I agree. She is 26 and has sold more albums than Janet Jackson who has been in show business for 25 years. She achieved so much fame and success in such a short time. I was still in grade school when she came out, and I remember loving her albums as a child.

Calligraphy said:

I agree. She is 26 and has sold more albums than Janet Jackson who has been in show business for 25 years. She achieved so much fame and success in such a short time. I was still in grade school when she came out, and I remember loving her albums as a child.

Calligraphy said:

I agree. She is 26 and has sold more albums than Janet Jackson who has been in show business for 25 years. She achieved so much fame and success in such a short time. I was still in grade school when she came out, and I remember loving her albums as a child.

Rodya24 said:

That's merely proof that sales do not directly correlate with music credibilty. Britney Spears has not had a hit song in several years and never was a credible recording artist to begin with. Now with all her manufactured image and trappings taken away, you see her for what she is -- namely, a marginally talented person whose image was her calling card.

Rodya24 said:

wait a minute, what the hell does album sales have to do with anything? the girl feel on her face on a national plateform and has no one but herself to blame...nobody got all philosophical when ashley simpsons screwed up on a national platform...these folks make a living by "performing". and if they can't meet the standards that they have set form themselves they best stay the f*ck away from the stage.

i give madd props to folks like grace slick and christine mcvie who would rather call it a day then make fools of themselves on stage.

I really don't think Rihanna was all-out laughing at Britney

looked like Rhianna was having fun with her friend

Rhianna probably was a huge Britney fan in junior high, she already copped to loving Spice Girls.

Rodya24 said:

That's merely proof that sales do not directly correlate with music credibilty. Britney Spears has not had a hit song in several years and never was a credible recording artist to begin with. Now with all her manufactured image and trappings taken away, you see her for what she is -- namely, a marginally talented person whose image was her calling card.

Not a great performance, but not the dismal failure I'm hearing it called. Pity she didn't update her look, material and concept to something more flattering for a mother of two.

Britney's evolution is a cautionary tale. She had a meteoric rise, and the press and music industry couldn't get enough of her. Now, it appears those agents are out to cannibalize what's left of her.

She ceased being a person long ago, it seems, and now is little more than an icon for public consumption. And folks appear to be lining up to feast while the carrion is still warm. I've never been a fan of hers, but it's still sad to see this befall her.

I wonder if she could have gotten a fair shake at all, under any circumstances.

I mentioned the albums sales figures to support my point that she achieved much fame and success in a short span of time.

I still think she has several great songs in her catalog. Like Janet Jackson, she is in complete dependence of talented producers and songwriters.

Rodya24 said:

And unlike Britney Spears, Janet Jackson has much more staying power and viability as a recording artist. What part of that are you missing?

You also mentioned listening to Spears' music in grade school -- which puts you in high school at the most. To put it in context, Jackson was a dominant act on the pop music scene before way you were born.

If you ask me Janet was hottest at 27 in the "If" video, so it's not like just because Britney is now a mom she couldn't have pulled this off.

Hadn't Janet had children by that age too?

i really feel torn on her downfall (and any rise and fall like this, honestly). on one hand i think, "oh well, you wanna celebrate this lifestyle you get what it sows."

after all, in reference to these immoral people, the Bible says, "I won't be your shepherd. Let those that are dying die. Let those that are missing stay missing. And let those that are left devour each other." (zechariah 11:9)

Najee said:

I still think that Janet Jackson and Britney Spears are on the same level as talent goes.

I still think that Janet Jackson and Britney Spears are on the same level as talent goes. Sure, Janet was popular during the late '80s and throughout the '90s, but that does not make me think she is talented as a singer or producer. If Britney Spears had producers like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis... .

sassybritches said:

Mods, please move this post.

http://prince.org/msg/105

sassybritches said:

Mods, please move this post.

http://prince.org/msg/105

Rodya24 said:

And if Janet Jackson was a blond-headed little white girl who was on the Mickey Mouse Club as a teen-ager and made her life a tabloid staple, she likely would receive the same type of press Britney Spears has without needing to have nearly the staying power over the past two-plus decades to warrant such respect. So I would say it sort of washes out.

The reality is that one artist (Jackson) has been a staple in the pop music scene for more than 20 years. If anything, Spears is a derivative of what Jackson did in the 1980s and 1990s.
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Rodya24 said:

And if Janet Jackson was a blond-headed little white girl who was on the Mickey Mouse Club as a teen-ager and made her life a tabloid staple, she likely would receive the same type of press Britney Spears has without needing to have nearly the staying power over the past two-plus decades to warrant such respect. So I would say it sort of washes out.

The reality is that one artist (Jackson) has been a staple in the pop music scene for more than 20 years. If anything, Spears is a derivative of what Jackson did in the 1980s and 1990s.
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Najee said:

I would argue that Janet Jackson being a Jackson has a lot to do with her success. Few artists would have been able to hit it big after having their first two albums fail commercially -- especially if the particular person, unlike Prince, lacks talent.

I would argue that Janet Jackson being a Jackson has a lot to do with her success. Few artists would have been able to hit it big after having their first two albums fail commercially -- especially if the particular person, unlike Prince, lacks talent.

Rodya24 said:

wait, so britney has talent but janet doesnt? please keep in mind that britney replicates janet on stage before you answer.

*sigh*

Apparently, MTV made her change the routine she had planned at the last minute.

She also didn't want Sarah Silverman to say what she did, because she overhead her rehearsing those lines about her kids being mistakes.

So to me, I'd say it's a mixture of nervousness, not being ready mentally, physically or rehearsed, upset because of the comments Silverman made, pissed off at MTV for changing it and just not feeling it in general.

God no. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that both are on about the same level in singing, dancing, and musical skills.

Janet was dependent on Paula Abdul and her brother for dancing, for her sound on Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. And her stage performances -- even Madonna.

Britney Spears is dependent on a host of people also.

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My concern is over a real person who has feelings, hopes, vulnerability... and two children. Assuming she's sober, this has got to be one of the toughest nights of Britney's life. I've never been a fan, but this was just brutal. And that b*tch Sarah Silverman needs to learn when a joke is called for. Suggesting, while the very person is under the same roof, that someone has "done everything she's (ever) gonna do" is pretty strong. But going on to suggest that her two children are "mistakes" when she knows full well the type of stuff this woman has been going through lately is completely uncalled for.

And so I wonder what lesson Britney is supposed to get from this, and what mode of action she should take... Should she slough off the bad reviews, lose a few more pounds and forge ahead? Should she simply change her style? Should she drop out of the industry altogether and go the way of Denise Matthews? I dunno.

It'll be interesting to see where she goes, and I hope she's got a good, positive network of support around her and actually uses it.
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