HuMpThAnG said:

MickyDolenz said:

James Brown did some New Jack with Full Force "and I ain't takin' no lip!". I don't really remember the Isley's doing it, maybe Chris Jasper did. The Isley's (or Mr. Biggs) were mostly doing slow jams. But then again, I didn't really pay much attention to them after the 6 member version broke up. I remember Kool & The Gang releasing a New Jack remix of Ladies Night though. Technically, one of the first NJS tunes was The Show by Doug E Fresh.

Would "Gett Off" be considered "New Jack?"

i don't see why not, actually... do you know if prince paid james brown for all the stuff he sampled? hee hee...

Unholyalliance said:

Fenwick said:

Not that I'm a fan, but Nirvana's Nevermind putting a stop to hair band metal has to make this list somewhere.

Isn't that more of a cultural change rather than a music change? I know that changes in culture affects changes in music though... =/

Wait...something about that doesn't seem right...

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Sorry - Missed this reply until now.

Not sure if you answered your own question with that last line, but I do think both apply.

It certainly resulted in a cultural change as hair metal died an instanteous death from a mass appeal standpoint, (which has it's good and bad points), but it also resulted in a directional change of music for a little while too. Thankfully, (IMO) it didn't last very long as I've never been a big fan of Nirvana's approach to music, but it had its' place in time as well.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

How is that? There's only two songs on Dangerous that could be considered rock at all, and to me only Give In To Me is really rock that might have gotten play on a AOR station. Black Or White is more pop sounding with a C+C Music Factory type dance beat. I guess that's why they did the remixes.

"Black or White" was pop rock but there was too much of a dance influence (and hip-hop and light funk influenced) to be a full-fledged "rock" song. In fact "Give Into Me" was the only rock song in the album. Everything else was either R&B, new jack-influenced dance-pop, or pop in general.

Wasn't Black or White kinda the first song to feature hard rock, pop, rap, and dance-pop together? Wasn't that supposed to be its significance? Kinda like right after Walk This Way with Aerosmith and Run D.M.C and even Beat It? I could be wrong though, yet I think it was always really hard to cateogorize his music which is why it was always just given the 'pop' tag.

Same with Prince. =/

Gett Off doesn't sound like NJS to me, maybe it's influenced by the trunk rattling 808 beats that were in some rap songs of the time. My friend is a major New Jack fan and knows everything about it and I don't think he would consider it as one. Morris Day's Guaranteed album is NJS though.

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Not necessarily for the better, although I like it. Every other mainstream rapper since his death wants to portray themselves as "thug immortals" or "poets" of some kind, and I think this album had a part in influencing that. From flaunting their "brushes with death", "war stories", gunshot/stab wounds to the media & impressionable young fans, buying memberships into crip/blood sets, draping themselves in stupid tattoos, hopping on any and every track they possibly can in an effort to appear "prolific", and to finally, chronicling their own untimely demise in song to make themselves out to be prophets. Dude, we all gonna die! The cues were taken from this man and this album.

Unholyalliance said:

Timmy84 said:

"Black or White" was pop rock but there was too much of a dance influence (and hip-hop and light funk influenced) to be a full-fledged "rock" song. In fact "Give Into Me" was the only rock song in the album. Everything else was either R&B, new jack-influenced dance-pop, or pop in general.

Wasn't Black or White kinda the first song to feature hard rock, pop, rap, and dance-pop together? Wasn't that supposed to be its significance? Kinda like right after Walk This Way with Aerosmith and Run D.M.C and even Beat It? I could be wrong though, yet I think it was always really hard to cateogorize his music which is why it was always just given the 'pop' tag.

Same with Prince. =/

Depends on how "hard rock" it really was. It had ROCK influences yes. And it was really more dance-pop. I think some critics emulate what Michael and Prince do TOO highly sometimes. Considering other people were doing the same thing they were doing the same thing. Michael already mixed the genres with "Beat It" (rock, dance pop, R&B, funk) and "Walk This Way" was played on rap, dance AND rock stations lol

Timmy84 said:

Depends on how "hard rock" it really was. It had ROCK influences yes. And it was really more dance-pop. I think some critics emulate what Michael and Prince do TOO highly sometimes. Considering other people were doing the same thing they were doing the same thing. Michael already mixed the genres with "Beat It" (rock, dance pop, R&B, funk) and "Walk This Way" was played on rap, dance AND rock stations lol

Wat?

Unholyalliance said:

Timmy84 said:

Depends on how "hard rock" it really was. It had ROCK influences yes. And it was really more dance-pop. I think some critics emulate what Michael and Prince do TOO highly sometimes. Considering other people were doing the same thing they were doing the same thing. Michael already mixed the genres with "Beat It" (rock, dance pop, R&B, funk) and "Walk This Way" was played on rap, dance AND rock stations lol

Wat?

Like they gave them credit for "inventing" a new style of music when it was done before. I mean they were great in mixing different styles but folks act like no one was doing that before them. Get what I'm saying? I thought they did too considering I'm one of the so-called "Reagan babies".

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Timmy84 said:

Like they gave them credit for "inventing" a new style of music when it was done before. I mean they were great in mixing different styles but folks act like no one was doing that before them. Get what I'm saying? I thought they did too considering I'm one of the so-called "Reagan babies".

I know...but I think you meant: OVERRATE not emulate.

Kinda like what critics do the Beatles since they were so popular.

Unholyalliance said:

Timmy84 said:

Like they gave them credit for "inventing" a new style of music when it was done before. I mean they were great in mixing different styles but folks act like no one was doing that before them. Get what I'm saying? I thought they did too considering I'm one of the so-called "Reagan babies".

I know...but I think you meant: OVERRATE not emulate.

Kinda like what critics do the Beatles since they were so popular.

I guess lol but then again I love all three lol

The Funk's synth-driven era began here:

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MJJstudent said:

babybugz said:

Michael’s my favorite singer but no.. Dangerous is one of my favorite albums from him too but I would even pick Bobby Brown over him in general as far as New Jack Swing.

i never got into bobby brown post-new edition... and again, i HATE new jack. it's too cold and mechanic for me. michael (in my opinion) made it sound warm. this is teddy's best work.

In your opinion

babybugz said:

MJJstudent said:

i never got into bobby brown post-new edition... and again, i HATE new jack. it's too cold and mechanic for me. michael (in my opinion) made it sound warm. this is teddy's best work.

In your opinion

yes indeed.

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i was going to post this album, but i posted frank zappa/mothers instead, since zappa was at the helm with this... this is actually my favourite captain beefheart album though.

RIP don van vliet.

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Not necessarily for the better, although I like it. Every other mainstream rapper since his death wants to portray themselves as "thug immortals" or "poets" of some kind, and I think this album had a part in influencing that. From flaunting their "brushes with death", "war stories", gunshot/stab wounds to the media & impressionable young fans, buying memberships into crip/blood sets, draping themselves in stupid tattoos, hopping on any and every track they possibly can in an effort to appear "prolific", and to finally, chronicling their own untimely demise in song to make themselves out to be prophets. Dude, we all gonna die! The cues were taken from this man and this album.

I always prefer Me Against the World over this.

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I everyone is just posting their personal favorites now.

MJJstudent said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Just because she was the first to score a mainstream hit with Autotune does not mean that she 'popularized' it.

People had no idea what Autotune was then, and it wasn't until T-Pain that it caught on.

didn't they end up calling it 'the cher effect' though?

It still didn't catch on until a couple of years ago

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I'm sure more people would refer to it with T-Pain in mind these days.

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Seriously? Arachnoid? Rythm Nation? How did those change the landscapes of music? Arachnoid can't event change the tragectory of Janelle's career.

sosgemini said:

Seriously? Arachnoid? Rythm Nation? How did those change the landscapes of music? Arachnoid can't event change the tragectory of Janelle's career.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, but figured there might be something going on that I wasn't aware of, lol. Even if "Archandroid" were that big of a deal, it would be too soon to say that it had any impact on the direction of music.

kenny88 said:

I everyone is just posting their personal favorites now.

sosgemini said:

Seriously? Arachnoid? Rythm Nation? How did those change the landscapes of music? Arachnoid can't event change the tragectory of Janelle's career.

I didn't see many albums (if any at all) with interludes on them before RN. Also, it helped further establish the New Jack Swing genre.

SEANMAN said:

sosgemini said:

Seriously? Arachnoid? Rythm Nation? How did those change the landscapes of music? Arachnoid can't event change the tragectory of Janelle's career.

I didn't see many albums (if any at all) with interludes on them before RN. Also, it helped further establish the New Jack Swing genre.

I'm still hoping someone can explain to me the identifying signature of "New Jack Swing".

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Nevermind, I found it. Thanks to Wikipedia:

New Jack Swing

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Timmy84 said:

there were many copycats to this album

Sparkle's debut album, Ashanti's Chapter II

Keyshia's Just Like You, Faith Evans' debut

Xscape's Off The Hook, SWV's Release Some Tension

Frankie's My Heart Belongs to You & Mashonda's January Joy

all borrowed from what makes this album so timeless

SEANMAN said:

sosgemini said:

Seriously? Arachnoid? Rythm Nation? How did those change the landscapes of music? Arachnoid can't event change the tragectory of Janelle's career.

I didn't see many albums (if any at all) with interludes on them before RN. Also, it helped further establish the New Jack Swing genre.

She had them on Control. They just weren't tracked. And didn't funk artist do the whole skit thing before that? Shoot, Alexander O'Neal had them on his Fake album which predated RN1814, too.

sosgemini said:

SEANMAN said:

I didn't see many albums (if any at all) with interludes on them before RN. Also, it helped further establish the New Jack Swing genre.

She had them on Control. They just weren't tracked. And didn't funk artist do the whole skit thing before that? Shoot, Alexander O'Neal had them on his Fake album which predated RN1814, too.

Yep. I think, also, Todd Rundgren predated EVERYONE. He was doing interludes since 1972 lol

^^^The Monkees Head soundtrack had interludes on it, and it came out in 1968.

SEANMAN said:

sosgemini said:

Seriously? Arachnoid? Rythm Nation? How did those change the landscapes of music? Arachnoid can't event change the tragectory of Janelle's career.

I didn't see many albums (if any at all) with interludes on them before RN. Also, it helped further establish the New Jack Swing genre.

Janet interludes didn't change music and New Jack Swing was already established before Rhythm Nation 1814's release. The one album from Janet that changed music is Control.