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Printablewhatsgoingon said: MOL said:  Yes, that's true. I just fail to see what's so relevant in that fact. He was an insomniac who wanted to sleep hence the Propofol use. He used it whenever he was on tour post 1993. MJ was desperate to sleep, tired. So when he was on tour, he needed to rest. So, he hired a doctor to put him to sleep everynight so he wouldn't be tired the next day and, consequently, be capable of presenting a good show. Dr. Ionache was the other doctor who gave Propofol to him. And you know what he said? "Michael wasn't a drug addict." and even told a story about Michael giving money to one of his patients. The funniest part of it: you just read the part of the interview in which the guy said he had given Michael Propofol. You "forgot" to read the part in which Ionache talks about Michael NOT being a drug addict. Just like Cherilyn Lee said: "Michael Jackson wasn't a drug addict. He just wanted to sleep.".
To sum up: Jackson took Propofol when he was on tour so that he would be able to rest, since he was an insomniac. He wasn't addicted to it, he simply wanted to sleep. So, he hires doctors to put him to sleep safely. And here, Whatgoingon, is where you realize you were the one who missed the point. You can advance to the "you're an worshipper" argument. It may be the only one you have left. The fact of the matter is, most people will not take propofol no matter how serve their insomnia is. MJ had obviously built up tolerance to more traditional sleeping medication, that in itself is a kind of addiction, if he had to take propofol now and again to sleep. Don't kid yourself to think that is normal behaviour for someone who suffers from insominia no matter how serve their problem is. The thing about you guys you see addictions as a hard-core druggie living on the street, shooting up every minute. Drug addiction comes in various forms. NORMAL behaviour? Hey (!), we are talking about Michael Jackson!
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WaterInYourBath said: From Miss Diana Ross' May 15, 2010 concert in Boston:
Dang, this is sad.  She sang "Missing You," JUST like I expected. Oh man....  I tried not to cry and failed. | |
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bboy87 said: WildStyle said: Hmm... first verse live, the rest of it lip synched. 
I was talking to a guy who mixed the first 2 shows Michael did at Wembley for the Bad tour, and he said Michael always sang live but to the prerecorded vocals. The tapes he has of the shows has Michael singing completely live, even to songs he lipsynched to (Smooth Criminal, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel) I was watching "Another Part Of Me" of his live tour, and it appears that he sang that song all the way live. I enjoyed it. However, people should understand that no singer can do so many tours, singing live. | |
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I was curious, suppose those bullshit charges and devil Sneddon hadn't entered the picture in 2003, what would have happened to Michael's career in that period instead?
Michael had planned to release "Number Ones" and he even filmed the video for "One More Chance." (Was it simply a b-side for Invincible or recorded newly for that hits collection?) Was there talk of a new album coming soon after that hits collection? Would he have done another one of his birthday events for his fans at Neverland? I remember seeing him at some awards show with Chris Tucker accepting some award, and doing some press for "What More Can I Give" The kicker is...before the trial and the charges all came about, Michael was starting to be more open about his life. He did the Private Home Movies TV special and before that, the Take 2 counter TV show to Bashit's documentary. [Edited 5/19/10 15:45pm] MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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bboy87 said: WildStyle said: Hmm... first verse live, the rest of it lip synched.
I was talking to a guy who mixed the first 2 shows Michael did at Wembley for the Bad tour, and he said Michael always sang live but to the prerecorded vocals. The tapes he has of the shows has Michael singing completely live, even to songs he lipsynched to (Smooth Criminal, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel) are there still dvd plans for those shows ? | |
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Marrk said: Layzie said: ^^ So you think the Jacksons are lying about the 'interventions' to save face? Some of them can definitely come across as shady, but what reason would Janet have to lie?
Cause she's lazily going with the flow? It's all a pretence, unity, family honour, The Jacksons Dynasty bullshit. They're as fake as they come. I've washed my hands of the sorry, lazy, money-grubbing Jacksons this last year. I look forward to 'new' music from Michael in the future, if it includes work with his brothers, i'll reluctantly have to put up with that. But really, fuck the rest of those useless, lazy, talent-challenged siblings. As far as previous interventions are concerned, there was talk of such things way before Michael's death, and the family (and Janet) being involved concerned over Michael's use of alcohol - specifically wine. This was prior to 2005. So I don't think Janet is lazily going along with the flow - she is just letting us know about the human behind the icon. Michael was a human after all, he wasn't immune to the impacts of life, and we all know he suffered more ridicule and persecution than any one should have to, but he, like all of us, made mistakes along the way. This doesn't make hima a bad person, or less talented. If anything it makes him more real. There is, however, a big difference between being a drug addict and being overly dependant on medications to help sleep. There is no doubt Michael had built up a tolerance to medication for insomnia which may have lead him to the use of Propofol. But to classify him as a "drug addict" which by insinuation implies "hard drugs" like cocaine, crack etc is just lazy journalism. "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Vanilli said: I was curious, suppose those bullshit charges and devil Sneddon hadn't entered the picture in 2003, what would have happened to Michael's career in that period instead?
Michael had planned to release "Number Ones" and he even filmed the video for "One More Chance." (Was it simply a b-side for Invincible or recorded newly for that hits collection?) Was there talk of a new album coming soon after that hits collection? Would he have done another one of his birthday events for his fans at Neverland? I remember seeing him at some awards show with Chris Tucker accepting some award, and doing some press for "What More Can I Give" The kicker is...before the trial and the charges all came about, Michael was starting to be more open about his life. He did the Private Home Movies TV special and before that, the Take 2 counter TV show to Bashit's documentary. [Edited 5/19/10 15:45pm] Yeah there was talk he was working on a new album. He had big plans for his hits set actually. The trial was possibly the beginning of the end though like the trial, his eventual death was avoidable too.  | |
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 @ Diana's performance. | |
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angel345 said: bboy87 said:
I was talking to a guy who mixed the first 2 shows Michael did at Wembley for the Bad tour, and he said Michael always sang live but to the prerecorded vocals. The tapes he has of the shows has Michael singing completely live, even to songs he lipsynched to (Smooth Criminal, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel) I was watching "Another Part Of Me" of his live tour, and it appears that he sang that song all the way live. I enjoyed it. However, people should understand that no singer can do so many tours, singing live. Another Part Of Me was always live
The Bad Tour Wanna Be Startin Somethin- live Heartbreak Hotel- live Another Part Of Me- live I Just Can't Stop Loving You- live She's Out Of My Life- live J5 Medley-live Rock With You- live Human Nature- live Smooth Criminal- half lipsynched (the first shows of the 88 leg, it was completely live) Dirty Diana- live Thriller- live Workin' Day And Night- live Beat It- live Billie Jean- live Bad- half lipsynched (the first shows of the 88 leg was live) The Way You Make Me Feel (same as Smooth Criminal and Bad) Man In The Mirror (varied) "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Swa said: Marrk said: Cause she's lazily going with the flow? It's all a pretence, unity, family honour, The Jacksons Dynasty bullshit. They're as fake as they come. I've washed my hands of the sorry, lazy, money-grubbing Jacksons this last year. I look forward to 'new' music from Michael in the future, if it includes work with his brothers, i'll reluctantly have to put up with that. But really, fuck the rest of those useless, lazy, talent-challenged siblings. As far as previous interventions are concerned, there was talk of such things way before Michael's death, and the family (and Janet) being involved concerned over Michael's use of alcohol - specifically wine. This was prior to 2005. So I don't think Janet is lazily going along with the flow - she is just letting us know about the human behind the icon. Michael was a human after all, he wasn't immune to the impacts of life, and we all know he suffered more ridicule and persecution than any one should have to, but he, like all of us, made mistakes along the way. This doesn't make hima a bad person, or less talented. If anything it makes him more real. There is, however, a big difference between being a drug addict and being overly dependant on medications to help sleep. There is no doubt Michael had built up a tolerance to medication for insomnia which may have lead him to the use of Propofol. But to classify him as a "drug addict" which by insinuation implies "hard drugs" like cocaine, crack etc is just lazy journalism. there were rumors but the family denied them so it's hard to know when the events happened... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Vanilli said: I was curious, suppose those bullshit charges and devil Sneddon hadn't entered the picture in 2003, what would have happened to Michael's career in that period instead?
Michael had planned to release "Number Ones" and he even filmed the video for "One More Chance." (Was it simply a b-side for Invincible or recorded newly for that hits collection?) Was there talk of a new album coming soon after that hits collection? Would he have done another one of his birthday events for his fans at Neverland? I remember seeing him at some awards show with Chris Tucker accepting some award, and doing some press for "What More Can I Give" The kicker is...before the trial and the charges all came about, Michael was starting to be more open about his life. He did the Private Home Movies TV special and before that, the Take 2 counter TV show to Bashit's documentary. [Edited 5/19/10 15:45pm] I was told One More Chance was done after Invincible and yeah, there were plans for a new album and maybe a tour but the trial changed that "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Swa said: Marrk said: Cause she's lazily going with the flow? It's all a pretence, unity, family honour, The Jacksons Dynasty bullshit. They're as fake as they come. I've washed my hands of the sorry, lazy, money-grubbing Jacksons this last year. I look forward to 'new' music from Michael in the future, if it includes work with his brothers, i'll reluctantly have to put up with that. But really, fuck the rest of those useless, lazy, talent-challenged siblings. As far as previous interventions are concerned, there was talk of such things way before Michael's death, and the family (and Janet) being involved concerned over Michael's use of alcohol - specifically wine. This was prior to 2005. So I don't think Janet is lazily going along with the flow - she is just letting us know about the human behind the icon. Those rumors were denied by MJ's family. The same family who, back then, denied rumors that MJ was a booze (I think it was booze and not wine) and drug addict is now everywhere calling him a junkie due to reasons I've specified. | |
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bboy87 said: Vanilli said: I was curious, suppose those bullshit charges and devil Sneddon hadn't entered the picture in 2003, what would have happened to Michael's career in that period instead?
Michael had planned to release "Number Ones" and he even filmed the video for "One More Chance." (Was it simply a b-side for Invincible or recorded newly for that hits collection?) Was there talk of a new album coming soon after that hits collection? Would he have done another one of his birthday events for his fans at Neverland? I remember seeing him at some awards show with Chris Tucker accepting some award, and doing some press for "What More Can I Give" The kicker is...before the trial and the charges all came about, Michael was starting to be more open about his life. He did the Private Home Movies TV special and before that, the Take 2 counter TV show to Bashit's documentary. [Edited 5/19/10 15:45pm] I was told One More Chance was done after Invincible and yeah, there were plans for a new album and maybe a tour but the trial changed that I think the video was finished: 
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Michael's last real music video... 
We better get to see this one day. MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010...hriller-says-ex
Michael Jackson's former friend and supposed financial advisor Leonard Rowe is planning a tell-all book about the King of Pop. But even before the book is released, Rowe's former publicist has poured scorn on the exposé, accusing the music manager of being less than loyal to Jackson and his family. "Rowe had been working on this book before Michael passed away and it was not going to be favorable," Cataunya Ransom told RadarOnline.com, in an exclusive interview. "Rowe wanted to expose Michael... he had no good intentions and just wanted to ride off Michael's name." Rowe's one-time advisor added: "The original plan Rowe had was to use Michael's name and have a bombshell book to gain for himself. Now his book can't be all bad stuff about Michael because if it's bad he'll burn his relationship with the Jackson's and he can't afford to do that." Rowe, who is no relation to Michael's ex-wife Debbie Rowe, remains a close confidant with family patriarch Joe Jackson. Ransom said it was Joe who hatched the plan for Rowe to represent Michael. "I don't believe that Rowe was ever Michael's financial advisor like he says he was," Ransom said. "Joe Jackson and Rowe faxed out a release saying that Rowe would be representing Michael." But as RadarOnline.com has previously reported, Michael fired Rowe via a written letter, stating: "This is to inform you that you do not represent me and I do not wish to have any oral or written communications with you regarding the handling of my business and/or personal matters." Rowe spent time in federal prison in the early 90's after being convicted of wire fraud for his role in the cashing of a fraudulent insurance check and also has multiple arrests for writing bad checks. Rowe has also been successfully sued by artists R. Kelly and Ne-Yo. Kelly was awarded over three million dollars that was formally settled on April 9, 2009. Ne-Yo sued him for over $700K and the case was settled in September 2008. "He has a very unfavorable past," Ransom said of Rowe. "Was Rowe a loyal friend to Michael? No, he wasn't. He's driven by greed." "I don't know why the Jackson's trust him [Rowe] so much. He used to tell me all the time how weird he thought Michael was. "Before he died, Michael wasn't even talking to his family. When they went to trial Michael would just go in his room afterwards and not talk to any of them. It's unfortunate. "Michael was good to his family though. When he'd perform with his brothers he always took the same salary as they did even though he was the headliner. He wanted everything split among him and his brothers equally. "After Michael would perform he was always, always reading the Bible. He was extremely religious." Ransom told RadarOnline.com that Rowe wished to remain in good graces with the Jackson family so he can profit off of them. "The Jackson's have big plans. They want to do concerts in Las Vegas and re-create Michael through holograms to be on stage with them," Ransom said. "Rowe wants in on the opportunity to brand Michael." | |
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Vanilli said: I don't believe it. The family is taking very careful steps that the photos are never released "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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MOL said: whatsgoingon said: The fact of the matter is, most people will not take propofol no matter how serve their insomnia is. MJ had obviously built up tolerance to more traditional sleeping medication, that in itself is a kind of addiction, if he had to take propofol now and again to sleep. Don't kid yourself to think that is normal behaviour for someone who suffers from insominia no matter how serve their problem is. The thing about you guys you see addictions as a hard-core druggie living on the street, shooting up every minute. Drug addiction comes in various forms. NORMAL behaviour? Hey (!), we are talking about Michael Jackson!
"Normal behaviour" isn't exactly an expression that can be used in the same sentence as "Michael Jackson". Excuse me..but what, to you, is normal? I think the word normal is like democracy....it has no suitable, agreed-upon definition. | |
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bboy87 said: Vanilli said: I don't believe it. The family is taking very careful steps that the photos are never released I don't believe it either. If anything leaks, it's gonna be a bunch of photo-shopped garbage that's just gonna upset a lot of fans and will provide fodder for haters.  Woe is me... | |
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seeingvoices12 said: more pics
According to his makeup artist, Karen Faye, he didn't get a chance to complete the video. It was ended abruptly because the allegations began and his home was being raided. So maybe there will be a release of the partial footage that was recorded "If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson | |
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bboy87 said: Vanilli said: I was curious, suppose those bullshit charges and devil Sneddon hadn't entered the picture in 2003, what would have happened to Michael's career in that period instead?
Michael had planned to release "Number Ones" and he even filmed the video for "One More Chance." (Was it simply a b-side for Invincible or recorded newly for that hits collection?) Was there talk of a new album coming soon after that hits collection? Would he have done another one of his birthday events for his fans at Neverland? I remember seeing him at some awards show with Chris Tucker accepting some award, and doing some press for "What More Can I Give" The kicker is...before the trial and the charges all came about, Michael was starting to be more open about his life. He did the Private Home Movies TV special and before that, the Take 2 counter TV show to Bashit's documentary. [Edited 5/19/10 15:45pm] I was told One More Chance was done after Invincible and yeah, there were plans for a new album and maybe a tour but the trial changed that Michael was definitely being more open. Before the allegations in 2003, he was in the process of filming a documentary (his cameras only) about doing projects in different countries. It's briefly discussed here "If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson | |
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Although I'd still love to see that footage of the video... heck, I'll see any footage of Mike!
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 "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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WaterInYourBath said: From Miss Diana Ross' May 15, 2010 concert in Boston:
Dang, this is sad. She sang "Missing You," JUST like I expected. Oh man.... A few months ago when she announced her tour,I knew that she was gonna do something like this. | |
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bboy87 said: May 08th, 2010: Japan: Paper Sleeve Reissue CD's (Limited Edition)
Michael Jackson's cardboard sleeve (mini LP) reissues will be re-released in answer to requests from fans all over the world. The eleven-album Michael Jackson and The Jacksons cardboard sleeve (mini LP) reissue series feature the following albums: Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, The Jacksons, Goin' Places, Destiny, Triumph, The Jacksons Live, and Victory. And remarkably, "Invincible," which was originally released in 2001 as Michael Jackson's last original album, is also part of the carboard sleeve (mini LP) reissue series for the first time. The sleeve artwork replicates the sleeve design of the US first pressing edition. Also, MJ's priced-down reissues will be released and almost all of them feature the digital remastering (2001 - 2010). The eleven-album Michael Jackson and The Jacksons cardboard sleeve (mini LP) reissue series feature the following albums: Off The Wall, Thriller, BAD, Dangerous, HIStory, Invicible, Essential Jacksons, The Jacksons, Goin' Places, Destiny, Triumph, The Jacksons Live, Victory, and 2300 Jackson Street. These reissues are avaiable for a limited time only PREORDER AT CD JAPAN http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/...d&media=CD 
 I'm gonna order a few of these! I need the two Gamble and Huff-produced albums from the mid-70s. | |
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bboy87 said: WildStyle said: Hmm... first verse live, the rest of it lip synched.
I was talking to a guy who mixed the first 2 shows Michael did at Wembley for the Bad tour, and he said Michael always sang live but to the prerecorded vocals. The tapes he has of the shows has Michael singing completely live, even to songs he lipsynched to (Smooth Criminal, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel) That kind of sounds like what's going on here. Although to me it sounds so silly. Why exert all that energy singing and not let the fans hear it? Tell that guy to get leaking  | |
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WildStyle said: bboy87 said:
I was talking to a guy who mixed the first 2 shows Michael did at Wembley for the Bad tour, and he said Michael always sang live but to the prerecorded vocals. The tapes he has of the shows has Michael singing completely live, even to songs he lipsynched to (Smooth Criminal, Bad, and The Way You Make Me Feel) That kind of sounds like what's going on here. Although to me it sounds so silly. Why exert all that energy singing and not let the fans hear it? Tell that guy to get leaking are they mixed for a release or what ? thats the thing im most excited about , possible live dvd of a bad tour | |
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SoulAlive said: How is the sound quality? Are these actual remasters,or just reissues?
They're just reissues, but they are using the most recent mastered versions of course, and some were done in the 00s. | |
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