suga10 said:

People still appreciated it though- and MJ publicity machine made it popular.

I agree with that, but, musically, it didn't break any new ground like OTW or Thriller.

daPrettyman said:

suga10 said:

People still appreciated it though- and MJ publicity machine made it popular.

I agree with that, but, musically, it didn't break any new ground like OTW or Thriller.

In terms of Michael, only OTW and Thriller can be considered music changers. Bad and Dangerous were albums that had great music but just continued the path of OTW and Thriller.

i'm gonna have to respectfully agree to dis-agree, my man... not because it's michael we're talking about either... i think 'dangerous' is the only new-jack era album i could even listen to... he made the genre actually sound decent, even if it had been done prior. that is, to me, teddy riley's best work of all times. for 'bad', very few people of that stature (besides prince) were still merging genres. HIStory was one of the few popular albums to have a strong socio-political stance on the state of corporatism, the government, etc. and invincible proved that he could rock with cats half his age. i appreciat that he was able to open his artistic mind and do these things.

perhaps i'm misinterpreting what you are saying, my brother. i guess i'm not looking at thriller and off the wall at music changers in terms of his own career. i think in terms of marketing they were, but not because of any other albums he subsequently released... but this is coming from someone who actually thinks his albums post-thriller are better, so...

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

I agree with that, but, musically, it didn't break any new ground like OTW or Thriller.

In terms of Michael, only OTW and Thriller can be considered music changers. Bad and Dangerous were albums that had great music but just continued the path of OTW and Thriller

^ Dangerous is a great album, don't get me wrong. But as far as new jack swing goes, I can't even give Michael the credit here. That goes to Bobby Brown/Guy/Teddy Riley.

Timmy84 said:

^ Dangerous is a great album, don't get me wrong. But as far as new jack swing goes, I can't even give Michael the credit here. That goes to Bobby Brown/Guy/Teddy Riley.

hee hee... yeah, see... i was never into the bobby brown albums... i only like the album version of 'every little step'. and i hate guy and keith sweat with a passion. i never liked new jack. when it was all over the radio i wanted to throw the radio across the room. new jack to me is a horrible rendition of the gap band with machines in some cases... dudes begging and saying 'this is what i'ma do to you girl, ow.' it's not creative to me.

i pretty much only liked heavy d and some mary j blige stuff, in relation to new jack and post-new jack. for me, the dangerous album is new jack perfected. what it SHOULD have been.

oh, i also love 'spread my wings' by troop. but i HATE new jack... this is when i stopped listening to the radio regularly, i think. it was EVERYWHERE. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

'just got paid' by johnny kemp was one of the first major new jack hits. i HATE that song. teddy riley ruined everything!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

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Timmy84 said:

^ Dangerous is a great album, don't get me wrong. But as far as new jack swing goes, I can't even give Michael the credit here. That goes to Bobby Brown/Guy/Teddy Riley.

There's also Kyle West & Al B. Sure!. Yeah, by the time Dangerous was released, New Jack Swing was just about dead. Mike didn't make it more popular. Mainly the only people who hype Dangerous were MJ fans (mainly in non-US countries) who weren't exposed to New Jack.

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MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Dangerous is a great album, don't get me wrong. But as far as new jack swing goes, I can't even give Michael the credit here. That goes to Bobby Brown/Guy/Teddy Riley.

There's also Kyle West & Al B. Sure!. Yeah, by the time Dangerous was released, New Jack Swing was just about dead. Mike didn't make it more popular. Mainly the only people who hype Dangerous were MJ fans (mainly in non-US countries) who weren't exposed to New Jack.

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True. But yeah and around 1991, that's when Nirvana and 'em became popular so Michael didn't stand a chance on "changing music" again as he did in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's also Kyle West & Al B. Sure!. Yeah, by the time Dangerous was released, New Jack Swing was just about dead. Mike didn't make it more popular. Mainly the only people who hype Dangerous were MJ fans (mainly in non-US countries) who weren't exposed to New Jack.

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True. But yeah and around 1991, that's when Nirvana and 'em became popular so Michael didn't stand a chance on "changing music" again as he did in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Even Boy George, Aretha Franklin, & James Ingram released New Jack songs before Mike.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

True. But yeah and around 1991, that's when Nirvana and 'em became popular so Michael didn't stand a chance on "changing music" again as he did in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Even Boy George, Aretha Franklin, & James Ingram released New Jack songs before Mike.

Yep. Boy did alright commercially (my first recollection of Boy was through his "Got My Mind on a Trip" song, BET used to play the video the year it came out) but Aretha and James BOMBED. Especially poor Aretha. Arista was really selling her low.

By the way, Aretha's "Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You" definitely needs to be named as a music changer. This album set the path for female artists in R&B/soul music.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Even Boy George, Aretha Franklin, & James Ingram released New Jack songs before Mike.

Yep. Boy did alright commercially (my first recollection of Boy was through his "Got My Mind on a Trip" song, BET used to play the video the year it came out) but Aretha and James BOMBED. Especially poor Aretha. Arista was really selling her low.

By the way, Aretha's "Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You" definitely needs to be named as a music changer. This album set the path for female artists in R&B/soul music.

The brothers also did New Jack on 2300 Jackson Street (and so did Randy on his album with The Gypsys), which came out 2 years before Dangerous. I think with James is that the balladeer type R&B/pop singing he was known for was dying out, and it was an attempt to get radio play. Old funk groups like Gap Band, Cameo, Midnight Star, and the Bar Kays were also making New Jack Swing during that time. They didn't really fare much better. When people like Celine Dion started releasing New Jack style singles, you know it was worn out.

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MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yep. Boy did alright commercially (my first recollection of Boy was through his "Got My Mind on a Trip" song, BET used to play the video the year it came out) but Aretha and James BOMBED. Especially poor Aretha. Arista was really selling her low.

By the way, Aretha's "Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You" definitely needs to be named as a music changer. This album set the path for female artists in R&B/soul music.

The brothers also did New Jack on 2300 Jackson Street, which came out 2 years before Dangerous. I think with James is that the balladeer type R&B/pop singing he was known for was dying out, and it was an attempt to get radio play. Old funk groups like Gap Band, Cameo, Midnight Star, and the Bar Kays were also making New Jack Swing during that time. They didn't really fare much better. When people like Celine Dion started releasing New Jack style singles, you know it was worn out.

I still think Dangerous was it own trendsetter in a way.

First of all, we saw MJ do something completely different than normal- when he came out with Black or White. He brought out this new side of himself never seen before- with the rock image mixed in with his own Pop image. Also with Give in to Me

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suga10 said:

He brought out this new side of himself never seen before- with the rock image mixed in with his own Pop image.

Didn't he do this with Beat It & Dirty Diana? State Of Shock by the Jacksons was a Rolling Stones type jam. You can even say older songs like All Night Dancin' and I Am Love have sort of a rock vibe.

MickyDolenz said:

suga10 said:

He brought out this new side of himself never seen before- with the rock image mixed in with his own Pop image.

Didn't he do this with Beat It & Dirty Diana? State Of Shock by the Jacksons was a Rolling Stones type jam. You can even say older songs like All Night Dancin' and I Am Love have sort of a rock vibe.

Whomever posted the Craig David, Dangerous and TTD albums need to be slapped. Despite my love for TTD, he didn't inspire other artist.

Here's my contribution:

We have this one to thank for all the Alanis Morisette angst and the Lilith Fair whiny white girl movement.

sosgemini said:

Whomever posted the Craig David, Dangerous and TTD albums need to be slapped. Despite my love for TTD, he didn't inspire other artist.

Here's my contribution:

We have this one to thank for all the Alanis Morisette angst and the Lilith Fair whiny white girl movement.

MickyDolenz said:

suga10 said:

He brought out this new side of himself never seen before- with the rock image mixed in with his own Pop image.

Didn't he do this with Beat It & Dirty Diana? State Of Shock by the Jacksons was a Rolling Stones type jam. You can even say older songs like All Night Dancin' and I Am Love have sort of a rock vibe.

He did- I think it started more with Dirty Diana, but I think Dangerous fully highlighted it.

suga10 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Didn't he do this with Beat It & Dirty Diana? State Of Shock by the Jacksons was a Rolling Stones type jam. You can even say older songs like All Night Dancin' and I Am Love have sort of a rock vibe.

He did- I think it started more with Dirty Diana, but I think Dangerous fully highlighted it.

How is that? There's only two songs on Dangerous that could be considered rock at all, and to me only Give In To Me is really rock that might have gotten play on a AOR station. Black Or White is more pop sounding with a C+C Music Factory type dance beat. I guess that's why they did the remixes.

sosgemini said:

Whomever posted the Craig David, Dangerous and TTD albums need to be slapped. Despite my love for TTD, he didn't inspire other artist.

it inspired me, dammit!

Born To Do It exposed people who didn't live in the UK to UK Garage when it came out. There weren't many black singers from the UK that were really as big as Craig in 2000-2003

suga10 said:

I still think Dangerous was it own trendsetter in a way.

First of all, we saw MJ do something completely different than normal- when he came out with Black or White. He brought out this new side of himself never seen before- with the rock image mixed in with his own Pop image. Also with Give in to Me

Dangerous is my favorite album of all time by any artist, but it didn't break any new ground. The thread is about albums that changed music and not just MJ albums.

Alej said:

I think it's too early to say if this album really changed music, but I will say that it's predecessor from Britney did. Britney's Blackout was ahead of it's time. Now, mostly everything on the radio (including Gaga) sounds and emulates this album's production style.

I know this is a little out there, but I think these albums were predecessors to the current urban and hip-hop music scene.

daPrettyman said:

I know this is a little out there, but I think these albums were predecessors to the current urban and hip-hop music scene.

Had it not been for this woman's particular albums:

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ALL THREE of these albums wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Alej said:

Too early.

MJJstudent said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Tha Carter 3 - Everyone tries to spit punchlines like Wayne now.

T- Pain's first album.

Autotune Representative.

what about THIS:

that 'believe' song is what popularized it, even though the jamaicans (and a few others) had been using autotune as an effect prior to the mark taylor-production.

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Just because she was the first to score a mainstream hit with Autotune does not mean that she 'popularized' it.

People had no idea what Autotune was then, and it wasn't until T-Pain that it caught on.

bboy87 said:

sosgemini said:

Whomever posted the Craig David, Dangerous and TTD albums need to be slapped. Despite my love for TTD, he didn't inspire other artist.

it inspired me, dammit!

Born To Do It exposed people who didn't live in the UK to UK Garage when it came out. There weren't many black singers from the UK that were really as big as Craig in 2000-2003

In the UK garage music scene, yeah he was a good crossover but it didn't really catch on and Craig's tenure in the U.S. wasn't as successful as predicted.