2freaky4church1 said:

Unless they're a child molester or a serial killer I just care about what art they put out. Actually, I even like a Charles Manson song so the art lives on..lol

Funny you should mention that. I've always wanted to hear more of Charles Manson's music. I've also always wanted to personally sit down and talk to him. I've never believed he was as crazy as he's played himself. Evil perhaps, but not so crazy.

NDRU said:

NDRU said:

Was it? Maybe I just assumed it was the singer because it was a guy on the mic. Well, there is still plenty to hate Vince Neil for! His voice for starters.

you're right I just watched. And let's just assume for argument's sake the security guard was beating up a defenseless woman as alleged.

STILL, the crowd could have killed that man!! They were all cheering the racist comments, and if you read the youtube comments, they are all racist, too.

That is why I have never liked motley crue, aside from their terrible music. They are a bunch of trashy morons. The utter dregs of society.

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It's no wonder why Tommy Lee needed a solo career outside of Motley Crue. The whole band suffers every time one band member screws up.

TonyVanDam said:

NDRU said:

you're right I just watched. And let's just assume for argument's sake the security guard was beating up a defenseless woman as alleged.

STILL, the crowd could have killed that man!! They were all cheering the racist comments, and if you read the youtube comments, they are all racist, too.

That is why I have never liked motley crue, aside from their terrible music. They are a bunch of trashy morons. The utter dregs of society.

[Edited 12/28/10 10:28am]

It's no wonder why Tommy Lee needed a solo career outside of Motley Crue. The whole band suffers every time one band member screws up.

Exactly. And every other year, it's either Nicki or Vince. But somehow when shit gets fucked up between them, they ended up coming back lol they must treat their band like a marriage. When problems get too acriminous (and it's usually because one of the them get drunk or high off heroin, cocaine or whatever), they split and find other partners, the relationships with the other partners don't work out, so they reunite to see if they can work it out. And oddly enough they're on their 30th anniversary coming up next year.

Tommy had to escape because he was caught up in not only Motley's mess but in his own tabloid-embroiled scandals with Pamela Anderson and 'em.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

I respect him more artistically, not personally.

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Whatever he does in his personal life is his business. Still love George.

I don't mind knowing that George Michael like to smoke . I'm only disappointed about that incident of him getting high while driving a car!!!

Don't smoke AND drive, that's all I'm saying.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's no wonder why Tommy Lee needed a solo career outside of Motley Crue. The whole band suffers every time one band member screws up.

Exactly. And every other year, it's either Nicki or Vince. But somehow when shit gets fucked up between them, they ended up coming back lol they must treat their band like a marriage. When problems get too acriminous (and it's usually because one of the them get drunk or high off heroin, cocaine or whatever), they split and find other partners, the relationships with the other partners don't work out, so they reunite to see if they can work it out. And oddly enough they're on their 30th anniversary coming up next year.

Tommy had to escape because he was caught up in not only Motley's mess but in his own tabloid-embroiled scandals with Pamela Anderson and 'em.

And lets not forget about that time when Tommy got KTFO by Kid Rock!

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Whatever he does in his personal life is his business. Still love George.

I don't mind knowing that George Michael like to smoke . I'm only disappointed about that incident of him getting high while driving a car!!!

Don't smoke AND drive, that's all I'm saying.

Yeah that part had me shaking my head but hopefully this incident woke him up.

MelinaB said:

Rihanna. She turned into a stupid bitch.

First she gets her ass beat by Chris Brown, which was, of course, a terrible thing and everyone symphathized for her...but then this fool turns around and gets back together with the dipshit that kicked her ass. Strike 1. I was waiting for Mary J Blige to swoop down and smack some sense into her.

Then naked photos get leaked -- strike 2. You'd think as a celebrity, you'd know that if you take naked photos of yourself, they WILL get leaked. NOTHING IS PRIVATE IN YOUR LIFE ANYMORE BITCH. And if you WANTED them to get leaked, you still a dumb bitch.

Then she goes on some radio show and says she feels sorry for any guys that don't get naked photos of their girlfriends. STRIKE FUCKING 3. What a stupid thing to say, especially when there's girls who look up to you. She went from this cute girl from Barbados to the typical pop slut. Thanks for being so unique, hoe.

Rant over.

Oh yeah, and fuck you too, Chris Brown. Punk ass bitch.

LOL.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly. And every other year, it's either Nicki or Vince. But somehow when shit gets fucked up between them, they ended up coming back lol they must treat their band like a marriage. When problems get too acriminous (and it's usually because one of the them get drunk or high off heroin, cocaine or whatever), they split and find other partners, the relationships with the other partners don't work out, so they reunite to see if they can work it out. And oddly enough they're on their 30th anniversary coming up next year.

Tommy had to escape because he was caught up in not only Motley's mess but in his own tabloid-embroiled scandals with Pamela Anderson and 'em.

And lets not forget about that time when Tommy got KTFO by Kid Rock!

raffi said:

TotalAlisa said:

are you mariah carey?????

Are you retarded????

No but your PSYCHO... and trying to live your life vicariously through mariah carey....

Happy Holidays all....

..it's funny how Tommy Lee is Mr. "hip hop wannabe" and is buddies with Snoop, Puffy..(yeah I still call him that) Missy and others. But in a interview w/ SPIN magazine (back in 1997 or 98), he

and Nikki used the "N" word freely throughout the interview. And I've seen Mick "I love black music and the blues" Mars use the "N" word too on a 1994 bootleg of them in the studio.

TonyVanDam said:

NDRU said:

you're right I just watched. And let's just assume for argument's sake the security guard was beating up a defenseless woman as alleged.

STILL, the crowd could have killed that man!! They were all cheering the racist comments, and if you read the youtube comments, they are all racist, too.

That is why I have never liked motley crue, aside from their terrible music. They are a bunch of trashy morons. The utter dregs of society.

[Edited 12/28/10 10:28am]

It's no wonder why Tommy Lee needed a solo career outside of Motley Crue. The whole band suffers every time one band member screws up.

yeah, and when Tommy Lee is the smartest & most respectable member of your group, you know you've got trouble

PDogz said:

Timmy84 said:

How can people who've been oppressed can be oppressors too?

Yeah, I dunno. But some of their philosophy and rhetoric is God-awful. When I used to hear them shout "FIRE!" in many of their songs, I thought they were referring to firing-up a bong, or lighting a joint of some good weed. I never realized until recently that most of them are referring to setting a gay person on fire. And many Reggae songs seem to have some form of that rhetoric somewhere within the lyrics of their songs. Fuck That!

A lot of the time, when one says ''fire bun'' or ''bun chichi man'' it means it in a metaphorical sense, rather than in a literal, physical sense. A declaration of ones dislike of homosexuality.

However, this is not always the case, especially in dancehall where lyrics are often very violent.

ISF said:

PDogz said:

Yeah, I dunno. But some of their philosophy and rhetoric is God-awful. When I used to hear them shout "FIRE!" in many of their songs, I thought they were referring to firing-up a bong, or lighting a joint of some good weed. I never realized until recently that most of them are referring to setting a gay person on fire. And many Reggae songs seem to have some form of that rhetoric somewhere within the lyrics of their songs. Fuck That!

A lot of the time, when one says ''fire bun'' or ''bun chichi man'' it means it in a metaphorical sense, rather than in a literal, physical sense.

THAT makes it better?

NDRU said:

raffi said:

So, it wasn't okay for George Michael to be mature due to being a pop star. However, you slam Mariah for not being mature, and she's younger than George. Double standards galore

good point, but they did go in extreme opposite directions.

GM became boring (which Mariah never was) and Mariah became less mature (less mature than GM ever was) as she got older.

Thank you

I did not say that I was expecting GM to stay in his 80s pop self forever. I just say that I wasn't expecting him to mature (musically) so fast. Throughout the 90s his music was sometimes good sometimes not so good but generally boring (to me). I mean compare him with the rest of the '80s megastars: Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Janet Jackson, hell even Whitney Houston... did any of them did such a u-turn so early in their career going from some of the best pop ever made to middle-of-the-road AC stuff?

And my criticism of him has nothing to do with my criticism for Mariah. They went on opposite directions yes but for both it looked unnatural. Mariah did something that very few artists have done which is part of the reason it looked (and still looks) so unnatural abd GM did what most artists do eventually but he did it way too abruptly and suddenly which is why it looked so unnatural. In both cases it was off-putting to me

PDogz said:

ISF said:

A lot of the time, when one says ''fire bun'' or ''bun chichi man'' it means it in a metaphorical sense, rather than in a literal, physical sense.

THAT makes it better?

Of course it does.

Which do YOU think is worse?

To say that you are against homosexuality, or to encourage people to stab and shoot homosexual people?

ISF said:

PDogz said:

THAT makes it better?

Of course it does.

Which do YOU think is worse?

To say that you are against homosexuality, or to encourage people to stab and shoot homosexual people?

I think that lyrics that speak of stabbing or shooting gay people, whether "metaphorically" or "literally" are equally bad. Speaking metaphorically is not going to encourage people any less to commit bad acts if they are prone to do so in the first place, in my opinion. I feel that artists who speak against homosexuality do encourage some to commit violence against gay people, even when they are speaking "metaphorically".

Moreover, how is anyone supposed to know if when an artist says something like "set gay people on fire!", that they are speaking "metaphorically" or "literally"? Particularly when they are coming from a culture with a long history of committing violence against gay people. How would it sound different in either case? Just as if someone were to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, and 100 people get trampled to death trying to escape, what difference would it make if the person were shouting metaphorically or literally? The outcome would be the same, people died as a result of the word(s) being said.

In either case, it sounds like you're defending hateful rhetoric, whether metaphorical or literal. Though I hope that's not the case, and would assume that we're just splitting hairs, which is something I don't really want to get into.

@ISF It's bad either way. Neither is better than the other. That's like choosing the lesser of two evils so I can't excuse that but hey if it makes you happy...

jiorjios said:

NDRU said:

good point, but they did go in extreme opposite directions.

GM became boring (which Mariah never was) and Mariah became less mature (less mature than GM ever was) as she got older.

Thank you

I did not say that I was expecting GM to stay in his 80s pop self forever. I just say that I wasn't expecting him to mature (musically) so fast. Throughout the 90s his music was sometimes good sometimes not so good but generally boring (to me). I mean compare him with the rest of the '80s megastars: Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Janet Jackson, hell even Whitney Houston... did any of them did such a u-turn so early in their career going from some of the best pop ever made to middle-of-the-road AC stuff?

And my criticism of him has nothing to do with my criticism for Mariah. They went on opposite directions yes but for both it looked unnatural. Mariah did something that very few artists have done which is part of the reason it looked (and still looks) so unnatural abd GM did what most artists do eventually but he did it way too abruptly and suddenly which is why it looked so unnatural. In both cases it was off-putting to me

yes, they are two different artists, it doesn't matter what one did in terms of what the other did.

But I totally agree with both assessments, there is nothing wrong with George maturing, but the fun left his music. He seemed self conscious about wanting to be a "serious" artist. Problem was, he never made innovative or particularly great (in my opinon) music, just serious music. It's possible to make serious music that is still fun and/or interesting. He abandoned what made his music good in the first place and made it boring instead.

And Mariah did not act like a dumb teen at 19, but she does now!

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

TonyVanDam said:

CORRECTION: It was Nikki Sixx, NOT Vince Neil.

I read about that just yesterday....

Me too and all I could think of was " You fucked Vanity you dumb racist sonofabitch!!!"

anyway....

I'm done with R. Kelly cuz he's a panty freak. I will listen to his music but i won't give him my money.

I'm done with RazB...I only bought one B2K single but it's the last he will see of my money because he is turning into a loon and can't hold a constructive conversation with anyone.

I'm done with Kelly Rowland cuz it has finally dawned on me that the heffa is talentless.

I've been done with Britney for some time. Her 5150 incident and locking herself in the bathroom with a gun and her then baby was all I could stand.

I'm totally turned off that Rick Ross is glorifying Big Meech and Larry Hoover, two notorious black crime lords.

I'm turned off by Kanye because it is becoming more evident to me that he worships the devil.

DesireeNevermind said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I read about that just yesterday....

Me too and all I could think of was " You fucked Vanity you dumb racist sonofabitch!!!"

anyway....

I'm done with R. Kelly cuz he's a panty freak. I will listen to his music but i won't give him my money.

I'm done with RazB...I only bought one B2K single but it's the last he will see of my money because he is turning into a loon and can't hold a constructive conversation with anyone.

I'm done with Kelly Rowland cuz it has finally dawned on me that the heffa is talentless.

I've been done with Britney for some time. Her 5150 incident and locking herself in the bathroom with a gun and her then baby was all I could stand.

I'm totally turned off that Rick Ross is glorifying Big Meech and Larry Hoover, two notorious black crime lords.

I'm turned off by Kanye because it is becoming more evident to me that he worships the devil.

Kelly Rowland--Great to look at as long as you have earplugs.

Rick Ross--Never understood the celebration of destructive influences in our community, whether they be drugs or the criminals that peddle them.

Kanye-In the words of Terrell Owens "I love me some me", and Kanye is no different. Kanye is my favorite hip hop artist, but he has become somewhat stranger. After his mom died, its like he had a psychotic split from reality and his art.

^ I tried ear plugs and Kelly's shrill vocals still managed to bust my ear drum.

I cannot stomach rap that glorifies the mafia, drug king pins and ghetto street thugs who caught the eye if the FBI. Rap about your hustle and how you made it out of the ghetto but don't give me this shit about how great criminals are and how you aspire to be like them.

Kanye - ick. Well, I enjoy his music but his image is giving me pause. Something is going on with him and it screams occult. The Power video is what put me over and had me giving Kanye the side eye. There are disturbing images in that video and he did that shit on purpose - not for art either. His socializing with the Kardashians is not helping as I find that family suspicous as hell. Their fame monster has fangs!

DesireeNevermind said:

^ I tried ear plugs and Kelly's shrill vocals still managed to bust my ear drum.

I cannot stomach rap that glorifies the mafia, drug king pins and ghetto street thugs who caught the eye if the FBI. Rap about your hustle and how you made it out of the ghetto but don't give me this shit about how great criminals are and how you aspire to be like them.

Kanye - ick. Well, I enjoy his music but his image is giving me pause. Something is going on with him and it screams occult. The Power video is what put me over and had me giving Kanye the side eye. There are disturbing images in that video and he did that shit on purpose - not for art either. His socializing with the Kardashians is not helping as I find that family suspicous as hell. Their fame monster has fangs!

With the Power video, it is what it is, but it is very different. Sometimes I think he tries really hard to stand out and in the process, loses people. If anything turns me off of Kanye, it would be making a bad album and he's usually been on point.

The Kardashians are just fame leeches and will dick ride anyone to stay relevant.

R. Kelly. . .when a woman loves song really turned me off. I don't think he knows what loving "foreal" is with a 60's stevie wonder undertone. I mean like really " she took me back after i broke her heart about 1000 times". If that is the definition in Merriam Webster's dictionary about that how a woman loves "foreal", then I am really running in the other direction.

Prince. . .great Artist, genius really, but after Emancipation the apocolaypse like came and stuart little was in a panic.

Kesha. . .Tick Tok off the radar please and stop using drugs as metaphors for love.

Rihanna. . .Her songs are ok, but after that whole CB incident. She lost her mind.

Kanye West. . .I hated that freaky Power vid , and stop acting like you lost your damn mind!

Chris Brown. . .enuff said

Britney Spears. . .her voice is annoying, but her songs are catchy.period.

done.

DesireeNevermind said:

^ I tried ear plugs and Kelly's shrill vocals still managed to bust my ear drum.

I cannot stomach rap that glorifies the mafia, drug king pins and ghetto street thugs who caught the eye if the FBI. Rap about your hustle and how you made it out of the ghetto but don't give me this shit about how great criminals are and how you aspire to be like them.

Kanye - ick. Well, I enjoy his music but his image is giving me pause. Something is going on with him and it screams occult. The Power video is what put me over and had me giving Kanye the side eye. There are disturbing images in that video and he did that shit on purpose - not for art either. His socializing with the Kardashians is not helping as I find that family suspicous as hell. Their fame monster has fangs!

There's someone to blame for the Kardashian fiasco.....

RAY J

bboy87 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

^ I tried ear plugs and Kelly's shrill vocals still managed to bust my ear drum.

I cannot stomach rap that glorifies the mafia, drug king pins and ghetto street thugs who caught the eye if the FBI. Rap about your hustle and how you made it out of the ghetto but don't give me this shit about how great criminals are and how you aspire to be like them.

Kanye - ick. Well, I enjoy his music but his image is giving me pause. Something is going on with him and it screams occult. The Power video is what put me over and had me giving Kanye the side eye. There are disturbing images in that video and he did that shit on purpose - not for art either. His socializing with the Kardashians is not helping as I find that family suspicous as hell. Their fame monster has fangs!

There's someone to blame for the Kardashian fiasco.....

RAY J

They need to ban horse mouth from making any pornos.

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R Kelly - Having sex with underage girls (I wouldn't care if he pissed on adult women, nasty guy lol)

Ray Charles - His support for Israel (I have read this in a few sorces, I can't guarentee it is 100% fact)

Mariah Carey - Going from having a great voice and releasing great music, to a hoe who can't sing and releases shit music. I wouldn't mind if she turned into a hoe and still released good music! lol

Prince - Prancing around in make up and womens underwear. It's kind of off putting, but he's made amazing music so I don't care, too much. That song ''Sister'' however is fucked up sick twisted shit

Having said all this, I still listen to these artists music

[Edited 12/31/10 12:28pm]

I'll always love The Beatles, but I can't stand post-Beatles John Lennon. The more I read about him or see in documentaries, the more I find to dislike. I really don't think his solo work is any good either, except for a greatest hits compilation.

MelinaB said:

Rihanna. She turned into a stupid bitch.

First she gets her ass beat by Chris Brown, which was, of course, a terrible thing and everyone symphathized for her...but then this fool turns around and gets back together with the dipshit that kicked her ass. Strike 1. I was waiting for Mary J Blige to swoop down and smack some sense into her.

Then naked photos get leaked -- strike 2. You'd think as a celebrity, you'd know that if you take naked photos of yourself, they WILL get leaked. NOTHING IS PRIVATE IN YOUR LIFE ANYMORE BITCH. And if you WANTED them to get leaked, you still a dumb bitch.

Then she goes on some radio show and says she feels sorry for any guys that don't get naked photos of their girlfriends. STRIKE FUCKING 3. What a stupid thing to say, especially when there's girls who look up to you. She went from this cute girl from Barbados to the typical pop slut. Thanks for being so unique, hoe.

Rant over.

Oh yeah, and fuck you too, Chris Brown. Punk ass bitch.

Oh mah lawd! I can't breathe!

But yes, I have a few I'm pissed with.

Kanye West: Get over yourself, you self-righteous, pretentious son of a bitch! You are NOT Michael Jackson and you never will be! That goes for you too, Usher!

Usher: see Kanye West

R. Kelly: Sure that wasn't you on the tape. As Cedric the Entertainer once said, he was set up...set up the camera that is Stone pervert...

Ke$ha: bitch I never liked you. And popularizing Jeffrey Dahmer in your song didn't endear you to me.

Beyoncé: Videophone??? FO'REAL???

Prince: The way he treated Mayte...*sigh. And that new hair ain't doin' him favours neither!

Quincy: goin' crazy in his old age.

Chris Brown:....fuck you, you pretentious, woman-beating ass! (yeah I cursed. I curse once a year, and todays that damn day )

and idk why y'all mentioning the Kardashians. No talent, no nothing twits the lot of them.

raffi said:

shorttrini said:

It was mainly my mom's doing, because my dad was always working so hard, the only time we got to see him, was in the morning before school and on weekends. My mom would tell us all about our culture. She would tell us stories about her father, who was Chinese, her mom who was spanish and how they came to Trinidad to make a life for themselves and their 5 kids. My dad, (when he was home), would talk about his parents and their lives in Trinidad. What they did not tell me, I found out on my own.

Well, that's beautiful Mariah's mom didn't do that. Did you have people burning down your house, poisoning your dogs, burning crosses on your lawn, and blowing up your cars. Mariah did.

I never knew that. Where did you hear it?

[Edited 12/31/10 20:17pm]

SherryJackson said:

Stone pervert...

Just like Michael Jackson