bluegangsta said:

Insatiable, Glam Slam 91, Live 4 Love, Letter 4 Miles and Thunder Ballet are not lossless files - they all cut off at 16k.

What's really strange is that there is a section of Thunder Ballet that does exceed 16k. This is the end of the song itself, from about 2:40 to 3:00.

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I see this all the time, so let's get the record straight: just because a file cuts off at 16k it does not necessarily mean it went through a lossy data-compression. Lots of vinyl production masters cut off at 16k or 17k (or even as low as 15k), for example. Also: LPFs work by applying a slope of attenuation, so it's not like a brickwall that doesn't let anything pass. An LPF set at 16k can still result in some higher frequencies to remain if they were very loud in the source material.
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Kares said:

fredmagnus said:

Kares said:

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I see this all the time, so let's get the record straight: just because a file cuts off at 16k it does not necessarily mean it went through a lossy data-compression. Lots of vinyl production masters cut off at 16k or 17k (or even as low as 15k), for example. Also: LPFs work by applying a slope of attenuation, so it's not like a brickwall that doesn't let anything pass. An LPF set at 16k can still result in some higher frequencies to remain if they were very loud in the source material.
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Thanks for that great explanation. I had a feeling they didn't necessarily used lossy sources but had no clue about why some songs were cut off at 16Khz.

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Of course I can't say what they used (I haven't even heard the upcoming stuff yet), I'm only saying that a 16kHz cutoff in itself is not an undisputable 'smoking gun' for having used an mp3 as a source.

To be honest though, I would also wonder how it is possible that they only find a vinyl production master for something but not the original mixdown nor the multitrack. And for several songs? Highly unlikely. Similarly: how likely it could be that they find mp3s of some songs but no masters, no multitracks? There are so many questions and I hate that they don't communicate.
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So what I am sure of is that whatever they use and do, they should be transparent about it in the liner notes. We deserve explanations, especially after so many f...ups.
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Ramzoo said:

Honestly I'm not really that excited for this. The anticipation isn't there. I think it's a combination of this being the same old shit re: shooting themselves in the foot by severely limiting the scope and contents of releases like these and the fact that D&P SDE has been "around the corner" since October 2020. I'm just tired of it. Hopefully the PR40 SDE isn't half assed the way 1999, SOTT, and D&P were. Or better yet, hopefully they ditch the antiquated SDE system all together.

lustmealways said:

Honestly I'm not really that excited for this. The anticipation isn't there. I think it's a combination of this being the same old shit re: shooting themselves in the foot by severely limiting the scope and contents of releases like these and the fact that D&P SDE has been "around the corner" since October 2020. I'm just tired of it. Hopefully the PR40 SDE isn't half assed the way 1999, SOTT, and D&P were. Or better yet, hopefully they ditch the antiquated SDE system all together.

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SDEs could be great if 1: they would focus on the album and only include outtakes that are directly linked to the album, and if 2: they would be comprehensive, including ALL versions of the songs.
I know it's an unpopular choice but I would make them CD-only, as I see no reason of putting out 12-15 different versions of a song on vinyl and shipping massive and heavy, 12-15 LP boxes around the world.
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And for all the vault material that isn't directly linked to certain albums, I would compile them into new albums and put them out as such, giving them far more chance to shine on their own (instead of just being buried in a huge SDE box of some other material). Totally new Prince albums generate more PR than SDEs of old albums – and less diehard fans will be more likely to buy them than SDEs. .
There's an entirely different message of SDEs and new albums to casual fans: if they see a (let's say) Diamonds And Pearls SDE, most will think "I already have that album, I don't need to spend a fortune on it again just to have some extra demos too". They don't know that in Prince's case the "extra demos" are actually fully finished, and often great songs. That is not the norm for deluxe editions.
But seeing a "new Prince album" they will go: "Oh, a brand new Prince album? I must get that!"

Kares said:

bluegangsta said:

Insatiable, Glam Slam 91, Live 4 Love, Letter 4 Miles and Thunder Ballet are not lossless files - they all cut off at 16k.

What's really strange is that there is a section of Thunder Ballet that does exceed 16k. This is the end of the song itself, from about 2:40 to 3:00.

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I see this all the time, so let's get the record straight: just because a file cuts off at 16k it does not necessarily mean it went through a lossy data-compression. Lots of vinyl production masters cut off at 16k or 17k (or even as low as 15k), for example. Also: LPFs work by applying a slope of attenuation, so it's not like a brickwall that doesn't let anything pass. An LPF set at 16k can still result in some higher frequencies to remain if they were very loud in the source material.
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Thanks for this very important clarification, Kares.

Kares said:

lustmealways said:

Honestly I'm not really that excited for this. The anticipation isn't there. I think it's a combination of this being the same old shit re: shooting themselves in the foot by severely limiting the scope and contents of releases like these and the fact that D&P SDE has been "around the corner" since October 2020. I'm just tired of it. Hopefully the PR40 SDE isn't half assed the way 1999, SOTT, and D&P were. Or better yet, hopefully they ditch the antiquated SDE system all together.

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SDEs could be great if 1: they would focus on the album and only include outtakes that are directly linked to the album, and if 2: they would be comprehensive, including ALL versions of the songs.
I know it's an unpopular choice but I would make them CD-only, as I see no reason of putting out 12-15 different versions of a song on vinyl and shipping massive and heavy, 12-15 LP boxes around the world.
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And for all the vault material that isn't directly linked to certain albums, I would compile them into new albums and put them out as such, giving them far more chance to shine on their own (instead of just being buried in a huge SDE box of some other material). Totally new Prince albums generate more PR than SDEs of old albums – and less diehard fans will be more likely to buy them than SDEs. .
There's an entirely different message of SDEs and new albums to casual fans: if they see a (let's say) Diamonds And Pearls SDE, most will think "I already have that album, I don't need to spend a fortune on it again just to have some extra demos too". They don't know that in Prince's case the "extra demos" are actually fully finished, and often great songs. That is not the norm for deluxe editions.
But seeing a "new Prince album" they will go: "Oh, a brand new Prince album? I must get that!"

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AMEN

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I would be even more radical: SDE with all the alternate/rehearsal/live version of album songs.

AND

Vault series as new albums with ONLY unreleased music every year.

themanfromneptune said:

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I would be even more radical: SDE with all the alternate/rehearsal/live version of album songs.

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That would be literally endless and really unneccessary to be released. Just think about how many dozens of CDs they could fill with just the hours and hours of rehearsals for ONE song, let alone the live versions. Would you really purchase a 46 CD box of just one song? And for all the songs?

Kares said:

themanfromneptune said:

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I would be even more radical: SDE with all the alternate/rehearsal/live version of album songs.

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That would be literally endless and really unneccessary to be released. Just think about how many dozens of CDs they could fill with just the hours and hours of rehearsals for ONE song, let alone the live versions. Would you really purchase a 46 CD box of just one song? And for all the songs?

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Sorry: I didn't mean all the alternative versions of each song, but an SDE that includes all the alternative versions chosen, with even multiple versions of the same song.

Thnaks 2 the one who shared some leaked tracks (8)...

On iTunes the track timings are now showing for the whole studio album, Live 4 Love (Early Mix) and Get Blue.

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In the past this indicates what tracks are being released in that week...be surprising to release the whole album now but maybe we're getting L4L and Get Blue this week...

From the leaked songs I like the ' The Voice' the best. Classic Prince. Same as Open Book and Get Blue, not released yet, but in the same league. Songs like glamslam91 , the last dance and something funky are fun but I understand why they are not released.

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I kinda like "glam slam '91".

I was actually sort of looking forward to it being on this set since I figured the sound upgrade
would be huge. Until I realised, listening to the new leak, that it is actually supposed to sound
like that

There is some significant update in some of his (add lib) vocal tracks but the overall sound of
the song I guess was always supposed to be so flat and 'washed through a 1940s radio' jingle.

Still, the Girl, I must confess your finesse is stunnin' line alone is worth listening to it

LILpoundCAKE said:

I kinda like "glam slam '91".

I was actually sort of looking forward to it being on this set since I figured the sound upgrade
would be huge. Until I realised, listening to the new leak, that it is actually supposed to sound
like that

There is some significant update in some of his (add lib) vocal tracks but the overall sound of
the song I guess was always supposed to be so flat and 'washed through a 1940s radio' jingle.

Still, the Girl, I must confess your finesse is stunnin' line alone is worth listening to it

The leak is mono. Surely it will be in stereo and sound much better on the official release.

scififilmnerd said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

I kinda like "glam slam '91".

I was actually sort of looking forward to it being on this set since I figured the sound upgrade
would be huge. Until I realised, listening to the new leak, that it is actually supposed to sound
like that

There is some significant update in some of his (add lib) vocal tracks but the overall sound of
the song I guess was always supposed to be so flat and 'washed through a 1940s radio' jingle.

Still, the Girl, I must confess your finesse is stunnin' line alone is worth listening to it

The leak is mono. Surely it will be in stereo and sound much better on the official release.

I hope so. I think I noticed another audio watermark in one of the leaked tracks,
so let's hope the mono GS91 is also just a bootlegger signature to keep track of
who shared what, when and where.

Get Blue and Live 4 Love Early Version have just been released.

Live 4 Love is an early version, but not so early in the end...I think they just released the official CD version labelling it early version by mistake...(I mean the version on YouTube)

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[Edited 9/28/23 8:20am]

The full remastered Diamond and Pearls album is also available to download.

[Edited 9/28/23 8:25am]

Marco81 said:

Marco81 said:

Get Blue and Live 4 Love Early Version have just been released.

Live 4 Love is an early version, but not so early in the end...I think they just released the official CD version labelling it early version by mistake...(I mean the version on YouTube)

[Edited 9/28/23 8:16am]

[Edited 9/28/23 8:20am]

Definitely a mistake on youtube, but the "early mix" on Apple Music is some sort of early version.

kevinpnb said:

Marco81 said:

Get Blue and Live 4 Love Early Version have just been released.

Live 4 Love is an early version, but not so early in the end...I think they just released the official CD version labelling it early version by mistake...(I mean the version on YouTube)

[Edited 9/28/23 8:16am]

[Edited 9/28/23 8:20am]

Definitely a mistake on youtube, but the "early mix" on Apple Music is some sort of early version.

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On youtube they use the old album version... (facepalm)

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

The YouTube Live 4 Love (early version) is screwed up. They posted the album version 🤣

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There is also the right one, but with no video:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJjoE7SAeXU

Holy hell this set is up to $289 CDN now on Amazon. Glad I preordered for $102!