bizzie said:

JorisE73 said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

JorisE73 said:

There was a completed album between Purple Rain and ATWIAD, they could use that and the early versions of the ATWIAD tracks and whatever outtakes or Prince versions of tracks given to others to easily fill a SDE that is comparab;e to the other SDEs

More information about That (alleged?) ‘in between’ album interests me. I’m not sure I can remember a source but wasn’t it something like Prince hearing David Coleman’s version of ‘Around The World In A Day’ (or making his own version) that put the project on another path. I’m speculating here but perhaps after two ‘purple era’ albums in 1999 and Purple Rain, Prince was initially going to produce something similar. I’d hazard a guess, ‘The Dance Electric’, ‘All Day, All Night’, ‘Our Destiny’, ‘Roadhouse Garden’, plus some hold over from 1999, e.g. ‘Moonbeam Levels’, would have been considerations for it. But not a lot is known, as far as I know. May be at the celebration ATWIAD panel, some of those present can ask/answer this conundrum.

Are you guys referring to the Roadhouse Garden album?

Roadhouse Garden - The Lo...tion album

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i think "The Dance Electric" should be the last track.
...and the full version.

As a matter of history, this album should be also named 'Dance Electric'.

SOLD!!!

SoulAlive said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

nayroo2002 said:

Therew saeem to be 2 CDs worth of relevant "Coleman" sessions that could or should be added according more knowledgeable people and easily 5 CDs worth of outtakes and, alternate versions of tracks, unreleased remixes, 12 inch version, b-sides, a complete alternate version of the album and even more.
Add to that that they could expand that album even further by adding another unreleased album and its sessions and incarnations, outtakes and even a wellknown live show or they could release that one like they did with "Welcome 2 America".
(from a post from a so called insidser)

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(...above it was already mentioned. Didn't read that first.)

for what it's worth :

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There's maybe the orignal version that Lisa's brother wrote, and Prince desperately wanted to have.

If that one was recorded by David Coleman, that would be nice to hear. But probably not possible for a SDE, since it's not Prince who wrote the orignal ideas or hook?

Someone told me once that apparently between 20 to 30 songs were written during the ATWIAD sessions. Don't know if this is true.

What we never will hear is the full America version, as the story goes that; "the track as played was even longer, but the tape ran out while recording, so the 12" version was faded out." (PrinceVault)

We could get the not-fade-out version, abruptly ending.

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I don't see why they would put effort and time creating a SDE, if they didn't find more material than

we know off.

This might be a surpise even for us.

It wouldn't be the first time we hear unreleased songs we didn't know excisted.

I can only hope and dream like all of us do, finally.

I'm pretty excited as I come to think of it.

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Please estate don't fuck this up.

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jimino1 said:

Roadhouse Garden tracks are definitely a given to add to ATWIAD Deluxe...but I hope they hold those for an actual album by itself...not forgetting that Prince took those tracks out of the vault in 97/98 for a release that never happened... Another track from '85 is Empty Room...but it was recorded after ATWIAD so I guess it should be the Parade SDE.... I'm betting there's a few songs that we don't know about that could easily be added...depends how many cds they wanna include though... The biggest question for me is what live/dvd will they add....Id love to see the '84 birthday gig at the Prom...I can't think of anything that would fit the timeline but again, I'll bet there's stuff in the vault... The biggest concern for me is if they'll be true to their word...or we get a big fat nothing again this year

The best would be Cds IMO with jam sessions , demos & alternate takes from the album only with maybe +some outtakes that were planned on some abandoned configurations of the album ....but i fear that not enough works & researches have been made from the Vault for that ....so ...

well ...we'll see ?

The full list of ATWIAD era non-album tracks would actually be:

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- 4 The Tears In Your Eyes (could be argued as late PR-era, as it came out 10 days before ATWIAD, but must people seem to agree to pair it with ATWIAD).

- 4 The Tears In Your Eyes (Promo Video Version)

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- America (Extended Version)
- America (Music Video Version)

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- Girl
- Girl (Extended Version)

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- Hello
- Hello (Fresh Dance Mix)

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- Paisley Park (Remix)

- Paisley Park (Mono) (from French promo)

- Paisley Park (Promo Video Edit)

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- Pop Life (Extended Version)
- Pop Life (Fresh Dance Mix)
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- Raspberry Beret (New Mix)

- Raspberry Beret (Promo Video Edit)

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- She’s Always In My Hair

- She’s Always In My Hair (New Mix)

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There's no such things as Paisley Park (Single Edit), Raspberry Beret (Single Edit) and Pop Life (Single Edit).

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johnpiex said:

The Dance Electric (final version) Our Destiny (Prince solo version) Roadhouse Garden (better source than PR Deluxe) 100 MPH (not the Originals version) All Day All Night Feline Miss Understood Slow Love (original demo) Sunday High Fashion Mutiny The Screams Of Passion Nothing Compares 2 U (alternate take?) Desire Sister Fate Dear Michaelangelo (alternate take or album version?) A Love Bizarre (early demo or alternate solo take?) Toy Box Yellow Romance 1600 Bedtime Story 4 The Tears In Your Eyes Fish Fries Palomino Pleasure Ride (recorded in 85 but unknown date) Any alternate versions of ATWIAD album tracks. These are just things that we know about. I think it would be silly to assume Prince didn’t do a heavy amount of recording from the time the Purple Rain album was finalized to the time ATWIAD was finalized.

I said it countless times and I'll say it again: Romance 1600 and The Family are fully formed Prince projects. Songs from those album's sessions have no business being on other album's SDEs.

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Either they should be on those album's own SDEs or, if some legal entanglements make it difficult to release songs by "the other artist" and songs "by Prince" on a single release, they could easily be put together on "Prince's Romance 1600 sessions" or "Prince's The Family sessions" projects.

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So far, the side-projects are awfully underlooked, with all of them remaining out of print except for the Time and Sheila E. ones (and, I believe, the NPG albums on Tidal only?). Yet they're important chapters in the Prince canon and deserve proper attention.

johnpiex said:

I think it would be silly to assume Prince didn’t do a heavy amount of recording from the time the Purple Rain album was finalized to the time ATWIAD was finalized.

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It is a period that is well documented. It is ridiculous to assume that there are dozens of completely unknown outtakes from this era.

bizzie said:

johnpiex said:

I think it would be silly to assume Prince didn’t do a heavy amount of recording from the time the Purple Rain album was finalized to the time ATWIAD was finalized.

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It is a period that is well documented. It is ridiculous to assume that there are dozens of completely unknown outtakes from this era.

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How about the completely unknown album that Prince considered to be the 'A-roll' (as opposed to the 'B-roll': Purple Rain) that Morris Hayes heard and confirmed to exist?

Kares said:

bizzie said:

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It is a period that is well documented. It is ridiculous to assume that there are dozens of completely unknown outtakes from this era.

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How about the completely unknown album that Prince considered to be the 'A-roll' (as opposed to the 'B-roll': Purple Rain) that Morris Hayes heard and confirmed to exist?

I wasn't aware of this. What did he mean by "a vs b rolls"?

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That said, at least one reliable source (whom I won't name because I'm under the impression they don't like being quoted) claims that there were plenty of recordings from the eras Duane convered that Duane didn't mention in his books, either because he discovered them during his tenure with the Estate and wasn't allowed to discuss them, or because he wasn't aware of them. This all remains very intriguing to say the least. There's also this "Jamie Starr album" from 85 that was mentioned at a Celebration, and though I couldn't ever get to the bottom of it, a lot of people seem to believe there's yet another whole album that was completed between PR and ATWIAD.

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I still defend the idea that the Estate would make the community very happy without harming their business in any way by making the inventory of what they found and archived public and/or allowing researchers like Duane to document it.

databank said:

Kares said:

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How about the completely unknown album that Prince considered to be the 'A-roll' (as opposed to the 'B-roll': Purple Rain) that Morris Hayes heard and confirmed to exist?

I wasn't aware of this. What did he mean by "a vs b rolls"?

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That said, at least one reliable source (whom I won't name because I'm under the impression they don't like being quoted) claims that there were plenty of recordings from the eras Duane convered that Duane didn't mention in his books, either because he discovered them during his tenure with the Estate and wasn't allowed to discuss them, or because he wasn't aware of them. This all remains very intriguing to say the least. There's also this "Jamie Starr album" from 85 that was mentioned at a Celebration, and though I couldn't ever get to the bottom of it, a lot of people seem to believe there's yet another whole album that was completed between PR and ATWIAD.

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I still defend the idea that the Estate would make the community very happy without harming their business in any way by making the inventory of what they found and archived public and/or allowing researchers like Duane to document it.

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Morris told a story of P casually mentioning him that Purple Rain was only his 'B-roll' at the time, meaning an even better album from the same period is still unheard. Morris was like 'get out of here!', so P played him the tapes and Morris was blown away and started pressuring P to release it, but P said something like "it's for my kids to inherit".
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I wholeheartedly agree (and said so several times before) that once the Estate is done with the inventory of the vault (though I understand that could still be years away, even if we only mean inventoring, not archiving), they should put out the official, Complete List of Prince's Work as a book (with tons of photos of the vault) – it would not only sell well, but it would also blow the mind of the public, especially of music critics, journalists etc, therefore it would raise awareness of Prince's genius, significantly boosting interest in all vault releases and significantly raising Prince's professional profile as the unique artist he truly was.

i'd love a gorgeous clear version of that "around the world in a day" version with the bass line and the extended funky jam ending. that and a couple of demos and all the extendeds and b-sides from this time would be great. save the Family stuff for a big Parade release or another "originals"-

ATWIAD is a wonderful but minor album in his catalog. i don't need a giant book and multi vinyl set and posters and special singles pressings. really i don't need that for any of his works if they don't make money for the estate and gum up the works. i mean, really: a D&P extra super deluxe vinyl was so stupid.

YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HIM ANYMORE. its us old fogeys who are starting to look at our retirement savings and discovering that perhaps there is no more Prince Completist Money available any longer...

so GET THE FUCKING MUSIC OUT NOW WHILE WE ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO BUY IT.

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Kares said:

bizzie said:

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It is a period that is well documented. It is ridiculous to assume that there are dozens of completely unknown outtakes from this era.

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How about the completely unknown album that Prince considered to be the 'A-roll' (as opposed to the 'B-roll': Purple Rain) that Morris Hayes heard and confirmed to exist?

Oh Bort, won't you ever learn.

Oh yeah, I'd seen this back then but it completely slipped my mind. Thanks for the info and links.

Morris talks about 5 songs though, not a completed album (or maybe it was a 5 songs album, but he doesn't use the word "album").

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Not that there isn't enough material from that era to compile an album, I'm sure there is, but I think this is a misunderstanding similar to Prince saying he had the "follow-up album to 1999" that he "could put together", which I always understood as he had enough prime material to assemble an album that could have been released in 1983 if he wanted to, but doesn't mean he ever did.

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TBH I also wonder if we didn't overinterpret what Charles Spicer said when he mentioned "a whole Jamie Starr album in the vault from 85 and this was a jam with Linn and Oberheim, total Minneapolis Sound vibes". It sounds a lot like a practice session like the "Lisa/Katrina" jam and yeah, it could be released as an album like AP&AM83 was, but it doesn't necessarily means it's something Prince consciously compiled as an album. At least the way it was explained is somewhat ambiguous IMHO.

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I may be wrong (and TBH, I really hope I'm wrong!), but I suspect there aren't that many completed albums that aren't just work in progress versions of released albums in the vault. We know of a few, but IDK if there are that many others.

databank said:

Oh yeah, I'd seen this back then but it completely slipped my mind. Thanks for the info and links.

Morris talks about 5 songs though, not a completed album (or maybe it was a 5 songs album, but he doesn't use the word "album").

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Not that there isn't enough material from that era to compile an album, I'm sure there is, but I think this is a misunderstanding similar to Prince saying he had the "follow-up album to 1999" that he "could put together", which I always understood as he had enough prime material to assemble an album that could have been released in 1983 if he wanted to, but doesn't mean he ever did.

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TBH I also wonder if we didn't overinterpret what Charles Spicer said when he mentioned "a whole Jamie Starr album in the vault from 85 and this was a jam with Linn and Oberheim, total Minneapolis Sound vibes". It sounds a lot like a practice session like the "Lisa/Katrina" jam and yeah, it could be released as an album like AP&AM83 was, but it doesn't necessarily means it's something Prince consciously compiled as an album. At least the way it was explained is somewhat ambiguous IMHO.

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I may be wrong (and TBH, I really hope I'm wrong!), but I suspect there aren't that many completed albums that aren't just work in progress versions of released albums in the vault. We know of a few, but IDK if there are that many others.

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The Hayes interview segment you're referring to wasn't the only time Morris talked about this. In the other interview I remember he clearly expressed that Prince called the 'Purple Rain' album his "B-roll" of the time, and to me that suggests that whatever material he considered the "A-roll" also had to be a completed album, otherwise why would he use the term "A-roll"...
Morris was also clear that he knows the bootlegs well, yet he never ever heard those songs again, anywhere. And even if it's "only" 5 songs – we don't know the length of those songs. But we do know P enjoyed tracking 10-min songs that were cut down to size later. So theoretically it could be a 5-song album.

Kares said:

bizzie said:

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It is a period that is well documented. It is ridiculous to assume that there are dozens of completely unknown outtakes from this era.

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How about the completely unknown album that Prince considered to be the 'A-roll' (as opposed to the 'B-roll': Purple Rain) that Morris Hayes heard and confirmed to exist?

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I don't put much faith in the exaggerations of a man who couldn't tell a straight story about his work on W2A.

rap said:

Kares said:

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How about the completely unknown album that Prince considered to be the 'A-roll' (as opposed to the 'B-roll': Purple Rain) that Morris Hayes heard and confirmed to exist?

Oh Bort, won't you ever learn.

These mofos kill me thinking they know every move Prince was making.

They don't.

WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

I assume the footage would be the full show from from the America video shoot (October 1985) That’s a relatively short setlist though. Perhaps they have some footage from soundchecks or rehearsals of some of the ATWIAD tracks they could include as well. This is of course assuming they would include footage; which I believe they would as the expanded version of PR did, and londell has been pretty vocal about how important video content is to the releases.

Teh soundcheck/camera check rehearsal and the videoshoot and mini show afterwards are all 'out there' so I would guess they are also in the vault. This could be a great Bluray with the set