - each to their own. It's just every time I hear it I cringe, and thank goodness it wasn't included on Thriller - oh how it would have been a step backward for the album.

That said, I can appreciate others like it.

But more importantly I appreciated the gifs.



Carousel has always been a favorite of mine. It definitely shouldn't have been on Thriller, but it could've definitely been a b-side

There are some unreleased tracks that I LOVE. When I first heard Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Got The Hots, Much Too Soon, Monkey Business, and the demo to PYT......

[img:$uid]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llq1reP3PM1qf2dlx.gif[/img:$uid]

I was in a daze lol

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Reply #178 posted 05/26/11 6:56am

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It does seem like MJ fans are more keen on being known for having something, than for sharing something. It's like people are still trying to prove they are bigger fans by having something you don't or having something you haven't heard - but hey, if you want to hear it - gimme money.

Some fans might want to protect Michael's legacy by not releasing or sharing songs if they aren't great (if I had Carousel I'd probably accidently erase it razz) but I doubt this - maybe more since he died but still...

Yeah this.

That song is terrible. I can't believe someone even had the nerve to write it into existence.

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Reply #179 posted 05/26/11 7:53am

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If Carousel made Thriller, that song would have acted like a speed bump. Also lyrically, that song does not fit with the Thriller album.

Quincy Jones has often said that any other songs recorded that didn't make their albums together because simply they weren't good enough (Behind The Mask might be the only exception). When I hear outtakes like Carousel, Trouble, Sunset Driver, etc, I understand what he means when compared to what made the albums. The hope is that there are some unreleased gems in the vault that MJ never played for Quincy. Otherwise, I trust Quincy's judgement from 1978 to 1987.

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