Serena said:

No offense, but unless you yourself are an artist or musician, I can't agree with your statement. Most of us get stunted or writer's block at some point, even if we're passionate about it.

suga10 said:

Just to confirm my moral superiority to you and greater self confidence I will deal with this issue, although really I shouldn't because you have once again refused to tackle the issue of his miming ballads. Your continuing refusal to respond to that shows BRAZEN AND SHAMELESS intellectual dishonesty that typifies the MJ fan. In fact, you have no response to any of the questions I put to you, because to answer them would mean facing up to your self-delusion. Now let me show you how an HONEST AND CONFIDENT person responds to points by responding directly to your query.

There are big question marks over MJ's segment with his brothers. Michael sounded great for the first few minutes for instance. I was watching the performance at home and loving it, and then all of a sudden he did "Dancing Machine" and suddenly we were back into 1997 on the History Tour. Just listen to his ad-libs at the end there ("Come on, baby" etc.) He can't get the notes and sounds in pain. Then it goes into "Shake Your Body" and suddenly he's sounding great again. What exactly is happening there? A clue may be provided by the fact that his brothers in that song are clearly miming their backing vocals. At one point Marlon is five feet away from the microphone while "singing" the "Shake your body" part for instance. A few seconds later, Jackie's lips are not moving in time to what he is supposedly "singing" (the "Shake your body" line). Don't take my word for this. Go and check it. If you can summon up perhaps the first honest moment in your life you will have to concede that I am right. So if the brothers are miming, could Michael also be miming to re-recorded vocals? How comes he sounded awful on some songs and good in others? We know he re-recorded some of his other vocals in that show; "The Way You Make Me Feel" for instance.

I've already showed the "You Rock My World" clip from the same night, and you can hear he sounds ATROCIOUS on the live bits (it was only half live). You said it was because he was ill (a lie by the way), yet he sounded fine on "Can You Feel It"? How is that possible? The only other explanation could be that, as I've stated earlier, he lacks stamina, so perhaps his voice was fresher at first, but that doesn't explain why "Dancing Machine" sounded so bad. Still, Michael's problem is clearly stamina related. He can only sing in tiny bursts before his voice wears out. Which is why he will never be able to sing a full live show ever again. It's a physical impossibility, as the last twenty years have proven time and time again.
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alphastreet said:

He's talking about performing, not writing. Please learn how to read.

midnightmover said:

I wasn't referring to michael, I just meant the general idea she has.

alphastreet said:

The general idea he/she was talking about was performing (singing, playing), not writing. He/she illustrated it clearly by giving the James Brown example.
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midnightmover said:

And how do you know that he can't do a full entire show ever again?

You're making assumptions based on things you saw 12 and 8 years ago.

You haven't seen the man's singing as of late, to make an assumption, that he can't sing anymore.

The people who are working with the man behind the scenes on albums (like Akon, Neyo, Will I Am, etc..) and for the tour know a lot more than you do, and they have only positive things to say. What the hell would they gain by telling the truth as it is.
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cdcgold said:

Just because someone isn't of the same opinion as you, does not make them a troll. I don't know Midnight, but it's someone who sounds familiar with MJs work and isn't blinded by MJs games.

You also don't need to keep calling people names, it's unnecessary and rude.

alphastreet said:

But, they stay passionate about it, that's the key, to keep trying and working to get past that point. I haven't seen any evidence, work-wise, of the fire left within MJ.

midnightmover said:

So you don't have to keep writing he/she, I'm the latter.

midnightmover said:

My comment was crystal clear, I don't think what I wrote was in chinese, it was english.

I didn't say that MJ's voice is still the same like when he was in his 20's , so your posts of those videos are really pointless, Im just laughing at some comments of you and the other cats who say that MJ's voice is LOST or Shot when the guy still a monster in the studio ....

by the way, the fact that you started flaming me with names prove how despreate you are, I don't know why you starting calling me names but it does prove that your character is flawed, you have many issues and i can offer my help if you needed, I really feel sorry for you.

Serena said:

Obviously you guys stick together


Yeah , Right

Serena said:

I think its mindblowing you didn't direct this to Midnightmover too, He insulted the majority of Mj fans here including me when i didn't even called him any name.

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Serena said:

I just noticed that MM did that after I posted. But my thoughts on that go for everyone, not just those who I agree with. But, I focused on cdc's reply because I've been on the end of his/her childish rants before and it gets tiresome.

Serena said:

And what would your opinion be of the singing he did with Akon last year?

http://www.youtube.com/wa...BVY_49KtHk

suga10 said:

If Mj's voice is lost or shot then I think he should stop releasing albums, if your voice is horrible then it will be horrible on record.

NOw, Do i think that Mj sings ON STAGE like he was used to when he was on his 20's ? Hell no, Mj's voice changed for various reasons but its not lost or shot, he still can sing greatly enough to deliver a great song like "butterflies" and "speechless"

may people don't like " speecless", but listen , he is doing an acapella in the beginning of the song, anyone who's voice is shot or lost can't the hell sing like this.
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suga10 said:

If you're wanting my opinion of the song, I think it sucks. As for MJs performance, that's a studio recording so it doesn't show what his voice sounds like 'naked'.

Doing songs with some wack-ass rapper/neo-soul singers doesn't prove MJ's got the fire now. Actually, to me, it means he didn't have the confidence to do them on his own and is going for the 'trying to be hip collaboration' thing.
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Serena said:

That song was meant to be on Akon's album, but it was leaked. Akon asked Mike to do the song with him.

It doesn't mean Mike hasn't been doing songs by himself.

And its not like other old school big artists haven't done collaborations either with the newer artists. Madonna worked with Justin Timberlake and Pharrell for her Hard Candy album, so why is it a big deal if MJ is collaborating with other artists for his newer songs? He has collaborated with Teddy Riley in the past for the Dangerous album- and made some great songs together like Remember the Time, She Drives Me Wild, Keep the Faith, Jam,etc..
Just cause he's Michael Jackson, doesn't mean he has to do everything on his own to show he's the best.
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ernestsewell said:

george michael fell out with sony as they stopped promoting listen without prejudice, and he came out and told everyone that he was refusing to release any further albums until his contract with sony had expired. the released album listen without prejudice vol 1 was the first of a set of two albums, with vol 2 intended as being the dancier version, which included tracks like too funky. some of the tracks ended up on the red hot and blue compilation, and he still continued to release singles like killer, and the queen ep, which got high up in the charts and gave him number 1 singles. he also played live shows at most of the big charity concerts, so that's why he wasn't considered retired

whitney houston became a well known drug addict after marrying bobby brown, and literally turned into a mess, so no-one expected anything from her after then, and frankly no-one really cared much either

MJ simply hasn't released any material or played any gigs in such a long time with no official explanation, which has made people understandable think that he has no interest in doing so anymore, and they have little from his side to change that opinion. other artists continue to tour and record whilst raising children, madonna being a good example, as she is of similar megastar status, and other artists continue to tour and record whilst dealing with legal cases, such as prince and george michael. normal people throughout the world deal with these issues every day whilst continuing to attend work to pay the bills and support themselves, and they don't have the finance to pay for nannys and other hired help, they have to do it themseves, and these are the very people who don't accept the excuses of raising kids etc as valid reasons for not doing anything of note in so many years

suga10 said:

It's just sad that MJ has to stoop to working with someone of Akon's caliber. No matter who invited who or what was intended for the song, it's boring and bland. Akon's label wouldn't have cut it just because it leaked if it was good enough to help sales.

So if MJ's been doing songs by himself, where's the music?



As for Madonna, Hard Candy got about 2 plays out of me before going on the shelf...because of the collaborations and crappy songs. Some collabs work, some don't. Point being, MJ, shouldn't need to collaborate with anyone. If he'd been recording constantly, got bored with his own stuff and then wanted to change gears for a bit, that's one thing. But,to have not done anything in years and then release something like that song, speaks volumes to me.

Serena said:

His new single is coming out soon before the O2 concerts kick off. That's going to be an intersting day




Well he came up with Earth Song, They Don't Care About Us, Stranger in Moscow all on his own. You tell me, why those songs weren't the biggest successes in North America? Earth Song and Stranger in Moscow were great songs, and MJ did a great job with coming up with the whole creative process, but those songs were not that successful up here in North America- they did better in Europe. It helps to get input from other people, when you're making songs, because all great artists have their moments- where they can't always bring out instant worldwide hits on their own. It happens after some point.It doesn't mean the artist has become bad- but getting idea from others who are big on the scene helps.
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suga10 said:

Yes, if it happens, it will be!




I can see needing input when your tank has run out. But, given the lack of his output, it seems he should have TONS of ideas just waiting to be given life, without help from folks no one will remember in a few years.

And midnight mover does not need to insult others by calling them fools or retards if they don't agree with him.

ehuffnsd said:

I suppose madonna is a god then?

suga10 said:

right, that's what i'm saying.

my heart is breaking

no artist in the history of the planet has ever rescheduled concert dates until mike jackson

this has never happened before ever. who ever heard of such a thing.

oh the drama! the outrage!

Serena said:

will you be buying his new album?

cdcgold said:

i still can't figure out why peeps keep responding to the resident mj trolls like him and goingon and now another one

they have no interest in discourse about mj

they show up in every mj thread to trash him

ignore the trolls and they'll go back under their bridge

CalhounSq said:

well he don't need your money honey.

he already sold out every show.

now go back to your room and put on one of prince's flop albums

big surprise, mj is a f'n wacko mf

TheWifey said:

Well, if I believed he had a new album coming out, I doubt it. Unless I heard some killer tracks first, I wouldn't bother.

Serena said:

I see.

You're not that interested anyway but you have a thousand opinions on who he chooses to colloborate with and you're bothered enough to post about it.