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PrintablePurpleColossus said: He's not on that list because he makes good music, him being on that list is simply a reflection of how the quality of music (in general) has been going down in recent times.
[Edited 5/8/10 17:11pm] Everyone always looks at the past with rose-tinted shade. Oh, back in the day when things was so much betta... WHATEVAH!  | |
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laurarichardson said: TonyVanDam said: Usher is in great company with Michael & Madonna as THE only artists to have a #1 hit on the Hot 100 Singles Charts (USA) within 3 different decades. THIS^ is something Elvis, The Beatles, The Bee Gees, & Prince NEVER done. ----- I wish some of you would stop including P in these types of catogories. Do any of you think "Head" or "Sister" would have been number one songs? Are any of the dozens of raunchy ass songs that P recorded? P has sold over 40 million cds according to Billboard and that is not a small amount of music to have moved over the last 30 years. I seriously doubt if Usher is ever goning to pull that off. Prince has released like 25 studio CDs and then compilations which have shifted like 8 million combined. Usher has released only 6, with no comp sets and halfway through, the market collapsed. If the market was in good shape today, Usher would easily surpass Prince's career sales in the next decade. But with everyone stealing everything, nobody is shifting albums anymore. His new album would be a smashing success if it shifts 2 million. The days of 13 mil ala Purple Rain r OVA. All time Billboard Hot 100: #16- prince #21- Usher Usher's single placings on BB100: #1 OMG #24 Hey Daddy #40 Lil Freak #66 There Goes My Baby He currently has over 185 million audience impressions with those songs. Usher is still cranking out hits and is easily the mosy (over)played male artist on radio today. Its only a matter of time. [Edited 5/8/10 18:19pm] | |
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Ch...he's already ahead of Prince.  | |
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He's overrated. | |
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Not bad for an artist with no originality. | |
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Timmy84 said: That was for the "Poetic Justice" soundtrack.  I don't remember besides from "Again" anyone who was not Janet not having a hit with any of their songs.  I don't even think 2Pac recorded a song for that soundtrack.That movie and sndtk were both piles of shit, but that's a different thread. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: Timmy84 said: That was for the "Poetic Justice" soundtrack. I don't remember besides from "Again" anyone who was not Janet not having a hit with any of their songs. I don't even think 2Pac recorded a song for that soundtrack.That movie and sndtk were both piles of shit, but that's a different thread. Before YouTube took it down, there was a great parody of that movie from "In Living Color". [Edited 5/8/10 18:25pm] | |
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midiscover said: laurarichardson said: ----- I wish some of you would stop including P in these types of catogories. Do any of you think "Head" or "Sister" would have been number one songs? Are any of the dozens of raunchy ass songs that P recorded? P has sold over 40 million cds according to Billboard and that is not a small amount of music to have moved over the last 30 years. I seriously doubt if Usher is ever goning to pull that off. 
Usher sold 45 million albums worldwide which is well over Prince's amount. 
Slow ur roll. Usher has NOT sold more albums than P!!! P has sold like 100 million albums WW, not 45! Usher is at like 32 million WW. Remember that Usher ha sonly had 3 big selling albums. He's doing good, btu he will never surpass P's album sales. Esppecially with the state of the market. | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said:
Usher sold 45 million albums worldwide which is well over Prince's amount.
Slow ur roll. Usher has NOT sold more albums than P!!! P has sold like 100 million albums WW, not 45! Usher is at like 32 million WW. Remember that Usher ha sonly had 3 big selling albums. He's doing good, btu he will never surpass P's album sales. Esppecially with the state of the market. 100 million ALBUMS my black ass! I just took the 45 million number from a press release. And I never said he will surpass Prince's album/record sales because I know he won't but he will obviously surpass him as far as Billboard success goes. | |
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midiscover said: sleepyq said:
Slow ur roll. Usher has NOT sold more albums than P!!! P has sold like 100 million albums WW, not 45! Usher is at like 32 million WW. Remember that Usher ha sonly had 3 big selling albums. He's doing good, btu he will never surpass P's album sales. Esppecially with the state of the market. 100 million ALBUMS my black ass! I just took the 45 million number from a press release. And I never said he will surpass Prince's album/record sales because I know he won't but he will obviously surpass him as far as Billboard success goes.
Psh. Usher will surpass P on Billboard's list by next year!
But P is like Janet. His 80s albums r undercertified. He has sold almost 50 million albums in America alone. All his 80s album went at least platinum. that shit adds up. Dirty Mind- 2 mil Controversy- 2.5 mil 1999- 6 mil Purple Rain- 21.5 Around the World in a Day- 5 mil parade- 4.5 mil Sign o the Times- 4.5 mil Lovesexy- 3.5 mil Batman- 6 mil His 80s albums alone sold over 55 million WW. And Diamonds & Perals and the hit packages did really well in the 90s. P is way ahead of Usher in albnum sales, Usher will never catch up, even if the market had stayed healthym his WW sales rnt storng enough. | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: 100 million ALBUMS my black ass! I just took the 45 million number from a press release. And I never said he will surpass Prince's album/record sales because I know he won't but he will obviously surpass him as far as Billboard success goes.
Psh. Usher will surpass P on Billboard's list by next year!
But P is like Janet. His 80s albums r undercertified. He has sold almost 50 million albums in America alone. All his 80s album went at least platinum. that shit adds up. Dirty Mind- 2 mil Controversy- 2.5 mil 1999- 6 mil Purple Rain- 21.5 Around the World in a Day- 5 mil parade- 4.5 mil Sign o the Times- 4.5 mil Lovesexy- 3.5 mil Batman- 6 mil His 80s albums alone sold over 55 million WW. And Diamonds & Perals and the hit packages did really well in the 90s. P is way ahead of Usher in albnum sales, Usher will never catch up, even if the market had stayed healthym his WW sales rnt storng enough. There is a catch..... 1. Dirty Mind& Controversy didn't receive gold status (500,000 copies sold) until the success of the album AND movie Purple Rain. 2. The only numbers that Prince himself ever disputed is the information concerning how many copies of Purple Rain were sold. Yes, the number of copies in the North America is 16 million+. But what about the number of copies throughout Europe, Asia, Oceania, & South America that were never counted for?!? | |
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TonyVanDam said: sleepyq said:
Psh. Usher will surpass P on Billboard's list by next year!
But P is like Janet. His 80s albums r undercertified. He has sold almost 50 million albums in America alone. All his 80s album went at least platinum. that shit adds up. Dirty Mind- 2 mil Controversy- 2.5 mil 1999- 6 mil Purple Rain- 21.5 Around the World in a Day- 5 mil parade- 4.5 mil Sign o the Times- 4.5 mil Lovesexy- 3.5 mil Batman- 6 mil His 80s albums alone sold over 55 million WW. And Diamonds & Perals and the hit packages did really well in the 90s. P is way ahead of Usher in albnum sales, Usher will never catch up, even if the market had stayed healthym his WW sales rnt storng enough. There is a catch..... 1. Dirty Mind& Controversy didn't receive gold status (500,000 copies sold) until the success of the album AND movie Purple Rain. 2. The only numbers that Prince himself ever disputed is the information concerning how many copies of Purple Rain were sold. Yes, the number of copies in the North America is 16 million+. But what about the number of copies throughout Europe, Asia, Oceania, & South America that were never counted for?!? how's that a catch regarding the discussion at hand? [Edited 5/8/10 20:04pm] | |
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errant said: TonyVanDam said: There is a catch..... 1. Dirty Mind& Controversy didn't receive gold status (500,000 copies sold) until the success of the album AND movie Purple Rain. 2. The only numbers that Prince himself ever disputed is the information concerning how many copies of Purple Rain were sold. Yes, the number of copies in the North America is 16 million+. But what about the number of copies throughout Europe, Asia, Oceania, & South America that were never counted for?!? how's that a catch regarding the discussion at hand? [Edited 5/8/10 20:04pm] Without the existence of the success generated from PR, Dirty Mind & Controversy would have been 2 of Prince's worst selling albums of his career. That's how. Errant, you have to know how to brainstorm these things a lot better. | |
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TonyVanDam said: errant said: how's that a catch regarding the discussion at hand? [Edited 5/8/10 20:04pm] Without the existence of the success generated from PR, Dirty Mind & Controversy would have been 2 of Prince's worst selling albums of his career. That's how. Errant, you have to know how to brainstorm these things a lot better. did i miss something? i thought the discussion is about who's sold the most albums overall, not why or when. | |
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Comparing album sales and chart placements from different decades is problematic to say the least.
and if "OMG" is a hit, that tells you what rates these days | |
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Those who say Usher has sold more records than Prince are misinformed. He's done about 22 million in the states while Prince is close to 40 million. Worldwide the gap is even bigger. Their international appeal isn't even debatable.
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sleepyq said: Vanilli said: 
Usher, Michael Jackson isn't a musical genre. 3 decades of ripping off a real legend shouldn't count for much, but apparently in this day and age it does.
Usher is NOT an MJ clone. He has way more sex appeal, is way less pop/rock, more street styled, and doesn't lipsynch in concert. Whomever he is inspired by, Usher is his own artist, he has all the love and respect for MJ, and has given him all the credit and praise in the world. Why does it make u mad that he is so successful? MJ did his James Brown impersonations, Usher can do whateva da fuck he wants, so please STFU and move on wit ur life.  In other words, Michael gave us "PYT" and Usher gave us "OMG" | |
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errant said: TonyVanDam said: Without the existence of the success generated from PR, Dirty Mind & Controversy would have been 2 of Prince's worst selling albums of his career. That's how. Errant, you have to know how to brainstorm these things a lot better. did i miss something? i thought the discussion is about who's sold the most albums overall, not why or when. The discussion WAS initially just about Usher but of course... | |
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Timmy84 said: errant said: did i miss something? i thought the discussion is about who's sold the most albums overall, not why or when. The discussion WAS initially just about Usher but of course...  | |
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errant said: Timmy84 said: The discussion WAS initially just about Usher but of course... | |
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Cinnie said: Comparing album sales and chart placements from different decades is problematic to say the least.
and if "OMG" is a hit, that tells you what rates these days .....which also means that it should be very easy for one of us to FINALLY have a #1 hit. Right? | |
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Timmy84 said: errant said: did i miss something? i thought the discussion is about who's sold the most albums overall, not why or when. The discussion WAS initially just about Usher but of course... OFF-TOPIC: Well THIS is prince. org, where the topic can change OR not at any time in any thread. That's how we roll!  | |
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TonyVanDam said: Cinnie said: Comparing album sales and chart placements from different decades is problematic to say the least.
and if "OMG" is a hit, that tells you what rates these days .....which also means that it should be very easy for one of us to FINALLY have a #1 hit. Right? Well I don't know about that but it shouldn't be used to start comparing catalogs | |
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Timmy84 said: I remembered Usher's first song in 1993. "Like a Mack", he was what Beaver is now.
A 15-year-old who thought he was so hot with the ladies. Then he put out that album a year later or whatever it was, '94 or '95 not sure, with Puffy looking over it, and it bombed, I think.
First time I played My Way, I remember thinking "he's the next Bobby Brown". That was the only time I actually enjoyed him. "U Make Me Wanna" was one of the SONGS of 1997, I still remember trying to do the moves on the video.
Then after what was like a year of Usher, he disappeared again after three hit singles. When he reappeared, LaFace had to readjust because the expected follow-up leaked and that "Pop Your Collar" mess was one of the worst things I ever heard. 8701 was full of MJ leftovers from Invincible that MJ didn't wanna record. He just started to become a nuisance so I lost interest. You couldn't escape him in 2004 but the album I burned it and only listened to it twice before putting it in the trashcan. My cousin, who's six months older than me, liked it though. He likes Usher's latest. I don't, but congrats I guess lol MICHAEL JACKSON
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Sorry to go off track but does anyone think a deceased MJ can score further hits on Billboard? |
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Marrk said: Sorry to go off track but does anyone think a deceased MJ can score further hits on Billboard?
If they promote the music right, yeah I can't see why not. John Lennon got a number-one after his death ("Woman") so it can happen. | |
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WaterInYourBath said: Vanilli said:
Usher, Michael Jackson isn't a musical genre. 3 decades of ripping off a real legend shouldn't count for much, but apparently in this day and age it does. Oh yes he is. Thanks to dudes like Usher.
For the past "3 decades" we've had the genres of R&B, Pop, Soul, Neo-Soul, Hip-Hop, Rap, Rock, Country, Heavy Metal, and Michael Jackson. I just love it.  Well said! MJ is certianly a whole genre. Just needs adding to the preset categories on itunes/windows media player and the like I might custom add it to my own player hehe.
I do like Usher btw, and omg is a great funky tune | |
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Marrk said: Sorry to go off track but does anyone think a deceased MJ can score further hits on Billboard?
Everyone who isn't a Jackson but has their hand in the pot somehow will see to it. [Edited 5/9/10 6:30am] | |
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Marrk said: Sorry to go off track but does anyone think a deceased MJ can score further hits on Billboard?
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