KlyphIsBackAgain said:

JorisE73 said:

? I don't think Prince or The Estate owned/owns the Sign O The Times movie.
And I thin ka standard record contract dictates that every recording done under contract (that means released and unreleased) is owned by the record company (because they paid for the studio time)

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My point was if WB owned all concert recordings (which is what Bart said) then he wouldn't have been allowed to release the Sign O The Times movie in 87 with another company....which is what he did.... unless he bought those rights back from them in order to do it.

Also, Prince did alot of recording in his own studios with his own money. Album "sessions" in the normal sense didn't always apply to how he (and many other people) record. So, like I said, it all depends on the contract and the artist.

True, but according to Alan Leeds WB paid form Prince's studio time in his own studio.
I think neversin once here said that WB probably also owned the unreleased and Live material (he wasn't sure until Alan leeds said exactly the same on record a decade later) but when Prince got his own studio Prince didn't always give WB his recordings or the logs, so indeed it depends on the contract. But i think Prince once said that he had a standard contract and i think that means WB owns all those studio recording at least. Honestly have no idea about live recordings.

VaultCurator said:

TwiliteKid said:

Interesting to note that this is being released by Warner, not Sony. Lots of folks around here have been running with the idea that it’s all Sony’s show from now on (other than soundtracks), but it seems that’s not the case.

I guess that explains why the original version isn't on the B-side, as was the case with 'I Feel For You'. On the down side, this means that future SDEs will require co-operation from both Sony and WB. On the plus side, this does mean that if Sony doesn't want to play ball, there is nothing stopping Warner Bros from releasing compilations of unreleased songs from 78-95.

While I would certainly love for there to be Super Deluxe editions of all of Prince's albums, I don't think that's feasible (at least not in our lifetimes). There must be eras that the Estate knows it's not going to do, or that it won't get to within the next ten years. For those eras, I wish they would release compilations of vault tracks.

Those could be marketed as vault material, which has appeal in-and-of-itself. In some cases, that might be easier than marketing the re-issue of specific album, which might have a more narrow appeal. It would also avoid the necessity of remastering an ablum along with its b-sides and 12-inch singles. This was basically the approach with The Originals. I don't know that they need to tie the compliations to such a specific theme as happened in that case, but as long as they get out more material I'd be happy.

I suppose the best counter-argument for this is that it could draw resources ($ and manpower) from the albums they are interested in re-issuing in Super Deluxe format.

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love2thenines2003 said:

TwiliteKid said:

Interesting to note that this is being released by Warner, not Sony. Lots of folks around here have been running with the idea that it’s all Sony’s show from now on (other than soundtracks), but it seems that’s not the case.

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

If that is indeed the case then it begs these questions.

1. Why the 1999 SUPER DELUXE isn't available to purchase truly anymore. Like it's out of print. If WBR had exclusivity over this it would seem logical they would make it more available.

2. If WBR is the "distrbutor" of unreleased material" from that time then SONY knowing this must not have paid the estate that much to be the company that releases material. If they did pay a large sum then I truy believe they aren't getting the classic material which would undoubetedly bring in more revenue.Maybe its a WBR will relase initially then after a few years it will revery to SONY.

Also has anyone else noticed that Michael Howe seems more to me beon the WBR side of stuff. He never gets involved with the Sony releases.Seems like he is more involved with WBR.

Thoughts anyone?

jungleshot1 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

If that is indeed the case then it begs these questions.

1. Why the 1999 SUPER DELUXE isn't available to purchase truly anymore. Like it's out of print. If WBR had exclusivity over this it would seem logical they would make it more available.

2. If WBR is the "distrbutor" of unreleased material" from that time then SONY knowing this must not have paid the estate that much to be the company that releases material. If they did pay a large sum then I truy believe they aren't getting the classic material which would undoubetedly bring in more revenue.Maybe its a WBR will relase initially then after a few years it will revery to SONY.

Also has anyone else noticed that Michael Howe seems more to me beon the WBR side of stuff. He never gets involved with the Sony releases.Seems like he is more involved with WBR.

Thoughts anyone?

Howe is a WBR employee (or was).

jdcxc said:

VaultCurator said:

TwiliteKid said: I guess that explains why the original version isn't on the B-side, as was the case with 'I Feel For You'. On the down side, this means that future SDEs will require co-operation from both Sony and WB. On the plus side, this does mean that if Sony doesn't want to play ball, there is nothing stopping Warner Bros from releasing compilations of unreleased songs from 78-95.

Anyone know why WB didnt buy these future rights? Cheap bastards.

Yeah pretty slick of them.I guess they knew didn't want to pay for certain time periods. Cheap.I hope the estate every time they work with WBR gets a hefty UPFRONT payment from them everytime they release new material.

BartVanHemelen said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

1) FACT: The deal involving the unreleased material was made while Prince was alive. It was part of the deal for Prince getting his master's back. Purple Rain Deluxe was also a part of this deal.

2) ASSUMPTION: After Prince died WB probably looked at what would ultimately be profitable for them and what would not. Having the rights to unreleased stuff from his peak years and his soundtrack albums (namely Purple Rain) IMO is way more profitable than the post '95 material. And they would still benefit/profit from any peak period albums that required unreleased material.

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Your fact isn't a fact, it is standard operating procedure. Warners has always owned every recording Prince made while he was under contract with them, including concert recordings etc. (Alan Leeds has mentioned this ages ago, for one.) It has nothing to do with the 2014 deal.

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WRT point 2: Warners had likely no say in that decision, other than blocking the records connected to movies they own. Sony wanting the rights to the true classics makes sense, they weren't going to pay millions for all those post-WBR records nobody cares about.

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And again, for the thousandth time: Sony being the exclusive dealer of most of the classic era instead of WBR only applies to the USA. WBR has the rights in the rest of the world.

Bart,

Why the 1000th time? Why not the 1999th time?(lol) Seriously why isn't the 1999 SUPER DELUXE not readily available then?

jungleshot1 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

If that is indeed the case then it begs these questions.

1. Why the 1999 SUPER DELUXE isn't available to purchase truly anymore. Like it's out of print. If WBR had exclusivity over this it would seem logical they would make it more available.

2. If WBR is the "distrbutor" of unreleased material" from that time then SONY knowing this must not have paid the estate that much to be the company that releases material. If they did pay a large sum then I truy believe they aren't getting the classic material which would undoubetedly bring in more revenue.Maybe its a WBR will relase initially then after a few years it will revery to SONY.

Also has anyone else noticed that Michael Howe seems more to me beon the WBR side of stuff. He never gets involved with the Sony releases.Seems like he is more involved with WBR.

Thoughts anyone?

It's still available on streaming and download services, so it's not out of print - box sets are usually just pressed once because the individual pieces are so expensive to produce (and subsequent runs would likely be smaller and therefore even pricier).

jungleshot1 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

If that is indeed the case then it begs these questions.

1. Why the 1999 SUPER DELUXE isn't available to purchase truly anymore. Like it's out of print. If WBR had exclusivity over this it would seem logical they would make it more available.

2. If WBR is the "distrbutor" of unreleased material" from that time then SONY knowing this must not have paid the estate that much to be the company that releases material. If they did pay a large sum then I truy believe they aren't getting the classic material which would undoubetedly bring in more revenue.Maybe its a WBR will relase initially then after a few years it will revery to SONY.

Also has anyone else noticed that Michael Howe seems more to me beon the WBR side of stuff. He never gets involved with the Sony releases.Seems like he is more involved with WBR.

Thoughts anyone?

The most likely reason why WBR doesn't manufacture more physical copies of 1999 SDE is that they don't think those additional sets will sell. I'm sure they're analyzing the sales figures and have come to a sound business decision.

Sales were strong when 1999 SDE was first released, but those sales naturally diminished over time. That happens with most records. And with something like this (where it's mostly hardcore fans purchasing the physical copies), you can expect that pattern to be even stronger (because hardcore fans are impatient and buy these items the week they're released).

Keep in mind that costs money to manufature physical sets. Because of economies of scale, the smaller the run, the higher the per-unit cost. My point being, even if WBR thinks they might be able to sell another 1,000 copies of the vinyl or CDs, that might not be enough to profit.

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Be a nice release, but too little and not enough

Sounds great! Interesting to hear with a drum machine. Love the sweeping synths as well.

[Edited 10/14/21 8:12am]

Pre-orders are available now. Got mine placed! Yay!

TwiliteKid said:

jungleshot1 said:

If that is indeed the case then it begs these questions.

1. Why the 1999 SUPER DELUXE isn't available to purchase truly anymore. Like it's out of print. If WBR had exclusivity over this it would seem logical they would make it more available.

2. If WBR is the "distrbutor" of unreleased material" from that time then SONY knowing this must not have paid the estate that much to be the company that releases material. If they did pay a large sum then I truy believe they aren't getting the classic material which would undoubetedly bring in more revenue.Maybe its a WBR will relase initially then after a few years it will revery to SONY.

Also has anyone else noticed that Michael Howe seems more to me beon the WBR side of stuff. He never gets involved with the Sony releases.Seems like he is more involved with WBR.

Thoughts anyone?

It's still available on streaming and download services, so it's not out of print - box sets are usually just pressed once because the individual pieces are so expensive to produce (and subsequent runs would likely be smaller and therefore even pricier).

Great point by then why is SIGN O THE TIMES super deluxe STILL available to purchase on say AMAZON(a lot more packaging) but 1999 SDE has vanished. Is it simply that they learned their lesson last time about initial pressings to make more?

Now this is something to be excited about! Can't wait to hear it!

jraw said:

Pre-orders are available now. Got mine placed! Yay!

Same here !! ordered tape and vinyl!

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Sounds great! Interesting to hear with a drum machine. Love the sweeping synths as well.

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Where?

Update: Found it! https://www.youtube.com/w...0&t=6s

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Just seen it on Apple Music, gonna blast this in the car, very shortly.

Shame there's no physical format that I can play, the estate just seems to not like my money.

Wow, I'm crying listening to it

What a great way to begin the day

Matthaus said:

Man this demo brings it home!!! I still remember being a teen listening to this track with my girl back in high school! You had to be a bad mf to even put this on back in the day! Damn I miss Prince and those days!!!

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

JorisE73 said:

? I don't think Prince or The Estate owned/owns the Sign O The Times movie.
And I thin ka standard record contract dictates that every recording done under contract (that means released and unreleased) is owned by the record company (because they paid for the studio time)

[Edited 10/14/21 7:18am]

My point was if WB owned all concert recordings (which is what Bart said) then he wouldn't have been allowed to release the Sign O The Times movie in 87 with another company....which is what he did.... unless he bought those rights back from them in order to do it.

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Sigh... Does everything need to be spoonfed? THEY MADE A DEAL. Warners didn't want to distribute the movie, so Prince was allowed to shop it around.

choked up a little by verse 2... awesome version....

https://www.xsnoize.com/d...rsy-album/

Has Andre C piped up yet.....!!!!

wow, really amazing to here.

it's so interesting to here the ideas are there and than later he changed to whole vibe of songs for the better.