Reply #600 posted 08/26/23 4:02am
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yeah, fuck all those essays, where are the interviews with and the stories from the band members?
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Reply #601 posted 08/26/23 4:09am
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WhisperingDandelions said:
dodger07 said:
themanfromneptune said: The way Clockin The Jizz was joined with Gangster Glam on the maxi, home video and even combined on some remixes it seems strange to not include it. . Same with the early version of The Flow, with Rosie on and was even on early configurations of the album. You’d think that was a no brainier . These could be in place of the edits, which I’ve never understood why anyone would want them
I don't get why anyone would want a remaster of an album released in 1991 CD era,
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a) Mastering technology has come a long way since then.
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b) A 1990s master often "sounds" 1990s, with a lot of mid and not enough bass.
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c) Remastering it now means you can ensure that all tracks can be mixed in a playlist and you don't get wildly different audio levels. Moreover, they can also be mixed with other albums that were mixed along the same standard. |
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Reply #602 posted 08/26/23 4:38am
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LILpoundCAKE said:
yeah, fuck all those essays, where are the interviews with and the stories from the band members?
i liked the duff mckagan piece in the 1999 SDE
some contextual essays by swenson and tudahl are good i think
i dont need overly political axe grinding essays though
or pointless celeb 'notes' or 'introductions' that add nothing
but yeah id like some interviews with band members, for sure
michael bland especially - hes always good in interviews
be a shame if he has no input on this
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Reply #603 posted 08/26/23 5:07am
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Do you know more or less when it will appear for pre order in Spain? In the other web site with the list of countries Spain it's still missing |
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Reply #604 posted 08/26/23 5:35am
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i know people are unhappy to not have two live shows, but after the SOTT utrecht show sounding limp AF, maybe this show will at least be a great document of the tour/band at this stage. though it now makes me wish the first ave show of the SOTT tour was on the SOTT SDE instead. [Edited 8/26/23 5:36am] |
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Reply #605 posted 08/26/23 6:11am
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bizzie said:
WhisperingDandelions said:
I don't get why anyone would want a remaster of an album released in 1991 CD era,
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a) Mastering technology has come a long way since then.
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b) A 1990s master often "sounds" 1990s, with a lot of mid and not enough bass.
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c) Remastering it now means you can ensure that all tracks can be mixed in a playlist and you don't get wildly different audio levels. Moreover, they can also be mixed with other albums that were mixed along the same standard.
yeah yeah, the same propaganda hype I've been reading about "remasters" since I was getting banned from AOL chatrooms in the 4th grade.
Fact remains 90% of them suck in actual practice.
Playlist schmaylist. Sick of gotdam playlists. Society needs to break free from this strangehold the stupid playlist has taken over the very fabric of social existence. Every website now you can't bring up a single obscuro track without a "UH, you got a SPOTIFY PLAYLIST there?!?!?" "nope they're uh, not on Spotify.." "............................................." Adjusting the vol. literally one click... |
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Reply #606 posted 08/26/23 6:16am
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
i know people are unhappy to not have two live shows,
I'm the only one I've seen vehemently unhappy about it. General reaction seems somewhere on the range from "meh, okay with it" to "very grateful we don't have to play the BluRay on the kids backseat A/V setup when we want to bump the live show in our cars."
I just wanna know if that was what Dr. Dingleberry was alluding to when he said something about how "ingrates and infantile ingnoramuses will be complaining about this when they simply don't understand the intracies of putting together a release" blah blah whatever he was alluding to while trying to blatantly jack Prince's trademark crypicisms. [Edited 8/26/23 6:20am] |
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Reply #607 posted 08/26/23 7:28am
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Number one on Amazon, R&B, number 4 cds overall. Explains why the family put this out; we may have the first hit Prince album in years. I'll tell U what the Eye in the Pimp stand 4! |
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Reply #608 posted 08/26/23 9:40am
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Should Letter 4 Miles be on this set?
Finished in Feb 1992.
Surely a Lovesymbol track. Something BIG Is Coming. |
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Reply #609 posted 08/26/23 9:54am
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WhisperingDandelions said:
bizzie said:
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a) Mastering technology has come a long way since then.
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b) A 1990s master often "sounds" 1990s, with a lot of mid and not enough bass.
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c) Remastering it now means you can ensure that all tracks can be mixed in a playlist and you don't get wildly different audio levels. Moreover, they can also be mixed with other albums that were mixed along the same standard.
yeah yeah, the same propaganda hype I've been reading about "remasters" since I was getting banned from AOL chatrooms in the 4th grade.
Fact remains 90% of them suck in actual practice.
Playlist schmaylist. Sick of gotdam playlists. Society needs to break free from this strangehold the stupid playlist has taken over the very fabric of social existence. Every website now you can't bring up a single obscuro track without a "UH, you got a SPOTIFY PLAYLIST there?!?!?" "nope they're uh, not on Spotify.." "............................................." Adjusting the vol. literally one click...
ha. im also unconvinced about most remasters. though i did like the late 90s stevie wonder and marvin gaye ones where they had an extra disc of unreleased material (i guess this was the same as the prince SDEs, just not as massive). but a lot of modern remasters seem to be designed to please streamers, or done in mind with modern production tastes (eg the recent stones exile on main street i remember being really weird if you have heard the original). im sure there are some good ones, and its prob just me being a purist, but i tend to think, what was released, is how it was meant to be really. except in some circumstances, when an alternative mix can make the album quite different, like the iggy pop mix of raw power, but even then, the bowie mix, for its oddness, still rules lol. it was released that way for a reason. D&P sounds thin, a bit weedy in places (thunder), cos yknow, it was released in 1991.
Should Letter 4 Miles be on this set?
there is no consistency on these sets lol. but maybe that was really recorded earlier, who knows.
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Reply #610 posted 08/26/23 10:19am
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Landonfunkmonkey said: Should Letter 4 Miles be on this set?
Finished in Feb 1992.
Surely a Lovesymbol track. I’ve always suspected that dates “experts” think they know may not be correct… or not the whole story. Maybe something small was added or remixed in Feb 92, but rest was recorded far earlier. |
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Reply #611 posted 08/26/23 10:19am
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themanfromneptune said:
PRNelson said: I was hoping for the version of willing & able from the home vhs. Arguably, his greatest vocal performance and the band sounded incredible. Would take this over some of the disposable and dated stuff on that track list.
. Uh? Is it not on CD2? 14. Willing And Able (Video Version) [SINGLE MIXES & EDITS (REMASTERED)] Appreciated 👍🏻 balance has now restored to the universe You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City |
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Reply #612 posted 08/26/23 10:38am
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one day we will get 79 mins of gett off house mixes that we all deserve. |
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Reply #615 posted 08/26/23 11:24am
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PRNelson said:
themanfromneptune said:
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Uh? Is it not on CD2?
14. Willing And Able (Video Version) [SINGLE MIXES & EDITS (REMASTERED)]
Appreciated 👍🏻 balance has now restored to the universe
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Reply #616 posted 08/26/23 11:54am
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Thinking Horny Pony 2 will leak soon maybe. It's the b side to Alice so someone might rip it and share it. [Edited 8/26/23 11:54am]
Something BIG Is Coming. |
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Reply #617 posted 08/26/23 8:11pm
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It's already on the beginnings bootleg. |
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Reply #618 posted 08/26/23 10:45pm
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getwild180 said: It's already on the beginnings bootleg. Has it be confirmed that is the same version as on beginnings? Something BIG Is Coming. |
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Reply #619 posted 08/27/23 2:06am
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WhisperingDandelions said:
funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
i know people are unhappy to not have two live shows,
I'm the only one I've seen vehemently unhappy about it. General reaction seems somewhere on the range from "meh, okay with it" to "very grateful we don't have to play the BluRay on the kids backseat A/V setup when we want to bump the live show in our cars."
I just wanna know if that was what Dr. Dingleberry was alluding to when he said something about how "ingrates and infantile ingnoramuses will be complaining about this when they simply don't understand the intracies of putting together a release" blah blah whatever he was alluding to while trying to blatantly jack Prince's trademark crypicisms. [Edited 8/26/23 6:20am] I totally agree, it seems a backward step from the SOTT SDE, to only have one show on this D&P set, especially given how many great shows Prince played at this time - the Glam Slam one surely can’t be the only concert that the audio was recorded well. Saying that though, it is appreciated that this show is easy for the technophobe to listen to - blu-ray audio shouldn’t be so complicated to rip! Even some of the more tech savvy people still struggle (e.g. see this Steve Hoffman thread https://forums.stevehoffm...o.1158488/ - hurts my brain just thinking about the number of steps to get the audio, then by the sounds of it, often failing). Overall, I’m looking forward to this SDE, could have been more on it but at least it’s a release this year, and perhaps it’s a pathway to more frequent stuff - if all we get in the next 18 months is this and another half-hearted Purple Rain release, then that’ll be the time to riot at the gates of Paisley Park 🤣 There may or may not be something coming! |
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Reply #620 posted 08/27/23 5:17am
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Gotta eat some humble pie here and say that I'm really happy with this release. I was sure they'd tie the blu-ray to the vinyl like they did with W2A, but they seemed to have heard our complaints and didn't do that. And at $102 Canadian, this is completely reasonable. Sure I'd like to have the audio of a different live show, but I can see the other side, too. Anyway, well done. PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman! |
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Reply #621 posted 08/27/23 6:02am
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eyewishuheaven said: Gotta eat some humble pie here and say that I'm really happy with this release. I was sure they'd tie the blu-ray to the vinyl like they did with W2A, but they seemed to have heard our complaints and didn't do that. And at $102 Canadian, this is completely reasonable. Sure I'd like to have the audio of a different live show, but I can see the other side, too. Anyway, well done. Indeed from Canada seems to be the lowest price but why order can't be made for shipping to France ? "Money won't buy U happiness but it'll pay 4 the search." |
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Reply #622 posted 08/27/23 6:45am
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Ha. I literally moved to France from Canada 2 days ago. I ordered the set from Amazon Canada. Will probably bring all of my Prince collection to France in the next 6 months or so. Glad I could take advantage of the lower price 😀 |
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Reply #623 posted 08/27/23 6:46am
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And you'd know all that if you'd checked the 1990-1992 chapter of The Chronological Prince ...ings Index. ![wink](/i/s/icon_wink.gif)
That site isn't the end-all be-all, either; for example, Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album, but that site lists its first recording being in 1984. It also makes sense that Manic Monday was recorded earlier, as its melody is quite similar to that of the verses of 1999, and Princevault notes in its Trivia section that Prince's original organ arrangement uses the Oberheim OB-X and that this is unusual because by 1984 Prince rarely used the OB-X and had moved-on to using the newer OB-8. The OB-X was what he used to record 1999 and Vanity 6.
Now perhaps 1984 was the first documented recording of Manic Monday, as we all know Prince recorded a lot on the road and in his home studios, but documentation of all that won't ever be as complete as studio recording session records. |
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Reply #624 posted 08/27/23 10:46am
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themanfromneptune said:
love2thenines2003 said:
The new single rumoured 2 come from D&P has already been played by Sheila E ...21 years ago !!
Sheila E. - Alice Through The Looking Glass - Live @Paisley Park (Xenophobia Celebration) on june 22, 2002 (support act 4 Prince)
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Yes, we told about this yesterday in this thread.
Well... you told this yesterday!
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Sheila E has been performing this live for over 30 years. I first heard it on her Sex Cymbal tour in '91. I wonder if it was slated for her abandoned album on Paisley? Anyone know for sure?? |
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Reply #625 posted 08/27/23 10:53am
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Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album
. So it wasn't written by Apollonia after all? |
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Reply #626 posted 08/27/23 10:56am
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strongoxman1 said:
scififilmnerd said:
And you'd know all that if you'd checked the 1990-1992 chapter of The Chronological Prince ...ings Index. ![wink](/i/s/icon_wink.gif)
That site isn't the end-all be-all, either; for example, Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album, but that site lists its first recording being in 1984. It also makes sense that Manic Monday was recorded earlier, as its melody is quite similar to that of the verses of 1999, and Princevault notes in its Trivia section that Prince's original organ arrangement uses the Oberheim OB-X and that this is unusual because by 1984 Prince rarely used the OB-X and had moved-on to using the newer OB-8. The OB-X was what he used to record 1999 and Vanity 6.
Now perhaps 1984 was the first documented recording of Manic Monday, as we all know Prince recorded a lot on the road and in his home studios, but documentation of all that won't ever be as complete as studio recording session records.
I haven't read or heard any interviews with Brenda saying Manic Monday was written for Vanity 6. If you could orgnote me links to any, I'd be delighted to read/hear them. But, in the recent Apollonia Studio 6 episode on YouTube with Duane Tudahl, Apollonia goes on about how she wrote the lyrics for Glam Life, Manic Monday which Prince then made into songs. Also, PrinceVault has it from 4 February 1984 too. So who's right? Brenda or Apollonia? ![confused](/i/s/icon_confused.gif) FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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Reply #627 posted 08/27/23 11:10am
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scififilmnerd said:
strongoxman1 said:
That site isn't the end-all be-all, either; for example, Brenda Bennet has stated quite clearly in interviews that Manic Monday was originally recorded by Vanity for the second V6 album, but that site lists its first recording being in 1984. It also makes sense that Manic Monday was recorded earlier, as its melody is quite similar to that of the verses of 1999, and Princevault notes in its Trivia section that Prince's original organ arrangement uses the Oberheim OB-X and that this is unusual because by 1984 Prince rarely used the OB-X and had moved-on to using the newer OB-8. The OB-X was what he used to record 1999 and Vanity 6.
Now perhaps 1984 was the first documented recording of Manic Monday, as we all know Prince recorded a lot on the road and in his home studios, but documentation of all that won't ever be as complete as studio recording session records.
I haven't read or heard any interviews with Brenda saying Manic Monday was written for Vanity 6. If you could orgnote me links to any, I'd be delighted to read/hear them. But, in the recent Apollonia Studio 6 episode on YouTube with Duane Tudahl, Apollonia goes on about how she wrote the lyrics for Glam Life, Manic Monday which Prince then made into songs. Also, PrinceVault has it from 4 February 1984 too. So who's right? Brenda or Apollonia? ![confused](/i/s/icon_confused.gif)
. Or Susan Rogers or Peggy McCreary? ![smile](/i/s/icon_smile.gif) They also have different memories of P writing Manic Monday. . Apollonia's "proof" is a notebook with 2 missing pages. The thing is, I also have an old notebook with a few missing pages, so I also must've written songs with Prince. |
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Reply #628 posted 08/27/23 11:18am
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said: one day we will get 79 mins of gett off house mixes that we all deserve. Yaaas! "The password is what." |
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Reply #629 posted 08/27/23 11:25am
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eduJ said:
themanfromneptune said:
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Yes, we told about this yesterday in this thread.
Well... you told this yesterday!
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Sheila E has been performing this live for over 30 years. I first heard it on her Sex Cymbal tour in '91. I wonder if it was slated for her abandoned album on Paisley? Anyone know for sure??
if this is the case, it's a small wonder she hasn't come out yet, telling us all about how she wrote it and got prince to do a version following her lead vocal.
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