angel345 said:

No offense, but that's probabaly because you were a crap singer too.

midnightmover said:

Back to Micheal. Would you admit that laryngitis was an issue for him as it was for Mariah?

You are deaf. The quote is EXACTLY as I said it was in my last post. She said "Can you get your pitching right? Can you get your timing right?" I know English is not your first language, but pitching means tuning. That means he was out of key. I guarantee you, no producer ever had to tell him to sing in tune before the 1990s. No way. Likewise, she had to coax him to sing more powerfully. Having heard his WEAK vocals on the History Tour that is no surprise, but it would not have been an issue for MJ in his younger years. Now, Marsha is very grateful to MJ and that documentary series was COMPLETELY POSITIVE about everyone it profiled, including MJ, so the fact that she let that slip was surprising to me. What's not surprising is that you should completely miss the significance of it.

Now apparently, she gave a more detailed account of this in a magazine interview. What would be helpful would be if someone could provide details about
that interview. Someone here must know the name of the magazine for instance.

Am I the only one who cringes at the end of Rock With You? When he goes off at the end it's always a bit off key, even moreso when the vocal is brought forward on all those 90s remixes.

angel345 said:

I have no idea what's caused Michael's astonishing vocal decline. I don't know if anyone does.

midnightmover said:

I think his voice was affected after singing such high notes during the Bad Tour. I heard about a Teddy Riley interview that said Michael had trouble singing Keep the Faith during the Dangerous recording sessions(originally the song was meant to have higher notes but then the final version's notes had to be brought down a couple a notches). Apparently the story was Michael started crying because he had trouble singing that song the way it was originally set up, and Riley had to comfort him and changed the song's note range.
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midnightmover said:

I think his voice was affected after singing such high notes during the Bad Tour. I heard about a Teddy Riley interview that said Michael had trouble singing Keep the Faith during the Dangerous recording sessions(originally the song was meant to have higher notes but then the final version's notes had to be brought down a couple a notches). Apparently the story was Michael started crying because he had trouble singing that song the way it was originally set up, and Riley had to comfort him and changed the song's note range.
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OK, I know I am not obviously the greatest of MJ fans, but I saw this vid earlier on TV, and thought, WOW. This is f..king amazing. I was stunned, his dancing ability, charisma and voice, left me blabbing on to a friend, "Look at this, that is the real MJ", this friend even got into it and was amazed by some of the JB moves he was doing.

Whitnail said:

Agreed, but this was over 30 years ago....MJ has never been one to grow old gracefully.

Agreed, but this was over 30 years ago....MJ has never been one to grow old gracefully.

eireboy34 said:

Now THAT is an understatement!!

BTW, that Jacksons clip is .

I can't claim to remember the experience, but I bet I watched that on TV when it originally aired!

CandaceS said:

Glad you liked it, i thought it was cool also, but when i got home and got the youtube version, i started to feel sad, that such a talent was wasted today, imagine a fit an healthy MJ today, making great music with the likes of Prince, Stevie and so on...

Alas, it was not to be

CandaceS said:

Glad you liked it, i thought it was cool also, but when i got home and got the youtube version, i started to feel sad, that such a talent was wasted today, imagine a fit an healthy MJ today, making great music with the likes of Prince, Stevie and so on...

Alas, it was not to be

Don't count him out just yet. He just may surprise you.

Swa

midnightmover said:

I wouldn't read too much into the pitching thing... MJ has always been sharp on record.... listen to "I can't help it" from 1979... he's off pitch plenty on that. The difference is Quincy Jones was used to listening to real singers and this Floetry lass is used to hearing everybody's record autotuned and in perfect pitch all the time. Hence the performance in 1979 was given the tick and the one in 2001 was re-recorded.
Just goes to show that being on pitch ain't everything, there's much more to a great performance than that...

MJ is a natural, so of course he has it in him to put down a great performance, I hope he adapts to his current situation, ie accepts the fact that he's 50 years old and works with it on stage!

Good luck to him!
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Whilst I hated the show itself, his live singing at MSG in 2001 was fairly decent. Especally when he performed alongside his brothers. His performances of Can You Feel It, Dancing Machine and Shake Your Body were right on the money!

He struggled through "You Rock My World" in both shows, lol. He messed up part of his moonwalk on the first night, lol. But apparently he did well singing live during the Jacksons segment. This and the YRMW performances were constants. Another difference was he performed YRMW alone the first night and with dancers the second, lol.

In this brief clip he sounded wonderful


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nd33 said:

It's more the fact that she let that slip when she was meant to be praising him. It's like "Oh, this guy's made me so happy! I'm so grateful! He had bad breath. What a wonderful guy!" It just seemed slightly out of place and I believe it was a significant slip. Telling everyone how you had to correct his timing, his pitching and get him to sing more powerfully is at odds with the intention of the interview, which was to express her gratitude. Obviously it was too strong a memory for her to keep quiet about it.

Also, stories like this have to be taken in context of what we've heard of him on stage in recent years. We've HEARD his massive decline, so it seems silly to pretend otherwise. Even on record he doesn't sound as good as he once did.

And I have never noticed him being off key on Off The Wall. He did record most of those vocals in just an hour or two though. By contrast, it apparently took him three weeks to record "Butterflies". Many of his Motown vocals (like "Ben" for instance) were recorded in a single take and they were all flawless. He didn't need three weeks to nail them. Three minutes was more than enough.
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bboy87 said:

Can't martin bashir just shut up for once so we can hear his voice? dumb interviewer...

he once asked 7 years old prince "what qualifies you to make such a strong judgment?

How in hell a 7 years old would understand this question, Dumb interviewer...

In this brief clip he sounded wonderful


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bboy87 said:

This song he recorded, "Speechless", "Heaven Can Wait", "Gone Too Soon" and "She's Out Of My Life" have me choking back tears It'll be nice if he sings them at his concert. Bboy, would you please download the recorded version of "Smile". I would appreciate it.

In this brief clip he sounded wonderful


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