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Why sign "2011"..... "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD | |
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This Is It Dancers also were contracted for just 2 years. From 2009 to 2011.
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My IQ just dropped entering this thread.
MJ IS DEAD! USE COMMON SENSE, DAMNIT!
You weirdos! You're crazier than Michael in that Bashir interview (oh, I forgot it: it was all Bashir's fault). | |
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This was done in 2009.
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wow... okay... i for one do not believe michael is still physically here (even if i DO believe he is not at forest lawn).
some people may think this is conspiracy theory, but here it goes: i think AEG (as michael and murray's employer) had a lot to do with his murder. in reading the AEG contracts (which i believe michael didn't read (even though he signed it), since he vocally acknowledged thome ended up dealing with and finalizing a lot of his business stuff), the content in there is ridiculous, and not well put together at all. michael decided to do 10 shows because he owed a bunch of money. that speech he did on 5 march said a lot to me. i could tell something was up with him.
randy phillips acknowledged in interviews that michael was not aware of the extra shows they were to put on him. this is all on tape, as well as documents. i also saw written documents (most likely retrieved when murray was set to take AEG to court) that AEG told michael he was not to see any other doctors except murray, or else he would not be paid, and his assets would be taken away. this may also explain why michael was ornery towards the end (according to people i know who saw 'this is it').
yes, the dancers were on a two-year contract... this doesn't mean michael is alive. the question is, were they expecting something to happen to michael (hence all the insurance issues)... WHERE IS THE MISSING MEDICAL EXAM? was there one at all?
it's already been established that they were working on some extended dates of the tour (initially without michael's knowledge). they were actually looking to bring some dates to the states, if the initial run was successful. this is why the dancers had an extended contract. but because they are on a contract, a lot of them are choosing to get hooked up with cirque du soleil or other shows. as much as i don't agree with the projects they are taking on; contractually it makes sense to me.
i'm not insisting that AEG knew the date of his impending 'death'; however, i think because assets were at stake (and because they were an employer of michael's), they should be given a summons to appear in court. the two-year contracts (aka 'confidentiality contracts') and other factors are fishy to me. a couple of the dancers like kryss grant (and i can't remember the dutch guy's name) actually let out some information in interviews, contradicting ortega's comments at one point. grant even said at one point, something to the effect of 'i probably shouldn't be saying this...'
so there is definitely more to the issue than media (or anyone directly involved) are letting on. i think an even bigger culprit is sony (who outbid every other company for $60 million for the rights to 'this is it'). their posthumous contract was crazy too.
people are focused on murray, but one person who's not in the equation so much is thome thome. i find that strange, since he was the one who helped established the AEG deal, AND after he was fired he still sat there, stating he represented michael.
unfortunately, in my view i think michael was so trapped (due to financial issues and his own self-doubt) that he felt he had to do these performances. and now we see what happened. is it possible he could have done something similar to what he did in 2001?
there's a lot of questions i have... | |
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hmmmmm... well, michael lied, for sure in the bashir interviews... i caught it right away when he did, and i called him on it. HOWEVER! neither him nor bashir were crazy there... bashir was just doing his job- albeit, a horrible one; and michael, i thought he was great! watching those interviews actually made me like him more.
nevertheless, i'm not sure where you're coming from with this with the judgments. i may not agree with suga10's theory, but still, i don't think it's 'weird' or 'crazy' or anything. peace... | |
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thank you... it really is hard. | |
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Its so hard losing someone close to you. 
the thing is, i don't find riley credible, because initially he said michael was murdered. then he said he was alive. then he said he didn't know if it was michael on the cascio tracks. then he said it was... i think part of this for him is making money. isn't blackstreet reuniting or something? and riley hasn't spoken to michael for years before all this, as far as i know.. there's something very fishy about how riley's gone about things. these messages here are very cryptic. | |
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Timmy you lied. You said people were less crazy here! ‘You don’t understand — if I’m not there to receive these ideas, God might give them to Prince.’ | |
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Miko Brando on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/mikobrando
But when Joe Jackson of all people thinks Michael's alive.....
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I thought that you said before people here were well balanced. What happened? | |
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Well I posted at KOP. Got scared. Been on here for quite a while, just started posting. I'm worried I brought some of the unbalanced with me ‘You don’t understand — if I’m not there to receive these ideas, God might give them to Prince.’ | |
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I doubt you're to blame. | |
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It ain't us, no no.
As far as the death hoax bs go...I used to believe it in the first month...I say that's me in denial. I eventually had to come to the realization Michael was really gone...and it wasn't easy. It still ain't easy.
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Me, I'm posting sporadically every 7-10 hours or so because I'm noticing the influx of nuttiness in this thread. 
I've posted things which have been said by people themselves- verbally and through twitter. When people like that are saying things like that, wouldn't you feel a little bit suspicious of the whole death situation?
I also believed he was dead like the rest in the beginning. But when I heard people that were close to Michael saying these kinds of things- it made me start to wonder.
They could clearly just tell the world that he's dead. But they don't.
People refuse to think out of the box and choose to remain close-minded. MJ was no idiot. He's been around snakes in his life and I doubt he would let any foolish doctor inject him with Propofol. I also think that the extent of his prescription drug use has been exaggerated by the media. In addition, we've been hearing from so many people about how MJ felt his life was being threatened. His family has been saying that repeatedly. Things probably got so bad near the end.
MJ didn't live life on normal terms like any other person does.He did things which were unconventional for the first most part. I would not imagine any other celebrity resorting to faking their death, but with Michael you can expect the impossible. Hello this is the same guy who walked to court in his pyjamas
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"you're never gonna survive unless you get a little crazy..." | |
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i personally don't find any of these people credible, particularly if they're writing cryptic notes on twitter, so... IF michael were alive, how would it be all of a sudden he's slipping up, since when he was here, he held secrets no one will ever know. for a man extremely keen on marketing to purposefully be so sloppy makes no sense to me.
with that, if he were alive, for him to all of a sudden involve significant individuals in his family (like his parents, randy and possibly jermaine) after years of distancing himself from them in one form or another, is fishy. joe saying michael is alive DOES raise eyeballs, but not in the way it's raising yours.
IF he were alive, i'd lose all respect for him not because he's still alive, but because the hoax is so shoddily done. i'd lose even more respect for him for allowing his children to be exposed to all that negativity and drama. why would, after years of not wanting his children to be hounded by the press, would he allow them to be interviewed by the biggest leeches in media, AND allow them to be bound to a contract (which his mother signed) essentially for life?
this will have meant that michael lied about everything, in relation to his values on human rights and concern for children especially. IF he is alive, he would then be a fraud.
i'm not saying the hoax people are crazy... i'm not making judgments against the hoax people. what i AM saying is that, even if michael were not to be charged with a felony for keeping up this hoax, there would be a lot to pay for in terms of what rests on his conscience.
i'm not seeing solid evidence at this point of him being here. peace... | |
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Since when has Joseph Walter Jackson ever been a truthful person? Get out of here with that.
His sons and daughters and estranged wife are not 100% with him on that anyways lol | |
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i actually agree with a few of your points, particularly the highlighted ones... suga10, just because i am respectfully agreeing to dis-agree with you, i must say i don't think you're off your rocker. i've never been to the other michael fan sites so i cannot comment on them. i have views on this thread which i receive grief for as well, so i feel your pain.
the thing is though, as i mentioned in a post i just wrote before this one, there's a higher toll to pay in the end, if indeed this is a hoax. his children are being exposed to unnecessary stress. his business is being all exposed out in the open. there's just so much more.
it is possible people are grieving in many ways, and one of the ways people are choosing to do it is by continuing what michael used to do in his lifetime (because we all know that michael was the king of hoaxes in our generation)- only the people creating the hoax are doing it shoddily. whether or not it's on purpose i don't know.
the other thing is, michael vocally acknowledged that he had little to no control over his life to an extent, particularly in dealing with thome. i'm not surprised if he was not aware of the extent the drugs took their toll. the man was suffering and in a lot of pain. he could not sleep, because he was freaking out about these shows. he was overworked, emotionally and physically. it seems as if a lot of people were talking in his ear at once, and as he was notorious for hating conflict, so he just did what he could do to just get by, for his kids. it's not like he wanted to die; but it seems as if the pain was so unbearable that he didn't wanna fight anymore. i can't say, i wasn't there. this is just from my perspective, not written in stone.
in 1993 michael acknowledged an addiction to painkillers... in the late 1990s he went in for treatment. i cannot say how effective that treatment was, but from a close friend who has suffered from depression for years, she tells me that benzos are extremely difficult to get off of. and michael was on lots of them.
i don't think it's about a 'foolish doctor in jecting him with propofol'. again, i think it's about michael being in a position he could not get out of, in terms of a contract.
in terms of the pyjamas, i don't see that as so abnormal... i wear my pyjamas all the time. would i wear them on a court date? ask me again if that ever were to happen. i felt worried for him though, he was looking really sickly around that time. he lost a lot of weight. with the disguises, yeah, it was a clever ploy but someone usually found out. the funny thing is that he used decoys all the time (after the vitiligo took over), but people always thought it was him.
so in the end, it wouldn't be a surprise if he faked his transition, as he is a master at hoaxes. however, again, the work put into creating this hoax is (by whoever is creating it) taking its toll in so many other ways we cannot physically/immediately see.
the people promoting/prompting this hoax i truly believe are doing it for corporatist/capitalistic purposes. it keeps revenue up.
it's also a distraction from other things going on in the world. if michael created this hoax with THAT message in mind; even if i'd be pissed at him i'd have to acknowledge the stroke of brilliance in it. "why they wanna trip on him, right?
so again, you're not crazy... just between me and you (HA!) just resort to being called crazy if your views are a little bit off the radar from the majority. it doesn't mean they're incorrect either; it's just that this thread (and i guess, site) is a little microcosm of the society at-large... and no matter how 'alternative' we think we are we are still conditioned to judge others by our own values of 'normal' or 'weird'. someday we will all just value each others' views without adherence to these values.
stay up, suga10... peace.
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Not crazy but misguided. | |
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it's very sad what joseph put his children through... | |
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well, we're ALL misguided, up to a point, depending on the situation. i can't judge... | |
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Sadder it was tolerated back then. | |
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indeed... i went through it as a kid, so i know. that's why i do my best not to judge them. but jermaine, he has shown his face though... he is a reflection of his father in so many ways. | |
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I knew he was gone, but in the first year, I had hope that it could be a hoax at times, cause he didn't feel dead, but I also knew it was a state of denial on my part and he was really gone | |
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i still get very sad, but i have come to terms with it. it may be hard in a couple of months though. | |
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Timmy who did you lie to GettOffMyLand?! you know this sticky has MJJC and KOP refugees! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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wow... i REALLY have a lot to learn!!! can someone please explain to me what MJJC and KOP are about, and why people there are considered so crazy? thanks. | |
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I forget what I said verbatim to him, but I guess it was the sane comment. [Edited 3/26/11 1:19am] | |
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