Pbg said:

VoicesCarry said:

As I said several posts up (did you bother to read 'em, anyway?), Elvis doesn't deserve the blame since he was just a product of his times. And regarding the Huey Lewis thing, that was a direct rip of their song, why wouldn't they sue? Music may be free, but creative license is not.[/quote]


So what if it is similer. Jesus. The music industry is just so fucking petty. Remember chukc d calling elvis racist? WTF was that about?

Elvis made rock n roll. and whilst yes blacks may of beem pissed to see him hailed as the king, but as has already been stated, elvis deserved that shit.
(who cares about his title anyway?)

U say elvis doesn't deserve the blame, so who does then? Tom Parker?

I still don't get how u can steal something that is not infact not an object?
Like that dude who got sued for copying his own song? WTF?

Music as a business is just wrong when it comes to copyright infrindgement. If u directly sample, u credit it.

Rick James bitched about hammer yet hammer credits james and I bet james got millions out of that shit.

thesexofit said:

So what if it is similer. Jesus. The music industry is just so fucking petty. Remember chukc d calling elvis racist? WTF was that about?

Elvis made rock n roll. and whilst yes blacks may of beem pissed to see him hailed as the king, but as has already been stated, elvis deserved that shit.
(who cares about his title anyway?)

U say elvis doesn't deserve the blame, so who does then? Tom Parker?

I still don't get how u can steal something that is not infact not an object?
Like that dude who got sued for copying his own song? WTF?

Music as a business is just wrong when it comes to copyright infrindgement. If u directly sample, u credit it.

Rick James bitched about hammer yet hammer credits james and I bet james got millions out of that shit.

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Have you listened to the songs? It was a rip-off. Don't talk shit until you've heard the songs.

No one deserves the blame - it's merely the way institutionalized racism works. Learn from it.
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Yeah but u said Elvis stole shit.

VoicesCarry said:

Have you listened to the songs? It was a rip-off. Don't talk shit until you've heard the songs.

No one deserves the blame - it's merely the way institutionalized racism works. Learn from it.
[Edited 4/21/05 12:42pm]
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Rick James had to take Hammer's ass to court for copywrite infrigement so lets get the story straight. Everything wasn't as peachy as your making it. Hammer tried to fuck with Rick's royalties.

BlaqueKnight said:

Same old "Politically Correct" rhetoric we've heard for years.

Do you remeber in the movie "Barber Shop", Cedric the Entertainer says that there's 3 things Black people will never admit :
1. OJ Did It
2. Tawana Lied
3. And Rodney King deserved an ass-whupping

I'll add a Fourth one :
4. Elvis had real talent

jjhunsecker said:

Quoting movies won't make your point any more valid. Elvis couldn't play guitar worth shit, he couldn't sing like Little Richard or Nat King Cole. Elvis had talent. He could ENTERTAIN. He danced and grinded and did all the things he saw black folks doing and it made him rich. Eventually, when he couldn't do those things anymore, his luck ran out. Remember where he was before he died? Vegas. Looking like a washed up has-been. It took him dying and Priscilla's business savvy to make him the larger than life figure he is today. White folks think we are hating on him when we say he couldn't sing, but honestly I believe the average black person has a higher standard for judging singing than the average white person (yes, that's a broad generalization with no specifics in mind). There are things in our culture that we just REJECT. There is no black Kurt Kobain, no black Green Day, no black Scissor Sisters. Why? Because that mess doesn't pass for singing in our community. Funny thing is, white people who can actually sing usually end up agreeing with what I am saying. Black folks respect Opera singers, even though most of us won't listen to it. Its the bullshit we don't let pass. Unfortunately, we do let some bullshit pass (rap), but I'm not going there right now. And you're right, I won't admit RK deserved the asswhooping he got.
Just like ya'll won't admit that you STOLE America from the Natives and attempted genocide, that your president STOLE an election, RACISM still exists, and the police do illegal shit, too.
And fool, you need to check my posts. I'm FAR from politically correct up in this bitch. I TRY to be nice to you muthaf*ckas and not say the first thing off the top of the dome, but every once in a while some shit that's just too damn stupid to let slide gets posted and I have to come with it. This ain't one of those times, though.
Peace, bitches.

jjhunsecker said:

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1.Most Black people don't care it O.J. did it. We were just happy to see a brother with decent legal representation. L.A had a weak ass case.

2.We know Tawana Lied. Move on.

3. Rodney King deserved the big fat check he got out of L.A. and Sgt Coon deserved his jail time.


4. Elvis could not play guitar that well and stole his singing style from Jakie Wilson. Who was 10 times better than Elvis a singer and entertainment.

BlaqueKnight said:

BTW, this may shock you . I happen to be Black ! And I agree with all the points about the stolen election ( I would vote for a dead dog before I'd vote for Bush... but that's for another forum), and that racism and inequity still exist (and will probably) always exist in this society. So don't try to assume you know how I think or what my views are, JUST BECAUSE I LIKE A GUY"S SINGING !!
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. We can sit here and debate whether Elvis had a better or worse voice than Gene Vincent or Little Richard or whoever. But then people gotta bring all this political and social shit into THAT discussion , when we're talking about music .

wow...i'm so late on this. there's so much to say...

um, white music and black music is a fallacy. its just music, dude.

rodney king had an ass whuppin' coming to him...unfortunately it was the police who gave it to him. interesting thing about all that is that the two black men in the car with him were not harmed AT ALL. hmmm...they also cooperated with the police. i wonder if that played a part in why they weren't harmed and rodney was. the way i see it is like this: if you refuse to exit your car after leading police on a car chase in speed excess of 100mph through a residential area, then when you do get out of the car you charge the police officers and toss three of them on their backs, and withstand 2 shots from a stun gun...you've got an ass whuppin' coming to you.

jjhunsecker said:

"Political and social shit" is hopelessly intertwined with music.

BlaqueKnight said:

Tell'em BK.!


"Don't Believe The Hype."

BlaqueKnight said:

Thanks for having a sista's back! It's good to know that I have some additional partners in crime here at the org.


The Revolution Will Not Be Televised."

BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

? For starters, elvis didn't dance like a black man. I know u said its a generalization, but Blacks not excepting greenday etc is kinda a wtf? I think it has nothing to do with them being able to sing etc, it's just that maybe blacks gotta feel like they gotta stick to their roots or whatever. Yeah whites did steal shit musically, but hey, we're openminded here right? Shame u, or ur colour as u generalize can't be.

In other words, I feel u don't like those bands u mentioned, not because they can't sing as thats just bull, but becasue maybe u ain't openminded enough to try and like it. Singing doesn't have to come from churches or whatever. either. I have no clue in what u r saying about waht u think blacks pass as singing?


yeah whites stole from the natives etc.....but why are u mentioning this?

Really? I heard it was split 50/50 (which is fair).

Anyway, I remember an interview someone posted on here AGES ago and Rick loved the song. But yeah I guess ur right (where the fuck can u find mc hammer rescources on the net? )

thesexofit said:

not even... im sure its closer to 85 (james) and 15 (hammer)...

thesexofit said:

Learn your musical history. All that pelvis grinding came frome where? You think he made that up? LMBAO! Catch up, son. You're late.





So you think its just me, huh? Ask some black people what they think of Green Day. Go to some black clubs and see how many times you hear Nirvana. My individual opinion has nothing to do with the REALITY that IN GENERAL, black folk don't let that shouting, hollering and screaming pass for singing - unless its James Brown...He's the godfather...therefore its okay. I rattled off examples off the top of my head when I was posting. There is a long list of singers that the U.S. black community probably won't have in their stereo systems.
I don't know how black folk in the UK get down, but here in the States we ain't hearin' that "boolsheeet" as Calhoun Square would say.




Read above. If you had read the post I was responding to, you would know full well why I brought it up.

sosgemini said:

"sound the bell, schools in sucker". Don't mess with that song. Fucking awesome track. No one hates that shit.

sosgemini said:

And, this is the way it should be. Let's face it. Hammer used music that was written and produced by Rick James and so Hammer pay up. Superfreak was the Punk-Funk theme of the 80's and then Hammer tries still now that's some bullshit. You know if someone used a track by P they damn sure better have his money because he is definitely about his money.

BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You are the man.

This thread is wondafull!

Seriously, I'm diggin' it

VoicesCarry said:

[Edited 4/23/05 3:14am]

Pr3ttyM3ss said:

Thanks for your comments!

Whatever. First of all, a particular race does not own a music group ex. whites w/country. Yes, they may have started it but it doesn't mean that particular race is only allowed to play that kind of music. Elvis did rock and roll because he liked it, not because he wanted to profit off of black people. The sad reality of it was that Elvis made rock and roll popular because he was white. Now Elvis got a lot of flak for this because they said he was paying Nigger's music and probably the same with Michael Jackson because he made pop music and not many blacks or any I don't think did pop music when he first started getting big in the pop music. It shouldn't be this black person or white person music anymore.

BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

But what exactly is the point ? I mean , you can go to a hard-core Country hangout, and people there might say they don't like Tony Bennett. Or go to the Opera, and most people might not appreciate Otis Redding. Or a Hip-Hop club, where they wouldn't be into Miles Davis. just because a particular group doesn't like or understand a style of music doesn't mean that it's not good.
So if most Blacks don't like Green Day (who, BTW, had one of the best CDs of 2004) or Nirvana, well , that's their loss. The same if whites can't appreciate James Brown because they can't learn the conventions of the idiom he's working in .

And it's interesting that your response is on a board devoted to a Black artist who counts as his influences Joni Mitchell and Led Zeppelin and The Beatles (none of whom must be any good by your standards snce they never had a huge Black following). He's open-minded enough to see their merits. To quote anoter great black musician with multi-cultural influences : "Free your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow" ....