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Reply #30 posted 06/03/21 4:22am

Vannormal

yeahthat

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #31 posted 06/03/21 4:22am

andrewm7

Vannormal said:

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Concentrate on that bass !

I mean, it's soooo melodic, rich and (too) soft in the mix.

Wonder who the song is about...

Really a great radio tune for the summer.

And what 's that lyric...

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Help me out folks...

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Born 2 Die (2x)

Oooh

Born 2 Die (2x)

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She Sells every thing

A to Z

Anything just 2 keep ... free,

from the, fromthe gustle of the streets

Ooh Oh!

She left the church a long time ago

said they couldn't ditch what they did not know

(Love Me)

That's when she lost her, verginity

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Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)

from New York to LA

Ask her why she do that thing

She said it's always been that way

Jump & Jack U must B next

If try to cut minors (?) skin

(for the deal daddy)

Ask her what 2 do then

This is what she say

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Born 2 Die (2x)

If U ain't lovin' right, U know 2

Born 2 Die

Better watch out, she get- she getcha

So High So High,

You know everybody's gettin'

So Hiiiiiigh,

(I gotta get my hustle on)

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2 run 6 streets in Oakland

................ bay

Why she concerned ............

As the 1 she saved from the 1st day

What she .......... Back 2 the truth

............................................ (...go astray)

Ask her what the deal did

(what's the deal daddy)

This is what she'll say

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Born 2 Die (2x)

If u ain't livin'right, you sure 2

Born 2 Die (She getcha), Look out,

Getcha getcha, Getcha getcha

(She getcha) So High, So High

I said nothing could happen after midnight

Getcha getcha, So high

...........

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Yeah. Oooooh

..........

Getcha getcha, Ooooh

So, Soooo high (So high)

So, Soooo high (So)

So, Soooo high (owowow)

Hiiiiiiiigh !

Getcha getcha, So High so High

Getcha getcha, so high,

Getcha getcha, so high so high,

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(break)

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Born 2 Die (3x)

(+conversation)

"Hey What happened ? .....

...................

...................

She's Ill, She's Ill."

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[Edited 6/3/21 2:49am]

This is the best I can come up with

Born 2 Die (2x)

Oooh

Born 2 Die (2x)

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She Sells every thing

A to Z

Anything just 2 keep her free,

from the, from the hustle of the streets

Ooh Oh!

She left the church a long time ago

said they couldn't teach what they did not know

(Love Me)

That's when she lost her, virginity

-

Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)(bottle?)

from New York to LA

Ask her why she do that thing

She said it's always been that way

Jump back Jack U (or) you might be next

If try to cut mamma`s cake

(for the deal daddy)

Ask her what her deal is then

This is what she say

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Born 2 Die (2x)

If U ain't livin' right, U know 2

Born 2 Die

Better watch out, she get- she getcha

So High So High,

You know everybody's gettin'

So Hiiiiiigh,

(I gotta get my hustle on)

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2 run 6 streets in Oakland

then down into Frisco bay

As far as she`s concerned crime does pay

Ak her when,she`ll say "from the 1st day"

What she really needs is to get Back 2 the truth

before we go astray

Ask her what the deal is

(what's the deal daddy)

This is what she'll say

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Born 2 Die (2x)

If u ain't livin'right, you sure 2

Born 2 Die (She getcha), Look out,

Getcha getcha, Getcha getcha

(She getcha) So High, So High

I said nothing good happens after midnight

Getcha getcha, So high

bye bye

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Yeah. Oooooh

..........

Getcha getcha, Ooooh

So, Soooo high (So high)

So, Soooo high (So)

So, Soooo high (owowow)

Hiiiiiiiigh !

Getcha getcha, So High so High

Getcha getcha, so high,

Getcha getcha, so high so high,

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(break)

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Born 2 Die (3x)

(+conversation)

"Hey What happened ?

Girl, She fell from the third story window.

No!

Yes

You know,

What?

I think she`s gone,

they are putting her on the gurney right now.

Oh no!I hope sh`s alright!

Does anybody know what happened?

Girl! She fell!


She's Ill.

Kind of an interesting blend of genres here;

Curtis Mayfield song about a ghetto dealer (as narrated by a Jehova`s witness!)

Which ends up as a kind of cautionary murder ballad.

Interesting that there seems to be a kind of grudging admiration from the narrator to the subject , even though it still comes off preachy.

lol

Only P could sing something like this, Sort of the same kid of subject as in the song "Shy" from TGE only a lot more morally confused

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[Edited 6/3/21 4:27am]

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Reply #32 posted 06/03/21 4:28am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #33 posted 06/03/21 5:45am

tomds

BartVanHemelen said:


What do you think of the song ? You like it ?
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Reply #34 posted 06/03/21 6:22am

bashraka

On what would have been Curtis Mayfield's 80th birthday, the estate releases Prince's most overt homage to the late soul musician's aesthetic. I like Prince's shout out to Oakland and "Frisco Bay"-land of the pimpin' hustle. This is Prince's version of a tunes by Curtis like "Kung Fu" and "Billy Jack". Although Prince talking about street life on this song is generic, the groove and singing is unmistakable.

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
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Reply #35 posted 06/03/21 6:25am

Milty2

I'm enjoying hearing Prince's voice singing something new-ish.

It's not new lyrical subject matter but I'll take it.

I've actually been listening to those early 70s Curtis Mayfield albums and they are great too.

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Reply #36 posted 06/03/21 6:28am

bashraka

I agree that Prince wasn't no Curtis Mayfield, although taken as a slight by Prince, is true. Curtis Mayfield was a pioneer of writing inspirational songs that spoke to the working class and lower class rungs of the Black community like "People Get Ready", "Choice Of Colors", "This Is My Country", "Keep On Pushin", especially during the Civil Rights era and segregation. Prince excels at his forte. After hearing "Born 2 Die" it only made me want to pull out the "Superfly", "Sweet Exorcist" and "Curtis Live" albums.

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Reply #37 posted 06/03/21 6:45am

alexzander

Its cool enough. Sounds like P was re-writing " Brown Sugar" a litlle bit, though.

This is what you want...This is what you get.
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Reply #38 posted 06/03/21 6:56am

Strive

andrewm7 said:

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Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)(bottle?)

It's bottle.

Cool song.

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Reply #39 posted 06/03/21 7:20am

antonb

Listened to it a couple of times, really like it. Certainly different sounding album so far to the likes of 20ten . I think this album will be a nice addition in between the gap in music around this time period
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Reply #40 posted 06/03/21 7:30am

LoveGalore

Meh. I'm pretty sure Prince knew this wasn't going to shake the foundations of anything and that's why it went unreleased. But I like consuming new Prince content so cool.
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Reply #41 posted 06/03/21 7:32am

RobotFix

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The lyrics are above average, but the song doesn't go anywhere. It's a Jazz-lite snoozefest.

Givin' up food for funk.
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Reply #42 posted 06/03/21 7:32am

lustmealways

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idk what you all were expecting. this kicks total ass. sure it's been done before, but it's a really solid song and a nice groove, certainly better than pretty much all of the shit he was releasing in 2010, come on now.

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Reply #43 posted 06/03/21 7:36am

Nasalhair

Much better than W2A but doesn't do a lot for me I'm sorry to say.

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Reply #44 posted 06/03/21 7:45am

wilmer

I would say it has more than hints of Tevin Campbell's version of Shhh.
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Reply #45 posted 06/03/21 7:51am

fredmagnus

lustmealways said:

idk what you all were expecting. this kicks total ass. sure it's been done before, but it's a really solid song and a nice groove, certainly better than pretty much all of the shit he was releasing in 2010, come on now.

Yeah, exactly. This song is FUN in a word.

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Reply #46 posted 06/03/21 7:58am

steakfinger

Curtis Mayfield for sure. Didn't Shelby or Morris say something about how someone they knew said Prince was great and all but no Curtis Mayfield? One of them (Morris H, I think), said Prince took it as a challenge. Makes sense.

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Reply #47 posted 06/03/21 8:29am

kingricefan

I like it. But I'm not going to listen to anymore single(s) releases until the album comes out. I don't want to ruin the excitement of 'new' music as there aren't many songs on this one.

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Reply #48 posted 06/03/21 8:32am

LoveGalore

lustmealways said:

idk what you all were expecting. this kicks total ass. sure it's been done before, but it's a really solid song and a nice groove, certainly better than pretty much all of the shit he was releasing in 2010, come on now.



Sincerity would be a good start, but probably too much to ask for Prince of that era.
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Reply #49 posted 06/03/21 8:48am

lustmealways

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"wahhhh this song he didn't release 10 years ago and is now being presented as an archival work by the estate isn't up to par with that stuff he did released 40 years ago. where's my masterpiece wahhhh"

come on now. i think you guys have unrealistic standards here. usually i thought the "i didn't even release my best work" shit him and others used to say was all nonsense, but stuff like this makes me reconsider, if this came out in 2011 you guys would be freaking out and don't try to deny it.

par for the course for jaded stuck in the 80s fans i guess.

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Reply #50 posted 06/03/21 8:59am

LILpoundCAKE

going off what we've heard so far W2A, B2D, SPDB, HS and parts of BM and WSC, this album seems to just ebb and flow on the same vibe with production flourishes and the female backing and talking
stringing everything together and leading from one song into the next.

Welcome 2 America -> Born 2 Die -> Same Page Different Book all share the same basic elements.

is it ground breaking? no. is it a very nice relaxed, adult vibe for prince, yes. will I enjoy it? I'm pretty sure I will cool

I just wish he would have concentrated on the lyrics a little bit more. not just with this one but with a lot of later albums. the music is always ace but the lyrics keep a lot of stuff from being VERY GOOD! instead of just 'yeah, pretty nice'.

when all is said and done (and moaned and bitched about) I'm just glad we're getting some new Prince tunes and not another 80s outtakes set. I want those too, very much so. But it's so good to get something from his later years right now. I'm pretty stoked for this album.



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Reply #51 posted 06/03/21 9:12am

LoveGalore

lustmealways said:

"wahhhh this song he didn't release 10 years ago and is now being presented as an archival work by the estate isn't up to par with that stuff he did released 40 years ago. where's my masterpiece wahhhh"

come on now. i think you guys have unrealistic standards here. usually i thought the "i didn't even release my best work" shit him and others used to say was all nonsense, but stuff like this makes me reconsider, if this came out in 2011 you guys would be freaking out and don't try to deny it.

par for the course for jaded stuck in the 80s fans i guess.



You're really trying hard to make this narrative that people who disagree with you are stuck in the 80s but that just ain't true. Let people live, ffs.
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Reply #52 posted 06/03/21 9:12am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

Is this album just a big pastiche?
This is like curtis Mayfield via 90s acid jazz and neo soul
Really not impressive.
Nice musicianship but I mean, it's wasted as its such a pastiche.
And again, these lyrics are not good.
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Reply #53 posted 06/03/21 9:13am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

LILpoundCAKE said:

going off what we've heard so far W2A, B2D, SPDB, HS and parts of BM and WSC, this album seems to just ebb and flow on the same vibe with production flourishes and the female backing and talking
stringing everything together and leading from one song into the next.

Welcome 2 America -> Born 2 Die -> Same Page Different Book all share the same basic elements.

is it ground breaking? no. is it a very nice relaxed, adult vibe for prince, yes. will I enjoy it? I'm pretty sure I will cool

I just wish he would have concentrated on the lyrics a little bit more. not just with this one but with a lot of later albums. the music is always ace but the lyrics keep a lot of stuff from being VERY GOOD! instead of just 'yeah, pretty nice'.

when all is said and done (and moaned and bitched about) I'm just glad we're getting some new Prince tunes and not another 80s outtakes set. I want those too, very much so. But it's so good to get something from his later years right now. I'm pretty stoked for this album.




Write down lyrics on a piece of paper and put the music temporarily from your mind. I think you'll find the vast majority of lyrics are overrated. A lot of the best music in history is instrumentals. And there's instrument playing described as lyrical, where no vocals are present. Most words put to music are corny as fuck.

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #54 posted 06/03/21 9:16am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

fortuneandserendipity said:



LILpoundCAKE said:


going off what we've heard so far W2A, B2D, SPDB, HS and parts of BM and WSC, this album seems to just ebb and flow on the same vibe with production flourishes and the female backing and talking
stringing everything together and leading from one song into the next.

Welcome 2 America -> Born 2 Die -> Same Page Different Book all share the same basic elements.

is it ground breaking? no. is it a very nice relaxed, adult vibe for prince, yes. will I enjoy it? I'm pretty sure I will cool

I just wish he would have concentrated on the lyrics a little bit more. not just with this one but with a lot of later albums. the music is always ace but the lyrics keep a lot of stuff from being VERY GOOD! instead of just 'yeah, pretty nice'.

when all is said and done (and moaned and bitched about) I'm just glad we're getting some new Prince tunes and not another 80s outtakes set. I want those too, very much so. But it's so good to get something from his later years right now. I'm pretty stoked for this album.






Write down lyrics on a piece of paper and put the music temporarily from your mind. I think you'll find the vast majority of lyrics are overrated. A lot of the best music in history is instrumentals. And there's instrument playing described as lyrical, where no vocals are present. Most words put to music are corny as fuck.



True but the vocals are cringeily derivative too.
A good curtis tribute is something like hendrixs have u ever been to electric ladyland.
This is just derivative.
An attempt at emulating but not too great.
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Reply #55 posted 06/03/21 9:16am

Romeoblu

I like this alot.

Sticks in my head and I keep wanting to go back and listen some more. Trying not as I want to keep the songs as fresh as possible for when the album is released.

I think W2A could be a step up from 20ten, and I like 20ten.
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Reply #56 posted 06/03/21 9:22am

Vannormal

tomds said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://prince.lnk.to/B2DsinglePR

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What do you think of the song ? You like it ?

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You will never get an sanswer. wink

That's too close.

But thankgod we have Bart.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #57 posted 06/03/21 9:29am

tomds

Vannormal said:



tomds said:


BartVanHemelen said:

https://prince.lnk.to/B2DsinglePR


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What do you think of the song ? You like it ?

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You will never get an sanswer. wink


That's too close.


But thankgod we have Bart.


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I could try smile he always sends us links and info but he never gives an opinion about new songs. Maybe he would like that someone ask for his opinion rather than bitchin' on one another.
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Reply #58 posted 06/03/21 9:37am

Vannormal

RobotFix said:

The lyrics are above average, but the song doesn't go anywhere. It's a Jazz-lite snoozefest.

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I personally like the song.

Indeed Curtis Mayfield-ish, and I also hear some Marvin in there too.

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The song starts well. Surprisingly relaxed, then meanders a bit after the second refrain,

right when the uninspiring breaks start towards the end, too much 'Getcha-Getcha, So high-So high' frazes continuing with no direction. It owuld've been better if Prince did the harmonies too.

And then that short conversation at the end.

The conversation should've been more clear throughout the breaks.

I miss a souly guitar solo in the breaks too.

Or some horns.

It kinda walks nowhere towards the end.

Then the story... (as in the title 'Mistra know it all') so it is told by Prince, hm.

OK, she went wrong in her life (who might this be ? between NY and LA?) then killed herself...

And the jehova drama-tourists at the scene blame her even.

Dear Prince, i think this is why you did not release the song.

Judgementalism got ya (hopefully).

Religion doesn't keep you from drugs.

It just replaces it.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #59 posted 06/03/21 9:55am

SantanaMaitrey
a

TrivialPursuit said:



lust said:


I’ll give it a miss. Too few new tracks on the album as it is to further dilute that brand new album experience that I’m looking forward to.


yeahthat

If half the album ends up being "preveiwed" or "debuted" somewhere, why even bother to buy it? W2A was enough (and it's basically an intro-before-the-curtain-goes-up song), so I'll mute the rest until the album ships.


I understand what you mean, but I'm still curious, so I gave it a listen and I like it. But not too often, because you still want the album to sound new. It's just like in the old days when a single became a hit and I bought the album and the hit single was the song that made me think, yeah yeah, I know this. Next!
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