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PrintableVoicesCarry said: thesexofit said: Give me a break voices. There has ALWAYS been shit. U just don' see the shit from the 60's and 70's anymore because guess what, it was shit and no one wants to hear it ever again! And there are exceptions. The monkees had some greast songs and a great tv series for example. There was always shit, and there will always be shit. However, there was also an explosion of talent in the 60's and 70's that I feel is absent from the mainstream today. Most people do. I hope you wake up soon if you feel the golden age of music was really 1990-1993. Come to think of it, even the teen pop shit of the 60's beats anything we have today. Brenda Lee had a voice, y'know. 
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Its ironic how Teena Marie tried to "crossover" in the mid-80's.
And its more IRONIC how few of white people(from her generation and this generation) actualy heard of her. jjhunsecker said: I 'd rather hear Joss than most "so-called r&b singers today . like Beyonce or Mary J Blige , who is often way off-key (Did you hear Mary J on that Tsunami special a few months ago ? Painful) Joss sings more like a real Soul singer like her mentor Betty White, than these howling r&b thrushes who twaddle on and on with their overdone melisma.
You know whats funny tho? Betty Wright said many times that she considers Mary J(What you consider painful  ) & Eryka Badu are this generation's GREATEST soul singers and I don't think I heard her sigh Joss's name  [Edited 4/19/05 11:25am] | |
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Harlepolis said: Its ironic how Teena Marie tried to "crossover" in the mid-80's.
And its more IRONIC how few of white people(from her generation and this generation) actualy heard of her. jjhunsecker said: I 'd rather hear Joss than most "so-called r&b singers today . like Beyonce or Mary J Blige , who is often way off-key (Did you hear Mary J on that Tsunami special a few months ago ? Painful) Joss sings more like a real Soul singer like her mentor Betty White, than these howling r&b thrushes who twaddle on and on with their overdone melisma.
You know whats funny tho? Betty Wright said many times that she considers Mary J(What you consider painful ) & Eryka Badu are this generation's GREATEST soul singers and I don't think I heard her sigh Joss's name
[Edited 4/19/05 11:25am] Betty Wright helped produce Joss's first CD , and helped her get signed! (Or is Betty just the Black female version of Sam Philips, echoing his comment on Elvis: "If I can find a White girl who sings with the Black feeling and style, I can make a milion dollars !" LOL !!) #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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Harlepolis said: Its ironic how Teena Marie tried to "crossover" in the mid-80's.
And its more IRONIC how few of white people(from her generation and this generation) actualy heard of her. I hope we keep it that way, considering the best are rarely heard by the masses. Harlepolis said: You know whats funny tho? Betty Wright said many times that she considers Mary J(What you consider painful
) & Eryka Badu are this generation's GREATEST soul singers and I don't think I heard her sigh Joss's name Betty Wright sold out LONG ago, IMHO. I feel like writing her a letter asking her to train Joss PROPERLY so she won't end up damaging her chords. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Harlepolis said: Its ironic how Teena Marie tried to "crossover" in the mid-80's.
And its more IRONIC how few of white people(from her generation and this generation) actualy heard of her. I hope we keep it that way, considering the best are rarely heard by the masses. Harlepolis said: You know whats funny tho? Betty Wright said many times that she considers Mary J(What you consider painful
) & Eryka Badu are this generation's GREATEST soul singers and I don't think I heard her sigh Joss's name Betty Wright sold out LONG ago, IMHO. I feel like writing her a letter asking her to train Joss PROPERLY so she won't end up damaging her chords.  Exactly. | |
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VoicesCarry said: thesexofit said: Give me a break voices. There has ALWAYS been shit. U just don' see the shit from the 60's and 70's anymore because guess what, it was shit and no one wants to hear it ever again! And there are exceptions. The monkees had some greast songs and a great tv series for example. There was always shit, and there will always be shit. However, there was also an explosion of talent in the 60's and 70's that I feel is absent from the mainstream today. Most people do. I hope you wake up soon if you feel the golden age of music was really 1990-1993. Come to think of it, even the teen pop shit of the 60's beats anything we have today. Brenda Lee had a voice, y'know.
[Edited 4/19/05 10:36am] It's intersting, because if you listen to a station that plays Hits from the 1960s and 1970s, even the crappy "One Hit Wonder' songs from that time sound better than most stuff today. There is usually some kind of melody, which a lot of current music lacks. And a level of musicianship involved, as opposed to today, when a lot of hits are just a jumble of samples and sythesizers. So in the 60s and 70s, even if the singers sucked, and songs were garbage, at least there was some level of profesionalism involved. Thes days, alot of songs sound like amateur work #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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jjhunsecker said: VoicesCarry said: There was always shit, and there will always be shit. However, there was also an explosion of talent in the 60's and 70's that I feel is absent from the mainstream today. Most people do. I hope you wake up soon if you feel the golden age of music was really 1990-1993. Come to think of it, even the teen pop shit of the 60's beats anything we have today. Brenda Lee had a voice, y'know.
[Edited 4/19/05 10:36am] It's intersting, because if you listen to a station that plays Hits from the 1960s and 1970s, even the crappy "One Hit Wonder' songs from that time sound better than most stuff today. There is usually some kind of melody, which a lot of current music lacks. And a level of musicianship involved, as opposed to today, when a lot of hits are just a jumble of samples and sythesizers. So in the 60s and 70s, even if the singers sucked, and songs were garbage, at least there was some level of profesionalism involved. Thes days, alot of songs sound like amateur work i was watching a show on music and a bunch of songwriters were discussing the art. I recall Burt Bacharach talking about how they would debate every single note used. And its funny cause you listen to a song like "Walk On By" and it sounds like a simple pop tune...but theres soo much meat there and thats why songs of the past are so memorable. now that i think of t it wasnt a show, it was an article on rollingstone.com. it was about carole king, burt and the motown songwriters (i know they had comments from ashford an simpson). they treated the craft of songwritting very serious....todays sonwriters (neptunes and so forth) dont have the same love of craft and sadly while their tunes are catchy and accessible at first, they become a bore after repeated listening.... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: jjhunsecker said: It's intersting, because if you listen to a station that plays Hits from the 1960s and 1970s, even the crappy "One Hit Wonder' songs from that time sound better than most stuff today. There is usually some kind of melody, which a lot of current music lacks. And a level of musicianship involved, as opposed to today, when a lot of hits are just a jumble of samples and sythesizers. So in the 60s and 70s, even if the singers sucked, and songs were garbage, at least there was some level of profesionalism involved. Thes days, alot of songs sound like amateur work i was watching a show on music and a bunch of songwriters were discussing the art. I recall Burt Bacharach talking about how they would debate every single note used. And its funny cause you listen to a song like "Walk On By" and it sounds like a simple pop tune...but theres soo much meat there and thats why songs of the past are so memorable. now that i think of t it wasnt a show, it was an article on rollingstone.com. it was about carole king, burt and the motown songwriters (i know they had comments from ashford an simpson). they treated the craft of songwritting very serious....todays sonwriters (neptunes and so forth) dont have the same love of craft and sadly while their tunes are catchy and accessible at first, they become a bore after repeated listening.... that's what I'm saying. You listen to even a not very good song from the 1970s (for example, "The Night Chicago Died", or "One Bad Apple" by the Osmonds, or something like that) and there's an actual melody there that you can hum and it sticks in your mind. Can anyone hum that Jennifer Lopez/Ja Rule song from a few years back, and it was a Number #1 Hit song ? Does anyone even remember it ? LOL #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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VoicesCarry said: I feel like writing her a letter asking her to train Joss PROPERLY so she won't end up damaging her chords.
What, so that would be a BAD thing? The ORG - the only place where you can be called a wigger, a racist and a Nazi and be banned for defending yourself. It's so hard being white nowadays...
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VoicesCarry said: thesexofit said: Why the hate for joss? I don't like her musically but saying she got fame because she is white is ridiculous. Same with eminem. I guess it is their fault they are white so they must be overated. Joss Stone is at best a lounge act. If she were 45 and black, she wouldn't be here. But she is 16, white, blonde, and HOT, and so she is here, massacring soul music as we speak. And Eminem.....let's not get started on him. I've been reading through this thread and this reply comes closet to hitting the nail on the head to the question of why Joss Stone is so hyped by the media? While I don't hate her voice it's not the best that's out there. As for Eminem ... he's clever, but he is overrated to the highest degree. Give me the Beastie Boys or 3rd Base anyday. That being said there are plenty of black so-called singers who can't sing either who get hyped because they are attractive... Janet Jackson, Ashanti, and Ciara come to mind just to reflect the old and the new. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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NadiaAdare said: VoicesCarry said: I feel like writing her a letter asking her to train Joss PROPERLY so she won't end up damaging her chords.
What, so that would be a BAD thing? To me, her vocals are already shot. But I don't wish harm on the chick. Nodules are not a pretty thing. | |
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VoicesCarry said: NadiaAdare said: What, so that would be a BAD thing? To me, her vocals are already shot. But I don't wish harm on the chick. Nodules are not a pretty thing. Exactly. | |
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VoicesCarry said: NadiaAdare said: What, so that would be a BAD thing? To me, her vocals are already shot. But I don't wish harm on the chick. Nodules are not a pretty thing. To be honest she does sound like she straining the last couple of times I've seen her on tv compared to her first appearances a year or so ago. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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krayzie said: Anxiety said: so when prince made around the world in a day with all its beatles influences, was that disrespecting the caucasian architects? :confused:
of course, the beatles started out as many bands of that era did, as fans of little richard and chuck berry. so i guess they were disrespectful of the black architects along with eminem. as soon as i get home, i'm gonna throw all my CDs out the window. i don't have the space for so much disrespect. No, you misunderstood my first post.. I'm not against white artist doing Black music ... Instead I love Joe Cocker, Eric Clapton, or others artist like that... I reflect on the fact that everytime you see a new white artist doing black music (good music), the Media ALWAYS overrate him... To me Elvis, Eminem or Justin are talented but I think the Media overrated them too much... [Edited 4/13/05 18:14pm] To me, Michael McDonald is the most underrated white recording artist ever. And to my ears, he sings like a black man!!! | |
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vainandy said: That right. She came in through the "black door" at a time when it was not "fahionable" and "easy" like it is today. She also played concerts to thousands of blacks where she was one of the few white people in the entire building. She was WAY ahead of her time and deserves much respect. To me, Teena Marie is also the most underrated white recording artist ever. Even today, I consider her a black woman (and you can quote on THIS statement). Lady T is so powerful on vocals, that only Aretha Frankin & Chaka Khan can stand up to her in a battle on stage. | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: That right. She came in through the "black door" at a time when it was not "fahionable" and "easy" like it is today. She also played concerts to thousands of blacks where she was one of the few white people in the entire building. She was WAY ahead of her time and deserves much respect. To me, Teena Marie is also the most underrated white recording artist ever. Even today, I consider her a black woman (and you can quote on THIS statement). Lady T is so powerful on vocals, that only Aretha Frankin & Chaka Khan can stand up to her in a battle on stage.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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sosgemini said: jjhunsecker said: It's intersting, because if you listen to a station that plays Hits from the 1960s and 1970s, even the crappy "One Hit Wonder' songs from that time sound better than most stuff today. There is usually some kind of melody, which a lot of current music lacks. And a level of musicianship involved, as opposed to today, when a lot of hits are just a jumble of samples and sythesizers. So in the 60s and 70s, even if the singers sucked, and songs were garbage, at least there was some level of profesionalism involved. Thes days, alot of songs sound like amateur work i was watching a show on music and a bunch of songwriters were discussing the art. I recall Burt Bacharach talking about how they would debate every single note used. And its funny cause you listen to a song like "Walk On By" and it sounds like a simple pop tune...but theres soo much meat there and thats why songs of the past are so memorable. now that i think of t it wasnt a show, it was an article on rollingstone.com. it was about carole king, burt and the motown songwriters (i know they had comments from ashford an simpson). they treated the craft of songwritting very serious....todays sonwriters (neptunes and so forth) dont have the same love of craft and sadly while their tunes are catchy and accessible at first, they become a bore after repeated listening.... I bet if we were in the 1960's people in their 30's or older would say 1920's music was when "real" songwriters existed. U see the pattern here?  | |
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thesexofit said: sosgemini said: i was watching a show on music and a bunch of songwriters were discussing the art. I recall Burt Bacharach talking about how they would debate every single note used. And its funny cause you listen to a song like "Walk On By" and it sounds like a simple pop tune...but theres soo much meat there and thats why songs of the past are so memorable. now that i think of t it wasnt a show, it was an article on rollingstone.com. it was about carole king, burt and the motown songwriters (i know they had comments from ashford an simpson). they treated the craft of songwritting very serious....todays sonwriters (neptunes and so forth) dont have the same love of craft and sadly while their tunes are catchy and accessible at first, they become a bore after repeated listening.... I bet if we were in the 1960's people in their 30's or older would say 1920's music was when "real" songwriters existed. U see the pattern here? People in their 30's or older were listening to the Beatles, the Stones, Burt Bacharach, Herb Alpert, and Motown. Music was all-access back then. As opposed to now, when all we have is rap, which only 3-year-olds can listen to. [Edited 4/20/05 4:43am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: thesexofit said: I bet if we were in the 1960's people in their 30's or older would say 1920's music was when "real" songwriters existed. U see the pattern here? People in their 30's or older were listening to the Beatles, the Stones, Burt Bacharach, Herb Alpert, and Motown. Music was all-access back then. As opposed to now, when all we have is rap, which only 3-year-olds can listen to. [Edited 4/20/05 4:43am]  Yeah i guess but 60's ain't the be and and end all though. Listen to some 30's stuff from theatre. Shit like George gershwin, irving berlin. They were the real songwriters i guess.
"pop" musuic started "properly" in the 60's, so yeah it did sound new and exiting. Now kids have SO much to choose from though. We got a 100 years of music to listen to. As u know, i chose music from a certain era (or couple of years), others choose it from the 70's or whatever. Most people complains about current music I guess now more then ever thanx to now having so much other stuff we can listen to. | |
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thesexofit said: VoicesCarry said: People in their 30's or older were listening to the Beatles, the Stones, Burt Bacharach, Herb Alpert, and Motown. Music was all-access back then. As opposed to now, when all we have is rap, which only 3-year-olds can listen to. [Edited 4/20/05 4:43am] Yeah i guess but 60's ain't the be and and end all though. Listen to some 30's stuff from theatre. Shit like George gershwin, irving berlin. They were the real songwriters i guess.
"pop" musuic started "properly" in the 60's, so yeah it did sound new and exiting. Now kids have SO much to choose from though. We got a 100 years of music to listen to. As u know, i chose music from a certain era (or couple of years), others choose it from the 70's or whatever. Most people complains about current music I guess now more then ever thanx to now having so much other stuff we can listen to. Actually we complain about it because there is nothing current to listen to. | |
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thesexofit said: sosgemini said: i was watching a show on music and a bunch of songwriters were discussing the art. I recall Burt Bacharach talking about how they would debate every single note used. And its funny cause you listen to a song like "Walk On By" and it sounds like a simple pop tune...but theres soo much meat there and thats why songs of the past are so memorable. now that i think of t it wasnt a show, it was an article on rollingstone.com. it was about carole king, burt and the motown songwriters (i know they had comments from ashford an simpson). they treated the craft of songwritting very serious....todays sonwriters (neptunes and so forth) dont have the same love of craft and sadly while their tunes are catchy and accessible at first, they become a bore after repeated listening.... I bet if we were in the 1960's people in their 30's or older would say 1920's music was when "real" songwriters existed. U see the pattern here? you miss my point, the songwriters of the past were actually educated in music theory. there was a herarchy system within the studios. call it songwriting college. it gave you a chance to finetune your craft. you had to be able to actually write music sheets. today's songwriters all come from the school of dj mixing. theres a big difference there. Space for sale... | |
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VoicesCarry said: thesexofit said: Yeah i guess but 60's ain't the be and and end all though. Listen to some 30's stuff from theatre. Shit like George gershwin, irving berlin. They were the real songwriters i guess.
"pop" musuic started "properly" in the 60's, so yeah it did sound new and exiting. Now kids have SO much to choose from though. We got a 100 years of music to listen to. As u know, i chose music from a certain era (or couple of years), others choose it from the 70's or whatever. Most people complains about current music I guess now more then ever thanx to now having so much other stuff we can listen to. Actually we complain about it because there is nothing current to listen to. That is so true . I don't have to listen to something new and mediocre, and pretend it's good, when I can go to the store and buy something that's REALLY great, like Ella or Miles Davis or Muddy Waters or Led Zeppelin or Curtis Mayfield #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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jjhunsecker said: VoicesCarry said: Actually we complain about it because there is nothing current to listen to. That is so true . I don't have to listen to something new and mediocre, and pretend it's good, when I can go to the store and buy something that's REALLY great, like Ella or Miles Davis or Muddy Waters or Led Zeppelin or Curtis Mayfield Exactly. I'm still discovering "new" old music daily. There's so much out there from the 50s, 60s, and 70s, that I'm still learning about and really getting into at the moment. Listening to most new stuff from nowdays is really just a waste of time for me. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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come on, let's not totally give up on music being made right now! there are some fabulous artists out there, both in the mainstream, and outside of the mainstream. you have to wade through the crap, it's true. but "thur be gold at the bottom of that murky pond." | |
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TheFrogSpawn said:
come on, let's not totally give up on music being made right now! there are some fabulous artists out there, both in the mainstream, and outside of the mainstream. you have to wade through the crap, it's true. but "thur be gold at the bottom of that murky pond." I was going to edit my above post because as I was typing it I was listening to the new Beck and then Velvet Revolver.
But I just don't have the energy to wade through the crap.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: TheFrogSpawn said:
come on, let's not totally give up on music being made right now! there are some fabulous artists out there, both in the mainstream, and outside of the mainstream. you have to wade through the crap, it's true. but "thur be gold at the bottom of that murky pond." I was going to edit my above post because as I was typing it I was listening to the new Beck and then Velvet Revolver.
But I just don't have the energy to wade through the crap. Beck told me to tell you to buy me pizza. | |
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I guess some of u fools think Elvis Presley stole all of black music and had no talent either.
Chuck d was stupid with his elvis hating comments. Same with prince (something about him he talks about in "face down"?.) | |
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thesexofit said: I guess some of u fools think Elvis Presley stole all of black music and had no talent either.
Chuck d was stupid with his elvis hating comments. Same with prince (something about him he talks about in "face down"?.) You mean he didn't steal black music? OK then!  | |
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TheFrogSpawn said: minneapolisgenius said: I was going to edit my above post because as I was typing it I was listening to the new Beck and then Velvet Revolver.
But I just don't have the energy to wade through the crap. Beck told me to tell you to buy me pizza. I might.  Only if you buy the drinks though.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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VoicesCarry said: thesexofit said: I guess some of u fools think Elvis Presley stole all of black music and had no talent either.
Chuck d was stupid with his elvis hating comments. Same with prince (something about him he talks about in "face down"?.) You mean he didn't steal black music? OK then! As I said in another post recently, if he "stole" Black music, then Kathleen Battle "stole" Opera and Wynton Marsalis "stole" Classical and Charley Pride and Ray Charles "Stole" Country Music #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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