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Thread started 10/09/09 10:04pm

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Did Luther Vandross get along with ANY female artists?

And what started that ish between him and En Vogue?
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Reply #1 posted 10/09/09 10:37pm

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Luther did get along with Vanessa L. Williams pretty well.
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Reply #2 posted 10/09/09 11:07pm

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He adored Patti Labelle and Diana Ross. He was cool with Whitney and Aretha, I believe. I did hear about the drama with En Vogue as well as Anita Baker.
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Reply #3 posted 10/09/09 11:15pm

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He and Patti, Whitney and Aretha were like family. He did love him some Diana. nod
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Reply #4 posted 10/10/09 8:13am

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He was tight with Gladys Knight and Valerie Simpson, too. They talked on the phone everyday.
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Reply #5 posted 10/10/09 8:19am

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It seems that he got along fine with female artists that he wasn't touring with lol I don't think he particularly liked touring with other artists.Maybe it was an ego thing (he wanted the audience to himself?) but there always seemed to be drama with him and his supporting acts.
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Reply #6 posted 10/10/09 10:09am

Harlepolis

En Vouge were abit disrespective to him though(calling him 'Lucifer'),,,,and you guys already know about Ms.Baker lol

Luther worshiped his female singers, thats where he drew his inspiration from,,,,,you guys should've mentioned Dionne Warwick, she was the one who really inspired him to sing.
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Reply #7 posted 10/10/09 10:34am

midiscover

He got into it with the Debarges as well lol

He got along with Janet!
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Reply #8 posted 10/10/09 10:37am

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What's the story with Anita and Luther?
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Reply #9 posted 10/10/09 10:53am

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This is a quote I found from a mutual friend of both Luther's and Anita's.


Luther had some occasional ‘moments’ with other divas. His ‘feud’ with Anita Baker was well known and I went to some lengths to detail it in my chapter on her in “The Soulful Divas,“ omitting some information out of my concern for maintaining a relationship with both parties. Of course, I was thrilled that Luther chose to write the foreword for the book but as he wrote, ‘for the record,’ he wanted it known that my ‘version’ of what had happened during their famous “The Heat” tour still differed from his own interpretation of what had gone down. What I didn’t reveal in that chapter was the background to a relationship that had not gotten off to a good start after the two had rehearsed for a duet to be performed at the Grammys: after working on a Marvin Gaye-Tammi Terrell song at Luther’s palatial Beverly Hills mansion, they were ready to go – until Anita, for whatever reason, changed her mind the day before or the day of the show. Even earlier, when the two had first been on a Budweiser show together in ’87, Anita had sung Luther’s “Stop To Love” in her set as she had done for months prior and had not taken it out when on the same bill with Luther. When he found out, he was understandably not happy, thus setting the foundation for a relationship that truly had its share of peaks and valleys. A few years after the famous tour, when Luther was getting ready to record the song “I (Who Have Nothing”), he and Anita had made up and she was due to do it as a duet with him for the 1991 album “The Power Of Love.” For reasons best left unsaid, it didn’t happen and Luther expressed his displeasure to me during a phone conversation, just happy that Martha Wash had stepped in to complete the recording with him. Subsequently, Anita and Luther did get a chance to speak and after his stroke, she reached out to him ensuring that whatever healing was needed between them had taken place.

There were likely others who had their own ‘moments’ with Luther, notably members of the group En Vogue who left a tour with him amidst much turmoil. Luther and I never spoke about what happened with the group and indeed the only recollection I have of a disappointment he shared with me was that, although he had written and produced one song for Diana Ross (the beautiful “It’s Hard For Me To Say” which he personally revived for the 1996 “Your Secret Love” album), he had wanted to do a whole album with his third childhood favorite diva. I can’t recall the specific song but I remember that me in 1992, Luther did work on the backgrounds for a track on one of Diana’s Motown albums and I went to the session to drop off a “Sweet Inspirations” album I had compiled for the Ambassador Soul Classics. It was probably one of two or three times when Luther was actually a little ‘snippy’ with me; he was clearly frustrated that the session was not going well and the singers had to go over one line over and over again. Sensing that our dialogue was a little tense, I chose to leave and my friend Johnny – who had accompanied me to the session – commented on Luther’s attitude. I put it down to his being a perfectionist and his irritation at not getting what he wanted in the studio but I was also well aware that there were times in my conversations with Luther that I did have to ‘maneuver’ since his biggest ‘complaint’ was that I would always take everything he said ’literally’. I can still remember Luther sly berating me with a hint of humor in his voice: ‘David, why do you have to take things SO literally?’ The comment didn’t warrant a response so we’d just move on to the next subject!


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Reply #10 posted 10/10/09 10:53am

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Wasn't he friendly with Mariah as well?
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Reply #11 posted 10/10/09 11:01am

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- Aretha wasn't getting along w/ him the best when they were in the studio
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Reply #12 posted 10/10/09 11:14am

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Mstrustme said:

- Aretha wasn't getting along w/ him the best when they were in the studio


I heard about that too. Aretha was always known for getting the first take just right (first take Aretha) when recording a song. That all changed when she worked with Luther, he supposedly didn't like the first take. lol
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midiscover said:

He got into it with the Debarges as well lol

He got along with Janet!

Lawd, what he do to the Debarges an nem? lol
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Reply #14 posted 10/10/09 11:22am

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He just hated Anita Baker and EnVogue from what I remember reading in his autobiography...great book btw; made me cry at points though. sad
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Reply #15 posted 10/10/09 11:27am

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blessedk said:

I heard about that too. Aretha was always known for getting the first take just right (first take Aretha) when recording a song. That all changed when she worked with Luther, he supposedly didn't like the first take. lol


lol I read her autobiography and you could definitely feel the tone
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Reply #16 posted 10/10/09 11:50am

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SCNDLS said:

midiscover said:

He got into it with the Debarges as well lol

He got along with Janet!

Lawd, what he do to the Debarges an nem? lol


When the Debarges were touring with Luther as supporting act they were just a mess- fighting, getting high, flipping the whole dressing rooms over to a mess. Luther didn't like that and he really, really, didn't like how the audience would go buck wild when the Debarges hit the stage (the same reason why there was friction between En Vogue, Anita Baker and Luther). But he didn't confront them or say anything because you know them Debarges would knock Luther out lol

The reason why Luther and Anita didn't get along was because Luther would purposely extend his setlist causing Anita to shorten hers which upsetted her and her fans. But Luther didn't curr. I think the same scenario went down with En Vogue, as well.
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Reply #17 posted 10/10/09 11:53am

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En Vouge were abit disrespective to him though(calling him 'Lucifer'),,,,and you guys already know about Ms.Baker lol

Luther worshiped his female singers, thats where he drew his inspiration from,,,,,you guys should've mentioned Dionne Warwick, she was the one who really inspired him to sing.


I forgot about Dionne, lol
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Reply #18 posted 10/10/09 12:01pm

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Harlepolis said:

En Vouge were abit disrespective to him though(calling him 'Lucifer'),,,,and you guys already know about Ms.Baker lol

Luther worshiped his female singers, thats where he drew his inspiration from,,,,,you guys should've mentioned Dionne Warwick, she was the one who really inspired him to sing.


Dionne has that affect on people. Wasn't MJ the same way about her?
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Reply #19 posted 10/10/09 12:59pm

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Anita and Luther were just too much a like to tour together. Two drama queens. And Anita is well-known for her nastiness. I've heard Anita stories that would put Miss Ross to shame! lol I was never surprised that Baker and Luther did not get along.
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Reply #20 posted 10/10/09 1:48pm

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What happened with Anita?
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Reply #21 posted 10/10/09 3:34pm

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Anita is nasty? since when?
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Reply #22 posted 10/10/09 3:40pm

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scriptgirl said:

Anita is nasty? since when?


Anita has never been a nice person from what I've heard. Rude and silly... trying to keep it clean.
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Reply #23 posted 10/10/09 3:50pm

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Did Luther mention the car crash in his book and his boyfriend who died as a result of it? That book sounds interesting.
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blessedk said:

Mstrustme said:

- Aretha wasn't getting along w/ him the best when they were in the studio


I heard about that too. Aretha was always known for getting the first take just right (first take Aretha) when recording a song. That all changed when she worked with Luther, he supposedly didn't like the first take. lol
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I don't think that was the first time because she also had a few arguments with Curtis Mayfield during the 'Sparkle' era.
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Reply #25 posted 10/10/09 3:58pm

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I heard he had issues with Toni Braxton too lol
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midiscover said:

I heard he had issues with Toni Braxton too lol


what? lol
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What do you mean, the "Sparkle" era?
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Reply #28 posted 10/10/09 4:40pm

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scriptgirl said:

What do you mean, the "Sparkle" era?


When Sista Franklin worked with Cutis Mayfield on his soundtrack for the movie "Sparkle" - http://www.amazon.com/Spa...B0000032Y0
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Reply #29 posted 10/10/09 5:05pm

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drama drama drama
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