Timmy84 said:

Sosgemini and SEANMAN does have a point considering there weren't that many dance-pop divas before Janet (and Madonna). The both of them made a way for the other women to emerge. So I can see how "Control" changed that part of music in that regard. It definitely was a music changer.

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And I think that was the point Kassam was trying to make with his statement. Yes, yes there were other woman around prior to these two and yes, disco stations probably played two females in a row but I would take a guess he was talking about pop/rock stations (which was the mainstream format at the time). He said, that the playlist created by stations (men owners/men djs) would not play two female artist in a row out of fear that they would lose listenership (assuming he meant, male listeners). I would say that the successes of groups like Cyndi Lauper, Madonna, GoGo's (during the same timeperiod) led to Janet being the artist that broke the barrier, forcing radio to realize that female acts could be profitable. I'm guessing, I really don't know what the point being Casey Kassam's statement were but he did in fact make it during one of his shows.

sosgemini said:

Timmy84 said:

Sosgemini and SEANMAN does have a point considering there weren't that many dance-pop divas before Janet (and Madonna). The both of them made a way for the other women to emerge. So I can see how "Control" changed that part of music in that regard. It definitely was a music changer.

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And I think that was the point Kassam was trying to make with his statement. Yes, yes there were other woman around prior to these two and yes, disco stations probably played two females in a row but I would take a guess he was talking about pop/rock stations (which was the mainstream format at the time). He said, that the playlist created by stations (men owners/men djs) would not play two female artist in a row out of fear that they would lose listenership (assuming he meant, male listeners). I would say that the successes of groups like Cyndi Lauper, Madonna, GoGo's (during the same timeperiod) led to Janet being the artist that broke the barrier, forcing radio to realize that female acts could be profitable. I'm guessing, I really don't know what the point being Casey Kassam's statement were but he did in fact make it during one of his shows.

Right. And yeah Cyndi, Madonna and the Go-Go's definitely played a big role for the woman in pop music. Casey, I never look at him the same way again, after he went off on his show's producers for not cutting into a solemn song when a caller wanted to do a dedication to his late pet lol

sosgemini said:

DiscoFunkChick said:

Try saying that 20-30 years down the road.

This ain't the "Albums that will change music" thread.

...nor the "Albums that might or might not change music" thread.

SagsWay2low said:

2. Prince - Purple Rain

I think "Dirty Mind" was more of a game changer than "Purple Rain".

PDogz said:

sosgemini said:

This ain't the "Albums that will change music" thread.

...nor the "Albums that might or might not change music" thread.

Or "Albums that have yet to do anything about music since it only came out last year".

babybugz said:

scorp84 said:

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Not necessarily for the better, although I like it. Every other mainstream rapper since his death wants to portray themselves as "thug immortals" or "poets" of some kind, and I think this album had a part in influencing that. From flaunting their "brushes with death", "war stories", gunshot/stab wounds to the media & impressionable young fans, buying memberships into crip/blood sets, draping themselves in stupid tattoos, hopping on any and every track they possibly can in an effort to appear "prolific", and to finally, chronicling their own untimely demise in song to make themselves out to be prophets. Dude, we all gonna die! The cues were taken from this man and this album.

I always prefer Me Against the World over this.

Me Against The World and Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z along with Thug Life Vol.1 are my favorite Tupac albums

sosgemini said:

SEANMAN said:

Ok, now you're reaching And i did say the "Lately" skit.

She's got tons of 5 second interludes. You know she would have. Re: Lately: I didn't know what you were talking about so I just ignored it. I thought there was a song somewhere titled "Lately".

I never understood those. Just put them with the damn song

Timmy84 said:

PDogz said:

...nor the "Albums that might or might not change music" thread.

Or "Albums that have yet to do anything about music since it only came out last year".

Okaaaay, lol

babybugz said:

scorp84 said:

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Not necessarily for the better, although I like it. Every other mainstream rapper since his death wants to portray themselves as "thug immortals" or "poets" of some kind, and I think this album had a part in influencing that. From flaunting their "brushes with death", "war stories", gunshot/stab wounds to the media & impressionable young fans, buying memberships into crip/blood sets, draping themselves in stupid tattoos, hopping on any and every track they possibly can in an effort to appear "prolific", and to finally, chronicling their own untimely demise in song to make themselves out to be prophets. Dude, we all gonna die! The cues were taken from this man and this album.

I always prefer Me Against the World over this.

So do I. I think that album represented every side of Tupac.

Man this is easy. I basically have an album from the past 4 decades that changed the game in music.

The 60's:

1. The Beatles-Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

2. The Who-The Who Sell Out

3. Cream-Disreali Gears

4. Jimi Hendrix-Electric Ladyland

5. James Brown-Live At The Apollo

The 70's:

1. Stevie Wonder-Songs In The Key Of Life

2. Marvin Gaye-What's Going On

3. Elton John-Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

4. Parlaiment-Mothership Connection

5. Led Zeppelin-4(Zoso)

The 80's:

1. Prince-1999

2. Guy-Guy

3. Public Enemy-It Takes A Nation Of Millions...

4. Michael Jackson-Thriller

5. N.W.A.-Straight Outta Compton

The 90's:

1. 2Pac-Me Against The World

2. Dr. Dre-The Chronic

3. Red Hot Chili Peppers-Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magik

4. Nirvana-Nevermind

5. Boyz 2 Men-CooleyHighHarmony

The 2000's:

1. Usher-Confessions

2. Alicia Keys-In C Minor

3. Eminem-The Eminem Show

4. Nelly-Country Grammar

5. Beyonce'-Dangerously In Love

With all of the rants and raves on the influence and impact of Janet's classic, Control, there is another album that is always forgotten in R&B music, as it was a definite game changer:

This is the album that ran circles around alot of established and up-and-coming female R&B singers in the 80s onwards. This had everybody pretty much stopping in their tracks because it redefined the spectrum of the R&B game. HANDS DOWN! Plus, it had artistic value with mainstream appeal as well, which was pretty rare for an R&B diva who had an amazing voice, which industry folks weren't necessarily looking for at that time. In other words, Baker didn't have to alter her style to cater to a mainstream audience; instead, that mainstream audience came to her.

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i would say that peaches was very similar to lady gaga without all the satanic/occult imagery. people forgot about peaches. madonna i would say paved the way for that. but people also forget about those who were there either aroung the time or before them, that were even more risque, like wanda dee or millie jackson... or la wanda page- going all the way to bessie smith.

also, i'm not a fan of either one, but i will acknowledge patti smith and velvet underground for being major gteways for bands to do that kind of stuff too.

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Were these two mentioned?

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Harlepolis said:

Were these two mentioned?

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No but you make good cases about these two.

Timmy84 said:

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exactly... i hate this album but i will give it props for being the forerunner to a lot of other poetic women doing their thing.

also, wire and gang of four should get props for doing the minimalist thing, thus inspiring bands like elastica (who wire ended up suing or something, hee hee), fugazi and so on...

the pixies begat bands like weezer and nirvana, and sonic youth begat bands like blonde redhead and also nirvana (sonic youth was the group to help them get signed to geffen).

blue cheer, the stooges, the sonics and MC5 begat bands like mudhoney and a lot of the northwest 'sludge' bands, as well as dinosaur (jr.).

the ramones begat bands like nomeansno/the hanson brothers.

lee perry inspired bands like the clash, who begat operation ivy/rancid.

and so on...

silverchild said:

With all of the rants and raves on the influence and impact of Janet's classic, Control, there is another album that is always forgotten in R&B music, as it was a definite game changer:

This is the album that ran circles around alot of established and up-and-coming female R&B singers in the 80s onwards. This had everybody pretty much stopping in their tracks because it redefined the spectrum of the R&B game. HANDS DOWN! Plus, it had artistic value with mainstream appeal as well, which was pretty rare for an R&B diva who had an amazing voice, which industry folks weren't necessarily looking for at that time. In other words, Baker didn't have to alter her style to cater to a mainstream audience; instead, that mainstream audience came to her.

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i love this album... i'm glad she finally got some light after years of doin' her thing.

LoDog said:

Man this is easy. I basically have an album from the past 4 decades that changed the game in music.

The 2000's:

1. Usher-Confessions

2. Alicia Keys-In C Minor

3. Eminem-The Eminem Show

4. Nelly-Country Grammar

5. Beyonce'-Dangerously In Love

I don't even know how you came across these answers. Especially since EDM & IDM have been making a huge splash as of late.

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and this timeless album...no one has really touched it since in my opinion...

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Raising Hell - RUN DMC

silverchild said:

With all of the rants and raves on the influence and impact of Janet's classic, Control, there is another album that is always forgotten in R&B music, as it was a definite game changer:

That's another one that definately helped to change things and I haven't forgotten it. Lord knows I wish I could forget it though.

Kraftwerk................pick 1.