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Reply #90 posted 12/11/21 11:04pm

Vannormal

OldFriends4Sale said:

vainandy said:

I love "Paris Is Burning" but how the hell does it fit in with Paisley Park? Regardless of Prince's denial, I do believe he was gay but being gay does not connect someone to all things gay. "Paris Is Burning" was a disco/house scene as most gay clubs were. Back in my clubbing years, I can count on one hand the amount of times I heard a Prince song in a gay club. Prince was more funk/rock, a totally different sound and look from "Paris Is Burning". While Prince may have had a lot of dance moves, they weren't the type of dances seen in "Paris Is Burning" such as vogueing. Madonna is the one that brought that scene to the mainstream, not Prince.

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Paisley Park should be strictly Prince related only and nothing else. Concerts should only be from the acts he created or worked with. Films should be only the films he made. Yeah, he only made four films but if he videotaped all his concerts, hell, they could hold events around showing various concerts he performed. With all the unreleased music he has in the vault, they could hold various events playing unreleased music that hasn't been released yet to see public reaction which might give them ideas on what to release next. Kinda like back when Prince used to bring a new track and have the DJ play it at First Avenue to see how well it would do. With all the unreleased stuff, there should be plenty of material to give them ideas of Prince related events without having to resort to having events that have absolutely nothing to do with Prince simply to keep the building from being dark every night.

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When you start doing things that have nothing to do with the original theme, it leads to another, and then another....and then another. Then it continues until the original theme no longer exists. Look at MTV for example. They started with one reality show, then another, then another.....and then another.....until music videos no longer exist on MTV and it no longer serves the purpose of what it was invented for. Unrelated Prince events at Paisley Park could eventually lead to the building just being a generic venue that has nothing to do with Prince whatsoever. I bet they don't have unrelated Elvis events at Graceland.

This is perfectly stated (except I don't believe he was gay lol)

I'm sorry, but dream on tbh.

Purely from a busyness point of view, PP won't last very long if it should only be related to Prince's work and life.

May I remind you that at some point in the late eighties, it was his intention to rent out PP as a recording and filming facility. Also as another chanel of income (maybe). At least that's what happened.

And he did that for a long time too I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Honestly, to me, PP won't survive on Prince tourism alone tbh.

Maybe for the next couple of years, but still - at some point he & PP will be forgotten.

Although i'm no expert in this, I can't see why there would be more (new) Prince fans wanting to come to PP. But maybe that's my (European) point of view on all this...

We all are quite older. I don't feel like going especially to Minneapolis to visit PP even as a big Prince fan that i am.

Probably i'm not the only Prince fan thinking like this (outside fo the US).

But let's hope it still lasts for a very long time, no matter what it will be used for.

There is no disrespect towards Prince to make it profitable in a right way.

If they could make a cinema out of it, why not. As long as it doesn't become a shopping mall. lol

[Edited 12/11/21 23:19pm]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #91 posted 12/11/21 11:15pm

Vannormal

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Going off topic a bit I suppose, Paris is Burning documents this amazing group of people surviving and thriving in the late 80s early 90s and so many of them never saw the millenium. I just think back to my youth at all these (mostly people of colour, mostly gay) who were ready to change things up were obliterated by AIDS, crack and murder.

If there is one reason to see this film it is to celebrate them and to encourage the present or next generation not to get bogged in all the bad and keep going.

Exactly.
It was a very important local (black) community that paved the way for many of us, even Prince I dare to say.
See how far Rupaul took it. It is still alive today.
There should be a monument to all these extraordinary people, who were rarely accepted for who they are. 
It also shows, above all, how even very young kids who felt abandoned were able to find each other, gay or not.
This is an important documentary, on many levels.
I often heard a lot about it, but it took untill 2002 before i could see it for the first time at some local film festival.
And it made a huge positive impact on me.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #92 posted 12/11/21 11:19pm

TrivialPursuit

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andrewm7 said:

Going off topic a bit I suppose, Paris is Burning documents this amazing group of people surviving and thriving in the late 80s early 90s and so many of them never saw the millenium. I just think back to my youth at all these (mostly people of colour, mostly gay) who were ready to change things up were obliterated by AIDS, crack and murder.

If there is one reason to see this film it is to celebrate them and to encourage the present or next generation not to get bogged in all the bad and keep going.


That part.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #93 posted 12/12/21 7:41am

TruthBomb

RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE
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EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT
[Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]
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Reply #94 posted 12/12/21 8:18am

bozojones

TruthBomb said:

RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]

log off and touch grass

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Reply #95 posted 12/12/21 8:32am

kingricefan

OldFriends4Sale said:

kingricefan said:

Organized religion is nothing but a way to control you. I believe in a higher power but I don't need to go to a certain building, be with other like-minded people and listen to someone preach to make me feel closer to that higher power. I know right from wrong and practice that in my daily life- that is said higher power working thru me.

this is about Prince and Paisley Park

Religion has been brought up in other posts in this thread:

This may offend some and I want to be clear that I support social equality in every respect, but to an old radical and cynic like myself chastising the church and other religious institutions for being anti gay-marriage is a bit like criticising the KKK for their non-inclusive membership policy. The whole philosophy and ideology has become rotten at root and should be transcended, not reformed. Once you strip away the paternalistic and socially manipulative dimensions of religious faith very little remains. It's a mechanism of worldly power and nothing more. Prince was just another victim of a toxic historical discourse in my view and where he ended up in his own mind, only he can say.

Yes, he comes across pretty well in that interview and he's still talking about faith/spiritualism in terms inclusiveness and a non-judgemental God. There’s nothing there to suggest that he was a zealot or moralist at all, at that time at least (what was he, 39, 40? That's a fair chunk of life to work these things out). I stopped following Prince closely as the 90s wore on, so I'm unsure to what extent he changed and I completely missed the whole JW thing. I was always puzzled, given how independently minded he was in many other ways, why he clung to faith at all, but it was always more of an interesting curiosity than anything that bothered me as an atheist.

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Reply #96 posted 12/12/21 8:49am

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bozojones said:



TruthBomb said:


RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]

log off and touch grass



Lmfao!!!!
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Reply #97 posted 12/12/21 11:58am

TrivialPursuit

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TruthBomb said:

YOU ARE CORRECT PRINCE WOULD NOT SHOW THIS GARBAGE AT PP

P DIDNT HATE ANYONE BUT HE KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG

P WOULD NOT ENDORSE ANY OF THE WOKE GARBAGE GOING ON TODAY.


Homophobia still gone unchecked by mods. Fancy that.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #98 posted 12/12/21 12:44pm

herb4

TruthBomb said:

RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]


Right. I'll get right back on reading my Bible and polishing my gun then.

Because showing a movie at Paisley Park is another sign of some far left liberal takeover of 'merica or something. What do you care if they show a movie at PP? And what's being "woke"? Like...not hating people based on gender, sexuality or race? Not being an asshole? What I mean is, what's your problem? Maybe next you can rail on participation trophies or some such innocuous shit that doesn't effect your life in any way whatsoever beyond the imaginary attack you feel in your head.

You just sound like you're being reactionary for the sake of it.

You can still laugh at gay people and make racist jokes amongst your friends. There was a time in the early to late 80's where I caught a lot of shit for liking Prince since he was "gay", "dressed like a woman", etc. etc.

Thank god I was woke enough not to care and Prince taught me to be brave enough to like what I like and me myself.

What a weird post. Maybe try Reddit. Might be more up your alley.

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Reply #99 posted 12/12/21 12:49pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

TruthBomb said:

YOU ARE CORRECT PRINCE WOULD NOT SHOW THIS GARBAGE AT PP

P DIDNT HATE ANYONE BUT HE KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG

P WOULD NOT ENDORSE ANY OF THE WOKE GARBAGE GOING ON TODAY.


Homophobia still gone unchecked by mods. Fancy that.

Besides just one moderator here who probably has better things to do with his life, the collected intelligence of the moderator pool here is equal to that of a potato.

Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc.
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Reply #100 posted 12/12/21 1:41pm

homesquid

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TrivialPursuit said:

TruthBomb said:

YOU ARE CORRECT PRINCE WOULD NOT SHOW THIS GARBAGE AT PP

P DIDNT HATE ANYONE BUT HE KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG

P WOULD NOT ENDORSE ANY OF THE WOKE GARBAGE GOING ON TODAY.


Homophobia still gone unchecked by mods. Fancy that.

TruthBomb, please explain the "difference between right and wrong" regarding "Paris Is Burning".

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Reply #101 posted 12/12/21 1:43pm

homesquid

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TruthBomb said:

RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]

You sound just like a Trump lover. You don't deserve Prince

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Reply #102 posted 12/13/21 2:18am

Vannormal

TruthBomb said:

RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]

That sounds pretty negative and reproachful.

is it because the documentary is a positive representation of recognized often ignored minority groups?

Or don't you want non directly Prince related stuff being shown at PP ?

Bacause this is indirectly related to what Prince somehow represented, celebrated even, during his early career.

[Edited 12/13/21 2:38am]

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Reply #103 posted 12/13/21 2:28am

JorisE73

Vannormal said:

TruthBomb said:

RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]

Just, log off.


but isn't it just an act? That he pretends to be a crazed outlandish 'Righty' so his lefty/lib peers can say how outlandish all people on the right are and provide 'evidence'?

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Reply #104 posted 12/13/21 8:51am

vainandy

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Vannormal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is perfectly stated (except I don't believe he was gay lol)

I'm sorry, but dream on tbh.

Purely from a busyness point of view, PP won't last very long if it should only be related to Prince's work and life.

May I remind you that at some point in the late eighties, it was his intention to rent out PP as a recording and filming facility. Also as another chanel of income (maybe). At least that's what happened.

And he did that for a long time too I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Honestly, to me, PP won't survive on Prince tourism alone tbh.

Maybe for the next couple of years, but still - at some point he & PP will be forgotten.

Although i'm no expert in this, I can't see why there would be more (new) Prince fans wanting to come to PP. But maybe that's my (European) point of view on all this...

We all are quite older. I don't feel like going especially to Minneapolis to visit PP even as a big Prince fan that i am.

Probably i'm not the only Prince fan thinking like this (outside fo the US).

But let's hope it still lasts for a very long time, no matter what it will be used for.

There is no disrespect towards Prince to make it profitable in a right way.

If they could make a cinema out of it, why not. As long as it doesn't become a shopping mall. lol

[Edited 12/11/21 23:19pm]

I realize in the future, the appeal of both Paisley Park and Prince fades as his fans die off. They could have more Prince related events and keep it "Prince related only" for probably a decade more if they weren't so slow releasing each unreleased project. People have to be excited enough to attend some sort of event but the longer it takes for each project to be released, the more the excitement fades. Hell, they should be flooding us with material and keeping the excitement constant. I don't know why they are sitting on things and taking so long because we're not getting any younger and when we're dead, the younger generation doesn't give a hill of beans about Prince. In our lifetimes though, they should be "Princing" it up, big time. Once we're gone though, I don't care what they do.

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[Edited 12/13/21 8:51am]

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Reply #105 posted 12/13/21 9:41am

bozojones

JorisE73 said:



Vannormal said:




TruthBomb said:


RENAMING IT FROM PAISLEY PARK TO PAISLEY WOKE . . EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT [Edited 12/12/21 7:41am]

Just, log off.




but isn't it just an act? That he pretends to be a crazed outlandish 'Righty' so his lefty/lib peers can say how outlandish all people on the right are and provide 'evidence'?



why would anyone need to fake being a bigoted piece of shit for "evidence", especially on these obscure forums of all places, when bigots are proudly showing their true colors everywhere? some of y'all need help...
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Reply #106 posted 12/13/21 10:15am

KoolEaze

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vainandy said:

Vannormal said:

I'm sorry, but dream on tbh.

Purely from a busyness point of view, PP won't last very long if it should only be related to Prince's work and life.

May I remind you that at some point in the late eighties, it was his intention to rent out PP as a recording and filming facility. Also as another chanel of income (maybe). At least that's what happened.

And he did that for a long time too I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Honestly, to me, PP won't survive on Prince tourism alone tbh.

Maybe for the next couple of years, but still - at some point he & PP will be forgotten.

Although i'm no expert in this, I can't see why there would be more (new) Prince fans wanting to come to PP. But maybe that's my (European) point of view on all this...

We all are quite older. I don't feel like going especially to Minneapolis to visit PP even as a big Prince fan that i am.

Probably i'm not the only Prince fan thinking like this (outside fo the US).

But let's hope it still lasts for a very long time, no matter what it will be used for.

There is no disrespect towards Prince to make it profitable in a right way.

If they could make a cinema out of it, why not. As long as it doesn't become a shopping mall. lol

[Edited 12/11/21 23:19pm]

I realize in the future, the appeal of both Paisley Park and Prince fades as his fans die off. They could have more Prince related events and keep it "Prince related only" for probably a decade more if they weren't so slow releasing each unreleased project. People have to be excited enough to attend some sort of event but the longer it takes for each project to be released, the more the excitement fades. Hell, they should be flooding us with material and keeping the excitement constant. I don't know why they are sitting on things and taking so long because we're not getting any younger and when we're dead, the younger generation doesn't give a hill of beans about Prince. In our lifetimes though, they should be "Princing" it up, big time. Once we're gone though, I don't care what they do.

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Good points but how come Graceland is still open even though Elvis was nowhere near as prolific and everchanging as Prince was? As an old school Prince fan who´s been to Paisley numerous times I don´t feel the need to go there again but I think younger generations of fans would want to see that place, just like some of my friends who are hardcore Elvis fans (because they are into the Rockabilly subculture) travel all the way to Graceland.

And with Prince, there´s just so much more to see....vehicles, stage costumes, instruments, etc.

But sure, Elvis was far more popular among the masses than Prince was, so there´s that.

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Reply #107 posted 12/13/21 12:27pm

herb4

JorisE73 said:

Vannormal said:

Just, log off.


but isn't it just an act? That he pretends to be a crazed outlandish 'Righty' so his lefty/lib peers can say how outlandish all people on the right are and provide 'evidence'?


I think a lot of this shit started out that way. You know, like how Limbaugh, Coulter and FOX sort of found their niche by generating "outrage" dollars thru saying provocative things, similar to Howard Stern and guys like that, but most of them didn't really believe it. It just made them money.

Problem is, their listeners DO believe it and now we have generations of people raised on this crap who essentially think that being an edgelord, rude, mean asshole means you're "telling it like it is". I mean, that's all "political correctness" ever really was or is: "try not to be a dick."

I don't know why that's controversial or a bad thing to strive for just because occasionally you might think that someone is being overly sensitive about something.

What I mean is, it started out as an act but now it's a belief system.

It sucks.

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Reply #108 posted 12/13/21 12:32pm

herb4

KoolEaze said:

vainandy said:

I realize in the future, the appeal of both Paisley Park and Prince fades as his fans die off. They could have more Prince related events and keep it "Prince related only" for probably a decade more if they weren't so slow releasing each unreleased project. People have to be excited enough to attend some sort of event but the longer it takes for each project to be released, the more the excitement fades. Hell, they should be flooding us with material and keeping the excitement constant. I don't know why they are sitting on things and taking so long because we're not getting any younger and when we're dead, the younger generation doesn't give a hill of beans about Prince. In our lifetimes though, they should be "Princing" it up, big time. Once we're gone though, I don't care what they do.

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Good points but how come Graceland is still open even though Elvis was nowhere near as prolific and everchanging as Prince was? As an old school Prince fan who´s been to Paisley numerous times I don´t feel the need to go there again but I think younger generations of fans would want to see that place, just like some of my friends who are hardcore Elvis fans (because they are into the Rockabilly subculture) travel all the way to Graceland.

And with Prince, there´s just so much more to see....vehicles, stage costumes, instruments, etc.

But sure, Elvis was far more popular among the masses than Prince was, so there´s that.


Well, you kinda answered your own question there. Elvis is on the Mount Rushmore of rock and roll.

Don't get me wrong. I think Prince is far better and contributed more to music overall but Presley is like a template or a prototype. A cultural touchstone/phenomenon. Without Elvis, there is no Prince when you really think about it.

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Reply #109 posted 12/13/21 1:25pm

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KoolEaze said:

vainandy said:

I realize in the future, the appeal of both Paisley Park and Prince fades as his fans die off. They could have more Prince related events and keep it "Prince related only" for probably a decade more if they weren't so slow releasing each unreleased project. People have to be excited enough to attend some sort of event but the longer it takes for each project to be released, the more the excitement fades. Hell, they should be flooding us with material and keeping the excitement constant. I don't know why they are sitting on things and taking so long because we're not getting any younger and when we're dead, the younger generation doesn't give a hill of beans about Prince. In our lifetimes though, they should be "Princing" it up, big time. Once we're gone though, I don't care what they do.

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Good points but how come Graceland is still open even though Elvis was nowhere near as prolific and everchanging as Prince was? As an old school Prince fan who´s been to Paisley numerous times I don´t feel the need to go there again but I think younger generations of fans would want to see that place, just like some of my friends who are hardcore Elvis fans (because they are into the Rockabilly subculture) travel all the way to Graceland.

And with Prince, there´s just so much more to see....vehicles, stage costumes, instruments, etc.

But sure, Elvis was far more popular among the masses than Prince was, so there´s that.

Since Elvis's death though, he has had some of the looniest fans in the history of fans. Yeah, there are a few crazy obsessed Prince "fams" that think that every single thing that Prince ever did was great and that he was incapable of making some bullshit but they are basically simply harmless ass kissers and not crazy.....although, I have seen a few borderline cases. lol Michael Jackson fans are much more crazy but still not as crazy as Elvis fans. Elvis fans have been so crazy that they refused to believe he's really dead and think he faked his death and is living somewhere in secret in order to escape fame and his fans. Remember all the "Elvis sightings" that went on for years? I don't know though, if I had fans that were that crazy, I think I'd fake my death too. lol

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Reply #110 posted 12/13/21 5:19pm

herb4

In all fairness, we had a few conspiracy minded "Prince isn't dead" posters here for a bit,

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Reply #111 posted 12/14/21 12:33am

JorisE73

bozojones said:

JorisE73 said:


but isn't it just an act? That he pretends to be a crazed outlandish 'Righty' so his lefty/lib peers can say how outlandish all people on the right are and provide 'evidence'?

why would anyone need to fake being a bigoted piece of shit for "evidence", especially on these obscure forums of all places, when bigots are proudly showing their true colors everywhere? some of y'all need help...


I guess you're new here.

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Reply #112 posted 12/14/21 12:35am

JorisE73

herb4 said:

JorisE73 said:


but isn't it just an act? That he pretends to be a crazed outlandish 'Righty' so his lefty/lib peers can say how outlandish all people on the right are and provide 'evidence'?


I think a lot of this shit started out that way. You know, like how Limbaugh, Coulter and FOX sort of found their niche by generating "outrage" dollars thru saying provocative things, similar to Howard Stern and guys like that, but most of them didn't really believe it. It just made them money.

Problem is, their listeners DO believe it and now we have generations of people raised on this crap who essentially think that being an edgelord, rude, mean asshole means you're "telling it like it is". I mean, that's all "political correctness" ever really was or is: "try not to be a dick."

I don't know why that's controversial or a bad thing to strive for just because occasionally you might think that someone is being overly sensitive about something.

What I mean is, it started out as an act but now it's a belief system.

It sucks.



thumbs up!


I think Truthbomb just is a lib/lefty acting as a outlandish, foaming at the mouth, absurd, over the top , insane righty bigot just so other lefties on here can point to his posts and say " see how insane these people on the right are?"

I'm not into lefty/rigty politic bullshit as Americans are tho so maybe I'm just worng and he really is a outlandish, foaming at the mouth, absurd, over the top , insane righty bigot shrug

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Reply #113 posted 12/14/21 1:27am

JorisE73

vainandy said:

I love "Paris Is Burning" but how the hell does it fit in with Paisley Park? Regardless of Prince's denial, I do believe he was gay but being gay does not connect someone to all things gay. "Paris Is Burning" was a disco/house scene as most gay clubs were. Back in my clubbing years, I can count on one hand the amount of times I heard a Prince song in a gay club. Prince was more funk/rock, a totally different sound and look from "Paris Is Burning". While Prince may have had a lot of dance moves, they weren't the type of dances seen in "Paris Is Burning" such as vogueing. Madonna is the one that brought that scene to the mainstream, not Prince.

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Paisley Park should be strictly Prince related only and nothing else. Concerts should only be from the acts he created or worked with. Films should be only the films he made. Yeah, he only made four films but if he videotaped all his concerts, hell, they could hold events around showing various concerts he performed. With all the unreleased music he has in the vault, they could hold various events playing unreleased music that hasn't been released yet to see public reaction which might give them ideas on what to release next. Kinda like back when Prince used to bring a new track and have the DJ play it at First Avenue to see how well it would do. With all the unreleased stuff, there should be plenty of material to give them ideas of Prince related events without having to resort to having events that have absolutely nothing to do with Prince simply to keep the building from being dark every night.

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When you start doing things that have nothing to do with the original theme, it leads to another, and then another....and then another. Then it continues until the original theme no longer exists. Look at MTV for example. They started with one reality show, then another, then another.....and then another.....until music videos no longer exist on MTV and it no longer serves the purpose of what it was invented for. Unrelated Prince events at Paisley Park could eventually lead to the building just being a generic venue that has nothing to do with Prince whatsoever. I bet they don't have unrelated Elvis events at Graceland.


Partly agree, I also want to see (only) or more directly related to Prince things like concerts or unreleased videos or whatever.
But who says that maybe he didn't have this documentary on his VHS collection and watched it in private with who ever? Maybe Prince did like this documentary and the people running Paisley Park are just showing something thhat he maybe liked or had in his collection. Maybe it's just to show support to this scene and the people in it. Rememeber teh song Uptown?
I don't see any harm in showing this.

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Reply #114 posted 12/14/21 9:58am

OldFriends4Sal
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kingricefan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

this is about Prince and Paisley Park

Religion has been brought up in other posts in this thread:

This may offend some and I want to be clear that I support social equality in every respect, but to an old radical and cynic like myself chastising the church and other religious institutions for being anti gay-marriage is a bit like criticising the KKK for their non-inclusive membership policy. The whole philosophy and ideology has become rotten at root and should be transcended, not reformed. Once you strip away the paternalistic and socially manipulative dimensions of religious faith very little remains. It's a mechanism of worldly power and nothing more. Prince was just another victim of a toxic historical discourse in my view and where he ended up in his own mind, only he can say.

Yes, he comes across pretty well in that interview and he's still talking about faith/spiritualism in terms inclusiveness and a non-judgemental God. There’s nothing there to suggest that he was a zealot or moralist at all, at that time at least (what was he, 39, 40? That's a fair chunk of life to work these things out). I stopped following Prince closely as the 90s wore on, so I'm unsure to what extent he changed and I completely missed the whole JW thing. I was always puzzled, given how independently minded he was in many other ways, why he clung to faith at all, but it was always more of an interesting curiosity than anything that bothered me as an atheist.

[Edited 12/12/21 8:33am]

Just making blanket statements about what you believe or not is off topic. That leads to general discussion of belief or non-belief

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Reply #115 posted 12/14/21 9:59am

OldFriends4Sal
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Vannormal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is perfectly stated (except I don't believe he was gay lol)

I'm sorry, but dream on tbh.

Purely from a busyness point of view, PP won't last very long if it should only be related to Prince's work and life.

May I remind you that at some point in the late eighties, it was his intention to rent out PP as a recording and filming facility. Also as another chanel of income (maybe). At least that's what happened.

And he did that for a long time too I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Honestly, to me, PP won't survive on Prince tourism alone tbh.

Maybe for the next couple of years, but still - at some point he & PP will be forgotten.

Although i'm no expert in this, I can't see why there would be more (new) Prince fans wanting to come to PP. But maybe that's my (European) point of view on all this...

We all are quite older. I don't feel like going especially to Minneapolis to visit PP even as a big Prince fan that i am.

Probably i'm not the only Prince fan thinking like this (outside fo the US).

But let's hope it still lasts for a very long time, no matter what it will be used for.

There is no disrespect towards Prince to make it profitable in a right way.

If they could make a cinema out of it, why not. As long as it doesn't become a shopping mall. lol

[Edited 12/11/21 23:19pm]

I doubt showing Paris Is Burning is going to keep PP in business

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Reply #116 posted 12/14/21 12:40pm

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JorisE73 said:

herb4 said:


I think a lot of this shit started out that way. You know, like how Limbaugh, Coulter and FOX sort of found their niche by generating "outrage" dollars thru saying provocative things, similar to Howard Stern and guys like that, but most of them didn't really believe it. It just made them money.

Problem is, their listeners DO believe it and now we have generations of people raised on this crap who essentially think that being an edgelord, rude, mean asshole means you're "telling it like it is". I mean, that's all "political correctness" ever really was or is: "try not to be a dick."

I don't know why that's controversial or a bad thing to strive for just because occasionally you might think that someone is being overly sensitive about something.

What I mean is, it started out as an act but now it's a belief system.

It sucks.



thumbs up!


I think Truthbomb just is a lib/lefty acting as a outlandish, foaming at the mouth, absurd, over the top , insane righty bigot just so other lefties on here can point to his posts and say " see how insane these people on the right are?"

I'm not into lefty/rigty politic bullshit as Americans are tho so maybe I'm just worng and he really is a outlandish, foaming at the mouth, absurd, over the top , insane righty bigot shrug

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That's the point I was making in my last reply, I think you're underestimating just how openly unhinged these people are post-2016. And like I said, if someone was gonna go online and fake that kind of behavior to prove a point or something, they'd have a much bigger audience to do so literally anywhere but on Prince.org lol

Occam's razor makes me think that the loudmouth conservative is just a loudmouth conservative. Nothing deeper than that.

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Reply #117 posted 12/14/21 1:02pm

herb4

Didn't Prince screen movies he liked at PP like Barbarella, The Matrix and Minority Report or am I getting that confused for when he would rent out movie theaters and take the PP fans there?

Anyways, who really cares what movies they show there? Prince aint gonna complain and no one is forcing anyone to go watch it as far as I know.

Seems like a weird thing to get upset about either way.

In the grand scheme of things and at this particular moment in time, "Paisley Park Screens Film About The Origins of Modern Drag Culture" is pretty low on my list of shit to care about, let alone get outraged.

As others have pointed out, Prince himself challenged gender norms throughout his career, particularly as it relates to fashion. His Love Symbol is famously a combination of male and female signs. He wore heavy makeup, high heels, lace, frills and, for many, was an inspiration to closeted gay people and folks who didn't fit in along gender (or racial) lines.

What I'm saying is, who really gives a fuck?

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Reply #118 posted 12/15/21 12:15am

JorisE73

bozojones said:

JorisE73 said:



thumbs up!


I think Truthbomb just is a lib/lefty acting as a outlandish, foaming at the mouth, absurd, over the top , insane righty bigot just so other lefties on here can point to his posts and say " see how insane these people on the right are?"

I'm not into lefty/rigty politic bullshit as Americans are tho so maybe I'm just worng and he really is a outlandish, foaming at the mouth, absurd, over the top , insane righty bigot shrug

[Edited 12/14/21 1:13am]

That's the point I was making in my last reply, I think you're underestimating just how openly unhinged these people are post-2016. And like I said, if someone was gonna go online and fake that kind of behavior to prove a point or something, they'd have a much bigger audience to do so literally anywhere but on Prince.org lol

Occam's razor makes me think that the loudmouth conservative is just a loudmouth conservative. Nothing deeper than that.



Honestly I don't see any difference between them and the insane, outlandish and batshit crazy lefties/libs.

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Reply #119 posted 12/15/21 12:18am

JorisE73

herb4 said:

Didn't Prince screen movies he liked at PP like Barbarella, The Matrix and Minority Report or am I getting that confused for when he would rent out movie theaters and take the PP fans there?



He rented out a theatre form that.
I know he did screen Akira (or maybe the venue people did) in '89 after or before the soundcheck at one of the Japan Lovesexy shows.

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