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Reply #480 posted 06/15/09 2:10pm

midnightmover

LiveToTell86 said:

midnightmover said:

he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway


Her shows are never 100% live, it varies from tour to tour, on the latest/current one, the backing tape comes in several times, but her mic is always on. Best evidence is "She's Not Me" where the bridge and the chorus has the tape playing but she shouts over that.

And also, Madonna never mimed as much as MJ did on the HIStory tour, and never the ballads, or songs where she stood still. It's just that people are used to Madonna not sounding the same on record as live since day one, but when MJ failed to recreate the same vocals as he did on records, he had to change to miming.

I'm gonna get burned for this, but the HIStory tour was only slightly better than the latest Britney Spears tour when it came to miming. Like how Britney mimes the only ballad of the show while she's sitting, MJ was miming the likes of "Earth Song" & "Heal The World". Embarrassing.

Yes, the History Tour was embarrassing.

But the truth is Madonna hardly ever mimes in concert. And even on tours where she has mimed it's only been on a few numbers. Nowhere near the amount of miming Michael does. He and Britney are in a league of their own when it comes to miming.
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Reply #481 posted 06/15/09 2:15pm

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midnightmover said:

LiveToTell86 said:



Her shows are never 100% live, it varies from tour to tour, on the latest/current one, the backing tape comes in several times, but her mic is always on. Best evidence is "She's Not Me" where the bridge and the chorus has the tape playing but she shouts over that.

And also, Madonna never mimed as much as MJ did on the HIStory tour, and never the ballads, or songs where she stood still. It's just that people are used to Madonna not sounding the same on record as live since day one, but when MJ failed to recreate the same vocals as he did on records, he had to change to miming.

I'm gonna get burned for this, but the HIStory tour was only slightly better than the latest Britney Spears tour when it came to miming. Like how Britney mimes the only ballad of the show while she's sitting, MJ was miming the likes of "Earth Song" & "Heal The World". Embarrassing.

Yes, the History Tour was embarrassing.

But in terms of the singing Madonna's shows are usually totally live, and even on tours where she has mimed it's only been on a few numbers, nowhere near the amount of miming Michael does.


Can madonna sing in the first place? we get it , Mj lost his voice....move on please.
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Reply #482 posted 06/15/09 2:21pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

midnightmover said:


Yes, the History Tour was embarrassing.

But in terms of the singing Madonna's shows are usually totally live, and even on tours where she has mimed it's only been on a few numbers, nowhere near the amount of miming Michael does.


Can madonna sing in the first place? we get it , Mj lost his voice....move on please.

Not really. Which makes it even more embarrassing that she is now a more credible performer than MJ.
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Reply #483 posted 06/15/09 2:21pm

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midnightmover said:

The whole point I was making was that MJ fans are NOT sincere when it comes to debate.


Not all MJ fans are insincere when it comes to debate. Most of us, and maybe it comes with age, can call him on his shit. But I also think that it's natural to defend when you are being attacked, or feel you are for who you support.

It's like the whole prince phase with Prince. Many fans felt they had to defend the change and the whole "no name" concept to the hilt, when really it had pros and cons to it.

I guess all I seem to be asking for here is respect for fellow fans and not to lump all of us into one generalisation.

So as a fan I welcome debate, because it often shows a different point of view, but only when the debate itself is sincere and not just a deliberate attempt to be divisive (and no I'm not claiming you are trying to be).

Swa



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Reply #484 posted 06/15/09 2:39pm

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midnightmover said:

seeingvoices12 said:



Can madonna sing in the first place? we get it , Mj lost his voice....move on please.

Not really. Which makes it even more embarrassing that she is now a more credible performer than MJ.



The fact that you admit that Madonna can't sing throw your ridiculous debate out of window, your continuous attempts to convince people that Mj mimes because he lost his voice will always end up in failure, people still want to see MJ no matter what you say, i know this is a bitter pill you have to swallow, but you know why people still want to see him? because everyone on this freaking planet knows that Mj is a capable singer, a child prodigy, he doesn't need to sing live for you to prove to you that he is a capable singer, he did that already when he was at his peak, we already know he can sing, as of now , while you are at it still convincing people he lost his voice, go get of cyndi lauper flop albums from the garbage can and take a listen, or go to create another Cyndi lauper flop thread, obviously you dig her so much, waste your time on her.
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Reply #485 posted 06/15/09 2:51pm

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Michael Jackson Training Son Prince Michael For Singing Career



Michael Jackson is grooming his oldest son to follow in his footsteps as the next King of Pop.

While Michael reportedly wants Prince Michael, 12, “to enjoy his childhood,” the record-setting “Thriller” legend is diligently training the preteen to make an impact on the charts in the next few years.

A Jackson Camp insider tells In Touch Weekly: “Michael has been voice-coaching him and asked to do a duet with Prince on his tour.”

“They’ve been working on a track.”

http://www.popcrunch.com/...ng-career/
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Reply #486 posted 06/15/09 3:12pm

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mookie said:



Exactly. But this is not a MJ forum, therefore fans can not and should not expect the same kind of respect he gets on a MJ forum here. If fans can't seem to understand its Michael's odd actions that have cause most of the ridicule then it just goes to show how blind they are. And I don't think being a fan stops you from seeing what is staring you in the face.
Up to Dangerous I was quite a hard-core fan of MJ but by the Bad era I knew MJ had gone too far with the plastic surgery, yet you get other fans thinking he never looked better in his life, when to more rational people or fans he had already damaged his looks completely.



Even though this isn't an MJ board, nothing is wrong with fans calling someone out if they think what they're saying is a bunch bs or unfair or just tired.
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Reply #487 posted 06/15/09 3:37pm

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Swa said:

midnightmover said:

The whole point I was making was that MJ fans are NOT sincere when it comes to debate.


Not all MJ fans are insincere when it comes to debate. Most of us, and maybe it comes with age, can call him on his shit. But I also think that it's natural to defend when you are being attacked, or feel you are for who you support.

It's like the whole prince phase with Prince. Many fans felt they had to defend the change and the whole "no name" concept to the hilt, when really it had pros and cons to it.

I guess all I seem to be asking for here is respect for fellow fans and not to lump all of us into one generalisation.

So as a fan I welcome debate, because it often shows a different point of view, but only when the debate itself is sincere and not just a deliberate attempt to be divisive (and no I'm not claiming you are trying to be).

Swa

but the prince years of 93-96 is my favorite era of P
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Reply #488 posted 06/15/09 3:43pm

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how about providing some proof instead of posting the same message over and over again. you I'm starting to think you actuallly love mj and just don't want anybody to know. sort of a those down low gay people who bash out and open gay people so people won't think their gay. yeah that must be it.
lol it makes no sense for someone to spend so much time talking about someone they hate. i know when i don't like someone if don't even think about about, i ignore them. i don't spend hours trying to get other people to hate them.

Proof? Any objective, intelligent person reading my debates with MJ loons wouldn't need proof, but since you're asking I'll give examples. Loons persistently claim he only mimes because it's hard to sing and dance at the same time. When you point out that he also mimes ballads which have no dancing in them, they completely ignore this and repeat the same already discredited argument. Rather than acknowledge the counter argument, they just pretend not to have heard it. That is devious.

I made the point that only shit singers mime in concert and proved it by asking Suga10 to name some good singers who do this. In response, he named Britney Spears and Madonna, even though he later admitted he knew full well they are shit singers. So he was being dishonest and devious when he listed them as good singers who mime (he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway). An honest response would have been to acknowledge the truth of my point, but he couldn't do that because it would reflect badly on his idol.

These are just small examples of the dishonesty that characterizes the MJ loon (please don't ask for more examples coz we'll be here all day, there are so many). The fact that they are completely oblivious to their own deceptions only underlines the necessity of blinding oneself if one wants to preserve a fantasy image of MJ. Self deception is an essential component of being an MJ fanatic. The strategy is to evade, evade, evade.

And by the way, the fact that you are speculating about my sexuality only provides more evidence of how immature and unsophisticated you are. Do you have any idea how childish that is? No, of course you don't. You're an MJ fan.


the Divine Miss M tackles, singing and dancing and being over 50 and remember she's a hardcore exorcise fanatic.
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Reply #489 posted 06/15/09 3:51pm

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David Elsewhere is supposedly working with Michael Jackson bananadance
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Reply #490 posted 06/15/09 3:51pm

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mookie said:[quote]

whatsgoingon said:

mookie said:



Exactly. But this is not a MJ forum, therefore fans can not and should not expect the same kind of respect he gets on a MJ forum here. If fans can't seem to understand its Michael's odd actions that have cause most of the ridicule then it just goes to show how blind they are. And I don't think being a fan stops you from seeing what is staring you in the face.
Up to Dangerous I was quite a hard-core fan of MJ but by the Bad era I knew MJ had gone too far with the plastic surgery, yet you get other fans thinking he never looked better in his life, when to more rational people or fans he had already damaged his looks completely.



Even though this isn't an MJ board, nothing is wrong with fans calling someone out if they think what they're saying is a bunch bs or unfair or just tired.


True. But alot of what people say are valid. If MJ didn't evolve into relatively down to earth guy, considering his background, to this guy who has completely lost the plot we wouldn't be having such discussions. The media/tabloid conspiracy fans keeping harping on about is a smoke screen, MJ is the problem the media just exaggerates the problem.
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Reply #491 posted 06/15/09 4:07pm

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whatsgoingon said:

mookie said:




Even though this isn't an MJ board, nothing is wrong with fans calling someone out if they think what they're saying is a bunch bs or unfair or just tired.


True. But alot of what people say are valid. If MJ didn't evolve into relatively down to earth guy, considering his background, to this guy who has completely lost the plot we wouldn't be having such discussions. The media/tabloid conspiracy fans keeping harping on about is a smoke screen, MJ is the problem the media just exaggerates the problem.
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and MJ brought on himself by releasing stories.
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Reply #492 posted 06/15/09 4:37pm

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cdcgold said:


don't feed the troll -troll he's hungry for attention

You can alway post excusively on the MJ forums, where no one is allowed to criticise Michael, that way you wouldn't need to get so defensive and you would be preaching to like minded people who believe 100% in coincidences.




you are not criticising with those pics you are just making yourself look like an idiot
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Reply #493 posted 06/15/09 4:39pm

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midnightmover said:

cdcgold said:



whether you believe it or ( and i don't really care) that story i posted was from aperson who was not an mj fan she just had vitiligo and happened to come across that website and posted her story. besides she had picture evidence of her transformation using makeup. so i don't get what you're arguing about. why am i even talking to you. you are the laughing stock of about 90% of the people on here

You don't realize it, but you've just proved how right I am yet again. You have COMPLETELY avoided the subject under discussion. You asked me to prove how MJ fans are devious. I gave specific examples of them dodging points, and how did you respond? You responded by COMPLETELY CHANGING THE SUBJECT. lol lol Now you and your fellow loon are talking about vitiligo which was not what we were discussing. You don't even realize that you're proving my point. That's how out of touch you are. If you could see yourself clearly you would be embarrassed right now.


which is exactly what you haters do. So i proved my point
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Reply #494 posted 06/15/09 6:51pm

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Swa said:



Not all MJ fans are insincere when it comes to debate.

It sounds like you just completely ignored my earlier post. I gave very specific examples of deviousness among his fans. Typically, all the respondents (including you) have ignored those points, which only proves once again how right I am. You guys are NOT sincere. If you can't respond to the examples I gave then don't bother responding at all, because you only prove my point about how evasive you guys are.
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I trimmed your original post down for clarity purposes (similar to what you have done to mine in your edit). As I mentioned in my original post, I was just stating a fact that not all MJ fans are insincere when it comes to debating his music etc.

My post wasn't with regards to any specific post you were referencing, but rather just a call out to all of us to treat each other with respect and stop with the deliberately divisive post coming from both sides.

Now to clear up and address your issue of lipsynching.

My take on it, is that yes initially MJ used backing tapes to assist in the vocals during dance numbers, but as time and tours went on he became more reliant on them, including as you mention some ballads. Personally I don't agree with the whole lipsynching thing. And would rather have Michael sing and stand still than bother about elaborate dance routines.

Now does the fact he lipsynchs ballads therefore prove his voice is shot? Not necessarily. In my opinion it is due more to the unfortunate perfectionist streak in Michael where he feels he has to be 100% on point and pitch in order to entertain. Rightly or wrongly the greater scrutiny he feels he is under in terms of world press etc, the more reliant he is on backing tracks. Now note I'm not making excuses, but offering an alternative point of view.

If Michael sang live would it be 100% accurate to the records? No, as no artist can do that. But sadly I think Michael is so caught up on being 100% perfect (which again is unattainable) that some of the joy that comes from imperfection and just sheer enthusiasm in live shows gets lost.

And for the record I am going to the London shows, and my eyes and ears are wide open, I know there will be some lipsynching. Do I want it to be that way, no. But I accept that that is part of who is now and accept it.

Swa
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Reply #495 posted 06/15/09 7:26pm

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Originally posted by "Savage".

Jacko to Lip sync Live in London!

Akon: 'Jackson will lip sync live'

(Sunday May 31, 2009 08:30 AM)

Akon has disappointed scores of fans who have splashed out on tickets for Michael Jackson's comeback concerts by insisting the King of Pop won't be singing live.

The R&B star, who has previously collaborated with the Thriller hitmaker, admits Jackson won't be showing off his vocals during This Is It, his upcoming seven-month London residency, and will instead rely on a pre-recorded track.

He says, "Michael singing I'm not so sure about. He will perform but not sing."

But Akon maintains audiences at the O2 Arena will still be thrilled by the spectacular show Jackson is planning: "It's going to be amazing, I can definitely tell you that. I'm going to have front row tickets. I will have the best tickets in the house and will be so close to the stage you will think that I am on it."

Jackson is scheduled to kick off This Is It in July.

http://uk.news.launch.yah...=l_news_dm





My answer to that is:


First of all I'd like to say that I'm a big fan of MJ.


But hey ! People wake up & be realistic... Michael can not sing anymore certain song without using the Lip Sync... that's a fact !

All the songs using his "Chest Voice" on a hight tone
...like for example:

"Rock With You" - "Off The Wall" - "Thriller" - "Billie Jean" - "The Way You Make Me Feel" - "Another Part Of Me" - "In The Closet"(Exept the speaking verse) - "Black or White" - "Scream" - "They Don't Care About Us" - "Blood on the Dance Floor"...

Just to name a few...



So what can he sing today without using lip synching ?


All the songs using his "Head Voice" like:

"Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" - "Workin' Day And Night" - "She's Out Of My Life" - "Heal The World"(But I still don't understand why he's always lip synching on this one !) - "Childhood" - "Speechless"...


& All the songs using a mixed register Head Voice/Chest Voice on a low tone,
like:

"Human Nature" - "Speed Demon" - "2000 Watts" - "Don't Walk Away"...


Anyway people have to be realistic... this man is only a human ... so... c'est la vie !






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Reply #496 posted 06/15/09 7:33pm

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CandaceS said:



So you're seriously suggesting people over a certain age can't sing? What age would that be?

Prince is 50 too, ya know. And I'm sure there are at least a few other people on the planet who can sing quite well at 50 and older.




You're right on that last point !

But this has nothin' to do with what I wrote.
Read again all that I wrote before not only this sentence outside its context...


Anyway I'm going to bring some precision.
I repeat once again (even if you don't want to hear it):
"Michael Jackson cannot sing any more live... some of his songs"


Why?

Because the technique of singing (very special) which he used (being grown-up) after his voice moulted to give the illusion that he was always a small teenager, damaged his voice for ever.

Vocal cords are very fragile organs... if one do not use them with precaution they get damaged and it can sometimes be irreversible... & here that's the case.

Can be that you know it, the singer is as a very competitive high-level sportsman... when he's young the more he will take care of his athlete's body and the more he can have a practice and be successful for a long time... so well settled he does not forget to take care of his athlete's body (the opera singers are the best example for that.)





C'est la vie !


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Reply #497 posted 06/15/09 7:35pm

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saafiir said:



You're right Steven Tyler is a Killer... even if he has sudden an operation of vocal cords !! (maybe that's what Mick needs)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...bUAFRqQU5E

Even if none of them could make it in the style of MJ there's also Stevie Wonder who can hit high notes... Brian Johnson, Al Jarreau, George Benson, Bobby Mac Ferin, Plácido Domingo, José Carreras,... also James Brown/Luther Vandross (R.I.P) could... & some others...


Today MJ is in the same position as Robert Plant... the difference is that Plant knew how to adapt his songs to his new tessitura of voice.

cool



Your last point is an excellent one - Paul McCartney also changes the keys of some of the Beatles songs to match the fact that his voice has changed over the years.

Some artists, like Morrissey, can't get the same high notes but have a richness they lacked in their youth.
I would argue that anyone who plans to put on a show to a paying audience should either have a strong enough voice anyway that it is not an issue, or should be musically aware enough to adapt the songs and performances to fit their limitations - and that does NOT mean miming!



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Reply #498 posted 06/15/09 7:41pm

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midnightmover said:


Proof? Any objective, intelligent person reading my debates with MJ loons wouldn't need proof, but since you're asking I'll give examples. Loons persistently claim he only mimes because it's hard to sing and dance at the same time. When you point out that he also mimes ballads which have no dancing in them, they completely ignore this and repeat the same already discredited argument. Rather than acknowledge the counter argument, they just pretend not to have heard it. That is devious.

I made the point that only shit singers mime in concert and proved it by asking Suga10 to name some good singers who do this. In response, he named Britney Spears and Madonna, even though he later admitted he knew full well they are shit singers. So he was being dishonest and devious when he listed them as good singers who mime (he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway). An honest response would have been to acknowledge the truth of my point, but he couldn't do that because it would reflect badly on his idol.

These are just small examples of the dishonesty that characterizes the MJ loon (please don't ask for more examples coz we'll be here all day, there are so many). The fact that they are completely oblivious to their own deceptions only underlines the necessity of blinding oneself if one wants to preserve a fantasy image of MJ. Self deception is an essential component of being an MJ fanatic. The strategy is to evade, evade, evade.

And by the way, the fact that you are speculating about my sexuality only provides more evidence of how immature and unsophisticated you are. Do you have any idea how childish that is? No, of course you don't. You're an MJ fan.


the Divine Miss M tackles, singing and dancing and being over 50 and remember she's a hardcore exorcise fanatic.
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Bette be slaying bitches at her concerts! cool
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Reply #499 posted 06/15/09 8:10pm

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Timmy84 said:

ehuffnsd said:



the Divine Miss M tackles, singing and dancing and being over 50 and remember she's a hardcore exorcise fanatic.
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Bette be slaying bitches at her concerts! cool

well if the all singing all dancing all joke telling Divine Miss M who's been working her ass off in the show business world since the late 1960s, and has been touring every couple of years since 1993 makes references to how hard it is to sing and dance, but she does, and in her Las Vegas makes jokes about Celine being a Robot to be able to do a show every night for 5 years makes me wonder if Michael who hasn't performed in 10 years, hasn't really sang live in almost 20 years can hold up to the rigors of the show.
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Reply #500 posted 06/15/09 8:14pm

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ehuffnsd said:

Timmy84 said:



Bette be slaying bitches at her concerts! cool

well if the all singing all dancing all joke telling Divine Miss M who's been working her ass off in the show business world since the late 1960s, and has been touring every couple of years since 1993 makes references to how hard it is to sing and dance, but she does, and in her Las Vegas makes jokes about Celine being a Robot to be able to do a show every night for 5 years makes me wonder if Michael who hasn't performed in 10 years, hasn't really sang live in almost 20 years can hold up to the rigors of the show.


I wish he would. That's all I can say right now. We have to wait until the reviews of the first show to see about Mike.
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Reply #501 posted 06/15/09 8:40pm

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ehuffnsd said:


well if the all singing all dancing all joke telling Divine Miss M who's been working her ass off in the show business world since the late 1960s, and has been touring every couple of years since 1993 makes references to how hard it is to sing and dance, but she does, and in her Las Vegas makes jokes about Celine being a Robot to be able to do a show every night for 5 years makes me wonder if Michael who hasn't performed in 10 years, hasn't really sang live in almost 20 years can hold up to the rigors of the show.


I wish he would. That's all I can say right now. We have to wait until the reviews of the first show to see about Mike.

Both of the Lady M's have cut back on their dancing in their latest tours.
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Reply #502 posted 06/15/09 9:29pm

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Timmy84 said:



I wish he would. That's all I can say right now. We have to wait until the reviews of the first show to see about Mike.

Both of the Lady M's have cut back on their dancing in their latest tours.


Maybe it's the age thing.
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Reply #503 posted 06/15/09 9:40pm

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ehuffnsd said:


Both of the Lady M's have cut back on their dancing in their latest tours.


Maybe it's the age thing.

it is, but i'm just saying i agree with Midnight on this i don't think Michael is going to be able the kind of show some of the fans on here are looking for or even pull off all 50 shows.
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Reply #504 posted 06/15/09 10:17pm

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ehuffnsd said:

Timmy84 said:



Maybe it's the age thing.

it is, but i'm just saying i agree with Midnight on this i don't think Michael is going to be able the kind of show some of the fans on here are looking for or even pull off all 50 shows.


And I respect that view. I mean all I'm saying is wait, I mean, yeah it's easy to say he can do it or can't do it, you know? But we just gotta be patient and just see what happens. shrug
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Reply #505 posted 06/15/09 10:55pm

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ehuffnsd said:


it is, but i'm just saying i agree with Midnight on this i don't think Michael is going to be able the kind of show some of the fans on here are looking for or even pull off all 50 shows.


And I respect that view. I mean all I'm saying is wait, I mean, yeah it's easy to say he can do it or can't do it, you know? But we just gotta be patient and just see what happens. shrug


Totally concur.

The sad thing in many aspects is that Michael has locked in a certain expectation in people. People won't feel they are being "entertained" unless there is the Beat It dance routine, the Thriller dance routine, the Smooth Criminal dance routine, the Billie Jean routine with moonwalk. If he pulled all these out of his show or sang while other's danced it people would rip it to shreds because they think that is what their money is entitling them to.

It is a process of wait and see. It's all we can do. He'll either prove the naysayers right or wrong. I hope it is the latter.

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Reply #506 posted 06/15/09 11:07pm

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And I respect that view. I mean all I'm saying is wait, I mean, yeah it's easy to say he can do it or can't do it, you know? But we just gotta be patient and just see what happens. shrug


Totally concur.

The sad thing in many aspects is that Michael has locked in a certain expectation in people. People won't feel they are being "entertained" unless there is the Beat It dance routine, the Thriller dance routine, the Smooth Criminal dance routine, the Billie Jean routine with moonwalk. If he pulled all these out of his show or sang while other's danced it people would rip it to shreds because they think that is what their money is entitling them to.

It is a process of wait and see. It's all we can do. He'll either prove the naysayers right or wrong. I hope it is the latter.

Swa


Right. It's like if he does change it, he's scared people won't accept it. It's been like that since the Victory tour at least.
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Reply #507 posted 06/15/09 11:13pm

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Timmy84 said:

Swa said:



Totally concur.

The sad thing in many aspects is that Michael has locked in a certain expectation in people. People won't feel they are being "entertained" unless there is the Beat It dance routine, the Thriller dance routine, the Smooth Criminal dance routine, the Billie Jean routine with moonwalk. If he pulled all these out of his show or sang while other's danced it people would rip it to shreds because they think that is what their money is entitling them to.

It is a process of wait and see. It's all we can do. He'll either prove the naysayers right or wrong. I hope it is the latter.

Swa


Right. It's like if he does change it, he's scared people won't accept it. It's been like that since the Victory tour at least.

he trapped himself by giving people what they wanted for so long instead of doing how he wanted to do it. It was like when she went on tour in 2001 after not touring since 1993 and only 2 songs from the 80s. She just said I'm insert her name here and people will come to my show regardless and if they don't like tough. People were upset, people bitched, yet people still continue to go to her shows knowing she's not going to give them what they want.
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SKINNY MICHAEL JACKSON has turned to the INCREDIBLE HULK in a desperate bid to get in shape for his comeback gigs.

Training ... Lou Ferrigno



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The singer, 50, has roped in actor LOU FERRIGNO, famed as the TV superhero, as his personal trainer.

Ex-Mr Universe Lou, 57, has been making secret visits to Jacko’s Los Angeles mansion to help improve his fitness for dance routines at London’s O2 this summer.

But sources say underweight Jacko is too frail to undergo gruelling workouts and refuses to lift weights.

The source added: “Lou has been visiting Michael to build him up so he can perform his dance routines.

“But Jacko refuses to lift weights. He doesn’t want to bulk up.”

Jacko is battling skin cancer and is terrified that piling on the pounds could ruin his chance of beating the killer disease.

The singer is dwarfed by 6ft 5in Lou.

They became pals after Jacko worked out at the actor’s gym in 2007.

Previously, bodybuilder Lou said of the Beat It singer: “Michael is more delicate. Our trainer conditioned him for dancing. He likes me — he feels safe with me, he feels protected.

“He was nervous about people looking at him when he was training.

The Sun revealed earlier this month how the 5ft 10in star weighs nine stone and eats just one meal a day.

He was diagnosed with cancer last month and has already had painful shave biopsies on his chest, arm and nose to remove potentially lethal growths.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/s...rigno.html
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Michael Jackson To Get New Madame Tussauds Waxwork - Picture
See it being made...

Monday 15th Jun 2009



Michael Jackson is being cast as a waxwork model for the thirteenth waxwork by Madame Tussauds.

The latest design depicts Jackson's familiar pelvic-thrust pose, which has been used on the tour poster for his comeback gigs in London this summer.

The waxwork is being created by sculptor Stephen Mansfield. At present, it's not clear when the model will be unveiled.

Only the Queen has had more waxworks cast by the museum, with 22.

Sculptor Stephen Mansfield works on latest Michael Jackson waxwork.

The King of Pop is currently rehearsing in Los Angeles for his 50-night concert residency at London's O2 Arena, which begins in July 13.

The singer has not performed a full concert since he was cleared of child molestation charges in 2005.

His last full tour, entitled HIStory, took place in 1996 and '97.


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