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Reply #60 posted 05/25/04 4:36am

npg4vr

mrdespues said:

Just feel the need to stand up for myself here. I've taken somewhat of a bashing over my obviously outlandish claims!

I made a simple mistake. As a few other people have attested, it is not immediately apparent that it is Sheila E. Now of course, I can see that it clearly is, but only with the hindsight of seeing her face to the camera.

Secondly, I am in no way a racist. I have dated people of other races and yes while it may be a stereotype to say a caucasian will tend to have a pointier nose, it is also, like a lot of stereotypes and cliches, often true. This is not to say black or hispanic people cannot have just as pointy, if not pointier noses than white people. But it is in fact usually not the case. Further against the racist slander towards me, I do not believe that anyone is EVER more beautiful as a person simply due to their race. In the case of Sheila, I simply have not seen her look more beautiful than in this video. She could have been in muted brown tones and I am sure I would have not differed in my attraction. She just looks hot, okay?

Thirdly, for the record, I consider myself usually pretty knowledgable about things related to Prince, but in this case, I was glad to be corrected. It's good to learn something new about Prince when I sometimes feel like I've covered a lot more than your average listener would care to.

Finally I don't appreciate being called an idiot and even if I WAS at first adamant that it was not Sheila, it doesn't matter. If you're just kidding, then fine...call me an idiot. I'm not going to start crying about it, because this thread was started in good fun...but please just back off with the deliberately abusive comments. Thankyou. I'll try to be a little more accurate next time. Please forgive me. rolleyes

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Reply #61 posted 05/25/04 4:44am

mrdespues

npg4vr said:

mrdespues said:

Just feel the need to stand up for myself here. I've taken somewhat of a bashing over my obviously outlandish claims!

I made a simple mistake. As a few other people have attested, it is not immediately apparent that it is Sheila E. Now of course, I can see that it clearly is, but only with the hindsight of seeing her face to the camera.

Secondly, I am in no way a racist. I have dated people of other races and yes while it may be a stereotype to say a caucasian will tend to have a pointier nose, it is also, like a lot of stereotypes and cliches, often true. This is not to say black or hispanic people cannot have just as pointy, if not pointier noses than white people. But it is in fact usually not the case. Further against the racist slander towards me, I do not believe that anyone is EVER more beautiful as a person simply due to their race. In the case of Sheila, I simply have not seen her look more beautiful than in this video. She could have been in muted brown tones and I am sure I would have not differed in my attraction. She just looks hot, okay?

Thirdly, for the record, I consider myself usually pretty knowledgable about things related to Prince, but in this case, I was glad to be corrected. It's good to learn something new about Prince when I sometimes feel like I've covered a lot more than your average listener would care to.

Finally I don't appreciate being called an idiot and even if I WAS at first adamant that it was not Sheila, it doesn't matter. If you're just kidding, then fine...call me an idiot. I'm not going to start crying about it, because this thread was started in good fun...but please just back off with the deliberately abusive comments. Thankyou. I'll try to be a little more accurate next time. Please forgive me. rolleyes

GET A LIFE ALREADY!!


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Reply #62 posted 05/25/04 5:56am

Universaluv

mrdespues said:


Further against the racist slander towards me, I do not believe that anyone is EVER more beautiful as a person simply due to their race. In the case of Sheila, I simply have not seen her look more beautiful than in this video. She could have been in muted brown tones and I am sure I would have not differed in my attraction. She just looks hot, okay?


Read my post. "Racist" is your word, not mine.

It just struck me (and apparently someone else) as funny that you just happened to think that she looks really hot in this particular video where you thought she was a white girl.

That's why I used this guy ---> "wink" to show that I was kidding with you .

If I was gonna call you a racist, I'd be clear about it. ok?


(see this is why you can't joke with white people about race) (JUST KIDDING) wink wink wink

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Reply #63 posted 05/25/04 6:05am

DavidEye

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I worked for the production company that made the video. The company was called Limelight (it went out of business), and we used to have an office in LA and London.

We did a lot of videos for Prince during this time period. (That documentary NPG Music club did was actually edited in my office. They kicked me out to move in the editing machines.)

Jean Baptiste Mondino (sp?) was not in any way trying to make anyone look white. That is the most ridiculous claim. He was more enthralled with a new post production technique that he wanted to try out. It was called Harry, and it allowed you to manipulate images and create effects in new ways (at the time). So he shot footage of the Prince, Sheila E., the apples, the gun, etc., all on separate passes. Then he combined them in post to create the video.

The video went way over budget. The effects were cutting edge (though it doesn't really look like it), and it took much longer to produce than people thought it would. Other directors who used this early technique were Peter Greenaway (his movie version of "The Tempest" called "Prospero's Books," and the director Zbigniew Rybczynski, who directed the Pet Shop Boys's video "Opportunities (Let's make lots of money)." Anyway, the single didn't go anywhere, and the video wasn't played that much.

BTW, we were preparing a video for "Lovesexy" since that was going to be the next single released, but it was scrapped.



Hey thanks for the info! Very interesting.I've always loved the "I Wish U Heaven" video.In many ways,it was totally ahead of it's time,and it didn't really look like any other video that was on MTV at the time.It's a shame that the song "Lovesexy" was never released as a single.In addition to being the strongest track on the album (imo),I think it could have been an amazing video too.
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Reply #64 posted 05/25/04 7:14am

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Sheila Cat and Boni looking lovely in this video.
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Reply #65 posted 05/25/04 5:36pm

mrdespues

Universaluv said:

mrdespues said:


Further against the racist slander towards me, I do not believe that anyone is EVER more beautiful as a person simply due to their race. In the case of Sheila, I simply have not seen her look more beautiful than in this video. She could have been in muted brown tones and I am sure I would have not differed in my attraction. She just looks hot, okay?


Read my post. "Racist" is your word, not mine.

It just struck me (and apparently someone else) as funny that you just happened to think that she looks really hot in this particular video where you thought she was a white girl.

That's why I used this guy ---> "wink" to show that I was kidding with you .

If I was gonna call you a racist, I'd be clear about it. ok?


(see this is why you can't joke with white people about race) (JUST KIDDING) wink wink wink

ok cool.

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[This message was edited Tue May 25 5:59:24 2004 by Universaluv]
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Reply #66 posted 05/25/04 5:48pm

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Universaluv said:[quote]

mrdespues said:



(see this is why you can't joke with white people about race) (JUST KIDDING) wink wink wink


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Reply #67 posted 05/25/04 7:26pm

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mrdespues said:

I am not being stubborn, guys....I have known and loved this video for many years and I doubt most of you even own it.

It is not Sheila.

I am aware that everyone looks like they are in degrees of whiteness in this clip, but you're missing my point....the girl has reddish brown hair and distinctly CAUCASIAN features which Sheila does not.

sorry if you think i'm being hardheaded...but i KNOW this video and I KNOW sheila and it AIN'T her.



i'm not sure what planet you're from, but Hispanics ARE Caucasians. it is her, without a doubt. and her hair has been many different colors. black, blond, brown. why not red for this video?
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Reply #68 posted 05/25/04 7:37pm

mrdespues

GrayKing said:

mrdespues said:

I am not being stubborn, guys....I have known and loved this video for many years and I doubt most of you even own it.

It is not Sheila.

I am aware that everyone looks like they are in degrees of whiteness in this clip, but you're missing my point....the girl has reddish brown hair and distinctly CAUCASIAN features which Sheila does not.

sorry if you think i'm being hardheaded...but i KNOW this video and I KNOW sheila and it AIN'T her.



i'm not sure what planet you're from, but Hispanics ARE Caucasians. it is her, without a doubt. and her hair has been many different colors. black, blond, brown. why not red for this video?


drop it.

i said that SO long ago in this thread and the shit has been resolved.

LET - THE -THREAD - DIE.
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Reply #69 posted 05/25/04 7:52pm

SassyBritches

Anxiety said:


anxiety, i LOVE this picture! i'm looking at it and just giggling away!
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Reply #70 posted 05/25/04 7:55pm

mrdespues

SassyBritches said:

Anxiety said:


anxiety, i LOVE this picture! i'm looking at it and just giggling away!


yeh it cracks me up everytime, too!

lol
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Reply #71 posted 05/25/04 7:57pm

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I don't agree with the statement that Hispanics are caucasians...While some are, many are not. What about many of the Hispanics of such countries as Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.?
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Reply #72 posted 05/25/04 7:59pm

PrimordialOoze

mrdespues said:

GrayKing said:




i'm not sure what planet you're from, but Hispanics ARE Caucasians. it is her, without a doubt. and her hair has been many different colors. black, blond, brown. why not red for this video?


drop it.

i said that SO long ago in this thread and the shit has been resolved.

LET - THE -THREAD - DIE.



Yes, let's let this end now. I'm sorry now that I started it. sad I didn't mean for it to become a "rag on mrdespues" thread.

I started it in a lighthearted manner to prove to prove my point in a debate and the debate was resolved.

There's no point in belabouring what's already been established and accepted.
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Reply #73 posted 05/25/04 9:53pm

Universaluv

kaoboy72 said:

I don't agree with the statement that Hispanics are caucasians...While some are, many are not. What about many of the Hispanics of such countries as Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.?


You're right. At least according to the US government Hispanic/Latino is an "ethnicity". They can be of any race.


This thread does need to end.
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Reply #74 posted 05/25/04 10:00pm

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