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Reply #420 posted 12/13/07 12:22pm

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I'm not familar with Goldfrapp's work but I've heard a lot about them. I just want to see Janet flip the script for herself. That sounds like a good idea VC.


Check out Goldfrapp, I think you'd like them, purplecam biggrin

Will do. thumbs up! Thanks VC biggrin
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Reply #421 posted 12/13/07 12:23pm

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When Telepopmuzik was announced as a contributor to Damita Jo, I was really excited because I thought that she might just go in that direction. Sadly, all they did was that stupid interlude that starts the album.

You and me both! I was heated that something so promising was limited to only a sound clip. Not to mention that Basement Jaxx has made it known they'd love to work with her and nothing ever came of it and instead we got Crap On Me with Band-Aid Boy and Jerky the magic leprechaun.pissed
[Edited 12/13/07 12:22pm]

Basement Jaxx wants to work with Janet? She should jump at that.
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Reply #422 posted 12/13/07 12:27pm

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carmenjonze said:

Axchi696 said:



When Telepopmuzik was announced as a contributor to Damita Jo, I was really excited because I thought that she might just go in that direction. Sadly, all they did was that stupid interlude that starts the album.

You and me both! I was heated that something so promising was limited to only a sound clip. Not to mention that Basement Jaxx has made it known they'd love to work with her and nothing ever came of it and instead we got Crap On Me with Band-Aid Boy and Jerky the magic leprechaun.pissed
[Edited 12/13/07 12:22pm]


Hold up hold up hold up. You mean to tell me Basement Jaxx said they wanted to work with her AFTER she publicly stated that she digs them? What’s the problem?
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Reply #423 posted 12/13/07 12:29pm

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It was always a little puzzling to me why Janet never explored the downbeat/chillout movement, especially since her voice is tailormade for it. Something along the lines of a Zero 7 or Frou Frou would be miles fresher than the "baby making tunes" which almost always begin with the Weather Channel cues. Strikes me as funny that TVR is now held as the standard bearer from the tastemakers...revisionist history is a bitch, man.lol
I firmly believe that had that album been received well right off the bat, Janet would've been more open to continuing that experimental vibe of that era instead of trying to recapture 1993 on 4 albums straight.



nod Yes! This is what I'm saying. Just a give it a try. I would have more respect for her. You can be commercial and do something other.

Yeah, Madonna showed that with "Frozen". It sounded like nothing else out there and it was also a massive commercial hit. However, I agree with voicescarry. Janet is not only not that type of artist, but she's just not that type of person. If I had to characterise her with one word, that word would probably be "passive". She goes with the flow. Always has done, always will. To expect her to do otherwise is to fundamentally misunderstand what she is.
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Reply #424 posted 12/13/07 12:41pm

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nod Yes! This is what I'm saying. Just a give it a try. I would have more respect for her. You can be commercial and do something other.

Yeah, Madonna showed that with "Frozen". It sounded like nothing else out there and it was also a massive commercial hit. However, I agree with voicescarry. Janet is not only not that type of artist, but she's just not that type of person. If I had to characterise her with one word, that word would probably be "passive". She goes with the flow. Always has done, always will. To expect her to do otherwise is to fundamentally misunderstand what she is.


Oddly enough I discovered that somewhere during TVR. It all of a sudden became very clear and that's when I began to lose interest and frankly it's why I don't consider her an 'artist'. No wonder her interviews were so damn dry.
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Reply #425 posted 12/13/07 1:08pm

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VoicesCarry said:

According to CNN, Janet's new song "Feedback" is the subject of 1.34 million blogs around the world in a matter of 5 hours, and radio stations across the country has been swamped with hundreds of thousands of phone calls to play the song, making "Feeback" the most successful debut leak in music history. Major radio station website has been stalled because traffic for the song spiked damn near ninety percent. They said no other leak has generated this much buzz and anticipation since, well, never. And it hasnt even been released yet. The ablum will be released February 26, 2008 and she is currently shooting the video at an undisclosed location.


not surprised with that...with L.A. reid behind the album it was expected 2 have a massive campaign. And I'm glad most of u guys are happy that she finally got a potential hit...I'm, on the other hand, still waiting 4 good quality songs (which is not the case of feedback)...and it has been a looooong wait. I'm still yearning 4 the next album, hoping that is anything different from this song.
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Reply #426 posted 12/13/07 1:08pm

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Just because she’s a youth-oriented 40-something year old doesn’t mean she has to keep up with the kids. She can make a nice transition into something other. She doesn’t have a strong voice but she has a pretty voice. She could do something in between the Brazilian and what Sade or Amel Larrieux does or do silky dance tracks. Create a whole new groove. Ugh. It’s really limitless.

It was always a little puzzling to me why Janet never explored the downbeat/chillout movement, especially since her voice is tailormade for it. Something along the lines of a Zero 7 or Frou Frou would be miles fresher than the "baby making tunes" which almost always begin with the Weather Channel cues. Strikes me as funny that TVR is now held as the standard bearer from the tastemakers...revisionist history is a bitch, man.lol
I firmly believe that had that album been received well right off the bat, Janet would've been more open to continuing that experimental vibe of that era instead of trying to recapture 1993 on 4 albums straight.

i've been digging Dannii Minogue's work with After Life

Take Me Inside
You Won't Forget About Me(Afterlife Mix)
I Can't Sleep At Night(Afterlife Mix)
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Xanadu.

I think that would be a great genre for janet.
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Reply #427 posted 12/13/07 1:08pm

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I should have been more specific about the dancing. Toxic WHUPPED Damita Jo's ass. I can't wait for the new CD either.



I still can't believe that Damita Jo is looked on with such disdain. If you take out the inane interludes (which were probably the worst ones she's ever done), the awful album cover, and the album filler (which admittedly was a good 1/3 of the disc), you're left with about 9 or 10 really solid tracks.

The stetch of tracks from 'All Nite' through 'Thinkin About My Ex' is one of my favorite on any Janet record, ever.

"Just a Little While" was dumb, and never should've been the first single, but it's no worse than "Whoops Now" or, hell "Someone to Call My Lover".

"Moist", save for the awful title, is probably her best sex song since "Rope Burn" or maybe even "Anytime, Anyplace".

And "Put Your Hands On" should've made the cut. It would've sat well next to "Slo Love".

So there are 9 winners:

All Nite
R&B Junkie
I Want You
Like You Don't Love Me
Thinkin About My Ex
Moist
Slo Love
Just a Little While
Put Your Hands On

and even "Strawberry Bounce" and "Sexhibition" weren't terrible.

I digress, the album should've been a bigger hit, IMO.

I agree with you, but, Damita Jo (as an album) was HORRIBLE. Just because some good songs are on an album, doesn't make the album good.
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Reply #428 posted 12/13/07 1:21pm

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JackieBlue said:

carmenjonze said:


You and me both! I was heated that something so promising was limited to only a sound clip. Not to mention that Basement Jaxx has made it known they'd love to work with her and nothing ever came of it and instead we got Crap On Me with Band-Aid Boy and Jerky the magic leprechaun.pissed
[Edited 12/13/07 12:22pm]


Hold up hold up hold up. You mean to tell me Basement Jaxx said they wanted to work with her AFTER she publicly stated that she digs them? What’s the problem?


The same problem she had with "20 YO"...I could have sworn that the pharse JD used for "Damita Jo", which ended up sounding like a masterpiece in comparison to tepid "20 YO" was that it "wasn't urban enough". Something like that! Meanwhile, it suffered from trying to akwardly fuse current R&B with Janet's just fine pop and dance stuff.
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Reply #429 posted 12/13/07 1:37pm

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nod Same here; Up until (and including) TVR, Janet was making state-of-the-art pop music. Afterwards, she just seemed to be chasing trends. I wish she'd have taken some big chances (hell, taken ANY chances) in her musical career. Even if it was a commercial disaster, I think Janft might get more respect.


Just because she’s a youth-oriented 40-something year old doesn’t mean she has to keep up with the kids. She can make a nice transition into something other. She doesn’t have a strong voice but she has a pretty voice. She could do something in between the Brazilian and what Sade or Amel Larrieux does or do silky dance tracks. Create a whole new groove. Ugh. It’s really limitless.



i've always been a bigger fan of janet's mid-tempo and slow jams and im waiting for her to do a total slow jam album with jimmy and terry. the problem with that is janet unlike most of her contemporaries is still expected to keep pace with the beyonce's and ciara's of the world.janet said her favorite music is brazilian,but if she attempted to record an album like this, and it could be a great record, but we all know she will be ripped for 'flopping' if she dont go platinum.janet dont have the luxury of other 'older' artists who can release their music and not have to sell big numbers, look at what everyone always says..'this is janet's last chance if she gonna save her career'...last chance for what? she's already been here over 20 years.
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Reply #430 posted 12/13/07 1:43pm

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I just had to see what the bitches are cackling about @ 400+ comments lol

I'll have to listen to it, I hope I like it too. YAY for Janet cool
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Reply #431 posted 12/13/07 1:53pm

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JackieBlue said:

carmenjonze said:


You and me both! I was heated that something so promising was limited to only a sound clip. Not to mention that Basement Jaxx has made it known they'd love to work with her and nothing ever came of it and instead we got Crap On Me with Band-Aid Boy and Jerky the magic leprechaun.pissed
[Edited 12/13/07 12:22pm]


Hold up hold up hold up. You mean to tell me Basement Jaxx said they wanted to work with her AFTER she publicly stated that she digs them? What’s the problem?

They were supposed to collaborate right around the AFY era. S.F.M. was inspired by her and she was due to lay down vocals on Get Me Off on Rooty. I guess schedules couldn't be coordinated or whatever...*sigh* What could've been... confused
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Reply #432 posted 12/13/07 1:56pm

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Now I just hope they don't fuck it up with some weak video!! "So Excited" looked like a misture of All Nite/Pleasure Principle/Son of a Gun. 3 million dollars for "Call On Me" was a waste & they probably never recouped that money. I hope its something iconic and will have EVERYBODY trying to copy her choreography like the old days. Does she still have Gil?
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Reply #433 posted 12/13/07 1:57pm

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CalhounSq said:

I just had to see what the bitches are cackling about @ 400+ comments lol

I'll have to listen to it, I hope I like it too. YAY for Janet cool

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Reply #434 posted 12/13/07 1:57pm

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Now I just hope they don't fuck it up with some weak video!! "So Excited" looked like a misture of All Nite/Pleasure Principle/Son of a Gun. 3 million dollars for "Call On Me" was a waste & they probably never recouped that money. I hope its something iconic and will have EVERYBODY trying to copy her choreography like the old days. Does she still have Gil?


I don't know. There are rumours that he is not choreographing the video.
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Reply #435 posted 12/13/07 2:02pm

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Although I do have to ask, when the hell is the Cher voice box going to die off? lol No more of that Do you Believe in Love effect on music! stfu lol It wasn't cute when she did it and it's just lazy lol
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Reply #436 posted 12/13/07 2:12pm

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Axchi696 said:

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I should have been more specific about the dancing. Toxic WHUPPED Damita Jo's ass. I can't wait for the new CD either.



I still can't believe that Damita Jo is looked on with such disdain. If you take out the inane interludes (which were probably the worst ones she's ever done), the awful album cover, and the album filler (which admittedly was a good 1/3 of the disc), you're left with about 9 or 10 really solid tracks.

The stetch of tracks from 'All Nite' through 'Thinkin About My Ex' is one of my favorite on any Janet record, ever.

"Just a Little While" was dumb, and never should've been the first single, but it's no worse than "Whoops Now" or, hell "Someone to Call My Lover".

"Moist", save for the awful title, is probably her best sex song since "Rope Burn" or maybe even "Anytime, Anyplace".

And "Put Your Hands On" should've made the cut. It would've sat well next to "Slo Love".

So there are 9 winners:

All Nite
R&B Junkie
I Want You
Like You Don't Love Me
Thinkin About My Ex
Moist
Slo Love
Just a Little While
Put Your Hands On

and even "Strawberry Bounce" and "Sexhibition" weren't terrible.

I digress, the album should've been a bigger hit, IMO.


JUST A LITTLE WHILE.. was AWESOME excited that song really was cool.. it had that guitar... and she was singing about fruiiits..... i love that song.. its my favorite off DJ.... did you guys ever see the performance to the song... cause if you haven't it might change your mind about that song.... I immediately liked the song when i first heard it... by chance... we were on our way back from the store and my mom was changing the radio stations and i heard her voice and these cool guitars.. and I looooove the song... its the best.. next to Island life
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Reply #437 posted 12/13/07 2:31pm

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Janet's new song is the booty shaker she needed.
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Reply #438 posted 12/13/07 3:36pm

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Axchi696 said:




I still can't believe that Damita Jo is looked on with such disdain. If you take out the inane interludes (which were probably the worst ones she's ever done), the awful album cover, and the album filler (which admittedly was a good 1/3 of the disc), you're left with about 9 or 10 really solid tracks.

The stetch of tracks from 'All Nite' through 'Thinkin About My Ex' is one of my favorite on any Janet record, ever.

"Just a Little While" was dumb, and never should've been the first single, but it's no worse than "Whoops Now" or, hell "Someone to Call My Lover".

"Moist", save for the awful title, is probably her best sex song since "Rope Burn" or maybe even "Anytime, Anyplace".


And "Put Your Hands On" should've made the cut. It would've sat well next to "Slo Love".



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Reply #439 posted 12/13/07 3:40pm

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midnightmover said:


Yeah, Madonna showed that with "Frozen". It sounded like nothing else out there and it was also a massive commercial hit. However, I agree with voicescarry. Janet is not only not that type of artist, but she's just not that type of person. If I had to characterise her with one word, that word would probably be "passive". She goes with the flow. Always has done, always will. To expect her to do otherwise is to fundamentally misunderstand what she is.


Oddly enough I discovered that somewhere during TVR. It all of a sudden became very clear and that's when I began to lose interest and frankly it's why I don't consider her an 'artist'. No wonder her interviews were so damn dry.
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What happened!!?? The Velvet Rope was an EVENT. I rememebr the MTV listening booth things and the 15 second clips they use to play and have fan reactions and they all looked like they were lovin this new style.

SHe just came off of Scream (no one ever heard her vocals like that b4), and she was so different than ALL the bitches out @ the time. And she had good hits too...I Get lonely and Together Again were smashes. Im just tired of the past 9 years of Janet 'selling out'
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Reply #440 posted 12/13/07 3:49pm

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Oddly enough I discovered that somewhere during TVR. It all of a sudden became very clear and that's when I began to lose interest and frankly it's why I don't consider her an 'artist'. No wonder her interviews were so damn dry.
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What happened!!?? The Velvet Rope was an EVENT. I rememebr the MTV listening booth things and the 15 second clips they use to play and have fan reactions and they all looked like they were lovin this new style.

SHe just came off of Scream (no one ever heard her vocals like that b4), and she was so different than ALL the bitches out @ the time. And she had good hits too...I Get lonely and Together Again were smashes. Im just tired of the past 9 years of Janet 'selling out'


No, I meant what happened with she and Basement Jaxx not working together somewhere down the line.

I got into TVR late because during the early promotion there were personal things with Janet that didn't sit well with me and I had to step away for a minute. So I fell in love with TVR when some of the hoopla had died down.
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Reply #441 posted 12/13/07 3:50pm

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I still can't believe that Damita Jo is looked on with such disdain. If you take out the inane interludes (which were probably the worst ones she's ever done), the awful album cover, and the album filler (which admittedly was a good 1/3 of the disc), you're left with about 9 or 10 really solid tracks.

The stetch of tracks from 'All Nite' through 'Thinkin About My Ex' is one of my favorite on any Janet record, ever.

"Just a Little While" was dumb, and never should've been the first single, but it's no worse than "Whoops Now" or, hell "Someone to Call My Lover".

"Moist", save for the awful title, is probably her best sex song since "Rope Burn" or maybe even "Anytime, Anyplace".


And "Put Your Hands On" should've made the cut. It would've sat well next to "Slo Love".



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Have u not heard Take Care or have u been livin in a rock?



Eh, shrug I didn't think "Take Care" was all that; it was probably one of the better songs on the album, but that isn't saying much. Plus, that line about "I'll lay here and take care of it/until you come home to me" was one of the most UNsexy things she's ever sung...
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Reply #442 posted 12/13/07 4:02pm

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Axchi696 said:

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IS U CRAZY?

Have u not heard Take Care or have u been livin in a rock?



Eh, shrug I didn't think "Take Care" was all that; it was probably one of the better songs on the album, but that isn't saying much. Plus, that line about "I'll lay here and take care of it/until you come home to me" was one of the most UNsexy things she's ever sung...

what about witchu, or this body.... I love those songs...
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Reply #443 posted 12/13/07 4:08pm

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TotalAlisa said:

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Eh, shrug I didn't think "Take Care" was all that; it was probably one of the better songs on the album, but that isn't saying much. Plus, that line about "I'll lay here and take care of it/until you come home to me" was one of the most UNsexy things she's ever sung...

what about witchu, or this body.... I love those songs...



The album randomly comes up on my iTunes and I still can't even remember how With U goes.. This Body is a little better, but not much. Roll Witchu (although I HATE that title) is one of the stronger songs from the sessions, although it didn't even make the album proper. 20 YO = American Life. I don't care how many fans love/support the albums, they'll never click with me. Better just to roll on the new era.
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Reply #444 posted 12/13/07 4:52pm

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Reply #445 posted 12/13/07 8:11pm

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DAMMIT JANET!

I love you....

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Reply #446 posted 12/13/07 9:13pm

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VoicesCarry said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I think it's weird people expecting her to be the next Joan Baez lol Growing up we could all relate to the love stuff and dancing to the rhythm of a nation but it's just kind of weird people expecting this of her when she has never been Maya Angelou lol


She did Rhythm Nation and suddenly some people thought she had to be a sociopolitical commentator for the rest of her life to "live up" to that album. Meanwhile, there's about 2 songs on that album (Livin' In A World (They Didn't Make) and State of the World) that had some social commentary. The rest is Janet dancing her ass off and singing about love. Don't know why she is held to a higher standard than her contemporaries. As long as it's fun and catchy (what a pop star should be), I'm there.


Because "The Knowledge" is her second best song ever. God I wish they would remaster that shit! Miss U Much would sound so awesome as well.
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Reply #447 posted 12/13/07 9:21pm

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Janet dug herself into a hole by associating herself so much with one production team. So now when the word got out that this album was not going to include any collaborations with Jam & Lewis, some people were disappointed. I'm glad she is taking the chance of working with new producers and starting from scratch, so to speak, by dissociating herself from the Jam & Lewis sound and trying something different (for her).



See, I almost think of "Janet Jackson" as a band made up of Janet, JJ and TL. They were the directors of her image and sound, and as such, people have a hard time imagining her without them. And even though their time together has long since passed, it'll be their work that she's remembered for.


Exactly!

That's so what I've been trying to articulate.

Funny though, how JJ and TL have spent so much time sampling past works (often their own) on Janet's music. Janet's music with them has always been the perfect, postmodern, ahead of its time (but also a throwback - literally). They took self-harmonizing and industrial beats (not to mention a legitimate presence of funk) to a whole nother level in pop. It's Diana Ross meets The Time meets Prince meets New Jack Swing meets Michael Jackson. So yeah, the three of them basically created this sound - the Janet Jackson sound - so Janet without them is like a band broke up.

Madonna is totally a different story. She has switched up producers every album or two and hasnt really helped create any one sound. She has always tried so damn hard to sound relevant that every record immediately sounds dated after two years. I love her but - nothing about her songs scream 'classic' (save for a few, like Like A Prayer, Burning Up, Deeper and Deeper) the way Janet's early hits do.
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Reply #448 posted 12/13/07 9:45pm

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Am I the only one on this board who STILL spins 20 YO (semi) regularly? I love that album!


Nope biggrin

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Reply #449 posted 12/13/07 10:17pm

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I'm liking the title Discipline. I don't want to get my hopes up for commercial success though- I'll just be happy to have another Janet album I like.

As for 20 Y.O.- it's still one of my top 10 albums of '06. wink
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