Timmy84 said: cborgman said: pssst.... gladys. abner was her husband. Gladys... See what the Jacksons made me do? the jacksons have a negative effect on us all, i think. perhaps janet is the antichrist. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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That does it... MODS! | |
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Timmy84 said: That does it... MODS!
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cborgman said: Timmy84 said: Gladys... See what the Jacksons made me do? the jacksons have a negative effect on us all, i think. perhaps janet is the antichrist. | |
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scriptgirl said: I am talking about the GIF Mdiscover posted in post 188 of this thread. That is Eartha and that is the shit that is gonna send me into therapy.
O I'm sorry about that girl!! | |
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midiscover said: cborgman said: the jacksons have a negative effect on us all, i think. perhaps janet is the antichrist. no, you're right. the antichrist would be far more talented. :rimshot: Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: Timmy84 said: Gladys... See what the Jacksons made me do? the jacksons have a negative effect on us all, i think. perhaps janet is the antichrist. Nah that's La Toya. Janet is my girl. lol | |
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cborgman said: midiscover said: no, you're right. the antichrist would be far more talented. :rimshot: Oh so in that case (according to you) that would be MJ? | |
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midiscover said: sleepyq said: My point is: If Madonna's compilation could sell double Janet's in the US, with all the same obstacles of digital downloading and pirating... If MJ could still sell so much despite being commonly regarded as a childmolestor (a criminal of the worst degree).... The commonly used excuses for Janet just don't hold up for me... We'll agree to disagree. Truce? MJ has always had a bigger fanbase and has always been recognizable. I don't know why you brought him up. The same can be said for Madonna. She has always been more popular. So that's not a fair comparison. If SB didn't help Janet's sells then. It won't help now. She won't have this comeback or whatever. I don't know what your point is. Janet was more popular than Madonna and MJ in the US for many many years. Didn't u agree with that a couple weeks ago? She consistently ousold them both for over a decade. Rythm Nation outsold Like A Prayer/Erotica combined janet. outsold Bedtime Stories and Dangerous The Velvert Rope outsold Evita and HIStory All For U outsold Music and Invincible Damita Jo outsold American Life How were they more popualr than her? We're dealing with the Us, right? Lets not re-write the story to fit into what we're tryin to argue now. Janet was consistently more popular for over a decade. What's ur explanation...? | |
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midiscover said: cborgman said: no, you're right. the antichrist would be far more talented. :rimshot: Oh so in that case (according to you) that would be MJ? no. i don't like mj. i was always pretty apathetic to him. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: on fire like michael in the 80s. too soon? Space for sale... | |
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midiscover said: cborgman said: no, you're right. the antichrist would be far more talented. :rimshot: Oh so in that case (according to you) that would be MJ? Space for sale... | |
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So what does everyone think about the complete list...Milli Vanilli and Wesley Snipes....Janet, OJ, and dude from Grey's Anatomy? [Edited 3/17/10 23:19pm] | |
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murph said: So what does everyone think about the complete list...Milli Vanilli and Wesley Snipes....
Milli Vanilli... I don't know about them... they got lucky as far as I know. The one that should've been blackballed was Frank Farian for thinking he could get away with it. Apparently he got away with it twice and used those two. Plus money was on their minds. I think the backlash was quite cruel to them though. And Wesley... hmm... to me it seems like he made the bed he's lying in now due to the tax shit... | |
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murph said: So what does everyone think about the complete list...Milli Vanilli and Wesley Snipes....
milli vanilli strikes me as a sad an entry to the list as oj or washington. they might not have killed anyone or called people faggots, but... they made that bed, they can lie in it. wesley... i don't know. i dont know anything about the black women quote, but i do find it difficult to believe blade: trinity ruined him so much as making some really terrible choices of which movies to do. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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O.J., Wesley and Isaiah get the "Negro Please Awards". | |
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Timmy84 said: murph said: So what does everyone think about the complete list...Milli Vanilli and Wesley Snipes....
Milli Vanilli... I don't know about them... they got lucky as far as I know. The one that should've been blackballed was Frank Farian for thinking he could get away with it. Apparently he got away with it twice and used those two. Plus money was on their minds. I think the backlash was quite cruel to them though. And Wesley... hmm... to me it seems like he made the bed he's lying in now due to the tax shit... Actually Wesley's problems started way before the tax shit...When you go to war with a big film studio you are bound to get fucked...There's a reason why dude suddenly started doing straight to dvd movies after that last Blade movie...Hollywood banned dude....I'm glad he's back with Brooklyn's Finest... | |
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Timmy84 said: O.J., Wesley and Isaiah get the "Negro Please Awards".
fill my white ass in? not like that. maybe like that. you know what i mean though. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: Timmy84 said: O.J., Wesley and Isaiah get the "Negro Please Awards".
fill my white ass in? not like that. maybe like that. you know what i mean though. lol!!!! | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: MJ has always had a bigger fanbase and has always been recognizable. I don't know why you brought him up. The same can be said for Madonna. She has always been more popular. So that's not a fair comparison. If SB didn't help Janet's sells then. It won't help now. She won't have this comeback or whatever. I don't know what your point is. Janet was more popular than Madonna and MJ in the US for many many years. Didn't u agree with that a couple weeks ago? She consistently ousold them both for over a decade. Rythm Nation outsold Like A Prayer/Erotica combined janet. outsold Bedtime Stories and Dangerous The Velvert Rope outsold Evita and HIStory All For U outsold Music and Invincible Damita Jo outsold American Life How were they more popualr than her? We're dealing with the Us, right? Lets not re-write the story to fit into what we're tryin to argue now. Janet was consistently more popular for over a decade. What's ur explanation...? worldwide. Now can we drop this shit | |
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cborgman said: Timmy84 said: O.J., Wesley and Isaiah get the "Negro Please Awards".
fill my white ass in? not like that. maybe like that. you know what i mean though. You silly. Well, least see, one guy chose to make an ass out of himself after a murder trial, another has had a bunch of douchebag moments and the other is just not a good actor. | |
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Timmy84 said: cborgman said: fill my white ass in? not like that. maybe like that. you know what i mean though. You silly. Well, least see, one guy chose to make an ass out of himself after a murder trial, another has had a bunch of douchebag moments and the other is just not a good actor. i'm not gonna lie, i just exploited the post for a funny and flirtatious moment. does that win me a "'mo, please" award? Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: Timmy84 said: You silly. Well, least see, one guy chose to make an ass out of himself after a murder trial, another has had a bunch of douchebag moments and the other is just not a good actor. i'm not gonna lie, i just exploited the post for a funny and flirtatious moment. does that win me a "'mo, please" award? | |
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I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:
I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role. Space for sale... | |
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I stand by my statement that the thing that ruined Wesley was his remarks about black women "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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sosgemini said: I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:
I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role. He, Patrick Swayze (RIP) and John Leguizamo was in this lol | |
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scriptgirl said: I stand by my statement that the thing that ruined Wesley was his remarks about black women
what did he say? | |
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Timmy84 said: sosgemini said: I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:
I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role. He, Patrick Swayze (RIP) and John Leguizamo was in this lol But it was Snipes who took the risk. Swazye's career was already in the toilet and Leguizamo wasn't (nor is he now) bankable. Snipes, at the time, was at the top of his career. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Timmy84 said: He, Patrick Swayze (RIP) and John Leguizamo was in this lol But it was Snipes who took the risk. Swazye's career was already in the toilet and Leguizamo wasn't (nor is he now) bankable. Snipes, at the time, was at the top of his career. True lol | |
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sleepyq said: trueiopian said: I understand what you're saying but I disagree. Janet's main market has always been America. It has NEVER been overseas leave that for her brother, who was the total opposite. The same can be said for Madonna and a few others. Her career hurt gratefully because of the Superbowl. Yes, she's an aging pop star and of course, ageism is a focus in America. But to say the Superbowl hurt her career a little is pure bullshit. [Edited 3/17/10 20:22pm] SB didn't destroy her career. Its the bad decisions made after the fact that did her in. Anybody can bounce back from anything, and its very true, believe me. Ppl can forgive ANYTHIN, u just have to give them what they want and say the right things. ... as for overseas... no she has never been on MJ/Madonna level, but how do u ratinalize Janet's inability to even reach silver status in most countries? Thats like selling 200k in the US. Do u know how low that is? SB has little to do with it... had she focused overseas, she wouldnt have flopped so badly at all. It was mismanagement. That's what I always said. Due to the fact that every country in Europe was LAUGHING at the over-reaction in the USA to the Superbowl, it was Janet's prime opportunity to go over and re-invent herself to take advantage of the foreign markets. She didn't and spent about a year trying to weed her way back in with America. And I personally thought Damita Jo was a good album - much much better than All For You. It could have been a success. 20 Y.O is what really killed her career as I can't think of one redeeming thing about that one. | |
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