VinnyM27 said:

If Into The Groove, Beautiful Stranger, Celebration and Revolver appear on the single disc I am buying the single disc

SoulAlive said:

another reasons why sometimes fans shouldn't choose the tracks.

CrozzaUK said:

Well it's kind of sad for Madonna to try to downplay "Erotica" and hype up "Hard Candy", which fans MIGHT like better later. Say what you want, but to defend two tracks on "Hard Candy" and only one on "Erotica" is disgusting.

"Hard Candy". Fah!

CrozzaUK said:

Nope, it never works like that. People judge on the record based on the singles (nowadays it's only the first single for most albums) and the perception of the the artist/promo. It was the same case for Erotica, people were caught up in the bad press with Madonna but the title track only reinforced the assumptions about it being a "sex album" and they didn't want a collection of JML's. Same for AL and the anti-American stuff. For HC there was no bad press or backlash, just that Warner or Madonna did nothing to make people buy the album so they went with the single.

I definitely agree about D&D being a #1 single if it wasn't for SEX or "Erotica", surely it was a safe song for her. But I don't think you can be unbiased about how Erotica was viewed in retrospect by the fans, not only because that was mostly a different set of fans back then, but there was no internet that gave a room for expectations to run wild. The HC "fan backlash" was greatly exaggerated by a group of loud fans online who couldn't get over the expectations they raised for her. Those who simply did not enjoy it, were never that loud. There are plenty of HC admirers among her online fanbase too.

Anyway, on Tribe the webmasters wrote that the versions are indeed being reconsidered since Warner was bombarded with complaints. The songs themselves are NOT changing though.

LiveToTell86 said:

"Hard Candy" is not an awful record but if we are going to be realistic about how "Miles Away", it's being a number one single in Japan means that "Spotlight", a much beleoved Madonna track that I hear on the radio more than "Miles Away", should be on on there. It's honestly typical Madonna bullshit. I realized the set wasn't going to be perfect YET for it to come so close yet make a strange omossion (or at the very least under representation) and yet pack in the later stuff ("Hollywood" and "Miles Away'...I'll give you "Sorry" because it was an apologetic Euro smash and was probably a more successful second single than either "Hollywood" or "Give It 2 Me"). I hope her arms get all fleshy now! I'm sending her a chocolate cake....with butter cream!

VinnyM27 said:

Yes it is!

Moonbeam said:

No it isn't I actually think it's better than 'Music' and 'American Life'.

SoulAlive said:

I think it's better than those two as well as Erotica, True Blue, Bedtime Stories, and Like a Virgin. It doesn't have the standouts that those ones have, but I think it's a better listen overall.

"Miles Away" is on this compilation because Madonna knows how much I love it.That's right,she did it for ME

"all my dreams they fade away
I'll never be the same
If you could see me the way you see yourself
I can't pretend to be someone else"

Hard Candy sucks. Worst album of Madonna along with American Life.

Every album of Madonna prior to 2000 is excellent in their own way.

Erotica has really well made songs. Much better than any of the mediocre songs Madonna has put out in recent times.
[Edited 8/19/09 18:48pm]

suga10 said:

Hard Candy is the worst album of her career, and one of the worst 5 albums I've ever heard.

SoulAlive said:

Music isn't a high point in her career, for sure, but I'd still put it well above Hard Candy. I quite like American Life aside from the title track.

SoulAlive said:

Honestly, this diss of "Erotica" makes me hate the song. IF I buy this album, I'm downloading it on my Ipod except for that track....You could imagine what song will be in it's place (actually songs....and maybe I'll put a better cover on that sucker, too). Old bitty!

Oh yeah, I forget to say, that Confessions on the Dance Floor is Madonna's best album post 2000.

That's the only album I liked, but I just wasn't impressed from her songs from American Life or Hard Candy.

So the bad outweighs the good sadly.
[Edited 8/19/09 19:02pm]

Moonbeam said:

All three are very shaky...and all three have two cuts represented on there (OK, "Music" had two genuine big hits, one that showed some dimensions from her). 2000 on has not been her highmark but "Celeberation" suggests that it was only 1992 was the year where nothing was going on! Maybe if "This Used To Be My Playground" on was there it would make sense, but honestly, its just a gross rewrite of history. And even if that box set comes true, she'll tinker with it. If fans had any say in this, they wouldn't take "Miles Away" over "Deeper and Deeper" (or "Hollywood" over "This Used To Be My Plaground"...Hell, "Jimmy, Jimmy" was a bigger hit!).

Moonbeam said:

excellent! though i'd probably switch Angel and Erotica or angel on the pop disc. and move Secret to the ballads disc, etc.

AlexdeParis said:

I don't even know what "TIC" is.

Babydubistzuschnell said:

good point. And they're not even her best songs.

heartbeatocean said:

the Immacualte Collection, her first greatest hits album. all of the tracks (except the 2 new ones) were slightly or majorly remixed by Shep Pettibone with a useless new technology at the time called Q-sound.

errant said:

oh. thanks


so you're saying that collection was rather worthless?

heartbeatocean said:

no, at the time it was a really great release and it is a very good listen.

but over time, it's become a little irritating that her biggest, most definitive greatest hits record doesn't contain the original hit versions. at this point, it makes for a great remix album, but it's needed to be replaced for a long time.

I love the title track, Fever, Bad Girl and I am obsessed with Secret Garden, but the rest of the album bores me. esp deeper and deeper, it felt like a repeat to me.
and don't mess with Music that album is AMAZING. and waaaaay better than Hard shit.

heartbeatocean said:

No, no, it's actually borderline excellent! Unlike most fans, I don't mind most of the remixes (with "Holiday" and "Into the Groove" being major exceptions). I greatly prefer the "Express Yourself" remix (as I'm sure is clear by now). My biggest gripe is the absence of some songs (mainly "Who's That Girl" and "Causing a Commotion").

errant said:

"Angel" straddles the line between pop and dance, so I could see changing it. "Erotica" isn't pop or dance (really), so I thought it'd be best as part of a budoir one-two punch of the ballads disc to give it a little spice.

Moonbeam said:

Angel's always seemed more like pop and/or a ballad to me. the way she delivers it anyway.

VinnyM27 said:

this song will haunt you forever,lol....

When no one's around and I have you here
I begin to see the picture,it becomes so clear
You always have the biggest heart
when we're six thousand miles apart...

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

I hated this song when it first came out, because I thought it hit a little too close to home for me and the life I had lived for the previous few years.

Over time, though, I've realized I hate it because it's just not very good and it puts me to sleep. Thank god for the radio edit!

It's one of those songs I heard the first time and thought "Obvious single " very much like "Hollywood," and was really hoping she/WB would surprise us. The real surprise came when "Beat Goes On" wasn't released. It's very discouraging to see that both of those songs, as boring as they are and not to mention the fact that they are NOT HITS, are deemed worthy of making her definitive greatest hits album. With the inclusion of these and the IC remixes, it's clear that she (and WB) has awful taste in her own material.

Hell, after hearing the 2 new songs, I'd be even happier with NO new songs on it, and wish they had just held back "Beat Goes On" as a single to promote this set. Themeatically, it fits in title and lyrics. And it's just a great song. And the closest thing she was going to get to having a bona fide hit in the US.

Very dissatisfied with this entire project. I'm hoping the DVD at least goes some way toward redeeming it from being a total wash.

Oh well. Better luck next time...

RKJCNE said:

If you would Thief Of Hearts instead of Fever I would say we have the same thoughts. Overall I think Erotica is one of her weakest albums. Hard Candy is much better.