BTW, is it my impression or the Estate didnt publish the credits for both ´All A Share Together´ and ´7´? I checked Princevault . com and they assume it was Prince playing everything on both (and it makes total sense), but I think it´s a shame that there doesnt seem to have official credits anywhere.

Please continue discussion further for each song, here:

https://prince.org/msg/7/470027 (All A Share...)

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and here:

https://prince.org/msg/7/470028

langebleu said:

Please continue discussion further for each song, here:

https://prince.org/msg/7/470027 (All A Share...)

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and here:

FFS, why?...
This is what drives people away from this site.
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This topic was NOT about the two songs - it was a conversation primarily about the Estate's questionable move.
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But go ahead and cut the conversation and just close the thread. Congrats!

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Kares .. if you wish to discuss the music of each song, please discuss on the relevant threads for each song.

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This thread has not been locked - it is for continuing the discussion of the background to the release etc. (just as you have pointed out on the issues that people have raised so far).
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The other threads are for discussion of the music of the individual songs.

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Back to the thread discussion...

langebleu said:

Kares .. if you wish to discuss the music of each song, please discuss on the relevant threads for each song.

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This thread has not been locked - it is for continuing the discussion of the background to the release etc. (just as you have pointed out on the issues that people have raised so far).
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The other threads are for discussion of the music of the individual songs.

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Back to the thread discussion...

Okay,
I thought you were going to close the thread.
Apologies.

^ No problem ... all understood ... back to the discussion

If these are still in mono, i'll wait for some other future release to purchase.

In the meantime, i'll jam 'em on that yootoob thingy...

nayroo2002 said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

rap said:

I contacted Ben and he got right on it.

seriously? that would be great!

ben@prince.org

rap said:

bizzie said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

Couple of links to articles about the releases https://www.rollingstone....84358/amp/ https://www.cbsnews.com/a...sion-of-7/

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Why do you link to "amp" versions of those URLs? Link to the proper ones:

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https://www.cbsnews.com/m...sion-of-7/

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https://www.rollingstone....234784358/

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amp links are bad: https://medium.com/@danbu...d060a4ff31 + https://www.theverge.com/...rs-lawsuit

God forbid Rolling Stone magazine and CBS News don't get any ad revenue from someone who clicked from the org.

FragileUndertow said:

nayroo2002 said:

If these are still in mono, i'll wait for some other future release to purchase.

In the meantime, i'll jam 'em on that yootoob thingy...

I purchased "7 (e flat version)" mp3 with my free credits. It is in sterio, not mono. 320 kbs All a share together is a different story. Mono mixdown I'd have to pay for the flac/wav files. But like you I will wait till they resolve any issues, if that ever happens

On the official Twitter account, I've asked them to fix the issue but i don't get my hopes high. I don't think they'll do anything & we'll stick with the Mono mixdown.

[Edited 7/11/23 7:11am]

fredmagnus said:

FragileUndertow said:

nayroo2002 said: I purchased "7 (e flat version)" mp3 with my free credits. It is in sterio, not mono. 320 kbs All a share together is a different story. Mono mixdown I'd have to pay for the flac/wav files. But like you I will wait till they resolve any issues, if that ever happens

On the official Twitter account, I've asked them to fix the issue but i don't get my hopes high. I don't think they'll do anything & we'll stick with the Mono mixdown.

[Edited 7/11/23 7:11am]

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Well, did we get a fixed version of P&AM83 after I pointed out to Michael Howe that it was transferred at a slightly wrong speed?
Did we get a fixed version of Wally (without the horrible wow&flutter)?
Did we get a proper speed version of the Sign O' The Times (Live In Utrecht) concert included in the SDE?
Did we get a fixed Rebirth Of The Flesh?
and I could go on...

fredmagnus said:

FragileUndertow said:

nayroo2002 said: I purchased "7 (e flat version)" mp3 with my free credits. It is in sterio, not mono. 320 kbs All a share together is a different story. Mono mixdown I'd have to pay for the flac/wav files. But like you I will wait till they resolve any issues, if that ever happens

On the official Twitter account, I've asked them to fix the issue but i don't get my hopes high. I don't think they'll do anything & we'll stick with the Mono mixdown.

[Edited 7/11/23 7:11am]

They claim they're willing to listen to fans who respond to them in a "civil manner" but I've seen plenty of people do just that and I doubt the estate is gonna take any of it into consideration. As always, I'd love to be proven wrong.

fredmagnus said:

FragileUndertow said:

nayroo2002 said: I purchased "7 (e flat version)" mp3 with my free credits. It is in sterio, not mono. 320 kbs All a share together is a different story. Mono mixdown I'd have to pay for the flac/wav files. But like you I will wait till they resolve any issues, if that ever happens

On the official Twitter account, I've asked them to fix the issue but i don't get my hopes high. I don't think they'll do anything & we'll stick with the Mono mixdown.

[Edited 7/11/23 7:11am]

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It's not a mono mixdown, btw. It wasn't mixed to mono – it is originally a stereo mix that was transferred to mono by mistake. (A real mono mix is not the same as what you hear when you press the mono button on your interface or mixer.)

bozojones said:

fredmagnus said:

GustavoRibas said:

BTW, is it my impression or the Estate didnt publish the credits for both ´All A Share Together´ and ´7´? I checked Princevault . com and they assume it was Prince playing everything on both (and it makes total sense), but I think it´s a shame that there doesnt seem to have official credits anywhere.

The drumming on All A Share Together doesn't sound like Prince to me...

Can someone help me on this one?

Is it John Blackwell?

Vannormal said:

GustavoRibas said:

BTW, is it my impression or the Estate didnt publish the credits for both ´All A Share Together´ and ´7´? I checked Princevault . com and they assume it was Prince playing everything on both (and it makes total sense), but I think it´s a shame that there doesnt seem to have official credits anywhere.

The drumming on All A Share Together doesn't sound like Prince to me...

Can someone help me on this one?

Is it John Blackwell?

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- Yes, it reminds me of John too. But I thought ´Musicology´ was John, and it wss Prince emulating him. According to PrinceVault. com, "The song was recorded on 4 September 2006". It was 3121 era. Maybe Josh and Cora? The guitar is surely Prince, but I wouldnt be surprised if he did everything.

bozojones said:

What really gets me is the fans who act like it's out of line to criticize these releases. They bend over backwards to defend the estate with the "you have new music, why aren't you happy???" bullshit while straight up ignoring the plethora of issues that people are rightful to complain about. I genuinely think the estate could put out 128kbps mp3s as an actual release and these bozos would still kiss their asses for doing it

I don't think it's out of line to demand better, at least when it comes to sound quality and artwork. Prince's work needs to be presented in the best possible way.

Song choices aside, the presentation of these 2 songs is really bad.

From one of the seeminly most-photographed (and most photogenic) artists on the planet, there's no reason to use that image on the cover of All A Share Together. Typography is abysmal.

Se7en said:

bozojones said:

What really gets me is the fans who act like it's out of line to criticize these releases. They bend over backwards to defend the estate with the "you have new music, why aren't you happy???" bullshit while straight up ignoring the plethora of issues that people are rightful to complain about. I genuinely think the estate could put out 128kbps mp3s as an actual release and these bozos would still kiss their asses for doing it

I don't think it's out of line to demand better, at least when it comes to sound quality and artwork. Prince's work needs to be presented in the best possible way.

Song choices aside, the presentation of these 2 songs is really bad.

From one of the seeminly most-photographed (and most photogenic) artists on the planet, there's no reason to use that image on the cover of All A Share Together. Typography is abysmal.

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The artwork of these singles is okay – far from being great, but we've seen worse from P. And these are just online singles, so no big deal.
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The major issue here is the total lack of transparency, the lack of any info. My main concern will always be the MUSIC, so to me the biggest problem here is that AASTN was edited. Why? And what is the original playing time of the master? Will we get to hear the entire song? When? And who are the musicians involved? Why can't we see a photo of the tape box too?

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The fact that they have also managed to f*ck up the distribution by accidentally sending out a mono copy is just laughable (and sad), but the main issue is the lack of transparency. That is insulting to this fanbase that does know a few things about the vault – and fans constantly having to correct the people in charge of the estate should not be the norm.
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Kares said:

Se7en said:

I don't think it's out of line to demand better, at least when it comes to sound quality and artwork. Prince's work needs to be presented in the best possible way.

Song choices aside, the presentation of these 2 songs is really bad.

From one of the seeminly most-photographed (and most photogenic) artists on the planet, there's no reason to use that image on the cover of All A Share Together. Typography is abysmal.

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The artwork of these singles is okay – far from being great, but we've seen worse from P. And these are just online singles, so no big deal.
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The major issue here is the total lack of transparency, the lack of any info. My main concern will always be the MUSIC, so to me the biggest problem here is that AASTN was edited. Why? And what is the original playing time of the master? Will we get to hear the entire song? When? And who are the musicians involved? Why can't we see a photo of the tape box too?

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The fact that they have also managed to f*ck up the distribution by accidentally sending out a mono copy is just laughable (and sad), but the main issue is the lack of transparency. That is insulting to this fanbase that does know a few things about the vault – and fans constantly having to correct the people in charge of the estate should not be the norm.
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Yes, exactly.

All the reasons i won't pay for it.

Or even download it.

Or even bother the neighbors with it!

Kares said:

The artwork of these singles is okay – far from being great, but we've seen worse from P. And these are just online singles, so no big deal..The major issue here is the total lack of transparency, the lack of any info. My main concern will always be the MUSIC, so to me the biggest problem here is that AASTN was edited. Why? And what is the original playing time of the master? Will we get to hear the entire song? When? And who are the musicians involved? Why can't we see a photo of the tape box too?

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The fact that they have also managed to f*ck up the distribution by accidentally sending out a mono copy is just laughable (and sad), but the main issue is the lack of transparency. That is insulting to this fanbase that does know a few things about the vault – and fans constantly having to correct the people in charge of the estate should not be the norm.
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- Agree completely. And you are right. Unfortunately, Prince didnt always have a great taste for visual arts and sometimes didn´t hire the best professionals.

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And yes, I agree with everything you said. My main focus is the music also, and makes me upset when the Estate doesnt give us the credits and the full song in great quality. It´s not hard to have a site with info (or even in their Instagram). Prince albums used to have credits, why not online singles?

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I hope it changes in a near future. If we complain, maybe it will.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

An odd tweet from sharon nelson https://twitter.com/Sharo...4431768576

Wonder when Prince told her that, since the 1st time she stepped foot in PP was his service.

PennyPurple said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

An odd tweet from sharon nelson https://twitter.com/Sharo...4431768576

Wonder when Prince told her that, since the 1st time she stepped foot in PP was his service.

He didn't tell her anything.

It's just that she thinks that, as an heir, she's entitled to speak for him.

GustavoRibas said:

Kares said:

The artwork of these singles is okay – far from being great, but we've seen worse from P. And these are just online singles, so no big deal..The major issue here is the total lack of transparency, the lack of any info. My main concern will always be the MUSIC, so to me the biggest problem here is that AASTN was edited. Why? And what is the original playing time of the master? Will we get to hear the entire song? When? And who are the musicians involved? Why can't we see a photo of the tape box too?

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The fact that they have also managed to f*ck up the distribution by accidentally sending out a mono copy is just laughable (and sad), but the main issue is the lack of transparency. That is insulting to this fanbase that does know a few things about the vault – and fans constantly having to correct the people in charge of the estate should not be the norm.
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- Agree completely. And you are right. Unfortunately, Prince didnt always have a great taste for visual arts and sometimes didn´t hire the best professionals.

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And yes, I agree with everything you said. My main focus is the music also, and makes me upset when the Estate doesnt give us the credits and the full song in great quality. It´s not hard to have a site with info (or even in their Instagram). Prince albums used to have credits, why not online singles?

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I hope it changes in a near future. If we complain, maybe it will.

I also agree with all of that. The artwork is no worse than anything Prince put out. And even if it was, I wouldn't care. The music is my only concern. And I'm specifically annoyed that AASTN fades out just as the guitar is picking up.

Worst.

Bootleg.

Ever.

Well, I did just download these for $1 each . . . enjoying the last part of 7, and All A Share Together Now (did anyone ever confirm this song title is correct?) is growing on me.

They're still not great single choices, but better than nothing I guess!

bozojones said:

fredmagnus said:

On the official Twitter account, I've asked them to fix the issue but i don't get my hopes high. I don't think they'll do anything & we'll stick with the Mono mixdown.

[Edited 7/11/23 7:11am]

They claim they're willing to listen to fans who respond to them in a "civil manner" but I've seen plenty of people do just that and I doubt the estate is gonna take any of it into consideration. As always, I'd love to be proven wrong.

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Spicer fired off an insult at someone who *paid him a compliment*.

GustavoRibas said:

According to PrinceVault. com, "The song was recorded on 4 September 2006".

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*Sigh*. No, this is *according to the estate*. Read the fucking press release.