Marco81 said:

Marco81 said:

Seriously, who f*****g cares about the hologram? Christ's sake...

+1

I'd like to have only the cds for 70€ and not 170€. I love Prince for his music

Marco81 said:

Seriously, who f*****g cares about the hologram? Christ's sake...

uh, the people mentioning the hologram, perhaps?

But if we're going hyperbolic rhetorical questions: who tf cares about a deluxe edition of the unequivocally worst album Prince released in the 90s?

Actually, since there clearly are some of you, if you do claim to care about this trash project how do you not care about all elements of the project? Artwork and packaging beneath you? Did you opt for the digital download then? Do you whine about inclusion of the edits and remixes? You in favor of repeating the same concert across 3 discs? What do you care about?

Given the amount of you reviewing and highlighting the 13 Originals like they're some brand-newly unearthered discoveries when literally most if not all them have been out and just sitting there for you to enjoy for 3 decades+, I would argue most of you don't even exactly know wtf you care about in the first place.

The hologram was part of the original release. This is supposed to be a "Super" "Deluxe" edition of said original release.

This ish costs more than an electric bill. If you're actually paying that kind of $ maybe you should care.

themanfromneptune said:

Marco81 said:

Seriously, who f*****g cares about the hologram? Christ's sake...

+1

I'd like to have only the cds for 70€ and not 170€. I love Prince for his music

The hologram wasn't even included and this thing still manages to require a small loan to purchase.

You people should be bitching about them repeating the same concert across 3 discs. Omitting the 2 CDs of the same exact stuff you got on the blu ray would drive the price point down more than excluding a hologram that was already exclued.

WhisperingDandelions said:

themanfromneptune said:

+1

I'd like to have only the cds for 70€ and not 170€. I love Prince for his music

The hologram wasn't even included and this thing still manages to require a small loan to purchase.

You people should be bitching about them repeating the same concert across 3 discs. Omitting the 2 CDs of the same exact stuff you got on the blu ray would drive the price point down more than excluding a hologram that was already exclued.

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TBH my perfect package was 1999: a functional cds container, a little book for information, a affordable price. About the "orignals" I disagree: I never loved the Prince songs sung by others. I got some of the Apollonia, The Time, Taja Sevelle albums but I did I haven't been able to listen to them much bacause Prince voice missing. So I enjoy the D&P or the Originals songs with the Prince vocal guide. As I'm happy to have old bootleged songs in a hi-fi quality after years of botched fan masterings in lo-fi.

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Yes, I'm annoyed by the fact that these songs come in overpriced packages that I simply can't buy. I haven't bought D&P SDE yet and it bothers me.

TBH my perfect package was 1999: a functional cds container, a little book for information, a affordable price.

Yes, I'm annoyed by the fact that these songs come in overpriced packages that I simply can't buy. I haven't bought D&P SDE yet and it bothers me.

100% agree

bozojones said:

In ROD we trust

RODSERLING said:

Just a quick review : Diamonds and Pearls is my favourite Prince album, after SOTT. Only heard the 1st two Cds of the Vault so far. Very disappointing material, compared to the 3 previous SDEs. I like Pain, it s like 100 better than D Angelo stuff. The early versions are too similar to the already published versions to be enjoyable. Spirit is funny, that s cool to hear Prince in that pop/dance genre. That's a funny time-capsule ( rap, dance),but very weak stuff overall, but I heard the 3rd CD is the best. Some things have nothing to do in the Vault stuff, such as the 12'mix of Daxfy Pop or the Thunder Ballet. Too many fillers. I still don't get why they pick edits instead of remixes. I guess it's a streaming revenue $ thing : by making these edits versions officially available on Spotify, that makes for more potential streams for Insatiable and Thunder. I guess some suits saw it as more profitable than Clocking the Jizz. Very disappointing book : too many similar photos, but still no lyrics for the new material...What's the point ? There are even apparently photos of the blu ray show. The two live Cds have no point to be the same released in blu ray. Waste of space.

I agree.

Book is besides the Duane info, not good at all.

Indeed bad quality pics taken from...videos

Indeed too much of the same photoshoot on a two page spread.

A square difficult book to use, with sometimes one photo over both pages, this never works!

The quality of the pics are low. Indeed where area the lyrics of new songs?

They coudl've printed more handwritten stuff, behind the scenes photo's and stories.

Prince's personal private pictures.

To me it all looks very superficial.

We barely get to see and know the human Prince behind his creations.

For me this is a very superficial, cheap-ish sloppy collage SDE.

WhisperingDandelions said:

themanfromneptune said:

+1

I'd like to have only the cds for 70€ and not 170€. I love Prince for his music

The hologram wasn't even included and this thing still manages to require a small loan to purchase.

You people should be bitching about them repeating the same concert across 3 discs. Omitting the 2 CDs of the same exact stuff you got on the blu ray would drive the price point down more than excluding a hologram that was already exclued.

I'm actually quite glad in the end for the audio cds of the gig. I listen more while traveling, and barely have time to watch a bluray.

Yes, in theory, I could have ripped the bluray audio, but don't have the ability to do that, and I doubt many can be arsed.

lustmealways said:

What's with all the talk about the hologram and the book? This is a thread about the Vault tracks.

Vannormal said:

RODSERLING said:

Just a quick review : Diamonds and Pearls is my favourite Prince album, after SOTT. Only heard the 1st two Cds of the Vault so far. Very disappointing material, compared to the 3 previous SDEs. I like Pain, it s like 100 better than D Angelo stuff. The early versions are too similar to the already published versions to be enjoyable. Spirit is funny, that s cool to hear Prince in that pop/dance genre. That's a funny time-capsule ( rap, dance),but very weak stuff overall, but I heard the 3rd CD is the best. Some things have nothing to do in the Vault stuff, such as the 12'mix of Daxfy Pop or the Thunder Ballet. Too many fillers. I still don't get why they pick edits instead of remixes. I guess it's a streaming revenue $ thing : by making these edits versions officially available on Spotify, that makes for more potential streams for Insatiable and Thunder. I guess some suits saw it as more profitable than Clocking the Jizz. Very disappointing book : too many similar photos, but still no lyrics for the new material...What's the point ? There are even apparently photos of the blu ray show. The two live Cds have no point to be the same released in blu ray. Waste of space.

I agree.

Book is besides the Duane info, not good at all.

Indeed bad quality pics taken from...videos

Indeed too much of the same photoshoot on a two page spread.

A square difficult book to use, with sometimes one photo over both pages, this never works!

The quality of the pics are low. Indeed where area the lyrics of new songs?

They coudl've printed more handwritten stuff, behind the scenes photo's and stories.

Prince's personal private pictures.

To me it all looks very superficial.

We barely get to see and know the human Prince behind his creations.

For me this is a very superficial, cheap-ish sloppy collage SDE.

i bet all these SDE books will be like this.

they arent real books, they are just coffee table books, with tons of filler to pad it out.

the way to sell these packages is to make them biiiiig, and make them weighty, and then people will be like 'wow, this feels important!'

Honestly, I prefer a SDE release without a book.

They could make a special website with all picures,

far more (text and insight) information and make it possible for download in PDF format,

something like that.

I'm not an expert but printing (extra) CD(s) or DVD(s) probably is (far) less expensive?

Anyways, make moer available from one era for real Priince lovers, via Online download or streaming

or whatever other possibilities.

t would make it all so much more enjoyable.

as the great billy sparks said:

"this a business.. you aint too far gone to see that yet"

Trufunksoulja said:

Tora said:

Trufunksoulja said:

I prefer the SDEs with coffee table books. And yes the Hologram should have been included it is part of this era. Doesn't mage sense to make this website only. Because this will not stay online forever. What I don't get are the single edits. Im not listening to these, don't even want them in my collection. Get rid of these for future SDEs and add more remixes or anything else for that matter.

Like some have pointed out, I don't mind the coffee table books, just as long as they also have a 1999-style SDE CD, smaller and cheaper option. Make the Edits available on streaming or download stores only. And replace those tracks on the physical releases with more Vault content (unreleased, alternate takes, rehearsals, etc.)

True, there should definitely be a Musicology/NPG online streaming service.

With rehearsals, live shows etc.

I would drop 20 bucks per month in a heartbeat

But then again this is the new Estate, I am not expecting much.

After living with the SDE for some weeks, I still enjoy it very much. It's a great deal more enjoyable than I thought it would be. My main criticism: Too little music!

It hurts that they did include Cream Take 2, but not Take 1.

It hurts to read that The Voice was originally recorded for Rosie Gaines and that there exists a version with her on lead vox - but they didn't include it.

The same goes for Blood On The Sheets. They write that a version with ad-libbed lyrics exist - but they don't include it. How can you possibly do that?

What makes matters even worse is that there is 20 to 30 minutes of disc space available - on each one of the three Vault discs.

So, for the next SDE: Please give us the full sessions!!!

Even worse was the SOTT SDE. All of us know that SOTT was the best of three different Albums: Dream Factory, Camille + Crystal Ball. And we still don't have an official release of any of these albums. I really can't standt to listen to this hodgepodge of outtakes out of context of an actual album. What a wasted opportunity!

themanfromneptune said:

Marco81 said:

Seriously, who f*****g cares about the hologram? Christ's sake...

+1

I'd like to have only the cds for 70€ and not 170€. I love Prince for his music

Agree somehow.

Though Prince intended to make his package look the way he wanted.

Even the Rolling Stones now have a hologram cover art for Hackney Diamonds.

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Artwork is an important choice. Certainly when the artist himself is heavily involved. (Often oethers leave it up to the record company).

The artwork is inextricably linked to the music with which it is packaged.

It gives a face to the music, sometimes even more than a video clip.

In this case, Prince had two original release versions. A golden yellow version with hologram, and a blue version without hologram.

I remember the hologram version was promoted the most. It was also the first version I found in the store. (In 1992 he even had 3 versions, without a hologram, but with that large golden symbol.)

I've already said it in another post, the entire packaging of this SDE is substandard in quality and execution.

Thin cardboard for the CD packaging, substandard photo prints on the CD and LP covers, and even in the book.

It is the final finished product that is disproportionate to the price. Compare it, for example, with the 12 LP SDE of the recent Dire Straits SDE, or the price ratio of the new The Rolling Stones versions... etc.

What's the Prince song sampled in Do Your Dance? I can't place it and it's annoying the fuck outta me. And no, I ain't talking bout Cream lol.

[Edited 12/2/23 4:08am]

MattyJam said:

What's the Prince song sampled in Do Your Dance? I can't place it and it's annoying the fuck outta me. And no, I ain't talking bout Cream lol.

[Edited 12/2/23 4:08am]

According to Prince Vault -

• The interjection "Doopey Doopey Doopey" in this song also appears in Shockadelica and American In Paris.

Hold up? It's only been a few weeks, man.

I'm mostly listening to the album ("Jughead"-free).

My friend Fenwick is noticing really weird shit in the ATMOS mix. Many times Prince's voice isn't in the center where it should be; instead it's some oddball rhythm track or the reverb from Rosie's voice. Really odd mixing. He's showed me quite a few examples, and it's a bit of a trainwreck in sections.

Even on the regular CD, when they're singing "D to the I to the A to the M", the echo on Rosie's voice suddenly stands out really loud compared to the actual line. In the ATMOS, that echo is right in the center, while the rest of her is in the left. It's ridiculous. And Fenwick has been listening to this type of audio for 20 years. He's a pretty good critic of it.

But he did compliment stuff like "Strollin'" and "Willing and Able" and "Walk Don't Walk."

I've found a new appreciation of the album, as I was sorta out of touch with it back in the day, and never did fully connect with it over time. It is a bit of a hodge podge from viable commercial tracks to Prince delving into a genre and having a spastic aural zoomie.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

You guys unhappy with the atmos mix are listening to it on the right kind of audio setup right? Theyre not meant for standard 2 channel systems or headphones.

Fenwick has been listening to stuff like this for two decades. He's not new to it. He has a 7.1 theater in his house.

The fact that Prince's vocals are not in the center should be a major concern for future releases not being divided correctly.

TrivialPursuit said: