Someone created a poll asking how people feel about C&D being bad, on Prince reddit and so far 163 have voted.

40 agree with Rolling Stone Magazine

123 think Rolling Stone Magazine is crazy.

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It's an okay album.Nothing special.

"Dinner With Delores" is nice.I like the lyrics."Dig U Better Dead" is cool too.

"I Rock,Therefore I Am" is the big clunker on the album.That song is garbage.

nayroo2002 said:

'Come' + 'The Gold Experience' + 'Chaos And Disorder' + 'The Vault:Old Friends 4 Sale' =

THE DAWN

According to the people who have seen the tracklist(s) this was not it.

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It's all in Prince's marketing of the album.

He labeled them as "contractual obligation" blahblahblah, so the media and a honestly a good portion of the famzz (historically anyway) go with what he said.

"oh okay, it's a throwaway" etc., then for music press it makes it easier because they can just focus on the circumstances surrounding release in their reviews and phone-in a shuffle skim with some derisive adjectives and skip any involvement or effort in actually absorbing the release like you would a normal album.

Eventually they wise up. Look at Come. 10-15 years ago that was the buzz on Come. I avoided that album my entire teenage years it was so derided as his #1 worst work. Now the famz have wised up on it for the most part, and the media is probably following suit, so we gotta defer to the next-up "contractual obligation" step-child..


It's a solid album, honestly, maybe better in concept than actual execution, but it's solid. It clearly has a sense of purpose to it. It's got character. No where near his worst...

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paisleyparkgirl said:

https://www.rollingstone....234672895/

Prince fans on twitter are mad.

Mission accomplished.

Rolling Stone are just pathetic and sad these days trying to stay relevant. So they put out these ridiculous lists to rile up the fan bases and manufacture interaction and clicks.. and people fall for it every single time..

FunkyStrange said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

https://www.rollingstone....234672895/

Prince fans on twitter are mad.

Mission accomplished.

Rolling Stone are just pathetic and sad these days trying to stay relevant. So they put out these ridiculous lists to rile up the fan bases and manufacture interaction and clicks.. and people fall for it every single time..

To be fair, they were doing it pre-social media with their "Top 10 greatest albums of all time" consisting of 7 Beatles albums and 3 Dylan albums or whatever.

paisleyparkgirl said:

https://www.rollingstone....234672895/

Prince fans on twitter are mad.

This time I agree with RS.

Prog5000 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

https://www.rollingstone....234672895/

Prince fans on twitter are mad.

This time I agree with RS.

I disagree that Chaos and Disorder is his worst.

They should have picked Rave.

Emancipation was the real stinker that year. If we hadn't had C&D and Girl 6 to balance it out, I would have been so let down...

I disagee completely. It was a cohesive rock album (with the exception of ´Dig U better dead´ and ´I rock therefore I am´with some cool songs and a great band.

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If I had to choose a Prince album for that list it would be MPLSound (I dont even consider it an album) or one of those NPGMC releases (Chocolate Invasion, Slaughterhouse)

Yeah, MPLSound or 20Ten would be the best choice from a purely philosophic standpoint at least--Prince doing his best 80s Prince impression. Purple Rain II and III, 25 years too late.

WhisperingDandelions said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah, MPLSound or 20Ten would be the best choice from a purely philosophic standpoint at least--Prince doing his best 80s Prince impression. Purple Rain II and III, 25 years too late.

Why is it a bad thing ?

paisleyparkgirl said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah, MPLSound or 20Ten would be the best choice from a purely philosophic standpoint at least--Prince doing his best 80s Prince impression. Purple Rain II and III, 25 years too late.

Why is it a bad thing ?

...because it's diametrically opposed to everything he stood for as artist for the prior 25 years?

One of his trademark "hooks" as an artist, The artist, was giving the public a Purple Rain and then never ever giving them anything like it ever again, going everywhere else he could go, no matter how much both his label and the mainstream would have gleefully basked in more of the same. It's why following up that album with Around the World in a Day is the most defining moment of his career, and why MPLSound and 20Ten are forever The Bleh Experience.

LoveGalore said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah, MPLSound or 20Ten would be the best choice from a purely philosophic standpoint at least--Prince doing his best 80s Prince impression. Purple Rain II and III, 25 years too late.

Oh hell yeah, those are definitely the sequels to PR. Lord knows PR had hella ballads and slow jams and elevator grooves.

Your asinine contrarian gimmick notwithstanding, MPLSound has 3 ballads, PR literally has 4.

WhisperingDandelions said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

Why is it a bad thing ?

...because it's diametrically opposed to everything he stood for as artist for the prior 25 years?

One of his trademark "hooks" as an artist, The artist, was giving the public a Purple Rain and then never ever giving them anything like it ever again, going everywhere else he could go, no matter how much both his label and the mainstream would have gleefully basked in more of the same. It's why following up that album with Around the World in a Day is the most defining moment of his career, and why MPLSound and 20Ten are forever The Bleh Experience.

Not sure about that, he told Larry King that he could do something similar to Purple Rain if he had the right people around him. He wasn't opposed to recreating something like that but it seems like he wasn't in a rush at the time (after 84) because he wanted to explore other avenues as an artist.

With the right promotion MPLSound or 20Ten wouldn't have been bleh.

LoveGalore said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Your asinine contrarian gimmick notwithstanding, MPLSound has 3 ballads, PR literally has 4.

Four ballads on Purple Rain, you say??? The Beautiful Ones Purple Rain Umm...

Take Me with U (this track always gets ignored, do you all apply your requisite protege shade to his solo albums too?)

Eye Would Dye 4 U

paisleyparkgirl said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

...because it's diametrically opposed to everything he stood for as artist for the prior 25 years?

One of his trademark "hooks" as an artist, The artist, was giving the public a Purple Rain and then never ever giving them anything like it ever again, going everywhere else he could go, no matter how much both his label and the mainstream would have gleefully basked in more of the same. It's why following up that album with Around the World in a Day is the most defining moment of his career, and why MPLSound and 20Ten are forever The Bleh Experience.

Not sure about that, he told Larry King that he could do something similar to Purple Rain if he had the right people around him. He wasn't opposed to recreating something like that but it seems like he wasn't in a rush at the time (after 84) because he wanted to explore other avenues as an artist.

With the right promotion MPLSound or 20Ten wouldn't have been bleh.

"could" but didn't, "could" but wouldn't, you're emphasizing my point, the exact point he was trying to make with that choice of words.

and what does promotion have to do with album quality? I don't care about whether his albums gets mainstream press or coverage, N.E.W.S. is in my top 5, and NPGMC internet obscuro era is my favorite era after the 80s pre-Batman era. The less promotion/press the better...

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WhisperingDandelions said:

LoveGalore said:

WhisperingDandelions said: Four ballads on Purple Rain, you say??? The Beautiful Ones Purple Rain Umm...

Take Me with U (this track always gets ignored, do you all apply your requisite protege shade to his solo albums too?)

Eye Would Dye 4 U

Take Me With U is absolutely, positively not a ballad.

I don't think I Would Die 4 U is either.

A ballad doesn't just mean the theme of the lyrics are romantic. A ballad means the grove / tempo are slow.

In other words, a ballad is a song couple would slow dance to. No one is slow dancing to either of those songs.

lurker316 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Take Me with U (this track always gets ignored, do you all apply your requisite protege shade to his solo albums too?)

Eye Would Dye 4 U

Take Me With U is absolutely, positively not a ballad.

I don't think I Would Die 4 U is either.

A ballad doesn't just mean the theme of the lyrics are romantic. A ballad means the grove / tempo are slow.

In other words, a ballad is a song couple would slow dance to. No one is slow dancing to either of those songs.

Yeah, those two songs are 100% not ballads.

I think Chaos and Disorder doesn't get a ton of love because it was preceded by such a long train of legendary albums. Its an album that gets lost in the shuffle. If Chaos and Disorder was released in say...2008 or something, I think it would be much more widely praised by everyone.

PurpleColossus said:

I think Chaos and Disorder doesn't get a ton of love because it was preceded by such a long train of legendary albums. Its an album that gets lost in the shuffle. If Chaos and Disorder was released in say...2008 or something, I think it would be much more widely praised by everyone.

If it were released in 2008, it'd have been a blessing compared to other stuff in that period.

But seriously folks - I think a lot of Prince fans back then took Prince's mood on as their own. He shit on the album (despite making 2 or 3 videos for it) as a "contractual obligation" and fans took on that "fuck Warner Bros" notion and pretended not to like it. It's ridiculous, but it happens.

I always thought that maybe if it were shaved down by a couple of songs or something, it could've been a bonus disk for Come or The Gold Experience. The way Upper was tacked onto Older by George Michael.

Rolling Stone has resorted to clickbait in recent years. I don't see how they're taken seriously in 2023

TrivialPursuit said:

PurpleColossus said:

I think Chaos and Disorder doesn't get a ton of love because it was preceded by such a long train of legendary albums. Its an album that gets lost in the shuffle. If Chaos and Disorder was released in say...2008 or something, I think it would be much more widely praised by everyone.

If it were released in 2008, it'd have been a blessing compared to other stuff in that period.

But seriously folks - I think a lot of Prince fans back then took Prince's mood on as their own. He shit on the album (despite making 2 or 3 videos for it) as a "contractual obligation" and fans took on that "fuck Warner Bros" notion and pretended not to like it. It's ridiculous, but it happens.

I always thought that maybe if it were shaved down by a couple of songs or something, it could've been a bonus disk for Come or The Gold Experience. The way Upper was tacked onto Older by George Michael.

That's interesting to hear about some fan perspective about the whole Prince vs Warner Bros situation at that time. A shorterned version could have worked as a bonus disk, but I guess Prince wanted it to count as an full album release, so he could move on from Warner Bros.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

If it were released in 2008, it'd have been a blessing compared to other stuff in that period.

But seriously folks - I think a lot of Prince fans back then took Prince's mood on as their own. He shit on the album (despite making 2 or 3 videos for it) as a "contractual obligation" and fans took on that "fuck Warner Bros" notion and pretended not to like it. It's ridiculous, but it happens.

I always thought that maybe if it were shaved down by a couple of songs or something, it could've been a bonus disk for Come or The Gold Experience. The way Upper was tacked onto Older by George Michael.

I think that's part of it - that people take on the attitude toward the material as presented to them. But I also think it's just not what people were looking for at that time. Most of the material on Come, Gold, and Chaos were all done together and all out there in the atmosphere in different configurations. It was a shock to see how it all shook out - I can't be the only person who was stunned that Gold didn't have three of the most ever present songs of the era: Days of Wild, Ripop, and Acknowledge Me. And then I think people were a little let down with Chaos because it was characterized as a rock record but it was missing yet more of the rockier stuff people were familiar with but hadn't been put on Come or Gold - namely, Calhoun and What's My Name (and we later discovered Da Bang was originally on the Chaos tracklist too). What it did have were a few familiar songs, some really cringey reggae instead of the reggae we wanted, more rapping that we had thought we escaped with the exit of Tony M, and yet more ultra pasteurization on music we already knew (similar to what happened to Endorphinmachine). Taken out of context and decades later, yeah Chaos can be seen in its own light and much of the missing material saw the light of day eventually. But you're sitting down listening to a record that's still missing the new classics he hyped and instead you get "Dig U Better Dead" and some (lovely, but) mellow Rosie crooning on "I Will." You wanted to hear the crunch and grind of The Undertaker on a rock record produced during the same sessions (more or less) but you're hearing a (lovely but) minimal solo on "Into the Light" (which we saw yet more of "The Holy River"). Those of us who were there and were disappointed by what we got prob do still have some lingering disappointment to some degree because we know what it coulda been.

Back then at the time I loved it cos as you say Come, Gold, C&D and even Exodus were from the same great batch.

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Thinking about it there were 4 videos made (that we know of) from C&D which goes towards dispelling the 'throwaway album' notion.

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And yes I was totally stunned and gutted at the time to not get Days Of Wild and Acknowledge Me on TGE. I watched those 2 on repeat on my VHS copy of TBE movie.

dodger07 said: