midiscover said:

You ain't hurting my feelings, I don't own ANY of her albums and I ain't a huge fan. But YOU made a comment that sounded counter to what I've heard about her with no explanation that's why I asked.

And again I'll say that as an artist, who is ultimately the one in front of the world singing the song, I don't fault her one bit for making herself heard. And IF she was "rigid" (whatever that means) she obviously did something right considering her track record back in the day. Maybe if more of these "singers" spoke up in the studio the public would get better music rather than the same ol' shit, from the usual suspects of "hot" producers.

SCNDLS said:

I'm not the one that called her - a bitch. From what I heard she had issues with his process of creating music. She wanted full control over the whole process. Her loss anyways

trueiopian said:

What's his process of making music?

and you would think them being managed by that shady Barry Hankerson would bring them together

SCNDLS said:

Everybody's a bitch then.

"Bitch" is overrated, lol

trueiopian said:

I didn't say you did. I mean that I don't view her as being a bitch to R. Kelly as a negative. IF this is true, maybe she was reacting to HIS bitchassness.

Timmy84 said:

Definitely overused and always applied to women who DARE speak their minds and are vocal about what they want especially as it relates to their careers. Men are complimented but women are bitches

Timmy84 said:

Yeah,Roberta actually had to "fire" Luther as her backup singer She felt that he was too good to be singing backup for anybody.He gave her a really good song,"You Stopped Loving Me",which he later recorded himself for the 'Never Too Much' album.

midiscover said:

He doens't write down the lyrics. He records in one sitting by spontaneously changing lyrics and leading the way through the process.

Like this-


He did the same with Whitney and she was like " " at first but was fully converted in his process after awhile. I guess Toni didn't want to embrace a different style.

And he fired Barry after he left Publice Annoncement but poor Toni didn't understand his shady antics so she remained his client.

SCNDLS said:

What "bitchassness"? OR maybe she's the one with the "bitchassness" (Whatever that means )

SCNDLS said:

Timmy84 said:

too much

trueiopian said:

Wow, I didn't know that. Did he do the same when he was working with Michael Jackson? That's def. a unique way of making music Why doesn't he just write down the lyrics?

and Barry is so shady good thing he fired him. It seems like Toni gets into a lot of mess. Wasn't she at Arista when LA Reid was head?

trueiopian said:

I love that scene!

SCNDLS said:

OH m'dear, Aretha was & still IS thee PRIME bitch on wheel. And it wasn't for the "outspoken" factor either

Just read Roots! The Collected Shadery Of Aretha Franklin and you'll know what I mean.

Its no wonder why this woman wasn't successful when it comes keeping peace with women. BOY, did I gave myself a disservice when I read that hunk o' trash Here I was SO intrigued to read about one of my fave singers, only to get slapped on the face with shadery after shadery in eeeeevery page, if its not Gladys, then its Patti, and if its not Patti, the its Mavis, if its not Mavis, then its Natalie and if its not Natalie, then its her OWN BLOOD sisters,,,what about the men that used her as a punching bag? Up there on the pedestal Rarely did she talk about her mother, but she talked about her womanizing preaching pimp father like he was the second coming.

She really gave a new meaning to the word "petty", but looking at the bright side,,,it made me learn that all these gifted artists were dysfunctional as the Monday is looooong,,,,and it added her among my FAVE asshole artists(Prince, Marvin, Miles, etc etc etc)
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Harlepolis said:

And I still love her music!

Harlepolis said:

Chile, ain't that the truth. Ree-ree, don't play!

I've been to shows, recently, where she walked off the stage because there was a camera guy, an employee of the venue, filming the performance. Auntie Ree said "Please stop filming, filming is NOT in my contract!" Dropped the mic and walked off the stage. She came back out and dude was still in the aisle filming so then she says into the mic, "Milton, Milton! I refuse to continue if he's filming me!" I guess he's her tour mgr or something.

The hilarious part is that dude wasn't recording the show, he was just filming it for the big screens in the venue. She showed her tail for no reason. She could've just asked about it back stage instead of causing a scene in the middle of a gatdamn song.

She's also notorious for demanding that the air conditioning in a venue is turned off and leaving the stage if she thinks it's on. I saw her at the Nokia, in Dallas, in July, with no AC. It was hotter than a bitch and she still souunded like shit.

And hearing the Divas Live producers talk about her antics was funny and sad.
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SCNDLS said:

That I can understand though Luther was notorious for the same thing as well, it put their vocal chords in shape,,,,alot of vocalists are guilty of that, thats why they're a hot greasy scrambled egg mess in their footages

OOOOOH SHIT I forgot

You know what pissed me off about the book? Really REEEEAAAAALLY made me livid?

Ok, THIS BITCH(yes, I said it ) refused to talk in details about the process of her recordings in her book(whats the fuckin' point then ).

Check this, she remembers EVERY good hamburger stand she ate from, at what time, weather, mood since 1967(I swear o' god, this ain't no joke) but she'll sit her Big Bird lookin' ass and tell me Bridge Over Troubled Water was recorded in 1978?



I KNOW you ain't that senile goddammit I still love my Aunt ReRe, but girl it is what it is

Harlepolis said:

I'm done with you and Ree-ree.

I understand about how the AC impacts their vocal chords but there has to be a better solution than subjecting 1000s of people to a hot ass arena when it's 100 degrees outside and then you waddle your Big Bird lookin' ass, in a dress made of YELLOW FUCKING FEATHERS (for real), then talk shit to the dude that's just doing his job. I will never see her live again.

SCNDLS said:

The GODDAMN feathers, the GODDAMN church bunny hat and the GODDAMMINST of all, the linguini straps holding to dear life into her own grand canyon

And she has the nerve to be wobbling into a room acting like its her GRAND entrance, giving these photographers the 1/2 turn ReRe don't give a 1/4 fuck, man

Harlepolis said:

She REALLY don't.

Harlepolis said:

That book("Roots! The Collected Shadery Of Aretha Franklin") wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Sista Franklin would have done us a service if she had instead written a book about the best hamburger joints around the country.


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"Roots: The Fuckery and Fast Food Recipes of Auntie Ree-Ree"

TD3 said:

And it would've sold like CRACK cakes in an ant's heartbeat thats how good it would've been.
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Harlepolis said:

SHIT she would've made me HUNGRY by the time I ended it!!!!

Timmy84 said:

You and Wimpy.

TD3 said:

Wimpy would had me beat. I'd be full by the first plate. I got a metabolism that knows not to take any more BULLSHIT!

What does Aretha have against women and what were the stories re her and Patti and Natalie and Mavis?

scriptgirl said:

- With Natalie, I think she came out with a stream of hits and people started calling her the "New Queen of Soul" AND she broke Aretha's Grammy-winning streak

- Aretha dissed Natalie but I forgot how

scriptgirl said:

Since always. I live in Michigan so I know a lot of nasty stories about Baker. Again, she makes Diana Ross look like Mother Theresa.

I read the whole story about her fued with Luther. I can't recall if it was part of David Nathan's "Divas" book or if I read it in a magazine. But, yes, Luther was making it very clear that he did not care for Anita at all because of her attitude and disrespect towards him.
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scriptgirl said:

For whatever reason, Aretha has never been quick to praise another female artist. But, I know she has publicly admired Chaka, Nippy, Mimi and Mary J.