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Reply #1320 posted 08/21/09 12:54am

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AlexdeParis said:

I listened to American Life today. I always enjoy it when I'm listening and think I underrate it, but it never stays with me.

OTOH, I think it probably has the best remixes. I only gave the album a real shot after hearing and loving Remixed & Revisited. Those mixes really give the songs new life. In addition to those, I also love the Thin White Duke remix of "Hollywood" and the Oakenfold Downtempo Remix of "American Life."

What are your favorites?


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Reply #1321 posted 08/21/09 12:58am

SoulAlive

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I love the chorus,the vocal harmonies,the lyrics,and the hauntingly sad mood of it.Two people who are drifting apart to the point that,even when they are together,the love is clearly gone.There's nothing to even fight for anymore....I guess we're at our best when we're miles away.Two of my other favorite Madonna songs are "Bad Girl" and "To Have And Not To Hold".Notice a pattern there? wink I love her sad songs! "Miles Away" is her latest song in that vein.I want more of this from Madonna: vulnerability,honesty,sadness! I want more lyrics that are based on what she's going through in her personal life.

I also love the production of this song.Unlike "4 Minutes",this song allows Madonna to shine without being overshadowed.Justin Timberlake adds backup vocals and does a great job arranging the harmonies and Timbaland creates a smooth acoustic/electronic backdrop,but they step back and allow Madonna to tell her (very personal) tale.Madonna has done other songs in this musical style ("I Deserve It","Love Profusion") but I think this song is superior.I also like how the song starts off as an acoustic pop number,then at the end,Timbaland takes it to the club with a big,hard beat.It's a perfect midtempo pop song,imo.


I agree. When I first heard it, I felt let down because it sounded so simple and people (SoulAlive) were raving about it! lol But it grew on me over time and I now love it. It's easily my favorite song on that album and one of my favorite Madonna songs.There's something about it that feels incredibly honest, authentic,real.She's not showing off, or trying to be cool and cute. It's pretty close to a pure expression.And seeing her play it live two days after the public announcement of her divorce really drove that home for me.


When I first heard it,I was shocked at the lyrics.She was going around denying that her marriage was in trouble and yet here she is in this song,basically confirming that her marriage is over.Laying it all out there.I was surprised by that.The line "All my dreams they fade away,I'll never be the same" is particularly sad to me.I'm a sucker for a sad melody and heartbreak lyrics,lol.
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Reply #1322 posted 08/21/09 1:07am

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Madonna's A&R is so fucked up for such a major star. Only Janet's is worse


and maybe Prince's


Anyway, they should have just been smart and stuck to the Immaculate formula - it's her biggest record!

1990
Immaculate Collection
Rescue Me NEW
Justify My Love NEW

then, prior to Music, in 2000 they should have done something that looked more like this (let something to remember stand on its own! YCD did! they didnt dock holiday and into the groove from IC!)

2000
GHV2 (needs a better title - The Immaculate Creation?)
This Used to be My Playground
Rain
Erotica
Deeper and Deeper
I'll Remember
Secret
Take A Bow
Bedtime Story
Human Nature
You Must Love Me
Don't Cry For Me Argentina (Dance version)
Frozen
Power of Goodbye
Ray of Light
Beautiful Stranger
American Pie
NEW
NEW

2010
Music
Don't Tell Me
What it Feels Like For a Girl
American Life
Hollywood
Nothing Fails
Into the Hollywood Groove
Hung Up
Sorry
Jump
Get Together
4 Minutes
Give it 2 Me
Miles Away
Beat Goes On
Celebration
Revolver

Then they could also sell the 3 - cd set - not a major hit missing minus Who's that Girl Sdtk, Dress you Up, and Burning Up! Those could be bonus tracks or remixes as bsides to the newer singles or something cool!
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Reply #1323 posted 08/21/09 2:54am

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Reply #1324 posted 08/21/09 2:59am

CHIC0

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badujunkie said:

Madonna's A&R is so fucked up for such a major star. Only Janet's is worse


and maybe Prince's


Anyway, they should have just been smart and stuck to the Immaculate formula - it's her biggest record!

1990
Immaculate Collection
Rescue Me NEW
Justify My Love NEW

then, prior to Music, in 2000 they should have done something that looked more like this (let something to remember stand on its own! YCD did! they didnt dock holiday and into the groove from IC!)

2000
GHV2 (needs a better title - The Immaculate Creation?)
This Used to be My Playground
Rain
Erotica
Deeper and Deeper
I'll Remember
Secret
Take A Bow
Bedtime Story
Human Nature
You Must Love Me
Don't Cry For Me Argentina (Dance version)
Frozen
Power of Goodbye
Ray of Light
Beautiful Stranger
American Pie
NEW
NEW

2010
Music
Don't Tell Me
What it Feels Like For a Girl
American Life
Hollywood
Nothing Fails
Into the Hollywood Groove
Hung Up
Sorry
Jump
Get Together
4 Minutes
Give it 2 Me
Miles Away
Beat Goes On
Celebration
Revolver

Then they could also sell the 3 - cd set - not a major hit missing minus Who's that Girl Sdtk, Dress you Up, and Burning Up! Those could be bonus tracks or remixes as bsides to the newer singles or something cool!


nice!! thumbs up!
i really like that idea. biggrin that would've definitely pleased a lot more of her hardcore fans. and they could do the single disc as well for the casual fans.
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Reply #1325 posted 08/21/09 3:02am

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LOVE
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Reply #1326 posted 08/21/09 3:35am

SoulAlive

CHIC0 said:



That commercial has heightened my excitement for this project thumbs up! Just the thought of getting all these classic songs in remastered form!
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Reply #1327 posted 08/21/09 3:47am

SoulAlive

Are you ready to Celebrate with Madonna?
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Reply #1329 posted 08/21/09 4:38am

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badujunkie said:

AlexdeParis said:

I listened to American Life today. I always enjoy it when I'm listening and think I underrate it, but it never stays with me.

OTOH, I think it probably has the best remixes. I only gave the album a real shot after hearing and loving Remixed & Revisited. Those mixes really give the songs new life. In addition to those, I also love the Thin White Duke remix of "Hollywood" and the Oakenfold Downtempo Remix of "American Life."

What are your favorites?


is this serious?

confused Of course it is. Those remixes are hot! That Stuart Price remix of "Hollywood" would've sent that EP over the top. music
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Reply #1330 posted 08/21/09 4:40am

SoulAlive

AlexdeParis said:

badujunkie said:



is this serious?

confused Of course it is. Those remixes are hot! That Stuart Price remix of "Hollywood" would've sent that EP over the top. music


Many fans have said that those remixes bring those songs to life nod
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Reply #1331 posted 08/21/09 5:24am

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SoulAlive said:

AlexdeParis said:


confused Of course it is. Those remixes are hot! That Stuart Price remix of "Hollywood" would've sent that EP over the top. music


Many fans have said that those remixes bring those songs to life nod


To this day I hate when Madonna does rock music or uses rock guitars. Her voice is wayyyyy to thin for a decent rock song, it sounds rubbish.

Love Profusion is a nice electro/acoustic ballad, it ain't got anything to do with rock music.
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Reply #1332 posted 08/21/09 5:30am

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graecophilos said:

SoulAlive said:



Many fans have said that those remixes bring those songs to life nod


To this day I hate when Madonna does rock music or uses rock guitars. Her voice is wayyyyy to thin for a decent rock song, it sounds rubbish.

Love Profusion is a nice electro/acoustic ballad, it ain't got anything to do with rock music.


The rock version of Love Profusion was OK although the original is better. The rock version of Nothing Fails would be OK if it wasn't for that annoying noise after the first chorus. The rock version of American Life cannot be taken seriously. However the rock version of Let It Will Be is absolutely great. Much much better than the original. I can't really say I love any of the live rock versions of older songs but they are fun to listen to (the studio versions not the youtube live versions lol). Taking into account the rock elements on the first third of Ray Of Light, I would love to see Madonna doing a rock-influenced album much more than I would like to have Confessions or Hard Candy No.2
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Reply #1333 posted 08/21/09 5:31am

SoulAlive

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WOW- check out from 0:50!!!


I just noticed that,in this commercial,"Like A Prayer" is the remix from TIC confused I thought they were gonna use the LP version!





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Reply #1334 posted 08/21/09 5:46am

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AlexdeParis said:

suga10 said:

Jimmy Jimmy is my least favorite track on True Blue, but Love Makes the World go Round ain't bad.

You're right; "bad" doesn't even begin to describe how diabolically horrible that song is. shake


I think True Blue had the best set of singles from any Madonna album. However the other 4 songs on that album are so bad that overall I would say True Blue is the worst Madonna studio album ever. Who ever had the genious idea of singing a stupidly happy song with the lyrics There Is Hunger Everywhere? lol
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Reply #1335 posted 08/21/09 6:03am

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jiorjios said:

AlexdeParis said:


You're right; "bad" doesn't even begin to describe how diabolically horrible that song is. shake


I think True Blue had the best set of singles from any Madonna album. However the other 4 songs on that album are so bad that overall I would say True Blue is the worst Madonna studio album ever. Who ever had the genious idea of singing a stupidly happy song with the lyrics There Is Hunger Everywhere? lol
[Edited 8/21/09 5:50am]


White heat and Where's the party are masterpieces, Jimmy Jimmy is insanely entertaining, but LMtWGR is silly...
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Reply #1336 posted 08/21/09 6:08am

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JoeTyler said:

jiorjios said:



I think True Blue had the best set of singles from any Madonna album. However the other 4 songs on that album are so bad that overall I would say True Blue is the worst Madonna studio album ever. Who ever had the genious idea of singing a stupidly happy song with the lyrics There Is Hunger Everywhere? lol
[Edited 8/21/09 5:50am]


White heat and Where's the party are masterpieces, Jimmy Jimmy is insanely entertaining, but LMtWGR is silly...


I don't even like those. But yes they are better than JJ and LMTWGR
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Reply #1337 posted 08/21/09 6:08am

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SoulAlive said:


Now people are getting crazy. That;s just a news paper behind her!
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Reply #1338 posted 08/21/09 6:11am

SoulAlive

VinnyM27 said:

SoulAlive said:


Now people are getting crazy. That;s just a news paper behind her!


I know you'd rather have the lyrics to "Miles Away" behind her lol
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Reply #1339 posted 08/21/09 6:18am

SoulAlive

JoeTyler said:

jiorjios said:



I think True Blue had the best set of singles from any Madonna album. However the other 4 songs on that album are so bad that overall I would say True Blue is the worst Madonna studio album ever. Who ever had the genious idea of singing a stupidly happy song with the lyrics There Is Hunger Everywhere? lol


White heat and Where's the party are masterpieces, Jimmy Jimmy is insanely entertaining, but LMtWGR is silly...



There are only two songs that I don't like on 'True Blue': "Jimmy Jimmy" and "Love Makes The World Go Round".I really have no problem with the other songs."Papa Don't Preach" and "Live To Tell" are two of her strongest 80s singles."La Isla Bonita" is pleasant and good fun."Open Your Heart",I'm not crazy about,but it is undeniably catchy.I can see why it became a big hit."White Heat" could have been a single.The title track is cheesy but fun.
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Reply #1340 posted 08/21/09 6:32am

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SoulAlive said:

JoeTyler said:



White heat and Where's the party are masterpieces, Jimmy Jimmy is insanely entertaining, but LMtWGR is silly...



There are only two songs that I don't like on 'True Blue': "Jimmy Jimmy" and "Love Makes The World Go Round".I really have no problem with the other songs."Papa Don't Preach" and "Live To Tell" are two of her strongest 80s singles."La Isla Bonita" is pleasant and good fun."Open Your Heart",I'm not crazy about,but it is undeniably catchy.I can see why it became a big hit."White Heat" could have been a single.The title track is cheesy but fun.


I agree for the most part, except that "Open Your Heart" is my favorite.
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Reply #1341 posted 08/21/09 6:50am

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jiorjios said:

graecophilos said:



To this day I hate when Madonna does rock music or uses rock guitars. Her voice is wayyyyy to thin for a decent rock song, it sounds rubbish.

Love Profusion is a nice electro/acoustic ballad, it ain't got anything to do with rock music.


The rock version of Love Profusion was OK although the original is better. The rock version of Nothing Fails would be OK if it wasn't for that annoying noise after the first chorus. The rock version of American Life cannot be taken seriously.

I think they're all better than the originals. headbang A lot of the problems I had with the songs initially are fixed: the "Nothing Fails" remix removes that choir (it just doesn't work well in this song) and the "American Life" remix makes that ridiculous rap semi-tolerable (although I prefer the Oakenfold remix without the rap).
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Reply #1342 posted 08/21/09 7:57am

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SoulAlive said:

heartbeatocean said:



I agree. When I first heard it, I felt let down because it sounded so simple and people (SoulAlive) were raving about it! lol But it grew on me over time and I now love it. It's easily my favorite song on that album and one of my favorite Madonna songs.There's something about it that feels incredibly honest, authentic,real.She's not showing off, or trying to be cool and cute. It's pretty close to a pure expression.And seeing her play it live two days after the public announcement of her divorce really drove that home for me.


When I first heard it,I was shocked at the lyrics.She was going around denying that her marriage was in trouble and yet here she is in this song,basically confirming that her marriage is over.Laying it all out there.I was surprised by that.The line "All my dreams they fade away,I'll never be the same" is particularly sad to me.I'm a sucker for a sad melody and heartbreak lyrics,lol.


It's very sad. I was outright bawling when she sang it at the concert. redface
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Reply #1343 posted 08/21/09 9:04am

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jiorjios said:

graecophilos said:



To this day I hate when Madonna does rock music or uses rock guitars. Her voice is wayyyyy to thin for a decent rock song, it sounds rubbish.

Love Profusion is a nice electro/acoustic ballad, it ain't got anything to do with rock music.


The rock version of Love Profusion was OK although the original is better. The rock version of Nothing Fails would be OK if it wasn't for that annoying noise after the first chorus. The rock version of American Life cannot be taken seriously. However the rock version of Let It Will Be is absolutely great. Much much better than the original. I can't really say I love any of the live rock versions of older songs but they are fun to listen to (the studio versions not the youtube live versions lol). Taking into account the rock elements on the first third of Ray Of Light, I would love to see Madonna doing a rock-influenced album much more than I would like to have Confessions or Hard Candy No.2
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the green paper mix that was used on the tour?
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Reply #1344 posted 08/21/09 9:54am

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ehuffnsd said:

jiorjios said:



The rock version of Love Profusion was OK although the original is better. The rock version of Nothing Fails would be OK if it wasn't for that annoying noise after the first chorus. The rock version of American Life cannot be taken seriously. However the rock version of Let It Will Be is absolutely great. Much much better than the original. I can't really say I love any of the live rock versions of older songs but they are fun to listen to (the studio versions not the youtube live versions lol). Taking into account the rock elements on the first third of Ray Of Light, I would love to see Madonna doing a rock-influenced album much more than I would like to have Confessions or Hard Candy No.2
[Edited 8/21/09 5:39am]

the green paper mix that was used on the tour?


yeah
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Reply #1345 posted 08/21/09 10:16am

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Well, I completed my ideal 3-disc singles compilation of Madonna's career. I tried to include all of the big hits while keeping a balance. I killed me to cut "Angel" and "Gambler," but there wasn't enough room. I had no problem cutting "American Pie" because it sucks.

Album Versions except where indicated

Disc 1 [77:30]
1. Everybody (US 7" Edit)
2. Holiday (7" Mix)
3. Borderline (TIC Mix)
4. Lucky Star (TIC Mix)
5. Like a Virgin (TIC Mix)
6. Material Girl (TIC Mix)
7. Crazy for You (TIC Mix)
8. Into the Groove
9. Dress You Up
10. Live to Tell (Edit)
11. Papa Don't Preach (TIC Mix)
12. True Blue
13. Open Your Heart (TIC Mix)
14. La Isla Bonita (TIC Mix)
15. Who's That Girl
16. Causing a Commotion (Silver Screen Single Mix)
17. Like a Prayer (7" Version)
18. Express Yourself (TIC Mix)
19. Cherish (TIC Mix)

Disc 2 [79:48]
1. Oh Father (Edit)
2. Keep It Together (7" Mix)
3. Vogue
4. Justify My Love
5. This Used to Be My Playground (Barcelona Gold Edit)
6. Erotica (Radio Edit)
7. Deeper and Deeper (7" Edit)
8. Bad Girl (Edit)
9. Rain (Video Edit)
10. I'll Remember (Orbit Remix)
11. Secret (Edit)
12. Take a Bow (Single Edit)
13. Human Nature
14. You'll See (Edit)
15. Don't Cry for Me Argentina (Radio Edit) [can't decide between this or Miami Mix Edit]
16. Frozen (Radio Edit)
17. Ray of Light (Radio Edit)

Disc 3 [73:15]
1. Drowned World/Substitute for Love (Radio Edit)
2. The Power of Good-Bye
3. Nothing Really Matters
4. Beautiful Stranger (Orbit Radio Edit)
5. Music
6. Don't Tell Me (Radio Edit)
7. What It Feels Like for a Girl (Radio Edit)
8. Die Another Day (Radio Edit)
9. American Life (Oakenfold Radio Edit w/o Rap)
10. Hollywood (Jacques Lu Cont's Thin White Duke Mix Edit)
11. Nothing Fails (Nevins Mix)
12. Hung Up (Radio Version)
13. Sorry (Radio Version)
14. Get Together (Radio Edit)
15. Jump (Radio Edit)
16. 4 Minutes (Edit)
17. Give It 2 Me (Edit)
18. Miles Away (Radio Edit)
19. Celebration
20. Revolver

I'm debating whether or not to do at least some minor crossfading.
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Reply #1346 posted 08/21/09 10:31am

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AlexdeParis said:

I'm debating whether or not to do at least some minor crossfading.


omfg no no no!
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Reply #1347 posted 08/21/09 10:47am

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Cinnie said:

AlexdeParis said:

I'm debating whether or not to do at least some minor crossfading.


omfg no no no!

falloff I figured I'd just try it out to see. lol
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Reply #1348 posted 08/21/09 10:59am

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SoulAlive said:

JoeTyler said:



White heat and Where's the party are masterpieces, Jimmy Jimmy is insanely entertaining, but LMtWGR is silly...



There are only two songs that I don't like on 'True Blue': "Jimmy Jimmy" and "Love Makes The World Go Round".I really have no problem with the other songs."Papa Don't Preach" and "Live To Tell" are two of her strongest 80s singles."La Isla Bonita" is pleasant and good fun."Open Your Heart",I'm not crazy about,but it is undeniably catchy.I can see why it became a big hit."White Heat" could have been a single.The title track is cheesy but fun.


Strange, although True Blue has some of her biggest songs, overall for me it makes the impression of a bad album.
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Reply #1349 posted 08/21/09 11:00am

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ehuffnsd said:

jiorjios said:



The rock version of Love Profusion was OK although the original is better. The rock version of Nothing Fails would be OK if it wasn't for that annoying noise after the first chorus. The rock version of American Life cannot be taken seriously. However the rock version of Let It Will Be is absolutely great. Much much better than the original. I can't really say I love any of the live rock versions of older songs but they are fun to listen to (the studio versions not the youtube live versions lol). Taking into account the rock elements on the first third of Ray Of Light, I would love to see Madonna doing a rock-influenced album much more than I would like to have Confessions or Hard Candy No.2
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the green paper mix that was used on the tour?


green paper?

aka

Stuart Price?

lol
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