sosgemini said:

Remy is different b/c he truly has more soul and ain't faking the funk like Justin doing.

TheFrog said:

All the people you have mentioned in your post with the exception of Nas are frauds. Of course, it depends on your music background/expereince and cultural background then you will be more likely to see through the mirage of studio generated artist who aren't about shit.

VoicesCarry said:

Exactly. VC, you hit it right on the nose with that statement.

Maybe the industry looks at it like the Sam Phillips quote:

"If I could “find a white man who could sing like a black man, I could make a million dollars.”

npgmaverick said:

Oh, you don't have to take it back. Because the UK press already did that when they were hyping her first release 2 years ago. Which only proves that she certainly would not have been hyped as such 25 years ago, when acts like Teena Marie would have laughed her off the stage, and when she would have been completely drowned out by a Rick James production. That Joss Stone is supposed to be the best thing modern soul has going for it is a frightening prospect indeed.
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TheFrog said:

Yeah, if you like a scratchy-voiced blond singing like she's developing a cleft palate.

Calling Joss Stone! Calling Joss Stone! Your thread is ready, and please bring Eminem with you!
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NadiaAdare said:

Hotlegs said:

Exactly.Remy Shand is a real soul artist,making real soul music.

Hotlegs said:

Why the hate for joss? I don't like her musically but saying she got fame because she is white is ridiculous. Same with eminem. I guess it is their fault they are white so they must be overated.

thesexofit said:

Joss Stone is at best a lounge act. If she were 45 and black, she wouldn't be here. But she is 16, white, blonde, and HOT, and so she is here, massacring soul music as we speak.

And Eminem.....let's not get started on him.

VoicesCarry said:

Man voices, u accept mairahs bland shit, hate j lo's bland shit but like soul music but cannot stnad joss stone. I imagine she gets good reviews. U usually love astists who get good reviews.

Hotlegs said:

Why the hate for joss? I don't like her musically but saying she got fame because she is white is ridiculous. Same with eminem. I guess it is their fault they are white so they must be overated.

thesexofit said:

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No they are overated and they are overated because they are white. Sorry African-Americans always give props to kick ass artist but,I think we all know that a white artist has a better chance of selling more CD's than an African-American. Record companies are always going to pust whoever can appeal to the masses. Unfortunatly, know they are not even going to bother to find anyone with any real talent.

laurarichardson said:

I agree that, unfortunately, you get a record company with a black artist and a white artist with precisely the same talent, the record company will probably think the white artist will sell more.

I disagree that record companies don't bother to find people with real talent though (clearly a lot of stuff is manufactured rubbish, but that's not all of it).

And if you don't mind my saying so, your first two sentences are weird (re: "overrated because they are white", and "African-Americans always give props to kick-ass artists".)

TheFrog said:

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Jesue help me on this board (LOL). African-Americans give credit to artist that can really bring it who are white. We are not going to put some down just because they are white if they have talent.

George Micheal and Teena Marie come to mind.

laurarichardson said:

I agree that, unfortunately, you get a record company with a black artist and a white artist with precisely the same talent, the record company will probably think the white artist will sell more.

I disagree that record companies don't bother to find people with real talent though (clearly a lot of stuff is manufactured rubbish, but that's not all of it).

And if you don't mind my saying so, your first two sentences are weird (re: "overrated because they are white", and "African-Americans always give props to kick-ass artists".)

TheFrog said:

If that were true, then real artists wouldn't resort to founding their own independent labels every second.

Why the hate for joss?

VoicesCarry said:

of course it's true, and the fact that independent labels are founded obviously doesn't mean that logically my statement wasn't true.

I'm not going to make any sweeping generalisations. Hence my saying that a lot of stuff is manufactured rubbish. Many talented artists may well have to find other methods of becoming recorded artists, such as independent labels.

Record companies don't send scouts out to thousands of pubs, clubs and minor gigs every year in the UK (i speak of the UK for obvious reasons) with the sole purpose of finding pretty young white things with no talent.

TheFrog said:

Maybe, but it's what they promote and push that matters. Do they practise what you preach? No. And so I don't consider your statement to be true - a major label is all about the bottom line, and has no investment in artistic development anymore. An artist doesn't follow through on their promise sales-wise, well, the label ain't going to support or nurture any artistic development. They're out the door, better luck next time.

If what you said was true, we'd see the mainstream being dominated by plain looking or downright ugly people with superb voices and musicianship. Just as it was in the 60's and 70's, where talent mattered more than Were You Photogenic In A Video. The labels aren't really into promoting that, however, because it's easier to fix someone's hair and tits than it is to actually foster artistic development.
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TheFrog said:

Maybe, but it's what they promote and push that matters. Do they practise what you preach? No. And so I don't consider your statement to be true - a major label is all about the bottom line, and has no investment in artistic development anymore. An artist doesn't follow through on their promise sales-wise, well, the label ain't going to support or nurture any artistic development. They're out the door, better luck next time.

If what you said was true, we'd see the mainstream being dominated by plain looking or downright ugly people with superb voices and musicianship. Just as it was in the 60's and 70's, where talent mattered more than Were You Photogenic In A Video. The labels aren't really into promoting that, however, because it's easier to fix someone's hair and tits than it is to actually foster artistic development.
[Edited 4/19/05 8:28am]

thesexofit said:

I dunno...cuz she sucks rocks?

VoicesCarry said:

Give me a break voices. There has ALWAYS been shit. U just don' see the shit from the 60's and 70's anymore because guess what, it was shit and no one wants to hear it ever again!

And there are exceptions. The monkees had some greast songs and a great tv series for example.