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Astasheiks

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Did Prince ever do any Shows in Africa?

Just wondering, hhhhmmm? Wondering what the reception would be with some Purple Tributes over there. biggrin cool razz lol

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Reply #1 posted 08/24/21 9:56am

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No. No money to be made there and no fan base. I only visited East Africa and I heard reggae, hip hop and of course African music. The only time I heard Prince was in a tourist disco.
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Reply #2 posted 08/24/21 10:24am

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Tourist Disco where?

You say No Money???

Yeah, Africa as a whole is considered a poor Continent I suppose. However, Interesting the Richest Black person in The World is in Africa. Maybe I could play for his peeps and some these other Rich Black Folks on the Continent of Africa haha lol razz lol

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According to the 2021 Forbes ranking of the world's billionaires,

Nigerian business magnate Aliko Dangote had a net worth of $11.5 billion and was the world's richest black man.[1]

Other black billionaires on the 2021 Forbes list included Nigerian businessman Mike Adenuga with $6.1 billion,

American investor Robert Smith with $6 billion,

American businessman David Steward with $3.7 billion,

American media mogul Oprah Winfrey with $2.7 billion,

South African gold magnate Patrice Motsepe with $2.9 billion,

American sports executive Michael Jordan with $1.6 billion,

Jamaican-Canadian businessman Michael Lee-Chin with $1.6 billion,

Nigerian businessman Abdul Samad Rabiu with $1.6 billion,

American rapper Jay-Z with $1.4 billion,

American rapper Kanye West with $1.8 billion,[2]

Nigerian businesswoman Folorunsho Alakija with $1.1 billion,

Mo Ibrahim of the United Kingdom with $1.1 billion, and American media mogul Tyler Perry with $1 billion.[3]

From 2001 to 2003, Forbes listed American television network executive Bob Johnson as a billionaire,[4] but dropped him after his fortune was split in his divorce.[5] He returned to Forbes Billionaire list in 2007 with a net worth of $1.1 billion. In 2008 Johnson's wealth dropped again, this time to approximately $1.0 billion[6] and by 2009 he fell off the list again. Nigerian petroleum executive Femi Otedola briefly emerged as a billionaire in 2009, but did not remain one in subsequent years. He returned to the list in the company of a fellow Nigerian, sugar tycoon Abdul Samad Rabiu, in 2016, but both were dropped from the rankings the following year.[7]

Multiracial billionaires with significant black ancestry have been identified over the years. Saudi Arabian billionaire Mohammed Al Amoudi, of Hadhrami Yemeni and Ethiopian descent, has been on the Forbes billionaire list since 2002 and in 2012 had a net worth of $12.5 billion.[8] Michael Lee-Chin of Canada, who is Jamaican of Chinese and Black ancestry, was on the list from 2001 to 2010 but dropped off in 2011.[9] Isabel Dos Santos is of both Angolan and Russian ancestry. Alexander Karp, Co-Founder and CEO of Palantir Technologies has an African-American mother.[10]

Of all the above-mentioned billionaires identified by Forbes, only Oprah Winfrey qualified for Forbes 2009's list of the world's 20 most powerful billionaires, a list which considered not only wealth, but also market sway and political clout. Winfrey was considered especially powerful because of her influence on American consumer choices and her pivotal role in Barack Obama's successful 2008 U.S. presidential campaign.[11]..

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Reply #3 posted 08/24/21 10:28am

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And was any of them a Prince fan? I never said all Africans are poor, I said he didn't have a fan base there. Anyway, the answer to your question is still no.
The disco was part of the Carnivore restaurant in Nairobi.
[Edited 8/24/21 10:30am]
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Reply #4 posted 08/24/21 10:46am

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What mainstream pop star "tours" there? I ask because there's complaints about Beyonce not touring there yet she does have a large fanbase there. Well she went to at least one city in one country once, iirc.
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Reply #5 posted 08/24/21 11:18am

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SantanaMaitreya said:

And was any of them a Prince fan? I never said all Africans are poor, I said he didn't have a fan base there. Anyway, the answer to your question is still no. The disco was part of the Carnivore restaurant in Nairobi. [Edited 8/24/21 10:30am]

I wasn't saying you were. I was thinking in general terms when Americans think of Africa or whats shown of Africa.

But to this: "Anyway, the answer to your question is still no."

You probably right No Prince fans there. hhhhmmm, But I may try it anyway. See if I could stir up some interest. lol haha lol prince eye beret wildsign crysball

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Reply #6 posted 08/24/21 11:48am

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Didn't he do a private show in Dubai once???

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Reply #7 posted 08/24/21 11:56am

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Yes, but Dubai is in Asia.
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Reply #8 posted 08/24/21 12:17pm

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True That. But thanks for bringing that up Soladeo1. I want to go back and check his Set List for that show. smile

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Reply #9 posted 08/24/21 12:51pm

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Astasheiks said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

And was any of them a Prince fan? I never said all Africans are poor, I said he didn't have a fan base there. Anyway, the answer to your question is still no. The disco was part of the Carnivore restaurant in Nairobi. [Edited 8/24/21 10:30am]

I wasn't saying you were. I was thinking in general terms when Americans think of Africa or whats shown of Africa.

But to this: "Anyway, the answer to your question is still no."

You probably right No Prince fans there. hhhhmmm, But I may try it anyway. See if I could stir up some interest. lol haha lol prince eye beret wildsign crysball

I've lived in several developping countries and there's a reason Western stars don't tour there much (Prince only did a handful of shows in Latin America in 1991, and that's pretty much it IIRC). Regardless of how much of a fan base there is (and it's true that many countries aren't that interested in Western stars, but I honestly don't know about African countries) and of how many millionaires live there (it's irrelevent if most of the population is poor), the bulk of the population simply cannot afford the ticket price.

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Just imagine you have to fill a venue of 10,000, at $100 a ticket (it's not always that much, but that's what I had to pay the last 2 times I booked a Prince ticket, but anyway it's the same even with $50): you need 10,000 people who have that kind of money to spare for superfluous entertainment.

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In a country where most people make very little money and struggle for basic needs, you won't find 10,000 souls willing and able to spend that much money for a 2 hours event. If someone makes 150 bucks a month (if not less: https://www.worlddata.inf...come.php), they simply cannot buy a 50/100 bucks ticket (let alone 2 for a couple!).

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The whole touring business model isn't applicable there unless you drastically reduce costs (and income) for the artist, and I guess it's not that easy. It works fine with movies: theatres don't charge a ticket the same price in India than in UK, but I guess it's not too possible with a live tour.

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Reply #10 posted 08/24/21 2:51pm

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Understand... beret

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Reply #11 posted 08/24/21 3:35pm

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Ofc there is money to be made there
But it would have been culturally important to do it
If James brown could do it..


But he wasmt interested in touring outside the usual spots
He barely even played south America, never mind Africa
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Reply #12 posted 08/24/21 4:29pm

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You are problably thinking a 'collective Blackness' which Africa does not have.
They are Nigerian, Ethiopian, Congolese, Kenyan, Ghanian etc their principles are different, cultural morals and traditions are different etc So it's hard to say what they choose to listen to or not

Astasheiks said:

Tourist Disco where?

You say No Money???

Yeah, Africa as a whole is considered a poor Continent I suppose. However, Interesting the Richest Black person in The World is in Africa. Maybe I could play for his peeps and some these other Rich Black Folks on the Continent of Africa haha lol razz lol

"Black billionaires are individuals who have brown to dark brown skin with a net worth of at least US$1 billion.

According to the 2021 Forbes ranking of the world's billionaires,

Nigerian business magnate Aliko Dangote had a net worth of $11.5 billion and was the world's richest black man.[1]

Other black billionaires on the 2021 Forbes list included Nigerian businessman Mike Adenuga with $6.1 billion,

American investor Robert Smith with $6 billion,

American businessman David Steward with $3.7 billion,

American media mogul Oprah Winfrey with $2.7 billion,

South African gold magnate Patrice Motsepe with $2.9 billion,

American sports executive Michael Jordan with $1.6 billion,

Jamaican-Canadian businessman Michael Lee-Chin with $1.6 billion,

Nigerian businessman Abdul Samad Rabiu with $1.6 billion,

American rapper Jay-Z with $1.4 billion,

American rapper Kanye West with $1.8 billion,[2]

Nigerian businesswoman Folorunsho Alakija with $1.1 billion,

Mo Ibrahim of the United Kingdom with $1.1 billion, and American media mogul Tyler Perry with $1 billion.[3]

From 2001 to 2003, Forbes listed American television network executive Bob Johnson as a billionaire,[4] but dropped him after his fortune was split in his divorce.[5] He returned to Forbes Billionaire list in 2007 with a net worth of $1.1 billion. In 2008 Johnson's wealth dropped again, this time to approximately $1.0 billion[6] and by 2009 he fell off the list again. Nigerian petroleum executive Femi Otedola briefly emerged as a billionaire in 2009, but did not remain one in subsequent years. He returned to the list in the company of a fellow Nigerian, sugar tycoon Abdul Samad Rabiu, in 2016, but both were dropped from the rankings the following year.[7]

Multiracial billionaires with significant black ancestry have been identified over the years. Saudi Arabian billionaire Mohammed Al Amoudi, of Hadhrami Yemeni and Ethiopian descent, has been on the Forbes billionaire list since 2002 and in 2012 had a net worth of $12.5 billion.[8] Michael Lee-Chin of Canada, who is Jamaican of Chinese and Black ancestry, was on the list from 2001 to 2010 but dropped off in 2011.[9] Isabel Dos Santos is of both Angolan and Russian ancestry. Alexander Karp, Co-Founder and CEO of Palantir Technologies has an African-American mother.[10]

Of all the above-mentioned billionaires identified by Forbes, only Oprah Winfrey qualified for Forbes 2009's list of the world's 20 most powerful billionaires, a list which considered not only wealth, but also market sway and political clout. Winfrey was considered especially powerful because of her influence on American consumer choices and her pivotal role in Barack Obama's successful 2008 U.S. presidential campaign.[11]..

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soladeo1 said:

Didn't he do a private show in Dubai once???

yeah that is Middle Eastern culture and he was in love with Middle Eastern culture

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OldFriends4Sale said:

soladeo1 said:

Didn't he do a private show in Dubai once???

yeah that is Middle Eastern culture and he was in love with Middle Eastern culture

And United Arab Emirates is a filthy rich country, and it was apparently in a club - so for a very small, very rich elite -, and Prince probably did it for free anyway, since it was for an international charity campaign about autism.

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Ofc there is money to be made there But it would have been culturally important to do it If James brown could do it.. But he wasmt interested in touring outside the usual spots He barely even played south America, never mind Africa

Some, I'm sure, but it really depends on the countries and what you deem "making money".

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To give you an example, when I lived in India, many local, middle class people I knew who had degrees and jobs such as teacher or CGI artist would get about 300 bucks a month at most.

India is a mighty big country, and part of its population is exposed to western culture, so why couldn't you get 10,000 people in a cosmopolitan city like Mumbai that holds 12 million souls (+ people from other parts of the country who may wish to come)? Because these 10,000 rich people are there, but in the West, most concert audiences are middle class, not the elite. You don't have a mass entertainment economic model based only on the upper class.

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Then again, what was "making money" for Prince? I don't think it had anything to do with what it is for you and me. I've read that he would make up to 1 million dollars a show. Would he accept to travel across the world and play for 50,000 dollars? Prince wasn't known for his modest lifestyle.

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Now, culturally, that's something else. It certainly makes sense to some artists, but it doesn't seem to have been something P was ever interested in doing. That said, he apparently was very much local even when it comes to charity. He didn't seem to be very much connected to the non Western world save his short-lived interest in Middle East imagery. His music itself hardly ever reflected any non-Western influence.

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Has Prince ever done a concert in Africa? https://prince.org/msg/7/417175

Prince-Did he eva tour or visit The Arab World or Africa??? https://prince.org/msg/7/21226

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Has Prince ever done a concert in Africa? https://prince.org/msg/7/417175

Prince-Did he eva tour or visit The Arab World or Africa??? https://prince.org/msg/7/21226

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Reply #18 posted 08/27/21 5:30am

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MJ did numerous concerts in South Africa.

Since he sold two millions albums there as of 2009, of course there were money to be made.

The album Purple Rain was #1 in Zimbabwe in december of 1984.

There was also a Purple Rain Protest against the apartheid in 1989 in South Africa : https://en.wikipedia.org/...in_protest

With actual purple rain thrown by cannon water (!).
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onlyforaminute said:

What mainstream pop star "tours" there? I ask because there's complaints about Beyonce not touring there yet she does have a large fanbase there. Well she went to at least one city in one country once, iirc.

Beyonce did a concert in Ethiopia.

I grew up on the continent and didnt get into Prince until I moved here.

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Reply #20 posted 08/29/21 5:45pm

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Did he ever go there with Andy allo ?
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AZStreet said:



onlyforaminute said:


What mainstream pop star "tours" there? I ask because there's complaints about Beyonce not touring there yet she does have a large fanbase there. Well she went to at least one city in one country once, iirc.



Beyonce did a concert in Ethiopia.



I grew up on the continent and didnt get into Prince until I moved here.


Ah ok. I assumed SA. It would probably take years to tour the continent just on sheer size.
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RODSERLING said:

MJ did numerous concerts in South Africa. Since he sold two millions albums there as of 2009, of course there were money to be made. The album Purple Rain was #1 in Zimbabwe in december of 1984. There was also a Purple Rain Protest against the apartheid in 1989 in South Africa : https://en.wikipedia.org/...in_protest With actual purple rain thrown by cannon water (!).

"The album Purple Rain was #1 in Zimbabwe in december of 1984."

Really, Wow! cool biggrin

How did you find such stuff??? confused biggrin

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Reply #23 posted 09/02/21 3:12pm

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Michael Jackson would tour places even if he lost money. He was "building his brand globally" before that was a thing.

There is a huge heavy metal scene in Botswana in Southern Africa... I heard they liked Prince and Jimi Hendrix too. Here are some links with articles and pictures.

1)https://edition.cnn.com/2...index.html

2) https://www.huckmag.com/a...l-culture/

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Reply #24 posted 09/03/21 2:50am

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I've lived in Botswana for a decade or so, formally in London so was a bit spoilt for entertainment and culture. I am sure Prince could have played pretty decent sized venues in SA, maybe not the big stadiums but certainly arenas.

There is plenty of money in this region to support tours, but for the most part it requires travelling to SA. We get the odd minor/ageing celeb coming through Gaborone - UB40, Billy Ocean, Joss Stone have passed through in recent years.

I've seen these metal cowboy guys around, not for a few years now though. Apparently there was a big hard rock follwoing here a while back - seems to resonate with mid 40s and older. AC/DC and Led Zep in particular. Was once suprised to get a lift from a Motswana mate to find he was playing PJ Harvey and was a massive fan.

Think one would find the younger generation will mainly listen to shite sickly RnB for the most part as that is what the radio stations focus on from outside the region.

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Reply #25 posted 09/03/21 8:36am

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I visited South Africa in 2019, just before the current Covid pandemic. SA is a VERY westernized country. Michael Jackson, John Legend, Kanye West and several others have all played there. Prince could have definately done shows there.

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If you read "Prince the Purple Rain Era Studio sessions" by Duane Tudahl it showed that Prince did not enjoy staying on the road for long periods. He preferred to hit major markets in a short period of time and then move onto the next album project. To do the extended World tour , staying on the road for two years...that wasn't him.

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I've lived in Botswana for a decade or so, formally in London so was a bit spoilt for entertainment and culture. I am sure Prince could have played pretty decent sized venues in SA, maybe not the big stadiums but certainly arenas.

There is plenty of money in this region to support tours, but for the most part it requires travelling to SA. We get the odd minor/ageing celeb coming through Gaborone - UB40, Billy Ocean, Joss Stone have passed through in recent years.

I've seen these metal cowboy guys around, not for a few years now though. Apparently there was a big hard rock follwoing here a while back - seems to resonate with mid 40s and older. AC/DC and Led Zep in particular. Was once suprised to get a lift from a Motswana mate to find he was playing PJ Harvey and was a massive fan.

Think one would find the younger generation will mainly listen to shite sickly RnB for the most part as that is what the radio stations focus on from outside the region.

Thanks for the information! I may try my Prince Tribute over there. smile

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Reply #27 posted 09/04/21 6:10am

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Did he ever go there with Andy allo ?

..to bang...?
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Reply #28 posted 09/04/21 12:20pm

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Listening to african music, seeing landcapes, amd living in Africa for a while on tour, would have inspired him I think.
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Reply #29 posted 09/04/21 1:08pm

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Listening to african music, seeing landcapes, amd living in Africa for a while on tour, would have inspired him I think.

Most definitely.

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