GettOffMyLand said:

Timmy84 said:

Apparently and some audio was posted but I don't know if it was really Prince and his band. Only time will tell.

Sounds to good to be true I wish there was more out there of Michael and Prince talking about each others music. I think in alot of ways they must have had huge respect for each other.

I believe it too.

GettOffMyLand said:

Timmy84 said:

Apparently and some audio was posted but I don't know if it was really Prince and his band. Only time will tell.

Sounds to good to be true I wish there was more out there of Michael and Prince talking about each others music. I think in alot of ways they must have had huge respect for each other.

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with Shelby on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

Swa said:

GettOffMyLand said:

Sounds to good to be true I wish there was more out there of Michael and Prince talking about each others music. I think in alot of ways they must have had huge respect for each other.

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with Shelby on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

*ahem* Can you share with me please? Pretty please!?

Toture is the most underrated Jacksons song.

Swa said:

GettOffMyLand said:

Sounds to good to be true I wish there was more out there of Michael and Prince talking about each others music. I think in alot of ways they must have had huge respect for each other.

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with TAMAR on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

Just listened to it - it's TAMAR on vocals, not Shelby as I incorrectly posted.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Toture is the most underrated Jacksons song.

I'm listening to Torture right now, I come in this thread and BAM, there's the instrumental!

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Exactly.

Anyone remember this report?

Oxman said that only half of Michael's jackson FBI files got released to the public.

The other half are not being released at all. They are withholding it from the public.

I think something huge is going on behind the scenes.

[Edited 3/27/11 18:52pm]

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Sorry Militant on this we disagree. The only justification I could ever entertain was that his children were threatened and he did it to protect them, but even that would be far fetched. A loving father such as Michael would never do that to his kids. As yet no one has offered any solid reason to justify such actions - what about the suicides by a few fans that followed his "death".

Besides if he did fake his death, he would be up on charges of fraud amongst others.

Surely if he was going to fake his death, he would have done it during 05, not when he was on the verge of reclaiming everything that was important to him and his career.

Like all tragedies people want to find a "reason" or "rationale" for it, and some people won't let go - thus you have rumours of Elvis, Tupac and now Mike all living large somewhere else.

I understand the curiosity, but I could never support it.

suga10 said:

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Exactly.

Anyone remember this report?

Oxman said that only half of Michael's jackson papers got released to the public.

The other half are not being released. They are withholding it from the public.

I think something huge might be going on, and many are not aware of it.

Or those files were to do with the investigations into the child molestation accusations and are sealed to protect other children interviewed etc.

Don't read too much into stuff that isn't there.

Swa said:

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Sorry Militant on this we disagree. The only justification I could ever entertain was that his children were threatened and he did it to protect them, but even that would be far fetched. A loving father such as Michael would never do that to his kids. As yet no one has offered any solid reason to justify such actions - what about the suicides by a few fans that followed his "death".

Besides if he did fake his death, he would be up on charges of fraud amongst others.

Surely if he was going to fake his death, he would have done it during 05, not when he was on the verge of reclaiming everything that was important to him and his career.

Like all tragedies people want to find a "reason" or "rationale" for it, and some people won't let go - thus you have rumours of Elvis, Tupac and now Mike all living large somewhere else.

I understand the curiosity, but I could never support it.

Regarding fans commiting suicide- its their fault! It also indicates a lack of self-esteem. To kill yourself because someone passes away, is just silly. You can't blame Michael for that, people are responsible for their own actions.

You can fake your death legally with the help of FBI and they place the person under a protection program. It wouldn't be fraud then. And they talked about death threats MJ faced in his life too in that file

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...eats.jhtml

And don't forget, the spirtual advisor of Michael that released his tape saying how much he feared TT. This was all brought forth in the media after June 25.

[Edited 3/27/11 19:43pm]

If you own an iPod Touch or iPhone, they have an app called Tunein Radio, which carries radio stations from around the world. There's a radio station out of Russia (Moscow) that plays Michael Jackson 24/7, 101.ru King of Pop.

or you can listen to here also.

http://radiotime.com/station/s_119888/101ru_-_Michael_Jackson.aspx (you have to sign up for this, I think)

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[Edited 3/29/11 22:36pm]

Timmy84 said:

YES! One of my personal favorites from the solo Motown era. All four of those albums released during his Motown tenture are sublime.

silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

YES! One of my personal favorites from the solo Motown era. All four of those albums released during his Motown tenture are sublime.

I actually like his Motown solo albums better than the Jackson 5 material. Yeah strange I know lol

Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

YES! One of my personal favorites from the solo Motown era. All four of those albums released during his Motown tenture are sublime.

I actually like his Motown solo albums better than the Jackson 5 material. Yeah strange I know lol

that is FAR from strange my man... his solo stuff IS better than the output motown distributed with the brothers... the music and me album is quite underrated. 'up again', 'too young' and euphoria' are my favourite tracks on this album. my favourite of the four albums is 'forever, michael'.

Swa said:

GettOffMyLand said:

Sounds to good to be true I wish there was more out there of Michael and Prince talking about each others music. I think in alot of ways they must have had huge respect for each other.

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with Shelby on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

i have actually heard this audio. i think i also heard the 'don't stop till you get enough'. which is the performance he did, where he opened it with 'this song is for my friend', referring to michael? that was 'shake your body', right?

MJJstudent said:

Swa said:

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with Shelby on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

i have actually heard this audio. i think i also heard the 'don't stop till you get enough'. which is the performance he did, where he opened it with 'this song is for my friend', referring to michael? that was 'shake your body', right?

I've been looking for that audio too

MJJstudent said:

Swa said:

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with Shelby on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

i have actually heard this audio. i think i also heard the 'don't stop till you get enough'. which is the performance he did, where he opened it with 'this song is for my friend', referring to michael? that was 'shake your body', right?

The version of Mountains/Shake Your Body Down was from lotusflow3r.com (no intro saying "this song is for my friend" on that).

DSTYGE with Tamar singing is from back in 3121 days (i believe) and it's awesome hearing the crowd go off when Prince breaks the band down and plays those unmistakable chords. As soon as the crowd gets what song it is, and the fact P is doing it - lifts the energy beyond.

One of my fav memories of 3121 shows was Rashida DJing before hand and every now and then throwing in a MJ track and the crowd initially going "what?!" then "WOW!".

MJJstudent said:

Timmy84 said:

I actually like his Motown solo albums better than the Jackson 5 material. Yeah strange I know lol

that is FAR from strange my man... his solo stuff IS better than the output motown distributed with the brothers... the music and me album is quite underrated. 'up again', 'too young' and euphoria' are my favourite tracks on this album. my favourite of the four albums is 'forever, michael'.

You both have a point there, but I always consider MJ's solo stuff for Motown as driving vehicles for the J-5 musical legacy (just as much as Jermaine or Jackie's solo albums). Despite all of that, I think MJ's solo stuff during the Motown days is just a testament to why Michael was a sole standout as a vocalist and perfectionist. All four of those albums from Got To Be There and Forever, Michael brimmed with Michael's young talent and vibrancy.

To me, J-5's material didn't get quite interesting and out-of-the-box until Get It Together onwards, which was unlike anything thing they had done from '69-72. Not to put a damper on Diana Ross Presents..., ABC, Maybe Tomorrow or Third Album as those are remarkable releases as well!

silverchild said:

MJJstudent said:

that is FAR from strange my man... his solo stuff IS better than the output motown distributed with the brothers... the music and me album is quite underrated. 'up again', 'too young' and euphoria' are my favourite tracks on this album. my favourite of the four albums is 'forever, michael'.

You both have a point there, but I always consider MJ's solo stuff for Motown as driving vehicles for the J-5 musical legacy (just as much as Jermaine or Jackie's solo albums). Despite all of that, I think MJ's solo stuff during the Motown days is just a testament to why Michael was a sole standout as a vocalist and perfectionist. All four of those albums from Got To Be There and Forever, Michael brimmed with Michael's young talent and vibrancy.

To me, J-5's material didn't get quite interesting and out-of-the-box until Get It Together onwards, which was unlike anything thing they had done from '69-72. Not to put a damper on Diana Ross Presents..., ABC, Maybe Tomorrow or Third Album as those are remarkable releases as well!

I agree, especially because they would record Michael's solo songs right with the J5 songs. Recording sessions would be songs Looking Through The Windows, Ben, and Jermaine's first album (all 3 were released May-August 1972) all sandwiched together

In those 7 years, the J5 collective released 181 songs (they released 100 songs alone between 1972-1974)

silverchild said:

MJJstudent said:

that is FAR from strange my man... his solo stuff IS better than the output motown distributed with the brothers... the music and me album is quite underrated. 'up again', 'too young' and euphoria' are my favourite tracks on this album. my favourite of the four albums is 'forever, michael'.

You both have a point there, but I always consider MJ's solo stuff for Motown as driving vehicles for the J-5 musical legacy (just as much as Jermaine or Jackie's solo albums). Despite all of that, I think MJ's solo stuff during the Motown days is just a testament to why Michael was a sole standout as a vocalist and perfectionist. All four of those albums from Got To Be There and Forever, Michael brimmed with Michael's young talent and vibrancy.

To me, J-5's material didn't get quite interesting and out-of-the-box until Get It Together onwards, which was unlike anything thing they had done from '69-72. Not to put a damper on Diana Ross Presents..., ABC, Maybe Tomorrow or Third Album as those are remarkable releases as well!

i think that perhaps due to the brothers' different personalities (in particular, marlon wanting more dance music or michael wanting ballads- along with motown not really allowing too much artist input), the label didn't know what to do with them. they were just rushing them out as teen idols, but motown (like a lot of labels) weren't as engaged with the changing times as they should have been.

for me, i think a lot of the cuts that never made it to the albums were more interesting than the ones which made it. a lot of the non-album tracks had that nice bottom end; it was more percussive... it's too bad bobby taylor got kicked out of the equation in favor of a more 'pop' sound. when hal davis (and even brian holland) and them had more production/songwriting influence, some of that stuff returned.

that said, despite the corporation being all over it, my favourite J5 album is actually 'third album'. it retained a bit of the taylor influence, to me anyway... moreso than the previous two (and the christmas album ain't so bad either). after that, my favourite would be 'moving violation'.

and jackie's album doesn't really get any light at all.. that is a great album!

however, i think that michael's style was so versatile, more than his brothers in many ways. his vocals were modeled after everyone from diana ross to dean martin. with 'forever, michael', the influences from chicago to barry white were there as well. he tackled so much. a consummate performer, at such a young age.

speaking up the first motown album... it's really interesting to hear the steeltown version of 'you've changed', versus the motown version of it... crazy, man... the steeltown version seemed sort of innocuous, since he still sounded like a little kid. in the motown version, it sounded a bit creepier to me. i just don't feel as if they gave STEVIE these creepy songs like that when he was a kid. and his voice was deeper too...

Swa said:

MJJstudent said:

i have actually heard this audio. i think i also heard the 'don't stop till you get enough'. which is the performance he did, where he opened it with 'this song is for my friend', referring to michael? that was 'shake your body', right?

The version of Mountains/Shake Your Body Down was from lotusflow3r.com (no intro saying "this song is for my friend" on that).

DSTYGE with Tamar singing is from back in 3121 days (i believe) and it's awesome hearing the crowd go off when Prince breaks the band down and plays those unmistakable chords. As soon as the crowd gets what song it is, and the fact P is doing it - lifts the energy beyond.

One of my fav memories of 3121 shows was Rashida DJing before hand and every now and then throwing in a MJ track and the crowd initially going "what?!" then "WOW!".

there was actually a clip on youtube i saw where he performed a michael song and introduced it by saying 'this is for my friend' or something. the clip may not be there anymore... it was not too long after michael's transition... i think it was 'shake your body'...

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

I'm one of those that said that Casey. And I would. Because although for reasons unknown it would never be a strong enough reason for me, But see to me I shouldn't even entertain that thought any longer because Michael is not here. So it's disrepsectful of me to even keep that energy there. So that's all i will say on the subject. RIP Mike.

Why is this my first time seeing this? Why didn't he put this in? I've always wondered.

Swa said:

GettOffMyLand said:

Sounds to good to be true I wish there was more out there of Michael and Prince talking about each others music. I think in alot of ways they must have had huge respect for each other.

Yes Prince did do a cover of DSTYGE - but with Shelby on vocals.

I have audio of this.

He has also done covers of Billie Jean (though not him on vocals - during a soundcheck)

Has done Shake Your Body Down as an adjunct to Mountains.

[Edited 3/27/11 15:31pm]

Thanks for the info. I have to admit as a music fan I have always been quite terrible at collecting. And downloading has been completely alien to me, usually because I have a useless laptop with no memory so I never download things. But there is a whole wealth of material I am missing out on. I kind of don't start getting hold of this stuff because I don't know where to start!

Ok mission statement. I will get a hard drive and I will pick everyones brains on tracks that I don't know much about. You all have been warned!

My video for the people and children of Japan. We decided to feature footage of Michael since you know he'd be doing something! Credit on the video editing and imagery goes to orger SherryJackson. Music Composed and arranged by me.

SherryJackson said:

Militant said:

I'm not saying I believe Michael faked his death - but I think some of you ought to be VERY careful before you start throwing around phrases like "I'd lose respect for him if he did..."

Way I see it - IF, and of course that's a big MFin IF, he did, you can bet he had valid reasons for doing so. And as far as how much information is public knowledge, we would only be able to barely scratch the surface of understanding those reasons.

Something that big, on that scale, is not something anyone would do on a whim, or purely for personal benefit. It would certainly run a lot deeper.

Exactly.

Timmy84 said:

Love that song.